WR Position - What if we don't draft one of the big-3?

[piddy283]

I think we'd all agree that it'd be nice to have a bonafide WR1 on the roster.  We have some solid, versatile pieces in Slayton, Robinson, Hyatt, and Hodgins, but they don't keep defenses up at night.  At least not yet....looking at you Hyatt. 

That said, I'm curious to see whether or not you guys would be against drafting a WR like Ladd McConkey, Rickey Pearsall, or Roman Wilson.  More of a slot-type WR who runs great routes and can get open in a phone booth.  Not necessarily someone who can hold down the "X" role. 

Knowing that we already have a WR like that in Robinson, and knowing that we ideally want someone who can man the outside, would that prevent you from drafting another slot-type WR?  Or, would having a couple of WRs who can motion all over the field pre-snap and can get open in a phone booth be an advantage for us?  Could it actually compliment what we already have in place, or is it just redundant? 

I'm just starting to get into the WRs now and if we don't go WR at #6 I think it's an interesting question to consider.  There's going to be plenty of WR talent available on day-2 and day-3, it's just a matter of whether or not they can be a fit. 

[myronguyton29]

interesting but I'd really want a true X vs another slot. Watching Roman Wilson on Nfln the other eve though he talked about only having one drop on the entire season so that definitely is intriguing to have someone dependable no doubt but still.......

[Fletch842]

it all depends on what happens with picks 1 - 5. I think the only non WR position players that I would rank up with the big 3 are Joe Alt and maybe Taliese Fuaga, so unless we go QB, I'm expecting a WR at 6, given the O Line free agent signings this year. If Maye/Daniels or McCarthy become our pick at 6 one of the next tier WRs with our 2nd could make a lot of sense, depending on who else is also available. Picks aren't made in a vacuum.

[piddy283]

Apr 10, 2024 15:11:37 GMT -5 Fletch842 said:

it all depends on what happens with picks 1 - 5. I think the only non WR position players that I would rank up with the big 3 are Joe Alt and maybe Taliese Fuaga, so unless we go QB, I'm expecting a WR at 6, given the O Line free agent signings this year. If Maye/Daniels or McCarthy become our pick at 6 one of the next tier WRs with our 2nd could make a lot of sense, depending on who else is also available. Picks aren't made in a vacuum.

I get it, but the point of the question is to see what you'd do if we don't go WR at #6.  For the sake of conversation, this scenario is in a vacuum.  Would you be willing to draft another slot-type WR or would you only consider someone if they can man the outside?  Would having two "gadget" type WRs be redundant or could it be an advantage? 

[McCherry]

Coleman, Baker, Wilson, Legette... Similar to the 2019 draft, I think there are going to be some studs in round 2.

This is a deep class.

[DJones19]

Don't we already have enough low to mid tier at best receivers on the team already?

We've been missing a true #1 WR for years, we don't need another limited route or niche WR.
Hyatt hasn't even produced a 400 yard season yet...not saying he isn't talented but haven't seen enough to hype him...looks like other teams saw him as limited (maybe even including Daboll) which showed up last year so he fell hard in the draft.

[DJones19]

This was a quote from Schoen yesterday:

"We don't wanna be up here again -- we don't want to be picking in the top 10," he told Breer. "We have multiple needs. We are going into Year 3. People assume we're going quarterback, but we have other needs. If the quarterbacks go 1–4, then we're getting the second-best position player, not quarterback, at six, which is OK, too. That player will really help us. "

[cdngfan]

This is a similar to the QBs.

There’s an assumption that if one of the top 4 QBs are available you take them.

If one of the top 3 WRs are available you take them.

I wouldn’t assume that our draft board has all 7 of those players worth the #6 pick. Maybe they only have 5 players worth that pick. Maybe less

I think someone that everyone expected to gone by #7 is gonna drop out of the top 10. .

And I think a trade down may have a higher probability than most assume.

This Dabs/Kafka system rewards great route runners so I wouldn’t assume it’s X or bust. There’s also WR value in the 2nd.

[lt56]

after those Big 3, other than Brian Thomas, Adonai Mitchell and maybe Xavier Legette...not sure if any of the other guys are #1 Receivers but Worthy, McConkey, Coleman, Franklin are very good receivers and not bad options if available at #47

[OrangeGiant]

Honestly, I think they are taking a WR at 6, whether that is MHJr, Nabers or Odunze. My gut tells me it's going to be Nabers, for whatever reason.

I also think Wan'Dale and Hyatt are going to be much improved, and actually I think Wan'Dale is going to surprise people and have a big season...if he stays healthy. We saw him get better and better last season as the season went on.

Of course the caveat being the OL is improved and DJ stays healthy and plays like he did 2 years ago. Because he's going to be the QB if you ask me, whether we like it or not.

[Jomo]

Apr 10, 2024 16:19:19 GMT -5 DJones19 said:

This was a quote from Schoen yesterday:

"We don't wanna be up here again -- we don't want to be picking in the top 10," he told Breer. "We have multiple needs. We are going into Year 3. People assume we're going quarterback, but we have other needs. If the quarterbacks go 1–4, then we're getting the second-best position player, not quarterback, at six, which is OK, too. That player will really help us. "

If we draft a QB at #6 we will be drafting top 10 again next year and it has nothing to do with the quality of the guy we select.

It has everything to do with the roster that will remain needy if we use our #1 on a QB.

Heck it will be needy if we use it on a WR or DL or OL or CB.

We need to keep the rebuild going and deal with the QB next year.

[bavarobeast]

I’d take Ladd McConkey in a New York minute. 

I like Legette a lot also.  

I’m a Michigan guy and I say Roman Wilson is risky. He’s fast but can manhandled coming off the line. It would be interesting. McConkey is a stud.

[piddy283]

Apr 10, 2024 18:01:44 GMT -5 bavarobeast said:

I’d take Ladd McConkey in a New York minute. 

I like Legette a lot also.  

I’m a Michigan guy and I say Roman Wilson is risky. He’s fast but can manhandled coming off the line. It would be interesting. McConkey is a stud.

McConkey looks unreal. I hear he had injuries but I’d be stoked if we drafted him. Even if he’s similar to Robinson.

[IrishMike]

If we don't go WR in the first then I think WR will have some studs falling to round 2. Lots of WRs in this draft. None are as good as those top 3 but still really good players. I would not be against any specific type of WR. I'd prefer Coleman over the slot type WRs but I have him as WR4.

Just add talent. Also if we skip WR in the first it probably means we went QB which has some other connotations for this team going forward.

[bavarobeast]

Apr 10, 2024 18:03:56 GMT -5 piddy283 said:

Apr 10, 2024 18:01:44 GMT -5 bavarobeast said:

I’d take Ladd McConkey in a New York minute. 

I like Legette a lot also.  

I’m a Michigan guy and I say Roman Wilson is risky. He’s fast but can manhandled coming off the line. It would be interesting. McConkey is a stud.

McConkey looks unreal. I hear he had injuries but I’d be stoked if we drafted him. Even if he’s similar to Robinson.

I like Robinson. Glad we drafted him. McConkey has more game though IMO. 

Ladd worked through his injury pretty well, back I believe. He looked very impressive at the combine.

[Rangers13]

McConkey has nice player who leaves in free agency written all over him.

[giantbob71]

Apr 10, 2024 17:51:50 GMT -5 Jomo said:

Apr 10, 2024 16:19:19 GMT -5 DJones19 said:

This was a quote from Schoen yesterday:

"We don't wanna be up here again -- we don't want to be picking in the top 10," he told Breer. "We have multiple needs. We are going into Year 3. People assume we're going quarterback, but we have other needs. If the quarterbacks go 1–4, then we're getting the second-best position player, not quarterback, at six, which is OK, too. That player will really help us. "

If we draft a QB at #6 we will be drafting top 10 again next year and it has nothing to do with the quality of the guy we select.

It has everything to do with the roster that will remain needy if we use our #1 on a QB.

Heck it will be needy if we use it on a WR or DL or OL or CB.

We need to keep the rebuild going and deal with the QB next year.

Schoen needs the hopium of a rookie QB to get a new contract, next year. With no rookie QB, and a losing record, might as well let the new GM pick HIS QB, next year. Schoen has put himself in a terrible situation...gonna be interesting to see if he can wiggle out of it.

We'll know how desperate Schoen is if he trades down for a QB. It won't surprise me...

[inthezone]

I still hope they go Alt if Daniels doesn't fall to them.
Still not convince this magical #1 WR will matter at all if this oline still sucks.
Trying to figure out how many times a stud WR made a difference for a team winning the SB.
I guess Mahomes and Brady kind of kill that theory even with Hill being there once for Mahomes.

[hadenough]

I like Legette from South Carolina. Big, strong, fast. The Giants don’t have one of those guys. They have very specific WR. Wandale is quick, Hyatt has straight line. But they have no one to go get a ball.

Trade back, get a 2nd
Draft Fuaga, Legette, and whatever QB is left in the 2nd.

[ThatGuyRich]

So if were talking about taking one of these other WR's at #6 why would we. There will be at least 1 of the top 3 still there at #6. If we go QB with the 1st rd pick our 2nd rd pick is gone in the trade plus whatever else we give.

The only way is if we take a QB with the 6th pick without trading up. What are the odds 1 of the top 4 QB's make it to #6. Somebody is trading up. But if that happens then we should take one of these WR's with our 2nd rd pick or trade back up into the later 1st rd picks.

If we want a #1 WR then take any one of the big 3 that's there. All 3 of these guys are going to be pro bowlers.

[piddy283]

Apr 11, 2024 7:06:31 GMT -5 inthezone said:

I still hope they go Alt if Daniels doesn't fall to them.
Still not convince this magical #1 WR will matter at all if this oline still sucks.
Trying to figure out how many times a stud WR made a difference for a team winning the SB.
I guess Mahomes and Brady kind of kill that theory even with Hill being there once for Mahomes.

I tend to agree regarding the WR position, especially in recent years.  Everyone talks about the importance of a stud WR, but oftentimes they end up being traded after they sign their 2nd contract and they're rarely, if ever, the reason why teams win Super Bowls.  A bonafide WR1 is nice to have but it's a luxury, not a necessity. 

Taking it a step further, unless the market corrects itself between now and then I'm likely going to have little interest in re-signing one these top-3 WRs even if they pan out.  WRs are grossly overpaid nowadays even though the overall talent being drafted each year is better than ever.  It doesn't make sense.  Teams can address too many other core positions with that money. 

[jmike]

Good fits for what we need at WR who may be available @47 or later

Ricky Pearsall (No he isn't a slot only)
Xavier Legette
Jalen McMillan
Jamari Thrash
Ja'Lynn Polk
Luke McCaffrey
Joshua Cephus

[Nite]

Well then we pick a QB that can start and play well.. Holy F** what a concept . Gotta feeling that most posters here are perfectly fine with mediocrity and running out with a backup QB and a 'stud' WR who turns out not to be..Very odd the thinking of some here

[Kase1]

[fifthavephil]

Brenden Rice, USC receiver can be available in the third round. Jerry's son has good size , route tree and hands.

[jmike]

Apr 11, 2024 20:04:31 GMT -5 Kase1 said:

I don't think Corley or Franklin add an element the team doesn't already have.  Both good players for sure.  Legette of the three would add a missing element, so I would lean there among them.

Of the WRs that might make it to #47, Pearsall is the one I like the most for the Giants, but Legette is close.  Either or both going in the back end of the first wouldn't surprise me, neither would either lasting until the 3rd.  With so many players at the position and bunched so close together after the top 4 or 5, where they go will depend heavily on what flavor the people making the picks prefer.

One of the best WRs after the first group is Burton, but I understand he has some serious off field concerns, so I haven't really considered him at all.

[roundabout]

Apr 11, 2024 7:06:31 GMT -5 inthezone said:

I still hope they go Alt if Daniels doesn't fall to them.
Still not convince this magical #1 WR will matter at all if this oline still sucks.
Trying to figure out how many times a stud WR made a difference for a team winning the SB.
I guess Mahomes and Brady kind of kill that theory even with Hill being there once for Mahomes.

I hear you on Alt ;but how many #1 picks in the top 6 are we going to take in just a short Time?

[inthezone]

Apr 12, 2024 8:40:48 GMT -5 roundabout said:

Apr 11, 2024 7:06:31 GMT -5 inthezone said:

I still hope they go Alt if Daniels doesn't fall to them.
Still not convince this magical #1 WR will matter at all if this oline still sucks.
Trying to figure out how many times a stud WR made a difference for a team winning the SB.
I guess Mahomes and Brady kind of kill that theory even with Hill being there once for Mahomes.

I hear you on Alt ;but how many #1 picks in the top 6 are we going to take in just a short Time?

Until it's fixed.
I hope they trade back if Daniels isn't there allowing them to get a couple of new starters plus there is supposedly some other real good oline options after Alt and as you can see from our resident college guru some WRs also. 

[BigBlueDog42]

Apr 10, 2024 16:26:03 GMT -5 cdngfan said:

This is a similar to the QBs.

There’s an assumption that if one of the top 4 QBs are available you take them.

If one of the top 3 WRs are available you take them.

I wouldn’t assume that our draft board has all 7 of those players worth the #6 pick. Maybe they only have 5 players worth that pick. Maybe less

I think someone that everyone expected to gone by #7 is gonna drop out of the top 10. .

And I think a trade down may have a higher probability than most assume.

This Dabs/Kafka system rewards great route runners so I wouldn’t assume it’s X or bust. There’s also WR value in the 2nd.

I honestly believe that the top 5 on peoples board will have 2 QBs and possibly all 3 of the top WRs more I watch and read not saying a QB or 2 don't land right outside the top 5, think Alt is probably graded the same as the top 3 WRs so if the Giants miss on a QB they are gonna get a guy that is a top 1 or 2 talent at 6 if they stand pat.

To answer the question I think Dabs can cook with Roman Wilson Type he kind of reminds me Ayuck that said is there a good enough player at 6 to fro go one of the 3 WRs that will ba available a high end #1 is a premium asset 5 years of price control for that player is hard to turn down when your team has been starved of that kind of player for 5 or 6 years now. 

[BigBlueDog42]

I like like Pearsal and Wilson also like Coleman he was fastest through the Gauntlet which might translate to on field play.