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Post by jmike on Apr 13, 2024 13:48:18 GMT -5
Mara, Scheon, Daboll and the entire team run media apparatus talk about QB constantly, nobody specific sure. But a team at 6 who really wants to take a QB? One would think the word Quarterback wouldn't be uttered at all by them. If they actually want one, they have been stupid about it. I don't think they are stupid, so I don't think they want one. But I could be wrong, they may indeed be stupid. If you don't see a scenario where they don't take a QB, I suggest an eye exam. You are having an issue, a crippling one. The Giants have the 6th pick in a QB rich draft and they don't have a starting QB. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out, regardless of who said what. It's no secret they scouted the shit out of Maye and McCarthy. It will have no impact on the outcome from where they sit. The only thing that can keep them from drafting one of them is opportunity and availability. OK, so you do see a scenario. You can cancel the exam now. |
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Post by jmike on Apr 13, 2024 13:49:06 GMT -5
The issue isn't wether they want to or not it is they have 3 teams in front of them that need QBs and probably 2 guys out of 5 that actually belong in the top 5 they have the Vikings sitting pretty with more draft capital than we can give hungry and waiting behind them. They would be fools not to check in with the 5 or 6 prospects in this draft visit them work them out bring some in not saying they won't draft 1 but this helps them either way they go they are forcing teams to believe they need to get past 6 to get one of these guys pushing possibly all 3 WRs down to them Harrison is #1 prospect on a lot of boards and Williams is sharing that space with him, they aren't getting Williams but if they have shot at Harrison or any of the top 3 because the top 4 are gone any one of them should be the pick But at worst they get Nabers or Odunze. I don't think they need to manipulate the draft for that. But they would be fools not to have legitimate interest in the QB's of this draft. And I think Nix/Penix are their fallback later on. That isn't what you initially said. |
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Post by jmike on Apr 13, 2024 13:50:09 GMT -5
This is the way it should be. The only information we should be sharing is disinformation. No, because if everything out there is known to be disinformation, it becomes easy to figure out what is the real information. |
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Post by McCherry on Apr 13, 2024 13:55:01 GMT -5
That's why I say the only thing that is keeping them from one of the top-4 QB's is the opportunity. And that might be out of their hands.But at worst they get Nabers or Odunze. I don't think they need to manipulate the draft for that. But they would be fools not to have legitimate interest in the QB's of this draft. And I think Nix/Penix are their fallback later on. That isn't what you initially said. It's exactly what you quoted in your previous reply. But I still think the second tier QB's are in play for us if things don't work out in the top-6. I just don't see how Schoen and Daboll can come out of this draft without a QB. I don't think that's a wild take. |
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Post by jmike on Apr 13, 2024 14:00:12 GMT -5
That isn't what you initially said. It's exactly what you quoted in your previous reply. But I still think the second tier QB's are in play for us if things don't work out in the top-6. I just don't see how Schoen and Daboll can come out of this draft without a QB. I don't think that's a wild take. Initially Adverb at the beginning: at first |
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Post by Roswell on Apr 13, 2024 14:08:45 GMT -5
Just once I’d like to see the Giants take advantage of draft position and fleece a team that’s desperate for a guy like Alt if he’s available.
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 13, 2024 14:50:04 GMT -5
The whole thing is media, tweet whores, pretenders posing as experts and mocks. There hasn’t been anything really legit imo.
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Post by McCherry on Apr 13, 2024 14:55:35 GMT -5
Just once I’d like to see the Giants take advantage of draft position and fleece a team that’s desperate for a guy like Alt if he’s available. I agree. The problem with that there are several top Tackles available. Something like 5-7 that could go in the first round. The Giants are stuck in a weird spot this year at 6. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 13, 2024 15:05:10 GMT -5
The issue isn't wether they want to or not it is they have 3 teams in front of them that need QBs and probably 2 guys out of 5 that actually belong in the top 5 they have the Vikings sitting pretty with more draft capital than we can give hungry and waiting behind them. They would be fools not to check in with the 5 or 6 prospects in this draft visit them work them out bring some in not saying they won't draft 1 but this helps them either way they go they are forcing teams to believe they need to get past 6 to get one of these guys pushing possibly all 3 WRs down to them Harrison is #1 prospect on a lot of boards and Williams is sharing that space with him, they aren't getting Williams but if they have shot at Harrison or any of the top 3 because the top 4 are gone any one of them should be the pick That's why I say the only thing that is keeping them from one of the top-4 QB's is the opportunity. And that might be out of their hands. But at worst they get Nabers or Odunze. I don't think they need to manipulate the draft for that. But they would be fools not to have legitimate interest in the QB's of this draft. And I think Nix/Penix are their fallback later on. The thing is once you get by the top 2 maybe 3 those WRs are better players by a country mile, Daniels had 2 top 15 WRs to throw to and does not have strongest arm I have heard a couple times now his arm strength less than Jones, just not sure if it's not Maye or maybe Daniels that they pass up one of those WRs. After that if they have to choose from Penix or Nix, Rattler is just as good and they might be able to get him later word is Nix is falling we will see. |
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Post by inconvenientruth on Apr 13, 2024 15:13:00 GMT -5
Just once I’d like to see the Giants take advantage of draft position and fleece a team that’s desperate for a guy like Alt if he’s available. I agree. The problem with that there are several top Tackles available. Something like 5-7 that could go in the first round. The Giants are stuck in a weird spot this year at 6. I think it's a great spot, better than most. As per guys like Dane Burglar, Malik Nabers would be the best player in the entire draft each of the last two drafts. We are in a position to be able to draft that kind of talent, if their rd 1 QB plan fails. It's honestly best case scenario IF we don't nail down a QB. If Maye falls to #3. I think Schoen throws the kitchen sink at him. Otherwise Nabers. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 13, 2024 15:17:26 GMT -5
Just once I’d like to see the Giants take advantage of draft position and fleece a team that’s desperate for a guy like Alt if he’s available. I agree. The problem with that there are several top Tackles available. Something like 5-7 that could go in the first round. The Giants are stuck in a weird spot this year at 6. Giants play their cards right which shouldn't he hard to do this will be an unF%$^UPable deal, if they don't get the QB they get a top 2 or 3 position player in this draft. To boot there will 2 possibly all 3 WRs sitting there WR is a premium position where they will have 5 years of salary control Keep in mind Harrison if this happens is considered #1 by many in this draft and #2 by the ones who don't think he is #1. The only thing that can screw this up is if one of these guys changes over night into average. |
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Post by Jomo on Apr 13, 2024 15:19:11 GMT -5
This is the way it should be. The only information we should be sharing is disinformation. No, because if everything out there is known to be disinformation, it becomes easy to figure out what is the real information. AT which point send in a call for the double reverse misinformation. After a while no one knows our intentions, even the FO.  |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 13, 2024 15:19:47 GMT -5
I agree. The problem with that there are several top Tackles available. Something like 5-7 that could go in the first round. The Giants are stuck in a weird spot this year at 6. I think it's a great spot, better than most. As per guys like Dane Burglar, Malik Nabers would be the best player in the entire draft each of the last two drafts. We are in a position to be able to draft that kind of talent, if their rd 1 QB plan fails. It's honestly best case scenario IF we don't nail down a QB. If Maye falls to #3. I think Schoen throws the kitchen sink at him. Otherwise Nabers. This is spot on chances are if they miss on the QB and SD takes Alt Harrison could be there also giants don't need to make this harder than it has to be, they are sitting pretty. |
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Post by fifthavephil on Apr 13, 2024 15:21:30 GMT -5
No, because if everything out there is known to be disinformation, it becomes easy to figure out what is the real information. AT which point send in a call for the double reverse misinformation. After a while no one knows our intentions, even the FO. I would call a flea flicker, that should confuse everyone. |
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Post by Zimonami on Apr 13, 2024 15:24:14 GMT -5
If those two are high on their boards.. Then screw the formalities and go get one of them. Hoping for them to fall to us is a weak strategy. We have been leapfrogged on one or more occasions. And settled when we could have struck. Schoen has already stated that when the Bills drafted Josh Allen and got ripped for it by the columnists. They took it on the chin and stood by their decision. They struck oil when so many thought they hit a sewer line. You want to give up 3 first rounders for one of them? Amen to that. We have too many holes to fill without giving valuable picks away... especially when the odds of success of 1st rnd QBs. If you give away those picks and your QB becomes a dud then you are really fubared.. I want a QB only because I think DJ's neck isn't worth betting on. One more neck injury and you won't find many docs willing to pass him to play. That leaves Lock and Devito? I'd rather go with that for another year and improve other positions of need for a season or 2. It's amazing how good a guy can look at QB when he has a good line. Get that done.l Maybe a 4th, 5th round flyer on an intersting QB. There will always be a Tom Brady or Brock Purdy that were lucky enough to start with a good team. |
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Post by McCherry on Apr 13, 2024 15:36:13 GMT -5
I agree. The problem with that there are several top Tackles available. Something like 5-7 that could go in the first round. The Giants are stuck in a weird spot this year at 6. Giants play their cards right which shouldn't he hard to do this will be an unF%$^UPable deal, if they don't get the QB they get a top 2 or 3 position player in this draft. To boot there will 2 possibly all 3 WRs sitting there WR is a premium position where they will have 5 years of salary control Keep in mind Harrison if this happens is considered #1 by many in this draft and #2 by the ones who don't think he is #1. The only thing that can screw this up is if one of these guys changes over night into average. I get that. If Jones didn't implode, we'd be in position to take on the world with Nabers. The problem is we need a QB to throw to the receiver. This team has no future with the current QB's. |
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Post by lt56 on Apr 13, 2024 15:59:11 GMT -5
a lot of Pre Draft Smoke Screen and I think that Smoke Screen might be JJ McCarthy who might be this years Will Levis who had a lot of Pre Draft Hype and and people was Mocking Him very High then Draft Night he fell hard
we shall see how things play out, I'm very excited to see what Schoen does Draft Night
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 13, 2024 16:04:48 GMT -5
Giants play their cards right which shouldn't he hard to do this will be an unF%$^UPable deal, if they don't get the QB they get a top 2 or 3 position player in this draft. To boot there will 2 possibly all 3 WRs sitting there WR is a premium position where they will have 5 years of salary control Keep in mind Harrison if this happens is considered #1 by many in this draft and #2 by the ones who don't think he is #1. The only thing that can screw this up is if one of these guys changes over night into average. I get that. If Jones didn't implode, we'd be in position to take on the world with Nabers. The problem is we need a QB to throw to the receiver. This team has no future with the current QB's. If they get good OL play or average Jones can win not a championship but he could hold down the fort especially give him special WR. I know they next years QB class is week wait and see Sanders Milroe Ewers and more than likely a 1 or 2 more will emerge. This years class was 2 guys to start Williams and Maye now McCarthy has climbed and Daniels who was an after thought climbed there will be QBs to be had if they miss this year . |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 13, 2024 16:09:26 GMT -5
a lot of Pre Draft Smoke Screen and I think that Smoke Screen might be JJ McCarthy who might be this years Will Levis who had a lot of Pre Draft Hype and and people was Mocking Him very High then Draft Night he fell hard we shall see how things play out, I'm very excited to see what Schoen does Draft Night So am I. I think they have a lot of people thinking a lot of different things I read 3 or 4 different takes yesterday looking froward to it. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 13, 2024 16:16:59 GMT -5
You want to give up 3 first rounders for one of them? Amen to that. We have too many holes to fill without giving valuable picks away... especially when the odds of success of 1st rnd QBs. If you give away those picks and your QB becomes a dud then you are really fubared.. I want a QB only because I think DJ's neck isn't worth betting on. One more neck injury and you won't find many docs willing to pass him to play. That leaves Lock and Devito? I'd rather go with that for another year and improve other positions of need for a season or 2. It's amazing how good a guy can look at QB when he has a good line. Get that done.l Maybe a 4th, 5th round flyer on an intersting QB. There will always be a Tom Brady or Brock Purdy that were lucky enough to start with a good team. I agree Zim the QB from Florida ST who broke his leg would be a nice project Rattler another nice project Micheal Pratt maybe Nix if he falls. Think Schoen knows where this roster is if a guy they really like gets to 6 he will do it but if not I hope they will take the best WR with that pick and go get the best CB with 47 and the best Guard in RD 3 then Maybe grab a developmental QB in round 4 or 5 |
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Post by giantbob71 on Apr 13, 2024 17:04:50 GMT -5
Yes they have shown interest in all the QBs and in 1 day as far as insiders go there are several different reports who what and when they will draft QB. It will be interesting to see iff JJ is there at 6 and Nabers, where do they go Nabers on all boards is a rated higher at his position. I am starting to believe they more than likely won't draft a QB at #1 unless if one falls it is one they really like don't think they are drafting a QB to draft 1. it seems this team has everyone guessing and might force some teams to trade up past them if they want aQB forcing possibly all 3 WRs to them. Other than Chicago at 1, doesn't every team have the league guessing? Washington looks like they'll take a QB, but I've seen them mentioned with 3 different QBs. Pats, AZ, and Chargers have been mentioned in trading down. Giants, Jets(for WR), Vikings, Broncos, and Raiders have been mentioned in moving up (that I've read). Other than Chicago, I don't think anyone knows what happening 2-32. |
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Post by giants8493 on Apr 13, 2024 17:47:31 GMT -5
You want to give up 3 first rounders for one of them? I want the position fixed.. Spare no expenses.. We also don’t know what it will take to move one spot.. let alone two. We aren’t cracking the top three with a sledgehammer. It’s four and five where our sights are on. No one is giving up three number ones.. vikings definitely are prepared for that. |
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Apr 13, 2024 19:08:16 GMT -5
I think they are set on Harrison Jr or Odunze. In today’s NFL prolific receivers are what open up your offense. Lots of smoke. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s receiver and back into the First later for Penix Jr.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 13, 2024 19:47:35 GMT -5
Yes they have shown interest in all the QBs and in 1 day as far as insiders go there are several different reports who what and when they will draft QB. It will be interesting to see iff JJ is there at 6 and Nabers, where do they go Nabers on all boards is a rated higher at his position. I am starting to believe they more than likely won't draft a QB at #1 unless if one falls it is one they really like don't think they are drafting a QB to draft 1. it seems this team has everyone guessing and might force some teams to trade up past them if they want aQB forcing possibly all 3 WRs to them. Other than Chicago at 1, doesn't every team have the league guessing? Washington looks like they'll take a QB, but I've seen them mentioned with 3 different QBs. Pats, AZ, and Chargers have been mentioned in trading down. Giants, Jets(for WR), Vikings, Broncos, and Raiders have been mentioned in moving up (that I've read). Other than Chicago, I don't think anyone knows what happening 2-32. Giants plans used to be out around 3 weeks before the draft remember when Reese got jumped twice and we needed up with Apple. I'm saying compared to the last 2 GMs |
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Post by vinnie on Apr 13, 2024 20:13:40 GMT -5
I think this team is f’ed for a few years at least. If they get a QB this year, he needs to be at least very good and that will most likely take a minimum of a year and sitting behind DJ and Lock so he can learn what not to do. If we go WR, we’ll probably end up with 6-8 wins, no shot at a legitimate playoff run and either be stuck with Jones in 2025 and his ever bigger salary hit or find a FA QB that can take us to the playoffs and be competitive or draft a QB in 2025 in which case we’ll probably be picking from the low to mid teens and have to give up much more to move up than we would this year. If they’re sold on a QB, even if it costs us an arm and a leg, this is the year to do it because next year it will cost us 2 arms, 2 legs and a pair of balls.
Good luck Schoen, hope you don’t **** this up…especially by drafting Maye.
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Post by vinnie on Apr 13, 2024 20:21:40 GMT -5
I get that. If Jones didn't implode, we'd be in position to take on the world with Nabers. The problem is we need a QB to throw to the receiver. This team has no future with the current QB's. If they get good OL play or average Jones can win not a championship but he could hold down the fort especially give him special WR. I know they next years QB class is week wait and see Sanders Milroe Ewers and more than likely a 1 or 2 more will emerge. This years class was 2 guys to start Williams and Maye now McCarthy has climbed and Daniels who was an after thought climbed there will be QBs to be had if they miss this year . Hold down the fort?! For what Dog? You want to keep bus driving Jones around, which includes paying him a lot more over the next two years (plus his injury clause is in play) so we can maybe scratch the surface of the playoffs and eventually have to draft a QB when we’re picking in the 20’s and have to give up three 1sts and some to move up for a QB who will be just as much as a gamble as this years guys? By that time half our current roster will either be aged out or FA’s and we won’t have any picks to replace them with. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 13, 2024 20:30:32 GMT -5
If they get good OL play or average Jones can win not a championship but he could hold down the fort especially give him special WR. I know they next years QB class is week wait and see Sanders Milroe Ewers and more than likely a 1 or 2 more will emerge. This years class was 2 guys to start Williams and Maye now McCarthy has climbed and Daniels who was an after thought climbed there will be QBs to be had if they miss this year . Hold down the fort?! For what Dog? You want to keep bus driving Jones around, which includes paying him a lot more over the next two years (plus his injury clause is in play) so we can maybe scratch the surface of the playoffs and eventually have to draft a QB when we’re picking in the 20’s and have to give up three 1sts and some to move up for a QB who will be just as much as a gamble as this years guys? By that time half our current roster will either be aged out or FA’s and we won’t have any picks to replace them with. so they are supposed to reach again and start the whole Jones Saga over with a different face if there is no top2 or 3 QB there at 6 then they need to draft a game changer at different position. I want a QB but i'm not trading the world fro a guy who has a 33% chance to succeed and since it will probably be a reach at 6 I'm taking a guy that would be #1 in another draft. Maybe i''m wrong but this team needs game changers and if there isn't one at QB then i'm taking the WR that is one in front of me. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 13, 2024 20:35:36 GMT -5
I think this team is f’ed for a few years at least. If they get a QB this year, he needs to be at least very good and that will most likely take a minimum of a year and sitting behind DJ and Lock so he can learn what not to do. If we go WR, we’ll probably end up with 6-8 wins, no shot at a legitimate playoff run and either be stuck with Jones in 2025 and his ever bigger salary hit or find a FA QB that can take us to the playoffs and be competitive or draft a QB in 2025 in which case we’ll probably be picking from the low to mid teens and have to give up much more to move up than we would this year. If they’re sold on a QB, even if it costs us an arm and a leg, this is the year to do it because next year it will cost us 2 arms, 2 legs and a pair of balls. Good luck Schoen, hope you don’t **** this up…especially by drafting Maye. They they might have to ride with Lock or a vet like Tannihill if he is available or Marriota fro the next year or so while they keep drafting if a QB they love is available go get him I don't see it in this draft from Daniels to McCarthy they all have issues and should be on the bench for a year to start. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 13, 2024 20:44:27 GMT -5
I think they are set on Harrison Jr or Odunze. In today’s NFL prolific receivers are what open up your offense. Lots of smoke. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s receiver and back into the First later for Penix Jr. If they get Jumped they might have their choice of Harrison / Nabers / Odunze. I like them all bit Odunze showed something playing through i believe a cracked rib making those tough contested catches. don't know about trading back into round 1 not sure they will want to give that draft capital up in this draft where the draft falls off cliff in the 5th round supposedly after round 4 most of the players are of UDFA quality because lots of draft eligible underclassmen stayed in school do to the NIL money |
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 14, 2024 6:46:12 GMT -5
I think they are set on Harrison Jr or Odunze. In today’s NFL prolific receivers are what open up your offense. Lots of smoke. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s receiver and back into the First later for Penix Jr. If they get Jumped they might have their choice of Harrison / Nabers / Odunze. I like them all bit Odunze showed something playing through i believe a cracked rib making those tough contested catches. don't know about trading back into round 1 not sure they will want to give that draft capital up in this draft where the draft falls off cliff in the 5th round supposedly after round 4 most of the players are of UDFA quality because lots of draft eligible underclassmen stayed in school do to the NIL money year before last, Odunze cracked a rib at an away game, and was prohibited from flying. Mid-week, he took a 14+ hour drive to get back to his team and didn't miss a game. Kid has tremendouse determinations, and is a pretty damn good receiver to boot!! We could certainly do worse then him for sure. |
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