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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 13, 2024 10:11:16 GMT -5
Yes they have shown interest in all the QBs and in 1 day as far as insiders go there are several different reports who what and when they will draft QB.
It will be interesting to see iff JJ is there at 6 and Nabers, where do they go Nabers on all boards is a rated higher at his position.
I am starting to believe they more than likely won't draft a QB at #1 unless if one falls it is one they really like don't think they are drafting a QB to draft 1.
it seems this team has everyone guessing and might force some teams to trade up past them if they want aQB forcing possibly all 3 WRs to them.
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Post by TEM on Apr 13, 2024 10:19:37 GMT -5
They have 6 choices on their board.
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Post by McCherry on Apr 13, 2024 10:38:01 GMT -5
I keep hearing this, but I think their intentions are pretty clear.
They clearly like McCarthy and Maye. They simply don't control their ability to get them.
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Post by thrax on Apr 13, 2024 10:43:37 GMT -5
I don't want more wrappers on the team, people with a split focus don't seem to do so well
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 13, 2024 10:59:54 GMT -5
I keep hearing this, but I think their intentions are pretty clear. They clearly like McCarthy and Maye. They simply don't control their ability to get them. Can't be sure if thats accurate that can be smoke I do still believe Maye is the second best QB in the draft if he got to them think they would go there I'm not sure the position players that will be available will be valued higher as far as grade goes.
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 13, 2024 11:05:16 GMT -5
I keep hearing this, but I think their intentions are pretty clear. They clearly like McCarthy and Maye. They simply don't control their ability to get them. If those two are high on their boards.. Then screw the formalities and go get one of them. Hoping for them to fall to us is a weak strategy. We have been leapfrogged on one or more occasions. And settled when we could have struck. Schoen has already stated that when the Bills drafted Josh Allen and got ripped for it by the columnists. They took it on the chin and stood by their decision. They struck oil when so many thought they hit a sewer line.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 13, 2024 11:08:12 GMT -5
They have 6 choices on their board. Funny thing is 3 out of the top 4 rated players will be available to them Williams and Harrisons are 1 or 2 on most big boards followed by Adunze or Nabers bonding around 3 and 4 at times Maye is in both conversations. Giants might have a shot at the top position or number 2 position player in the entire draft more than likely wether a QB is there or not he won't be graded close to as high as those position players. I want them to draft a QB but not just to draft because one dropped to them with better talent on the board what ever they do I will support it, Just interesting 3 of the top 5 are WRs not a peep about who they would like except some speculative whispers here and there.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 13, 2024 11:11:35 GMT -5
I keep hearing this, but I think their intentions are pretty clear. They clearly like McCarthy and Maye. They simply don't control their ability to get them. If those two are high on their boards.. Then screw the formalities and go get one of them. Hoping for them to fall to us is a weak strategy. We have been leapfrogged on one or more occasions. And settled when we could have struck. Schoen has already stated that when the Bills drafted Josh Allen and got ripped for it by the columnists. They took it on the chin and stood by their decision. They struck oil when so many thought they hit a sewer line. You want to give up 3 first rounders for one of them?
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Post by Analyst on Apr 13, 2024 11:11:45 GMT -5
Unless, they really want JJ McCarthy. Then, that cat was let out of the bag. from all I see, JJ is their guy. Is it accurate? I dont know. Reminds me of the DJ draft though how we were linked to him all through April. I thought it was smoke, and then... well.
Personally I think we get a WR.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 13, 2024 11:12:47 GMT -5
I keep hearing this, but I think their intentions are pretty clear. They clearly like McCarthy and Maye. They simply don't control their ability to get them. If those two are high on their boards.. Then screw the formalities and go get one of them. Hoping for them to fall to us is a weak strategy. We have been leapfrogged on one or more occasions. And settled when we could have struck. Schoen has already stated that when the Bills drafted Josh Allen and got ripped for it by the columnists. They took it on the chin and stood by their decision. They struck oil when so many thought they hit a sewer line. I agree if they love one go get him I think there are more than 1 that they really believe can be franchise QB it is wether they will be available for trade or at 6. With 3 QB hungry teams ahead of them and a 4th with 2 first rounders to give in this top heavy draft and their 1st next year and 2nd available to sweeten the pot i think it will be tough to go get one.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 13, 2024 11:14:45 GMT -5
If those two are high on their boards.. Then screw the formalities and go get one of them. Hoping for them to fall to us is a weak strategy. We have been leapfrogged on one or more occasions. And settled when we could have struck. Schoen has already stated that when the Bills drafted Josh Allen and got ripped for it by the columnists. They took it on the chin and stood by their decision. They struck oil when so many thought they hit a sewer line. You want to give up 3 first rounders for one of them? I want a QB but not at the expense of the future they can land a top 5 #1 WR and keep building this year and trade up fro a guy once the roster is pretty stable.
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Post by TEM on Apr 13, 2024 11:22:48 GMT -5
They have 6 choices on their board. Funny thing is 3 out of the top 4 rated players will be available to them Williams and Harrisons are 1 or 2 on most big boards followed by Adunze or Nabers bonding around 3 and 4 at times Maye is in both conversations. Giants might have a shot at the top position or number 2 position player in the entire draft more than likely wether a QB is there or not he won't be graded close to as high as those position players. I want them to draft a QB but not just to draft because one dropped to them with better talent on the board what ever they do I will support it, Just interesting 3 of the top 5 are WRs not a peep about who they would like except some speculative whispers here and there. At least 2 will be WRs.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 13, 2024 11:22:49 GMT -5
Unless, they really want JJ McCarthy. Then, that cat was let out of the bag. from all I see, JJ is their guy. Is it accurate? I dont know. Reminds me of the DJ draft though how we were linked to him all through April. I thought it was smoke, and then... well. Personally I think we get a WR. Agree I think it's odd hardly a word about them and the WRs and a ton of talk how the Vikings Raiders and Denver need to get up ahead of teh the Giants at 6 in they want a QB. If this turns out to be smoke and they get the desired affect pushing possibly all 3 WRs down to them it was masterful. I they go McCarthy with 2 of those WRs sitting there it is same O'l same O'l leak city, I have seen a lot of big boards and only a couple QBs are up there with those WRs Maye and Daniels flip flop Caleb flip flops with Harrison for #1 talent in this draft.
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 13, 2024 11:23:03 GMT -5
If those two are high on their boards.. Then screw the formalities and go get one of them. Hoping for them to fall to us is a weak strategy. We have been leapfrogged on one or more occasions. And settled when we could have struck. Schoen has already stated that when the Bills drafted Josh Allen and got ripped for it by the columnists. They took it on the chin and stood by their decision. They struck oil when so many thought they hit a sewer line. You want to give up 3 first rounders for one of them? I want the position fixed.. Spare no expenses.. We also don’t know what it will take to move one spot.. let alone two. We aren’t cracking the top three with a sledgehammer. It’s four and five where our sights are on. No one is giving up three number ones..
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 13, 2024 11:23:28 GMT -5
Funny thing is 3 out of the top 4 rated players will be available to them Williams and Harrisons are 1 or 2 on most big boards followed by Adunze or Nabers bonding around 3 and 4 at times Maye is in both conversations. Giants might have a shot at the top position or number 2 position player in the entire draft more than likely wether a QB is there or not he won't be graded close to as high as those position players. I want them to draft a QB but not just to draft because one dropped to them with better talent on the board what ever they do I will support it, Just interesting 3 of the top 5 are WRs not a peep about who they would like except some speculative whispers here and there. At least 2 will be WRs. Yup
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 13, 2024 11:25:20 GMT -5
You want to give up 3 first rounders for one of them? I want the position fixed.. Spare no expenses.. We also don’t know what it will take to move one spot.. let alone two. We aren’t cracking the top three with a sledgehammer. It’s four and five where our sights are on. No one is giving up three number ones.. We all want it fixed but taking a mid first round talent at with top 3 or 4 talent sitting there is how the Giants got where they are now.
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 13, 2024 11:32:24 GMT -5
I want the position fixed.. Spare no expenses.. We also don’t know what it will take to move one spot.. let alone two. We aren’t cracking the top three with a sledgehammer. It’s four and five where our sights are on. No one is giving up three number ones.. We all want it fixed but taking a mid first round talent at with top 3 or 4 talent sitting there is how the Giants got where they are now. So.. we draft a receiver at six. And trot out Jones for the umpteenth year.. Are we trying to win games.. or prove a point?
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Post by McCherry on Apr 13, 2024 11:42:19 GMT -5
I keep hearing this, but I think their intentions are pretty clear. They clearly like McCarthy and Maye. They simply don't control their ability to get them. Can't be sure if thats accurate that can be smoke I do still believe Maye is the second best QB in the draft if he got to them think they would go there I'm not sure the position players that will be available will be valued higher as far as grade goes. They have been flying around the country since last fall to see them and have had multiple meetings. That's a lot of effort in players who are projected to go before we pick. So I'm not sure what they would even gain by faking interest.
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Post by jmike on Apr 13, 2024 11:55:47 GMT -5
Yes they have shown interest in all the QBs and in 1 day as far as insiders go there are several different reports who what and when they will draft QB. It will be interesting to see iff JJ is there at 6 and Nabers, where do they go Nabers on all boards is a rated higher at his position. I am starting to believe they more than likely won't draft a QB at #1 unless if one falls it is one they really like don't think they are drafting a QB to draft 1. it seems this team has everyone guessing and might force some teams to trade up past them if they want aQB forcing possibly all 3 WRs to them. There has been so much talk from the Giants about the QB position. Why would they do that if they want a QB? Seems odd to me. But the other question is, if they don't go QB this year in the draft, who plays QB in 2025? Jones will be cut after the season, I just don't see them keeping that cap number for that player in 2025. Lock is on a one year deal. If they don't draft a potential starting QB, they have no QB in 2025. So maybe they are actually desperate for one, like some talking heads have said. So I guess the question is, if the plan is not QB in this draft, which QBs to they expect to shake free after this season for them to bring in via trade or free agency? Anyone have any ideas on that? What vet can we bring in for 2025? Not stopgap vet, but QB for 5 or so years vet that makes us a contender? If there isn't at least one, are they then forced to take whatever QB they have rated highest when they pick this year? For me, the only QB I'd draft this year over any of those 3 WRs is Williams and he won't be an option.
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Post by McCherry on Apr 13, 2024 12:14:28 GMT -5
Yes they have shown interest in all the QBs and in 1 day as far as insiders go there are several different reports who what and when they will draft QB. It will be interesting to see iff JJ is there at 6 and Nabers, where do they go Nabers on all boards is a rated higher at his position. I am starting to believe they more than likely won't draft a QB at #1 unless if one falls it is one they really like don't think they are drafting a QB to draft 1. it seems this team has everyone guessing and might force some teams to trade up past them if they want aQB forcing possibly all 3 WRs to them. There has been so much talk from the Giants about the QB position. Why would they do that if they want a QB? Seems odd to me. But the other question is, if they don't go QB this year in the draft, who plays QB in 2025? Jones will be cut after the season, I just don't see them keeping that cap number for that player in 2025. Lock is on a one year deal. If they don't draft a potential starting QB, they have no QB in 2025. So maybe they are actually desperate for one, like some talking heads have said. So I guess the question is, if the plan is not QB in this draft, which QBs to they expect to shake free after this season for them to bring in via trade or free agency? Anyone have any ideas on that? What vet can we bring in for 2025? Not stopgap vet, but QB for 5 or so years vet that makes us a contender? If there isn't at least one, are they then forced to take whatever QB they have rated highest when they pick this year? For me, the only QB I'd draft this year over any of those 3 WRs is Williams and he won't be an option. Schoen has said nothing about any particular QB in this draft. It's their actions that give it away. You can't hide scouting. If they can't move up for Maye or McCarthy, I believe it will be Nix or Penix late first or early second. Outside of some nightmare circumstance, I see no scenario where Giant don't take a QB in this draft.
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Post by jmike on Apr 13, 2024 12:24:54 GMT -5
There has been so much talk from the Giants about the QB position. Why would they do that if they want a QB? Seems odd to me. But the other question is, if they don't go QB this year in the draft, who plays QB in 2025? Jones will be cut after the season, I just don't see them keeping that cap number for that player in 2025. Lock is on a one year deal. If they don't draft a potential starting QB, they have no QB in 2025. So maybe they are actually desperate for one, like some talking heads have said. So I guess the question is, if the plan is not QB in this draft, which QBs to they expect to shake free after this season for them to bring in via trade or free agency? Anyone have any ideas on that? What vet can we bring in for 2025? Not stopgap vet, but QB for 5 or so years vet that makes us a contender? If there isn't at least one, are they then forced to take whatever QB they have rated highest when they pick this year? For me, the only QB I'd draft this year over any of those 3 WRs is Williams and he won't be an option. Schoen has said nothing about any particular QB in this draft. It's their actions that give it away. You can't hide scouting. If they can't move up for Maye or McCarthy, I believe it will be Nix or Penix late first or early second. Outside of some nightmare circumstance, I see no scenario where Giant don't take a QB in this draft. Mara, Scheon, Daboll and the entire team run media apparatus talk about QB constantly, nobody specific sure. But a team at 6 who really wants to take a QB? One would think the word Quarterback wouldn't be uttered at all by them. If they actually want one, they have been stupid about it. I don't think they are stupid, so I don't think they want one. But I could be wrong, they may indeed be stupid. If you don't see a scenario where they don't take a QB, I suggest an eye exam. You are having an issue, a crippling one.
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 13, 2024 12:28:58 GMT -5
We all want it fixed but taking a mid first round talent at with top 3 or 4 talent sitting there is how the Giants got where they are now. So.. we draft a receiver at six. And trot out Jones for the umpteenth year.. Are we trying to win games.. or prove a point? It is a tough one. With Drew lock only signed for one year and DJ cap savings next year . We are going to need a QB sooner rather than later. Unless one of those guys do a 180 and turn into new QBs. Whatever direction they go I hope it is part of larger plan. Everything JS has done seems myopic and reactionary to me. Like he justing slapping on bandaids instead stitching up the wound. I do admit if his job is to keep everyone guessing he is doing a good job.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 13, 2024 12:30:32 GMT -5
Yes they have shown interest in all the QBs and in 1 day as far as insiders go there are several different reports who what and when they will draft QB. It will be interesting to see iff JJ is there at 6 and Nabers, where do they go Nabers on all boards is a rated higher at his position. I am starting to believe they more than likely won't draft a QB at #1 unless if one falls it is one they really like don't think they are drafting a QB to draft 1. it seems this team has everyone guessing and might force some teams to trade up past them if they want aQB forcing possibly all 3 WRs to them. There has been so much talk from the Giants about the QB position. Why would they do that if they want a QB? Seems odd to me. But the other question is, if they don't go QB this year in the draft, who plays QB in 2025? Jones will be cut after the season, I just don't see them keeping that cap number for that player in 2025. Lock is on a one year deal. If they don't draft a potential starting QB, they have no QB in 2025. So maybe they are actually desperate for one, like some talking heads have said. So I guess the question is, if the plan is not QB in this draft, which QBs to they expect to shake free after this season for them to bring in via trade or free agency? Anyone have any ideas on that? What vet can we bring in for 2025? Not stopgap vet, but QB for 5 or so years vet that makes us a contender? If there isn't at least one, are they then forced to take whatever QB they have rated highest when they pick this year? For me, the only QB I'd draft this year over any of those 3 WRs is Williams and he won't be an option. This is what I'm talking about not sure who will be available next year but that could be the way they go maybe they draft a QB the more I see how this going it looks as tho they are gonna have a really good player looking them in the face even possibly Harrison. i'm sure Schoen has a list of guys coming free next year and possible 2nd and 3rd round guys he would be comfortable drafting and developing also the 2025 class and through 2027/ 2028. Something has to give at that position just not sure it will be in the first round this year, not because there is not want to just who will be there at 6 and cost of moving up with a roster that needs blue chippers, where at 6 there will be a premium position blue chip prospect sitting there.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 13, 2024 12:35:14 GMT -5
Schoen has said nothing about any particular QB in this draft. It's their actions that give it away. You can't hide scouting. If they can't move up for Maye or McCarthy, I believe it will be Nix or Penix late first or early second. Outside of some nightmare circumstance, I see no scenario where Giant don't take a QB in this draft. Mara, Scheon, Daboll and the entire team run media apparatus talk about QB constantly, nobody specific sure. But a team at 6 who really wants to take a QB? One would think the word Quarterback wouldn't be uttered at all by them. If they actually want one, they have been stupid about it. I don't think they are stupid, so I don't think they want one. But I could be wrong, they may indeed be stupid. If you don't see a scenario where they don't take a QB, I suggest an eye exam. You are having an issue, a crippling one. I think if the right guy falls to them it's possible, but they have 3 QB needy teams in front of them and 3 that might try a trade up behind them with one that has excellent draft capital to give in the Viking 2 first rounders in a extremely top heavy draft and can give a 3rd along with it plus a 2nd next year.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 13, 2024 12:45:11 GMT -5
Can't be sure if thats accurate that can be smoke I do still believe Maye is the second best QB in the draft if he got to them think they would go there I'm not sure the position players that will be available will be valued higher as far as grade goes. They have been flying around the country since last fall to see them and have had multiple meetings. That's a lot of effort in players who are projected to go before we pick. So I'm not sure what they would even gain by faking interest. The issue isn't wether they want to or not it is they have 3 teams in front of them that need QBs and probably 2 guys out of 5 that actually belong in the top 5 they have the Vikings sitting pretty with more draft capital than we can give hungry and waiting behind them. They would be fools not to check in with the 5 or 6 prospects in this draft visit them work them out bring some in not saying they won't draft 1 but this helps them either way they go they are forcing teams to believe they need to get past 6 to get one of these guys pushing possibly all 3 WRs down to them Harrison is #1 prospect on a lot of boards and Williams is sharing that space with him, they aren't getting Williams but if they have shot at Harrison or any of the top 3 because the top 4 are gone any one of them should be the pick
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 13, 2024 12:50:40 GMT -5
We all want it fixed but taking a mid first round talent at with top 3 or 4 talent sitting there is how the Giants got where they are now. So.. we draft a receiver at six. And trot out Jones for the umpteenth year.. Are we trying to win games.. or prove a point? do you want the 4 or 5th best QB in the class then you are asking for maybe worse than what Jones can offer. If they draft one for their sake and the Giants they better be right the math says 2 out these guys are gonna be franchise QBs and we will have last licks not promising. Then the set back will be starting over again with a new front office and coach I want the QB and I think they do to but they can't get QB drunk here and draft one because he is there and a bunch of talking heads are pushing them up boards.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 13, 2024 13:15:53 GMT -5
You want to give up 3 first rounders for one of them? I want the position fixed.. Spare no expenses.. We also don’t know what it will take to move one spot.. let alone two. We aren’t cracking the top three with a sledgehammer. It’s four and five where our sights are on. No one is giving up three number ones.. The Vikings will give up 3 number ones to get to 3 🤷♂️ What if “their guy” goes in the top 3 and none of those teams will trade out?
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Post by McCherry on Apr 13, 2024 13:34:34 GMT -5
Schoen has said nothing about any particular QB in this draft. It's their actions that give it away. You can't hide scouting. If they can't move up for Maye or McCarthy, I believe it will be Nix or Penix late first or early second. Outside of some nightmare circumstance, I see no scenario where Giant don't take a QB in this draft. Mara, Scheon, Daboll and the entire team run media apparatus talk about QB constantly, nobody specific sure. But a team at 6 who really wants to take a QB? One would think the word Quarterback wouldn't be uttered at all by them. If they actually want one, they have been stupid about it. I don't think they are stupid, so I don't think they want one. But I could be wrong, they may indeed be stupid. If you don't see a scenario where they don't take a QB, I suggest an eye exam. You are having an issue, a crippling one. The Giants have the 6th pick in a QB rich draft and they don't have a starting QB. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out, regardless of who said what. It's no secret they scouted the shit out of Maye and McCarthy. And the only thing that can keep us from drafting one of them is opportunity and availability.
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Post by McCherry on Apr 13, 2024 13:41:02 GMT -5
They have been flying around the country since last fall to see them and have had multiple meetings. That's a lot of effort in players who are projected to go before we pick. So I'm not sure what they would even gain by faking interest. The issue isn't wether they want to or not it is they have 3 teams in front of them that need QBs and probably 2 guys out of 5 that actually belong in the top 5 they have the Vikings sitting pretty with more draft capital than we can give hungry and waiting behind them. They would be fools not to check in with the 5 or 6 prospects in this draft visit them work them out bring some in not saying they won't draft 1 but this helps them either way they go they are forcing teams to believe they need to get past 6 to get one of these guys pushing possibly all 3 WRs down to them Harrison is #1 prospect on a lot of boards and Williams is sharing that space with him, they aren't getting Williams but if they have shot at Harrison or any of the top 3 because the top 4 are gone any one of them should be the pick That's why I say the only thing that is keeping them from one of the top-4 QB's is the opportunity. And that might be out of their hands. But at worst they get Nabers or Odunze. I don't think they need to manipulate the draft for that. But they would be fools not to have legitimate interest in the QB's of this draft. And I think Nix/Penix are their fallback later on.
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Post by Jomo on Apr 13, 2024 13:46:41 GMT -5
This is the way it should be. The only information we should be sharing is disinformation.
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