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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 12, 2024 15:56:50 GMT -5
The salary cap has been around since 5 years after you gave up learning about fball in 1989. I suggest you start learning again to save yourself these random thoughts which make no sense Didn't sportswriter Dunleavy say the Giants have a deal to trade Jones? It's amazing how you can't even be accidentally correct just one time.
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Post by inconvenientruth on Mar 12, 2024 16:01:22 GMT -5
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Post by inconvenientruth on Mar 12, 2024 16:09:17 GMT -5
they have $7.5MM in cap space right now, but it doesn't account for the rookie allocation. That in itself will eliminate the outstanding cap space. Meaning, even if they add nothing at all, they'll still need to clear up space I suspect they will add a CB, the reason they haven't done any re-structures yet is they have time to do them. the 7.5MM cap space you're referring to was probably our cap space last week. No cap space at this moment in free agency is accurate. They have already decided on possible trades / cuts / restructures etc. so looking at that number is pointless Net of the rookie allocation, we have no 'effective' cap space. So this isn't probably, our cap space. Either it is, or it isn't. Thats how numbers work. When the organization begins re-structuring, we will find out who, and how much. I would assume at least ~$25MM between Thomas/Dex I can tell you that Daniel Jones wont be restructured, bums typically dont.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 12, 2024 16:33:27 GMT -5
We’ll see if the Curse of The Giants is still I effect or if we, lord willing, have moved past it.
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Post by inconvenientruth on Mar 12, 2024 16:35:30 GMT -5
We’ll see if the Curse of The Giants is still I effect or if we, lord willing, have moved past it. I like the strategy, but injuries are so damn unpredictable a times.
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Post by imgrate on Mar 12, 2024 16:43:15 GMT -5
We’ll see if the Curse of The Giants is still I effect or if we, lord willing, have moved past it. I like the strategy, but injuries are so damn unpredictable a times. Yea, thats why I’m weary of high cap hit contracts.. any time that dude misses a game, it’s the equivalent of 2 or 3 starters missing a game. Also, once a guy gets paid, it’s hard to keep that hunger.. it’s just human nature.. and so, maybe there were some injuries that they would play through when on a rookie contract, but not so much now that they’re set for life financially
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Post by Nick6475 on Mar 12, 2024 16:50:34 GMT -5
Giants signed vet safety Jalen Mills.
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Post by Bigjeep on Mar 12, 2024 18:13:20 GMT -5
We are back to square 1
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Post by lexington11 on Mar 12, 2024 18:18:31 GMT -5
We are back to square 1 what? Lol
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Post by jmike on Mar 12, 2024 18:39:30 GMT -5
So does anyone think that Jones will be traded, and the Giants will draft a QB with the 6th pick or move up in the draft, only to see Lock start at QB and mentor the Giants new QB? Name the NFL team that would be interested. Lay out the terms of the trade. Lay out the salary cap manipulation needed. (I know you think the salary cap doesn't exist, but it does and it's real). Maybe they could trade him to a CFL team? NFL is trying to expand influence and all; they might treat it like a trade within the NFL. And maybe we can get some decent beer back in return for fan appreciation day instead of a medium Pepsi. It's a win all around right there.
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Post by allnygin on Mar 12, 2024 18:42:53 GMT -5
I'm happy with how this offseason is going so far. I see joes vision and agree 100% with what he's focusing on.. Fix the trenches. You can't have a good football team if you aren't squared away with the trenches first. We'll see if it works, but his approcah here has been solid. High value picks on the oline and empahsis on fixing the pass rush and pass blocking. now it needs to work out.
Daniel Jones and the QB spot is a real problem. Chances are they're not getting one this draft and prospects coming out next season don't look great and also who knows where we draft. He's gotta figure out a way to get them a future QB somehow while still getting a legit weapon for the offense and continuing to build a spotty roster. Maybe a bit to much tbh. However, I think his FA approach and the trade for burns has been spot on.. I don't see the giants being a contender anytime soon, but at least we're focusing on the trenches.
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Post by DandyDon on Mar 12, 2024 19:02:01 GMT -5
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Post by DandyDon on Mar 12, 2024 19:08:29 GMT -5
I'm happy with how this offseason is going so far. I see joes vision and agree 100% with what he's focusing on.. Fix the trenches. You can't have a good football team if you aren't squared away with the trenches first. We'll see if it works, but his approcah here has been solid. High value picks on the oline and empahsis on fixing the pass rush and pass blocking. now it needs to work out. Daniel Jones and the QB spot is a real problem. Chances are they're not getting one this draft and prospects coming out next season don't look great and also who knows where we draft. He's gotta figure out a way to get them a future QB somehow while still getting a legit weapon for the offense and continuing to build a spotty roster. Maybe a bit to much tbh. However, I think his FA approach and the trade for burns has been spot on.. I don't see the giants being a contender anytime soon, but at least we're focusing on the trenches. I'm not suggesting DJ will ever be an NFL franchise QB. He never really had a chance to become one. I will say DJ is far from the biggest problem with this offense over the last five years. An offense so bad that his running yards often exceed the RB yards. An offense so bad it scored zero points in the season opener against a division rival. At this point it is what it is. Unless they suddenly fix the ol and get a #1 wr in the draft, he'll be gone next year and we'll be again trying to find a QB.
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Post by allnygin on Mar 12, 2024 19:14:26 GMT -5
I'm happy with how this offseason is going so far. I see joes vision and agree 100% with what he's focusing on.. Fix the trenches. You can't have a good football team if you aren't squared away with the trenches first. We'll see if it works, but his approcah here has been solid. High value picks on the oline and empahsis on fixing the pass rush and pass blocking. now it needs to work out. Daniel Jones and the QB spot is a real problem. Chances are they're not getting one this draft and prospects coming out next season don't look great and also who knows where we draft. He's gotta figure out a way to get them a future QB somehow while still getting a legit weapon for the offense and continuing to build a spotty roster. Maybe a bit to much tbh. However, I think his FA approach and the trade for burns has been spot on.. I don't see the giants being a contender anytime soon, but at least we're focusing on the trenches. I'm not suggesting DJ will ever be an NFL franchise QB. He never really had a chance to become one. I will say DJ is far from the biggest problem with this offense over the last five years. An offense so bad that his running yards often exceed the RB yards. An offense so bad it scored zero points in the season opener against a division rival. At this point it is what it is. Unless they suddenly fix the ol and get a #1 wr in the draft, he'll be gone next year and we'll be again trying to find a QB. I agree. I don't think Jones has been the main issue with the offense that clearly goes to the o-line and lack of dynamic players on the outside. That being said, you can't trust jones injury history even if you do like him as a qb. They haven't helped the kid thats just a fact. Not speaking for you here, but despite all of that I can't see a competent HC and FO wanting to continue building around a year 7 qb with major injury hisotyr and inconsistencies sprinkled all throughout his career as a permenant fixture.. I think they're scrambling to figure out the QB spot, but they don't have many options.
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Post by PennState1 on Mar 12, 2024 19:15:13 GMT -5
Now Isaiah McKenzie. Another smallish WR? Another kick returner?
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Post by allnygin on Mar 12, 2024 19:17:31 GMT -5
Now Isaiah McKenzie. Another smallish WR? they like these kinds of guys. I think it spells out a legit 1 at WR at pick 6.. unless a qb drops that Dabes really likes then it may be QB, but I think at this point its a WR
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Post by PennState1 on Mar 12, 2024 19:35:31 GMT -5
Lose A’Shawn Robinson
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 12, 2024 19:57:50 GMT -5
I'm happy with how this offseason is going so far. I see joes vision and agree 100% with what he's focusing on.. Fix the trenches. You can't have a good football team if you aren't squared away with the trenches first. We'll see if it works, but his approcah here has been solid. High value picks on the oline and empahsis on fixing the pass rush and pass blocking. now it needs to work out. Daniel Jones and the QB spot is a real problem. Chances are they're not getting one this draft and prospects coming out next season don't look great and also who knows where we draft. He's gotta figure out a way to get them a future QB somehow while still getting a legit weapon for the offense and continuing to build a spotty roster. Maybe a bit to much tbh. However, I think his FA approach and the trade for burns has been spot on.. I don't see the giants being a contender anytime soon, but at least we're focusing on the trenches. I'm not suggesting DJ will ever be an NFL franchise QB. He never really had a chance to become one. I will say DJ is far from the biggest problem with this offense over the last five years. An offense so bad that his running yards often exceed the RB yards. An offense so bad it scored zero points in the season opener against a division rival. At this point it is what it is. Unless they suddenly fix the ol and get a #1 wr in the draft, he'll be gone next year and we'll be again trying to find a QB. Same story as Old Eli. Jones isn’t the only problem with this offense. But he’s a big problem with it.
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Post by DandyDon on Mar 12, 2024 20:25:11 GMT -5
I'm not suggesting DJ will ever be an NFL franchise QB. He never really had a chance to become one. I will say DJ is far from the biggest problem with this offense over the last five years. An offense so bad that his running yards often exceed the RB yards. An offense so bad it scored zero points in the season opener against a division rival. At this point it is what it is. Unless they suddenly fix the ol and get a #1 wr in the draft, he'll be gone next year and we'll be again trying to find a QB. Same story as Old Eli. Jones isn’t the only problem with this offense. But he’s a big problem with it. You don't have a clue about what is important for teams. Happy you are not GM. You are seriously the worst GM candidate ever.
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Post by kingb50 on Mar 12, 2024 22:07:33 GMT -5
Same story as Old Eli. Jones isn’t the only problem with this offense. But he’s a big problem with it. You don't have a clue about what is important for teams. Happy you are not GM. You are seriously the worst GM candidate ever. Or you’re just blind. Sounds like you signed up for 10 yr rebuild . DJ was signed like he’s proved something outside of his rookie and playoff win.
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Post by Nite on Mar 12, 2024 23:37:27 GMT -5
Its like New Years Eve, X-Mas and Groundhog Day all rolled into one..
Schoen is taking names, keeping receipts, making pictures and changing the COURSE OF GIANTS HISTORY
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 13, 2024 0:10:00 GMT -5
Same story as Old Eli. Jones isn’t the only problem with this offense. But he’s a big problem with it. You don't have a clue about what is important for teams. Happy you are not GM. You are seriously the worst GM candidate ever. lol... and your emotional attachment to players is just what is needed for business. You're always angry, ill-informed, off-base and never objective. You're the perfect candidate for a GM.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 13, 2024 0:14:55 GMT -5
You don't have a clue about what is important for teams. Happy you are not GM. You are seriously the worst GM candidate ever. Or you’re just blind. Sounds like you signed up for 10 yr rebuild . DJ was signed like he’s proved something outside of his rookie and playoff win. This dude would have given Jones a 7 year extension rivaling Burrow's and then spent every draft pick on an OL in three consecutive drafts. (while continuing to make endless excuses for Jones). He's a perfect GM if you ask him.
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Post by miggs on Mar 13, 2024 7:26:02 GMT -5
The disagreement among fans about both the Giants GM and players is quite remarkable, but not surprising. Will be interesting to see how things shake out.
Except for the trade for Burns, I'm not impressed. Believe most other players are at best serviceable but not high quality players as they each have significant holes in their game.
Will need to see the role Jones plays going forward and who the Giants draft, and see the team play together, and given the dramatic changes, and departure of some key players, nows not the time to make any assessments. Have far less trust in both Schoen and Daboll then I did before last season. Learned my lesson.
The Giants will take a step backwards in certain areas and a step forward in others. Relying on a new OL coach is not likely to improve the OL significantly which is needed.
Don't sense the Giants will put a product on the field worth watching and rooting for but would be pleasantly surprised if they do. But the die hard fans here who love the Giants because they live here and love football will. To each his own.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 13, 2024 8:04:57 GMT -5
The disagreement among fans about both the Giants GM and players is quite remarkable, but not surprising. Will be interesting to see how things shake out. Except for the trade for Burns, I'm not impressed. Believe most other players are at best serviceable but not high quality players as they each have significant holes in their game. Will need to see the role Jones plays going forward and who the Giants draft, and see the team play together, and given the dramatic changes, and departure of some key players, nows not the time to make any assessments. Have far less trust in both Schoen and Daboll then I did before last season. Learned my lesson. The Giants will take a step backwards in certain areas and a step forward in others. Relying on a new OL coach is not likely to improve the OL significantly which is needed. Don't sense the Giants will put a product on the field worth watching and rooting for but would be pleasantly surprised if they do. But the die hard fans here who love the Giants because they live here and love football will. To each his own. Coming from the fan who says Banks is a bust and Hawkins has much more upside.
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Post by idkaname on Mar 13, 2024 10:09:38 GMT -5
You don't have a clue about what is important for teams. Happy you are not GM. You are seriously the worst GM candidate ever. lol... and your emotional attachment to players is just what is needed for business. You're always angry, ill-informed, off-base and never objective. You're the perfect candidate for a GM. isn't saying a player is done / can't be the guy etc an emotional attachment as well? I've seen Jones perform at a high-level on several occasions so it always leaves a possibility of putting it together consistently. Whereas most choose to give up and quit on a player because they haven't become a HOF by year 5. I'm not suggesting he is the guy or will be either but he's our QB for at least another year so if he can become consistent, that saves us a lot of resources and time to becoming contenders...you wouldn't enjoy that? A GMs job is just as much as adapting and looking ahead as it is making present decisions. Most on here are too fixated on the immediate fixes which don't exist.
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Post by inthezone on Mar 13, 2024 11:00:40 GMT -5
lol... and your emotional attachment to players is just what is needed for business. You're always angry, ill-informed, off-base and never objective. You're the perfect candidate for a GM. isn't saying a player is done / can't be the guy etc an emotional attachment as well? I've seen Jones perform at a high-level on several occasions so it always leaves a possibility of putting it together consistently. Whereas most choose to give up and quit on a player because they haven't become a HOF by year 5. I'm not suggesting he is the guy or will be either but he's our QB for at least another year so if he can become consistent, that saves us a lot of resources and time to becoming contenders...you wouldn't enjoy that? A GMs job is just as much as adapting and looking ahead as it is making present decisions. Most on here are too fixated on the immediate fixes which don't exist. So 5 years of watching Jones have a good game or three out of what 60 games is too immediate for most fans to dismiss him as a bad choice?
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 13, 2024 11:14:13 GMT -5
lol... and your emotional attachment to players is just what is needed for business. You're always angry, ill-informed, off-base and never objective. You're the perfect candidate for a GM. isn't saying a player is done / can't be the guy etc an emotional attachment as well? If after a bad game or two, yes. After five years of observation? No.
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Post by repeatchamps on Mar 13, 2024 11:27:54 GMT -5
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Post by inconvenientruth on Mar 13, 2024 11:37:26 GMT -5
lol... and your emotional attachment to players is just what is needed for business. You're always angry, ill-informed, off-base and never objective. You're the perfect candidate for a GM. isn't saying a player is done / can't be the guy etc an emotional attachment as well? I've seen Jones perform at a high-level on several occasions so it always leaves a possibility of putting it together consistently. Whereas most choose to give up and quit on a player because they haven't become a HOF by year 5. I'm not suggesting he is the guy or will be either but he's our QB for at least another year so if he can become consistent, that saves us a lot of resources and time to becoming contenders...you wouldn't enjoy that? A GMs job is just as much as adapting and looking ahead as it is making present decisions. Most on here are too fixated on the immediate fixes which don't exist. High level for Jones, is average to below average for NFL starters at QB. No one doubts in 2022, Jones played well for his standards, that doesn't mean he played well, in general. Beating up on the AFC South only happens once in 4 years. No QB that has tape similar to DJ gets 6 years to see if hes the 'guy'. There is no precedence for a QB this bad getting this long of a run. Can you point to one that matches his statistical production? Our FO finally stopped being emotional about him, when will the fans? What loyalty do you owe a guy that will never be close to winning a SB? Up your standards.
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