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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 27, 2022 14:07:52 GMT -5
That might be true what about the future and cap if they do it fine with me, but it better work out for them this is a injury prone #2 WR at best coming off his second ACL wanting multiple years. let's wait to see the contract numbers first before we start talking about it ruining cap space. No one knows at this point. No one said ruining cap space, just a WR with a major Ankle repair and 2 ACLs going into his 10th year needs to have a reasonable ceiling to his value.
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Post by TEM on Nov 27, 2022 14:08:30 GMT -5
Leverage and facts are gray area. As it stands now, out of all 3 teams. The Giants have the most financial stability to sign him. We have 52 MM in cap space next season Dallas has 2 MM in cap space and that is with a 7.3 MM roll over from this year if not spent. The Bills have negative cap space in the 12 MM range. Today the Bills have - $320,000 in cap space for the remainder of the season Dallas and the Bills are in no position to offer him a 3 or even a 2 year deal. The Giants are the only team out of the 3 that have the money to push to next season cap to sign him Allen is a 40 MM cap hit next season 77 in dead DAK is 50MM 90 in dead Neither team has the resources to offer him a 2-year deal. No way he is taking a 6 game deal. Just my logical opinion. All fair points. I just don't see him coming to a rebuild. I get your point. At the same time when you have a shot. The GM and HC must do all that is possible to push that run.
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Post by presumablygunner on Nov 27, 2022 14:09:47 GMT -5
let's wait to see the contract numbers first before we start talking about it ruining cap space. No one knows at this point. No one said ruining cap space, just a WR with a major Ankle repair and 2 ACLs going into his 10th year needs to have a reasonable ceiling to his value. I just don't understand the cap argument. I feel like what you just said should be understood. Odell will not be getting some wild contract that will hamper a team if he doesn't work out.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 27, 2022 14:13:39 GMT -5
That might be true what about the future and cap if they do it fine with me, but it better work out for them this is a injury prone #2 WR at best coming off his second ACL wanting multiple years. That is a risk worth taking when in the playoff hunt. If we weren't. I would be against it. The goal of each season is to expand the trophy case. Agree there but this team has 2 ILBs that wouldn't Stanton almost all 32 teams and some serious depth issues. His addition most likely is gonna ad up to him shaking the rust off and getting used to his new knee for next season. If they sign him I hope they are banking on him being the catalyst for good things in the next 2 seasons, he took a year last time with Cleveland I trust they will make the right decision with this.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 27, 2022 14:18:03 GMT -5
No one said ruining cap space, just a WR with a major Ankle repair and 2 ACLs going into his 10th year needs to have a reasonable ceiling to his value. I just don't understand the cap argument. I feel like it all of what you just said should be understood. Odell will not be getting some wild contract that will hamper a team if he doesn't work out. Lets hope so. If someone makes that mistake thats on them. You get it I'm not saying he can't help just there needs to be a limit. If this does happen he might not be much help at all till next season last time he came back from an ACL he wasn't the same period and only got better near the end of the season he returned.
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Post by DandyDon on Nov 27, 2022 14:26:40 GMT -5
1. Why would he want to come to the Giants? At this point in his career he wants to chase SBs. We are nowhere close. 2. With what money are we signing him? Currently we only have a little over $3M in cap space. I guess it’s easy to get caught up in social media headlines without putting much thought into it. Agree.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 27, 2022 14:48:02 GMT -5
All I can say is this team is getting gauged. for almost 200 yards a game and that ain't because of injuries. OBJ isn't getting this team over the top another good draft or 2 will might.
If they can manage to stop the run somewhere along the way these last 6 games they might make the playoffs if not they aren't. The best move they could have made was getting Roquon Smith in here to start the rebuild of the run D
If OBJ wants to win it's Dallas or Buffalo if he love NY and wants to finish up a Giant then it's the Giants.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Nov 27, 2022 15:07:14 GMT -5
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Post by presumablygunner on Nov 27, 2022 15:26:04 GMT -5
Facts
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Post by DJones19 on Nov 27, 2022 15:29:50 GMT -5
Wow...I'm not sure if I've ever seen someone become less mature at 30 years old than they were at 20. Perhaps fame can do that to a person. ...maybe I just didn't seem him behind the scenes at 20 but I feel like I remember a humble Odell as a rookie. Looks like Odell craves attention more than winning.
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Post by presumablygunner on Nov 27, 2022 15:32:44 GMT -5
this throws a monkey-wrench into everything
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Post by thetruth on Nov 27, 2022 15:35:54 GMT -5
Look at the progression of the visits: "WR Odell Beckham Jr. to start his visit schedule this week with Giants, then Cowboys and Bills" Tell me which team is the anomaly. It could easily be seen as leverage for his side.Leverage and facts are gray area. As it stands now, out of all 3 teams. The Giants have the most financial stability to sign him. We have 52 MM in cap space next seasonDallas has 2 MM in cap space and that is with a 7.3 MM roll over from this year if not spent. The Bills have negative cap space in the 12 MM range. Today the Bills have - $320,000 in cap space for the remainder of the season Dallas and the Bills are in no position to offer him a 3 or even a 2 year deal. The Giants are the only team out of the 3 that have the money to push to next season cap to sign him Allen is a 40 MM cap hit next season 77 in dead DAK is 50MM 90 in dead Neither team has the resources to offer him a 2-year deal. No way he is taking a 6 game deal. Just my logical opinion. need to account for our own FA's (as well as a potential franchise tag) when factoring OBJ into the equation. Im real curious about what JS is thinking here
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Post by mj312 on Nov 27, 2022 15:59:23 GMT -5
I’d welcome Odell with open arms . Even with 2 ACL surgeries he’s better than anyone on our roster and it’s not even close ..
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Post by mendy on Nov 27, 2022 16:04:37 GMT -5
He is not signing with the Giants, he knows the value of PR and that is all he is doing.
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Post by mendy on Nov 27, 2022 16:07:25 GMT -5
Sadly this is not a surprise.
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Post by TEM on Nov 27, 2022 16:10:22 GMT -5
Leverage and facts are gray area. As it stands now, out of all 3 teams. The Giants have the most financial stability to sign him. We have 52 MM in cap space next seasonDallas has 2 MM in cap space and that is with a 7.3 MM roll over from this year if not spent. The Bills have negative cap space in the 12 MM range. Today the Bills have - $320,000 in cap space for the remainder of the season Dallas and the Bills are in no position to offer him a 3 or even a 2 year deal. The Giants are the only team out of the 3 that have the money to push to next season cap to sign him Allen is a 40 MM cap hit next season 77 in dead DAK is 50MM 90 in dead Neither team has the resources to offer him a 2-year deal. No way he is taking a 6 game deal. Just my logical opinion. need to account for our own FA's (as well as a potential franchise tag) when factoring OBJ into the equation. Im real curious about what JS is thinking here I agree we do need to do that. I would speculate playoff run is in his and Dabbs head. When the gift horse is in reach. The risk / reward has to be pushed to the brink. This isn't a long-term thing. This bang as hard on the drum now.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 27, 2022 16:31:41 GMT -5
Sadly this is not a surprise. no buyers remorse - hope the Giants cancel the meeting.
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Post by GameTime on Nov 27, 2022 16:36:39 GMT -5
****ing drama queen...
**** him
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Post by babybulls on Nov 27, 2022 16:48:06 GMT -5
Well, let’s hope this ends all this talk of a comeback. What an idiot.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 27, 2022 23:04:14 GMT -5
Leverage and facts are gray area. As it stands now, out of all 3 teams. The Giants have the most financial stability to sign him. We have 52 MM in cap space next seasonDallas has 2 MM in cap space and that is with a 7.3 MM roll over from this year if not spent. The Bills have negative cap space in the 12 MM range. Today the Bills have - $320,000 in cap space for the remainder of the season Dallas and the Bills are in no position to offer him a 3 or even a 2 year deal. The Giants are the only team out of the 3 that have the money to push to next season cap to sign him Allen is a 40 MM cap hit next season 77 in dead DAK is 50MM 90 in dead Neither team has the resources to offer him a 2-year deal. No way he is taking a 6 game deal. Just my logical opinion. need to account for our own FA's (as well as a potential franchise tag) when factoring OBJ into the equation. Im real curious about what JS is thinking here It is interesting. I don't think OBJ is taking Bargain basement deal, this and going into the offseason will be interesting see who's staying and who's going.
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Post by southerner on Nov 28, 2022 5:14:34 GMT -5
Hahaha…so the porcelain doll locker room cancer is now getting kicked off airplanes……the Giants will not touch this idiot.
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Post by piddy283 on Nov 28, 2022 6:41:36 GMT -5
Would love to see us cancel the meeting Thursday.
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Post by cdngfan on Nov 28, 2022 7:40:01 GMT -5
What is Odell doing? Jeez.
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Post by piddy283 on Nov 28, 2022 7:52:21 GMT -5
What is Odell doing? Jeez. He’s doing exactly what he’s always done and will continue to do. He’s doing what he can to attract attention to himself. Dude is a joke.
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Post by jaymas on Nov 28, 2022 9:23:30 GMT -5
I genuinely don't think I understand what happened on the plane.
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Post by snyder55 on Nov 28, 2022 9:36:26 GMT -5
in the words of John Madden, its all about money.... And we dont have any. How do we afford his contract unless its for a multi year deal thats backloaded so we can fit him under this years cap? I wouldnt mind it, as we are desperate for WR help, but I just dont see it happening. the solution to the WR problem should be solved in the draft IMO...
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Post by jaymas on Nov 28, 2022 9:57:28 GMT -5
I genuinely don't think I understand what happened on the plane. No one does right now. It’s just emotion fed reactions to a tweet and video. Okay, that's what I thought. Definitely going to hold judgment on this one as regardless of what anyone thinks of the guy, he's doesn't really have a history with "trouble" in the most traditional sense of the word.
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Post by jaymas on Nov 28, 2022 9:58:23 GMT -5
And we dont have any. How do we afford his contract unless its for a multi year deal thats backloaded so we can fit him under this years cap? I wouldnt mind it, as we are desperate for WR help, but I just dont see it happening. the solution to the WR problem should be solved in the draft IMO... Don't think these are mutually exclusive things. Odell is not a "solution" to WR, he'd be part of a solution, probably for the next 2ish years (if the team felt good about signing him). Would not stop a premium pick from being used on a WR next year.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Nov 28, 2022 10:33:17 GMT -5
Just speculation, but I think the whole plane incident is an over zealous flight attendant making more out of it than it was.
My guess, he was sleeping waiting for take off, and was awoken to tell him to fasten his belt, hence the whole "in and out of consciousness".
There obviously wasn't any medical condition, and he probably got agitated when they asked him to deplane, since there wasn't anything wrong with him, and he was probably half asleep.
It isn't like he had to be dragged off and video shows him compliantly leaving.
Again, all just my guess as to what happened...guess we will find out.
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