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Post by Zimonami on Apr 18, 2024 15:13:51 GMT -5
The biggest issues with Jones have been his inability to understand where the blitz is coming which does make it seem like he doesn't understand what the defense is doing. I don't even know if he changes the plays to match up with what the defense is showing but without that the offense isn't putting the players in the best position to succeed and the results are what we've witnessed these past few years. Basically I don't think it matters how good his physical skills are if he can't understand what the defenses are throwing at him meaning he can be shut down which we have also seen makes it easy to defend even by rookie CBs. Right. And from the 6 games he played last year, he seemed more clueless than any earlier year. Showed no improvement thru experience. Looked like a rookie when it came to reading the D. Was very sirprising to me that he 'devolved' as I called it. His demeanor and actions betrayed a lack of confidence in his line and himself. He does have the tools, but has a suspect neck that is something to be concerned about |
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Post by mendy on Apr 18, 2024 15:23:54 GMT -5
The biggest issues with Jones have been his inability to understand where the blitz is coming which does make it seem like he doesn't understand what the defense is doing. I don't even know if he changes the plays to match up with what the defense is showing but without that the offense isn't putting the players in the best position to succeed and the results are what we've witnessed these past few years. Basically I don't think it matters how good his physical skills are if he can't understand what the defenses are throwing at him meaning he can be shut down which we have also seen makes it easy to defend even by rookie CBs. Right. And from the 6 games he played last year, he seemed more clueless than any earlier year. Showed no improvement thru experience. Looked like a rookie when it came to reading the D. Was very sirprising to me that he 'devolved' as I called it. His demeanor and actions betrayed a lack of confidence in his line and himself. He does have the tools, but has a suspect neck that is something to be concerned about I'm disagreeing with both of you. I think he was as surprised to exactly how bad the team around him was. Please understand he was bad last year but the whole team was. The man was alone on an Island I will constantly point out 17 sacks in 7 Days enough to throw any QB off their game. He has been accused of not reading the Blitz , well when it's coming from everywhere reading it doesn't matter. |
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Post by vinnie on Apr 18, 2024 15:41:05 GMT -5
The biggest issues with Jones have been his inability to understand where the blitz is coming which does make it seem like he doesn't understand what the defense is doing. I don't even know if he changes the plays to match up with what the defense is showing but without that the offense isn't putting the players in the best position to succeed and the results are what we've witnessed these past few years. Basically I don't think it matters how good his physical skills are if he can't understand what the defenses are throwing at him meaning he can be shut down which we have also seen makes it easy to defend even by rookie CBs. Right. And from the 6 games he played last year, he seemed more clueless than any earlier year. Showed no improvement thru experience. Looked like a rookie when it came to reading the D. Was very sirprising to me that he 'devolved' as I called it. His demeanor and actions betrayed a lack of confidence in his line and himself. He does have the tools, but has a suspect neck that is something to be concerned about Not even joking here, he may have the physical tools but the most important tool for an NFL QB is their mental tool and he’s severely lacking. If he didn’t get it after 5 years, it’s not going to change with a new O line or WR. Pressure or no pressure, he makes the same mistakes today as he did as a rookie whether it be staring down receivers, not being able to read the defense, no pocket awareness, not knowing when or how to slide, not knowing when to throw the ball away or get out of bounds, not going through his progressions…these are all mental errors and nothing has changed in 5 years nor will it change in year 6. If anything, he got to where he’s at based off his athleticism not his brain (football brain). |
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Post by Zimonami on Apr 18, 2024 16:55:59 GMT -5
Right. And from the 6 games he played last year, he seemed more clueless than any earlier year. Showed no improvement thru experience. Looked like a rookie when it came to reading the D. Was very sirprising to me that he 'devolved' as I called it. His demeanor and actions betrayed a lack of confidence in his line and himself. He does have the tools, but has a suspect neck that is something to be concerned about Not even joking here, he may have the physical tools but the most important tool for an NFL QB is their mental tool and he’s severely lacking. If he didn’t get it after 5 years, it’s not going to change with a new O line or WR. Pressure or no pressure, he makes the same mistakes today as he did as a rookie whether it be staring down receivers, not being able to read the defense, no pocket awareness, not knowing when or how to slide, not knowing when to throw the ball away or get out of bounds, not going through his progressions…these are all mental errors and nothing has changed in 5 years nor will it change in year 6. If anything, he got to where he’s at based off his athleticism not his brain (football brain). We'll know for sure at the end of this next season. Much to your unhappiness he's going to get a chance to prove you wrong. |
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Post by vinnie on Apr 18, 2024 18:10:45 GMT -5
Not even joking here, he may have the physical tools but the most important tool for an NFL QB is their mental tool and he’s severely lacking. If he didn’t get it after 5 years, it’s not going to change with a new O line or WR. Pressure or no pressure, he makes the same mistakes today as he did as a rookie whether it be staring down receivers, not being able to read the defense, no pocket awareness, not knowing when or how to slide, not knowing when to throw the ball away or get out of bounds, not going through his progressions…these are all mental errors and nothing has changed in 5 years nor will it change in year 6. If anything, he got to where he’s at based off his athleticism not his brain (football brain). We'll know for sure at the end of this next season. Much to your unhappiness he's going to get a chance to prove you wrong. Oh, I know he’ll get a chance to prove me wrong and I expect he’ll be average. We’ll probably win 6-8 games against shitty teams and it will be primarily due to the defense but DJ will get the credit. Then his fans will say “wait until next year” and the cycle will continue. |
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Post by DJones19 on Apr 18, 2024 18:44:12 GMT -5
He isn't gun shy he was sent into a gunfight without any bullets.
Give Danny some ammo and watch him turn into Rambo.
We saw it happen with Alex Smith, Geno Smith, Steve Young, Jared Goff..the list goes on...all goes written off as busts or not good to go on to big time players or Hall of Famers. Or Eli with Nicks, Cruz, or Beckham vs without.
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 18, 2024 18:47:30 GMT -5
He isn't gun shy he was sent into a gunfight without any bullets. Give Danny some ammo and watch him turn into Rambo. We saw it happen with Alex Smith, Geno Smith, Steve Young, Jared Goff..the list goes on...all goes written off as busts or not good to go on to big time players or Hall of Famers. Or Eli with Nicks, Cruz, or Beckham vs without. haha your man crush is a bit silly HOF. Can we drag him onto the field 1st? |
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Post by mendy on Apr 18, 2024 19:26:08 GMT -5
He isn't gun shy he was sent into a gunfight without any bullets. Give Danny some ammo and watch him turn into Rambo. We saw it happen with Alex Smith, Geno Smith, Steve Young, Jared Goff..the list goes on...all goes written off as busts or not good to go on to big time players or Hall of Famers. Or Eli with Nicks, Cruz, or Beckham vs without. While I agree with your sentiment Jones should not be mentioned in the same breath as any HOFer. |
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Post by cja60 on Apr 18, 2024 19:32:01 GMT -5
I happen to agree that DJ can play...The question that I would like to ask with the O-Lines & weapons that DJ has had could Mahomes, Allen, Hurts fair any better? Hate to say it watch what Saquon does this year.....
Maybe I'm way off base with my thinking.....But time will tell.
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 18, 2024 20:02:00 GMT -5
I happen to agree that DJ can play...The question that I would like to ask with the O-Lines & weapons that DJ has had could Mahomes, Allen, Hurts fair any better? Hate to say it watch what Saquon does this year..... Maybe I'm way off base with my thinking.....But time will tell. I think Mahommes and Allen mentally are different. They have gunslinger mentality and better instincts in the pocket. They dictate want the defense does. Dj has a game mangers mentality and needs a lot of work on his pocket presence. DJ takes what the defense gives him. Physically they are pretty much all around the same maybe DJ is faster, Allen has stronger arm and Mahomes can throw off platform better. |
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Post by ocgiant on Apr 18, 2024 20:30:58 GMT -5
I just think DJ gets the nod for '24 and then see how Lock & DJ look in camp with 2 back-ups going at each other, LOL.
Now with a #1 WR and potentially a QB selected in round 2 it could be a real interesting season as to what the team begins to really look like going forward.
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Post by jimmieray on Apr 18, 2024 20:43:22 GMT -5
I happen to agree that DJ can play...The question that I would like to ask with the O-Lines & weapons that DJ has had could Mahomes, Allen, Hurts fair any better? Hate to say it watch what Saquon does this year..... Maybe I'm way off base with my thinking.....But time will tell. I think Mahommes and Allen mentally are different. They have gunslinger mentality and better instincts in the pocket. They dictate want the defense does. Dj has a game mangers mentality and needs a lot of work on his pocket presence. DJ takes what the defense gives him. Physically they are pretty much all around the same maybe DJ is faster, Allen has stronger arm and Mahomes can throw off platform better. Nice to see a considerate reply to someone new, who doesn't realize yet how his post just made some heads so hot you could fry an egg on them. |
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Post by giantbob71 on Apr 19, 2024 2:12:36 GMT -5
Ahhhh....the offseason! When every Cowgirl fan thinks they're just months away from winning a SB and DJ fans are posting about how great he COULD be SOMEDAY. Remember this time last year...DJ was worthy of the "team friendly" deal, was ready to take the next step, and Waller was just the target he needed to be great?
Then the season starts...and reality sets in. It's probably the best thing about living in DFW and the worst thing about being a Giants fan.
There's not a starting QB on the Giants' roster. Is giving DJ a 6th year tryout worth an additional $23 million?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 19, 2024 5:13:40 GMT -5
has he been beat up so much over the course of his career that he is now "gun shy"? I know I may be in the very small minority here, but if the above is not the case, he's given receiving weapons, and more than 1.5 seconds when he drops back...I still feel he can be a very good QB. I've watched his films from college and it was almost comical the receivers had to work with. He was throwing dimes (no pun) and his Wr's were Featherstone from the movie Necessary Roughness. Just criminal. We've seen that he can make all the NFL-required passes near and far. He's is one of the best running qb's in the league (when the turf monster doesn't get him). He's improved on his turnovers every year. I feel like its just become almost en vogue to s--t on him. I would not be surprised if he serves up some humble pie to many folks this year. Whether I'm right or wrong...I'm now on record  . The one thing that is a big issue is can he get back to staying in there and not seeing ghosts, thats what a lot of us or even the analyst don't account for once that starts to happen he can have 2 .5 seconds but his clock is set to 1.5 or 2 and he misses some open opportunities while there is still time. At Duke he was pummeled much like here and delivered good balls under heavy pressure has just gotten to be to much it has been counting college 7-8 years of getting his ass kicked physically and mentally |
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Post by ratbastich on Apr 19, 2024 14:29:47 GMT -5
Ahhhh....the offseason! When every Cowgirl fan thinks they're just months away from winning a SB and DJ fans are posting about how great he COULD be SOMEDAY. Remember this time last year...DJ was worthy of the "team friendly" deal, was ready to take the next step, and Waller was just the target he needed to be great? Then the season starts...and reality sets in. It's probably the best thing about living in DFW and the worst thing about being a Giants fan. There's not a starting QB on the Giants' roster. Is giving DJ a 6th year tryout worth an additional $23 million? The bolded is both figurative and literal. I was hopeful coming into the season but the doors getting blown off so quickly in the first game soured me the rest of the season. Even when companies demolish buildings they don't collapse so fast and complete. |
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Post by Jomo on Apr 19, 2024 15:20:47 GMT -5
has he been beat up so much over the course of his career that he is now "gun shy"? I know I may be in the very small minority here, but if the above is not the case, he's given receiving weapons, and more than 1.5 seconds when he drops back...I still feel he can be a very good QB. I've watched his films from college and it was almost comical the receivers had to work with. He was throwing dimes (no pun) and his Wr's were Featherstone from the movie Necessary Roughness. Just criminal. We've seen that he can make all the NFL-required passes near and far. He's is one of the best running qb's in the league (when the turf monster doesn't get him). He's improved on his turnovers every year. I feel like its just become almost en vogue to s--t on him. I would not be surprised if he serves up some humble pie to many folks this year. Whether I'm right or wrong...I'm now on record . I don't think that's the right question because he had the crap beat out of him in college and all of his NFL career. I haven't seen any resulting hesitation. Why would that show up now? I think a better question is, can he hold up physically this year and beyond. |
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Post by Modog on Apr 19, 2024 18:30:44 GMT -5
I have the ability to sleep with Gal Gadot...the question is will I?
It's been 5 years, at this point we know what Dan Jones is. If your still unsure, then I don't know what else to tell you that hasn't been said already
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 20, 2024 6:49:48 GMT -5
has he been beat up so much over the course of his career that he is now "gun shy"? I know I may be in the very small minority here, but if the above is not the case, he's given receiving weapons, and more than 1.5 seconds when he drops back...I still feel he can be a very good QB. I've watched his films from college and it was almost comical the receivers had to work with. He was throwing dimes (no pun) and his Wr's were Featherstone from the movie Necessary Roughness. Just criminal. We've seen that he can make all the NFL-required passes near and far. He's is one of the best running qb's in the league (when the turf monster doesn't get him). He's improved on his turnovers every year. I feel like its just become almost en vogue to s--t on him. I would not be surprised if he serves up some humble pie to many folks this year. Whether I'm right or wrong...I'm now on record . I don't know. But even Mara has said that they might have ruined him. This will probably be the last year for him to prove everybody wrong. If they are fortunate enough to get the QB they really have conviction in it is a matter of time he will be auditioning for the NFL hoping for a prove it deal. If not he has little chance because it's a strong possibility that if Drew Lock learns the offense something he has had trouble with since college but it he gets it done Jones will give way to him unless Lock straight up starts the season and plays really well then it might be over before it starts. |
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Post by mendy on Apr 20, 2024 7:23:44 GMT -5
I happen to agree that DJ can play...The question that I would like to ask with the O-Lines & weapons that DJ has had could Mahomes, Allen, Hurts fair any better? Hate to say it watch what Saquon does this year..... Maybe I'm way off base with my thinking.....But time will tell. I think Mahommes and Allen mentally are different. They have gunslinger mentality and better instincts in the pocket. They dictate want the defense does. Dj has a game mangers mentality and needs a lot of work on his pocket presence. DJ takes what the defense gives him. Physically they are pretty much all around the same maybe DJ is faster, Allen has stronger arm and Mahomes can throw off platform better. Not saying you're wrong but if what you say is true then you have to look at the reason behind it. That would be the team around them, Mahomes and Allen have had a much different cast to work with then Jones that's just a fact that has to be added in when talking about the QB's. |
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Post by krappdetector on Apr 20, 2024 8:45:36 GMT -5
has he been beat up so much over the course of his career that he is now "gun shy"? I know I may be in the very small minority here, but if the above is not the case, he's given receiving weapons, and more than 1.5 seconds when he drops back...I still feel he can be a very good QB. I've watched his films from college and it was almost comical the receivers had to work with. He was throwing dimes (no pun) and his Wr's were Featherstone from the movie Necessary Roughness. Just criminal. We've seen that he can make all the NFL-required passes near and far. He's is one of the best running qb's in the league (when the turf monster doesn't get him). He's improved on his turnovers every year. I feel like its just become almost en vogue to s--t on him. I would not be surprised if he serves up some humble pie to many folks this year. Whether I'm right or wrong...I'm now on record . You've made a great, boldly hopeful case.. and it's quite true that DJ has not had the greatest team to work within. He has been destroyed, mutilated, tainted as it were by the worst offensive line in history. Perhaps in all of sports. But we must not throw in the towel so soon because his talent is unquestionable .. sort of like his height. Unless he is given another all-pro OT and a pro-bowl WR1 who can separate at a level that can be discerned by a 5'4" woman in FL, he has no chance in hell of success; he will be hobbled and his failure will be on .. I guess everyone. But things are changing and WILL change for the better with this draft. I feel it. So lets GIVE HIM A CHANCE.. or three.. and let him play out his contract. He deserves no less. And if, by 2027 he has not thrown for at least 15 TDs per yr (a 20% improvement!) - we must then move on. |
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Post by DandyDon on Apr 20, 2024 9:15:28 GMT -5
I don't know. But even Mara has said that they might have ruined him. This will probably be the last year for him to prove everybody wrong. If they are fortunate enough to get the QB they really have conviction in it is a matter of time he will be auditioning for the NFL hoping for a prove it deal. If not he has little chance because it's a strong possibility that if Drew Lock learns the offense something he has had trouble with since college but it he gets it done Jones will give way to him unless Lock straight up starts the season and plays really well then it might be over before it starts. According to everything that has been said by the Giants, DJ is will start the season if healthy. |
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Post by Roosevelt on Apr 20, 2024 9:32:09 GMT -5
The biggest issues with Jones have been his inability to understand where the blitz is coming which does make it seem like he doesn't understand what the defense is doing. I don't even know if he changes the plays to match up with what the defense is showing but without that the offense isn't putting the players in the best position to succeed and the results are what we've witnessed these past few years. Basically I don't think it matters how good his physical skills are if he can't understand what the defenses are throwing at him meaning he can be shut down which we have also seen makes it easy to defend even by rookie CBs. Rich Gannon spoke about this. Two things. First, he’s a product of Duke. Football intelligence is not Daniel Jones’ problem. And lastly, the Giants have not allowed him to change the play according to Rich. |
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 20, 2024 9:43:21 GMT -5
I think Mahommes and Allen mentally are different. They have gunslinger mentality and better instincts in the pocket. They dictate want the defense does. Dj has a game mangers mentality and needs a lot of work on his pocket presence. DJ takes what the defense gives him. Physically they are pretty much all around the same maybe DJ is faster, Allen has stronger arm and Mahomes can throw off platform better. Not saying you're wrong but if what you say is true then you have to look at the reason behind it. That would be the team around them, Mahomes and Allen have had a much different cast to work with then Jones that's just a fact that has to be added in when talking about the QB's. The pocket presence and quick decisions making really make everyone on offense better. When you have a general on the field that knows what the opposition is doing you can play offense instead of defense. Dj just is lacking in these areas until he fixes them you need all pros everywhere on offense. Does DJ need help ? Sure he does. Will it make him a better QB? I dont know. I think it will just expose how average he is. He lacks the instincts and quick thinking to me so far. Mahommes has slowly lost his player makers hill, his rb , his left tackle, he even has toney dropping passes all over the place but he still figures out how to score touchdowns and win games. Allens WRs went MIA the second half of the season and he figured it out with his second year players. A bad kicker prevented him from playing in the Superbowl. Good QBs with a gunslinger mentality play to win. Cj Stroud and Jordan love have injuries on thier oline and to thier WRs they chug along and figure it out. They are trucks that pull the team. They elevate everyone around them with thier quick decisions. Game managers play not to fcuk up because they are afraid or hesitate to make a decisions. These guys are trailers and need to be pulled by the rest of the team. The fact we are still debating about DJ 6 years later means he really is not the guy. |
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Post by vinnie on Apr 20, 2024 10:08:44 GMT -5
The biggest issues with Jones have been his inability to understand where the blitz is coming which does make it seem like he doesn't understand what the defense is doing. I don't even know if he changes the plays to match up with what the defense is showing but without that the offense isn't putting the players in the best position to succeed and the results are what we've witnessed these past few years. Basically I don't think it matters how good his physical skills are if he can't understand what the defenses are throwing at him meaning he can be shut down which we have also seen makes it easy to defend even by rookie CBs. Rich Gannon spoke about this. Two things. First, he’s a product of Duke. Football intelligence is not Daniel Jones’ problem. And lastly, the Giants have not allowed him to change the play according to Rich. Playing at Duke doesn’t make someone football smart, I’d actually argue it hampers them or covers for their ineptitude based on their level of competition. Did you watch his senior year at Duke, he was constantly throwing into double and triple coverage, not checking down when he should have, not reading the defense…the same shit he still does. DJ may be a smart dude when it comes to non football subjects, he’s actually probably very smart, but I would trust most SEC, Big 12, Pac 10 QB’s football intelligence over a Duke QB, even if those other QB’s are dumb as a box of rocks off the field. Why do you think they haven’t let him change the play? Whenever someone questions a coaches decision related to a player, I always hear “the coaches know the players better than we do, they work with them every day”. Based on that logic, if anything, Dabs not letting him change the play only confirms he doesn’t trust DJ’s judgement and he does actually have a lower football IQ then his few supporters give him credit for. |
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Post by Roosevelt on Apr 20, 2024 10:18:50 GMT -5
For years there have been reasons why DJ hasn’t performed to draft expectations. I think a lot of those reasons have been valid. I’ve always rooted for DJ and have wanted him to have the opportunities to be what he was suppose to be. But it’s 2024 and we’re now at the point that the team needs to move on from DJ regardless of whether he’s been given a fair situation to perform in or not. I supported JS and Dabs basically operating as if DJ’s first two years with them were the only two years that mattered. But in 2024 he’s a scary injury risk. He can’t claim unfamiliarity with the playbook or an offence ill designed for his skill set, you reach a point that the reasons why no longer matter. I can totally relate to the reasons no longer mattering aspect to this. The fact is that the Giants and Jones tried and it just hasn’t worked out. From that aspect alone it seems like it may serve both parties well to go their separate ways. With that said, the Giants are tied to Jones for at least this year so he’s going to have this one last opportunity to prove himself. The Giants prioritized Oline in free agency so that bodes well no matter who’s behind center and my guess is they must prioritize WR and/or TE as well. |
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Post by Roosevelt on Apr 20, 2024 10:23:27 GMT -5
Rich Gannon spoke about this. Two things. First, he’s a product of Duke. Football intelligence is not Daniel Jones’ problem. And lastly, the Giants have not allowed him to change the play according to Rich. Playing at Duke doesn’t make someone football smart, I’d actually argue it hampers them or covers for their ineptitude based on their level of competition. Did you watch his senior year at Duke, he was constantly throwing into double and triple coverage, not checking down when he should have, not reading the defense…the same shit he still does. DJ may be a smart dude when it comes to non football subjects, he’s actually probably very smart, but I would trust most SEC, Big 12, Pac 10 QB’s football intelligence over a Duke QB, even if those other QB’s are dumb as a box of rocks off the field. Why do you think they haven’t let him change the play? Whenever someone questions a coaches decision related to a player, I always hear “the coaches know the players better than we do, they work with them every day”. Based on that logic, if anything, Dabs not letting him change the play only confirms he doesn’t trust DJ’s judgement and he does actually have a lower football IQ then his few supporters give him credit for. Those are valid points for sure. It only makes sense that if Jones was that smart that you would trust him with that added responsibility. I didn’t watch him in college but I think we’ve seen that aspect of Jones you described. When he gets frustrated he can play with a **** it attitude which hurts the team. |
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Post by McCherry on Apr 20, 2024 10:25:31 GMT -5
The biggest issues with Jones have been his inability to understand where the blitz is coming which does make it seem like he doesn't understand what the defense is doing. I don't even know if he changes the plays to match up with what the defense is showing but without that the offense isn't putting the players in the best position to succeed and the results are what we've witnessed these past few years. Basically I don't think it matters how good his physical skills are if he can't understand what the defenses are throwing at him meaning he can be shut down which we have also seen makes it easy to defend even by rookie CBs. Rich Gannon spoke about this. Two things. First, he’s a product of Duke. Football intelligence is not Daniel Jones’ problem. And lastly, the Giants have not allowed him to change the play according to Rich. Was Gannon saying Jones isn't allowed to audible? Because that's not correct. Jones’ animated fourth-quarter exchange with QB coach Shea Tierney and head coach Brian Daboll, it turns out, happened because Jones changed offensive coordinator Mike Kafka’s play at the line and called his number for the go-ahead QB sneak touchdown.
Jones told the Daily News he saw a “good look” to plunge in from 1-yard out, rather than handing the ball off. And he was assuring Tierney and Daboll on the sideline afterward that he trusts what he sees.
www.nydailynews.com/2022/10/28/daniel-jones-audible-at-goal-line-fired-up-giants-qb-and-coaches/ |
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Post by mendy on Apr 20, 2024 10:27:30 GMT -5
For years there have been reasons why DJ hasn’t performed to draft expectations. I think a lot of those reasons have been valid. I’ve always rooted for DJ and have wanted him to have the opportunities to be what he was suppose to be. But it’s 2024 and we’re now at the point that the team needs to move on from DJ regardless of whether he’s been given a fair situation to perform in or not. I supported JS and Dabs basically operating as if DJ’s first two years with them were the only two years that mattered. But in 2024 he’s a scary injury risk. He can’t claim unfamiliarity with the playbook or an offence ill designed for his skill set, you reach a point that the reasons why no longer matter. I can totally relate to the reasons no longer mattering aspect to this. The fact is that the Giants and Jones tried and it just hasn’t worked out. From that aspect alone it seems like it may serve both parties well to go their separate ways. With that said, the Giants are tied to Jones for at least this year so he’s going to have this one last opportunity to prove himself. The Giants prioritized Oline in free agency so that bodes well no matter who’s behind center and my guess is they must prioritize WR and/or TE as well. I understand the thought here but I will throw this out(and get shit every time I do) , Simms didn't become the Simms we all love till Season 6 of his career after he was benched by the Coach we all love the year before. Yes Jones has to play well/better, the entire team does is my point. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 20, 2024 10:47:47 GMT -5
If they are fortunate enough to get the QB they really have conviction in it is a matter of time he will be auditioning for the NFL hoping for a prove it deal. If not he has little chance because it's a strong possibility that if Drew Lock learns the offense something he has had trouble with since college but it he gets it done Jones will give way to him unless Lock straight up starts the season and plays really well then it might be over before it starts. According to everything that has been said by the Giants, DJ is will start the season if healthy. If healthy is the big if. His legs are a big part of his game pretty high percentage of his production is through his mobility to escape pressure or just run it. |
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 20, 2024 10:54:41 GMT -5
Rich Gannon spoke about this. Two things. First, he’s a product of Duke. Football intelligence is not Daniel Jones’ problem. And lastly, the Giants have not allowed him to change the play according to Rich. Playing at Duke doesn’t make someone football smart, I’d actually argue it hampers them or covers for their ineptitude based on their level of competition. Did you watch his senior year at Duke, he was constantly throwing into double and triple coverage, not checking down when he should have, not reading the defense…the same shit he still does. DJ may be a smart dude when it comes to non football subjects, he’s actually probably very smart, but I would trust most SEC, Big 12, Pac 10 QB’s football intelligence over a Duke QB, even if those other QB’s are dumb as a box of rocks off the field. Why do you think they haven’t let him change the play? Whenever someone questions a coaches decision related to a player, I always hear “the coaches know the players better than we do, they work with them every day”. Based on that logic, if anything, Dabs not letting him change the play only confirms he doesn’t trust DJ’s judgement and he does actually have a lower football IQ then his few supporters give him credit for. So True. I work with people that are credentialed from ivy league schools and very smart and are certified in various field of expertise. In a controlled environment these guys can digest information and pass tests. Now these same guys put in a real world situation where they have to make decision fail because they can't digest all the information in that situation fast enoughto respond with a solution. They freeze. It like the toilet desinger vs plumber. Knowing information and applying it are different. This board is filled with smart guys who know football. It is easy to make decsion for a GM or QB after the fact with information by talking head or ex players. Much harder to make a decision in real-time as a GM or coach or worse a QB during the ultimate chaotic situations during games. QBs that excel make chaotic sitiuations on the field thier home. Leaders learn how to be comfortable in umcomfortable environments. DJ very rarely looks comfortable on field to me. Everything looks laborious and robotic when he is under center. |
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