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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 27, 2024 13:13:46 GMT -5
Pretty much all of the analysts say he's a good player. If he can be a solid 3rd CB for us his rookie year, and go on from there, he's a good pick. We'll see, as with all picks, lol...I still would have preferred Beebe personally, last time I'll complain about it though... Beebe is a good player you can complain about it just they loaded the Barn don't want to have to cut or expose your 4th or 3rd round pick on the practice squad. From what I've read about Phillips since we made the pick, there is no way he'll be a PS candidate, should be a contributor to our secondary rotation, probably won't be starting though, and given our TE situation, I'd say Theo will be getting a lot of playing time.
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Post by vinnie on Apr 27, 2024 13:46:30 GMT -5
Don't worry about the kid in the 3rd he has a good rep in the scouting community from what I have read he is a tough kid with some good hips and will support the run D like a safety he wants it. just like any CB he is gonna have some developing to do but he has the attitude and traits to be really good inside outside flex. Pretty much all of the analysts say he's a good player. If he can be a solid 3rd CB for us his rookie year, and go on from there, he's a good pick. We'll see, as with all picks, lol...I still would have preferred Beebe personally, last time I'll complain about it though... All the analysts also said Neal was a good player and are constantly wrong about the quarterbacks so I take their opinion with a grain of salt. I’m 100% with you on Beebe and for the others yes I’m aware of our FA O line acquisitions and yes I’m aware of our needs at CB. It was extra salt in the wound when dallas took him. Dallas nails almost every O line pick and has had a top 10 O line, best overall in some years, for over a decade. Their O line was crumbling and was a major area of concern for their fans this year and they seemingly rebuilt it in one draft whereas as we have spent multiple 1st and 2nd round picks over the years and have still consistently had one of the worst in the league. Granted, this is all on paper and they’ll have two rookies probably starting this season but getting Beebe in the third was larceny IMO. I think he’ll be a quality starter for 8-10 years if he stays healthy, hope I’m dead wrong. Their tackle may have some growing pains but he has a lot of potential.
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Post by GameTime on Apr 27, 2024 13:47:00 GMT -5
seem like an average player at bet who didn't anything exceptionally well. Wonder what they were thinking here.
Oh well. Welcome to the team
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 27, 2024 13:58:35 GMT -5
Pretty much all of the analysts say he's a good player. If he can be a solid 3rd CB for us his rookie year, and go on from there, he's a good pick. We'll see, as with all picks, lol...I still would have preferred Beebe personally, last time I'll complain about it though... All the analysts also said Neal was a good player and are constantly wrong about the quarterbacks so I take their opinion with a grain of salt. I’m 100% with you on Beebe and for the others yes I’m aware of our FA O line acquisitions and yes I’m aware of our needs at CB. It was extra salt in the wound when dallas took him. Dallas nails almost every O line pick and has had a top 10 O line, best overall in some years, for over a decade. Their O line was crumbling and was a major area of concern for their fans this year and they seemingly rebuilt it in one draft whereas as we have spent multiple 1st and 2nd round picks over the years and have still consistently had one of the worst in the league. Granted, this is all on paper and they’ll have two rookies probably starting this season but getting Beebe in the third was larceny IMO. I think he’ll be a quality starter for 8-10 years if he stays healthy, hope I’m dead wrong. Their tackle may have some growing pains but he has a lot of potential. can't argue with any of this...
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 27, 2024 14:06:59 GMT -5
Beebe is a good player you can complain about it just they loaded the Barn don't want to have to cut or expose your 4th or 3rd round pick on the practice squad. From what I've read about Phillips since we made the pick, there is no way he'll be a PS candidate, should be a contributor to our secondary rotation, probably won't be starting though, and given our TE situation, I'd say Theo will be getting a lot of playing time. I meant Beebe because of the Glut of OLs they drafted the last couple years and add they brought 4 in in free agency.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 27, 2024 14:12:19 GMT -5
Pretty much all of the analysts say he's a good player. If he can be a solid 3rd CB for us his rookie year, and go on from there, he's a good pick. We'll see, as with all picks, lol...I still would have preferred Beebe personally, last time I'll complain about it though... All the analysts also said Neal was a good player and are constantly wrong about the quarterbacks so I take their opinion with a grain of salt. I’m 100% with you on Beebe and for the others yes I’m aware of our FA O line acquisitions and yes I’m aware of our needs at CB. It was extra salt in the wound when dallas took him. Dallas nails almost every O line pick and has had a top 10 O line, best overall in some years, for over a decade. Their O line was crumbling and was a major area of concern for their fans this year and they seemingly rebuilt it in one draft whereas as we have spent multiple 1st and 2nd round picks over the years and have still consistently had one of the worst in the league. Granted, this is all on paper and they’ll have two rookies probably starting this season but getting Beebe in the third was larceny IMO. I think he’ll be a quality starter for 8-10 years if he stays healthy, hope I’m dead wrong. Their tackle may have some growing pains but he has a lot of potential. I'm telling you Beebe is good but he has Athletic issues and arm length issues 31 " I hope he starts for them when we play the Dexter has 9 inches on him. Not sure how a player overcomes length issues when the are battling athleticism issues to maybe he kills it don't see it he makes Jason Kelce look like stretch arm strong he was dropping for those reasons.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 27, 2024 14:17:54 GMT -5
seem like an average player at bet who didn't anything exceptionally well. Wonder what they were thinking here. Oh well. Welcome to the team Phillips or Johnson don't think either will be a practice squad player definitely not Phillips dude will probably start as our Nickel and possibly move out side also. Johnson needs to learn but he will have a role to start.
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Post by vinnie on Apr 27, 2024 14:25:10 GMT -5
All the analysts also said Neal was a good player and are constantly wrong about the quarterbacks so I take their opinion with a grain of salt. I’m 100% with you on Beebe and for the others yes I’m aware of our FA O line acquisitions and yes I’m aware of our needs at CB. It was extra salt in the wound when dallas took him. Dallas nails almost every O line pick and has had a top 10 O line, best overall in some years, for over a decade. Their O line was crumbling and was a major area of concern for their fans this year and they seemingly rebuilt it in one draft whereas as we have spent multiple 1st and 2nd round picks over the years and have still consistently had one of the worst in the league. Granted, this is all on paper and they’ll have two rookies probably starting this season but getting Beebe in the third was larceny IMO. I think he’ll be a quality starter for 8-10 years if he stays healthy, hope I’m dead wrong. Their tackle may have some growing pains but he has a lot of potential. I'm telling you Beebe is good but he has Athletic issues and arm length issues 31 " I hope he starts for them when we play the Dexter has 9 inches on him. Not sure how a player overcomes length issues when the are battling athleticism issues to maybe he kills it don't see it he makes Jason Kelce look like stretch arm strong he was dropping for those reasons. I almost mentioned his T rex arms, that would be his biggest disadvantage but O linemen have overcome that before. I liked Beebe so much I used in my avatar!
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 27, 2024 14:25:47 GMT -5
I'm telling you Beebe is good but he has Athletic issues and arm length issues 31 " I hope he starts for them when we play the Dexter has 9 inches on him. Not sure how a player overcomes length issues when the are battling athleticism issues to maybe he kills it don't see it he makes Jason Kelce look like stretch arm strong he was dropping for those reasons. I almost mentioned his T rex arms, that would be his biggest disadvantage but O linemen have overcome that before. I liked Beebe so much I used in my avatar!
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 27, 2024 14:31:29 GMT -5
I'm telling you Beebe is good but he has Athletic issues and arm length issues 31 " I hope he starts for them when we play the Dexter has 9 inches on him. Not sure how a player overcomes length issues when the are battling athleticism issues to maybe he kills it don't see it he makes Jason Kelce look like stretch arm strong he was dropping for those reasons. I almost mentioned his T rex arms, that would be his biggest disadvantage but O linemen have overcome that before. I liked Beebe so much I used in my avatar! LOL his arms make Pugh look like the rubber guy in Marvel he has my length of arms dexter can put has hand on his forehead and hold him their lol his athleticism is an issue also. I liked him a lot the one we really missed on was Jackson Powers Johnson he has undisclosed injury issue thats why he fell out of the first to teh second.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Apr 27, 2024 14:37:39 GMT -5
Nice call on this one!
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Post by Merlin on Apr 27, 2024 15:57:22 GMT -5
seem like an average player at bet who didn't anything exceptionally well. Wonder what they were thinking here. Oh well. Welcome to the team Supposedly he was underutilized at Penn State as a receiver. But was able to show his capabilities at the Senior Bowl as they upped his usage. That seemed to convince Gmen of his potential.
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Post by Kase1 on Apr 27, 2024 16:03:39 GMT -5
Jaylen Wright Brandon Dorlus TJ Tampa
3 guys I would have taken over Theo Johnson, but TJ is a decent TE option. His route running leaves something to be desired, but outside of that, he's a pretty complete TE. I'm looking to seeing him on the field
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Post by TEM on Apr 27, 2024 16:19:46 GMT -5
Jaylen Wright Brandon Dorlus TJ Tampa 3 guys I would have taken over Theo Johnson, but TJ is a decent TE option. His route running leaves something to be desired, but outside of that, he's a pretty complete TE. I'm looking to seeing him on the field I agree, to meet seems we let a bunch of good players slide. I hope the FO made good choices. I know they had more need than picks. Let see how it goes and let play out now.
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Post by southerner on Apr 27, 2024 16:50:25 GMT -5
Johnson is bigger and better than Bellinger, and Waller is retiring (Thank God, that was a waste of money).
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Post by Kase1 on Apr 27, 2024 17:07:43 GMT -5
Jaylen Wright Brandon Dorlus TJ Tampa 3 guys I would have taken over Theo Johnson, but TJ is a decent TE option. His route running leaves something to be desired, but outside of that, he's a pretty complete TE. I'm looking to seeing him on the field I agree, to meet seems we let a bunch of good players slide. I hope the FO made good choices. I know they had more need than picks. Let see how it goes and let play out now. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the pick and I'm nit pick8ng, but that's what separates an A+ draft from a B or B+ draft
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 27, 2024 17:31:22 GMT -5
I agree, to meet seems we let a bunch of good players slide. I hope the FO made good choices. I know they had more need than picks. Let see how it goes and let play out now. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the pick and I'm nit pick8ng, but that's what separates an A+ draft from a B or B+ draft opinion...
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Apr 27, 2024 19:18:02 GMT -5
Day three, jump on him but tonight we need a CB a S and really another OL more than we need a TE. Jomo you got 2 out of 3 right. That's a winner anywhere.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 27, 2024 19:19:16 GMT -5
Solid pick and solid player. He runs well and has good hands. Not much production other than scoring a bunch in the redzone. He is a handful though.
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Post by Kase1 on Apr 27, 2024 21:28:36 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the pick and I'm nit pick8ng, but that's what separates an A+ draft from a B or B+ draft opinion... 1000%
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Post by giants8493 on Apr 28, 2024 2:31:59 GMT -5
I guess we’ll find out! Pretty exciting prospect! Nice find! I honestly never clicked on this thread until they just drafted him because I thought “I don’t care, what are the chances we draft him anyways”. As soon as we drafted him, I thought “holy shit”, lol. I love his physical stats and everything about him, I think him and Bellinger could cause problems. I like this pick a lot more than our 3rd round pick, can’t wait to see him in action. On a side note, assuming the O line is at least close to average, I would think most NFL QB’s would do really well with this offensive roster. DJ has everything now, he better shine and not just be average or even slightly above if he’s truly going to be our franchise QB. if Jones gets 30 TDS if the line holds up is it worth it to keep Jones again?
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Post by GameTime on Apr 28, 2024 6:26:47 GMT -5
Johnson is bigger and better than Bellinger, and Waller is retiring (Thank God, that was a waste of money). we know that already? Daboll doesnt place great importance on TEs in his game plane overall. A draft like Johnson should fit in.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 28, 2024 7:19:46 GMT -5
Nice find! I honestly never clicked on this thread until they just drafted him because I thought “I don’t care, what are the chances we draft him anyways”. As soon as we drafted him, I thought “holy shit”, lol. I love his physical stats and everything about him, I think him and Bellinger could cause problems. I like this pick a lot more than our 3rd round pick, can’t wait to see him in action. On a side note, assuming the O line is at least close to average, I would think most NFL QB’s would do really well with this offensive roster. DJ has everything now, he better shine and not just be average or even slightly above if he’s truly going to be our franchise QB. if Jones gets 30 TDS if the line holds up is it worth it to keep Jones again? Depends on the alternatives
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 28, 2024 7:21:20 GMT -5
What I like about this draft and most of Schoen's picks they are either good value or right on target. I used to drive me nuts with Reese at times drafting guys that not another NFL team talked to or DG reaching because of need schoen is pretty spot on when it comes to value. I liked the draft well enough, but let’s be real … every pick was a need pick (maybe except for the 6th rounder)
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 28, 2024 9:16:25 GMT -5
What I like about this draft and most of Schoen's picks they are either good value or right on target. I used to drive me nuts with Reese at times drafting guys that not another NFL team talked to or DG reaching because of need schoen is pretty spot on when it comes to value. I liked the draft well enough, but let’s be real … every pick was a need pick (maybe except for the 6th rounder) The value worked out with our needs it also helps do that when you have several needs still no reaches that I could find. No picks like Mychal Thompson well our roster was circling the drain that was a UDFA at best and admitted not one NFL team reached out to him and Reese and company bagged that prize in the 5th lol.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 28, 2024 9:21:38 GMT -5
Nice find! I honestly never clicked on this thread until they just drafted him because I thought “I don’t care, what are the chances we draft him anyways”. As soon as we drafted him, I thought “holy shit”, lol. I love his physical stats and everything about him, I think him and Bellinger could cause problems. I like this pick a lot more than our 3rd round pick, can’t wait to see him in action. On a side note, assuming the O line is at least close to average, I would think most NFL QB’s would do really well with this offensive roster. DJ has everything now, he better shine and not just be average or even slightly above if he’s truly going to be our franchise QB. if Jones gets 30 TDS if the line holds up is it worth it to keep Jones again? I think Schoen has shown that when he does draft a QB it will be the one he wants and believes is gonna make the team a contender year in and year out so if he could have gotten Maye or Williams Jones would more than likely be finishing up his Giants career. If he could get his hands on a top flight talent tha he believes in he will do what EA did with Collins word is he talked to teh Bears in January for teh #1 pick they said no he went hard at the patriots and they said no so he was looking it just had to be the right one.
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Post by Martin on Apr 28, 2024 9:24:39 GMT -5
Johnson is bigger and better than Bellinger, and Waller is retiring (Thank God, that was a waste of money). we know that already? Daboll doesnt place great importance on TEs in his game plane overall. A draft like Johnson should fit in. Many of the higher level teams all have dynamic TEs. It's not a coincidence. It's time Dabol conforms to it.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 28, 2024 9:25:17 GMT -5
Johnson has traits worth betting on he is a developmental type where he will get a small pieces of meat at a time they did with Belly think he could have been just fine now he will have another guy who could do a little of everything.
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Post by vinnie on Apr 28, 2024 9:27:42 GMT -5
Nice find! I honestly never clicked on this thread until they just drafted him because I thought “I don’t care, what are the chances we draft him anyways”. As soon as we drafted him, I thought “holy shit”, lol. I love his physical stats and everything about him, I think him and Bellinger could cause problems. I like this pick a lot more than our 3rd round pick, can’t wait to see him in action. On a side note, assuming the O line is at least close to average, I would think most NFL QB’s would do really well with this offensive roster. DJ has everything now, he better shine and not just be average or even slightly above if he’s truly going to be our franchise QB. if Jones gets 30 TDS if the line holds up is it worth it to keep Jones again? Honestly, I’ll say I’m a bit of a hypocrite because I’ve used TD’s both for and against arguments because that’s what everyone else uses but I think it’s a lame stat. I still prefer the eye test. Jones (or any QB) could have 20 of 30 TD’s from throwing several 5 yard slants or screens to Nabers but miss wide open receivers downfield on other series and we end up punting. It’s the same reason I don’t put a lot of stock into total yards. I could throw 5 yard one read screens to Barkley all day, he takes off for 30 yards, and I get the credit. Ridiculous. Same goes for RB’s. Give the ball to the true workhorse all day who ran for 100 yards but give the ball to the bruiser within the 5-10 yard line and he ends up racking up TD’s. That happened with the ewok and Pollard a few years ago IIRC and some of his dumbass fans would use his TD numbers compared to Pollards to defend his worthless ass when Pollard did all the work.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 28, 2024 9:29:49 GMT -5
we know that already? Daboll doesnt place great importance on TEs in his game plane overall. A draft like Johnson should fit in. Many of the higher level teams all have dynamic TEs. It's not a coincidence. It's time Dabol conforms to it. I don't think he doesn't want to use the TE I think they don't mind developing they drafted a raw traitsy Dalton Knox in Buffalo he developed into a good 2 way guy in college he was a decent Blocking TE not a receiving threat but had the traits. Johnson and Bellinger are both that same guy they both could block in college were used sparingly in the pass, think they like the TE to come ready to block and with speed and traits to become receiving threats.
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