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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 7, 2018 21:58:36 GMT -5
All of you "Draft Barkley fans" had better pray that kid is the 2nd coming of Dan Marino or else the Barkley pick will look really foolish from QB hell give me a break. So far only Mayfield looks terrific from the qb class, and he was gone before we picked at 2. None of our scouts could find a consensus on the other ones and who could blame them? Darnold has completely sucked almost every game even bearing in mind the jets lack of talent, his decision making was egregious the last few weeks. Allen is hurt, Rosen has been the best of the rest so far, none look like Dan Marino so calm down. We chose the best overall player in the draft...and he absoloutely was. Giant fans would be going nuts if Darnold threw 6 passes to the other team 4 for picks for crying out loud especially if Barcley was doing what he's been doing for us at another team. 8 games and this is a fact... already... Saquon Barkley is 2nd in yards rushing, for rookies, behind an undrafted Phillip Lindsay. Not saying Lindsay is better or anything, but can we slow down on crowning Barkley anything yet? He is a phenomenal talent, and we all know "with a better OL he would dominate more ect" but lets see where his running style takes us beyond more than 8 games before saying he is the best overall player in the draft.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2018 22:11:13 GMT -5
All of you "Draft Barkley fans" had better pray that kid is the 2nd coming of Dan Marino or else the Barkley pick will look really foolish from QB hell I wasnt in the draft Barkley group, but, did you mean Knowshawn Marino? Dan is a QB... He will never live up to that status being a RB. He has to be the new Barry Sanders or even Gale Sayers to be worth the #2 pick. Or, everyone else in that class bombs. he is saying herbert better be the next marino or the barkley pick was foolish
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 7, 2018 22:29:54 GMT -5
I wasnt in the draft Barkley group, but, did you mean Knowshawn Marino? Dan is a QB... He will never live up to that status being a RB. He has to be the new Barry Sanders or even Gale Sayers to be worth the #2 pick. Or, everyone else in that class bombs. he is saying herbert better be the next marino or the barkley pick was foolish Aaaaahhhhh. Ok. I dont want Herbert. He will be more like the next Blake Bortles IMO.
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Post by Nite on Nov 7, 2018 22:57:16 GMT -5
We don't have to draft a QB next year! There are plenty retreads around to fill in for one year! Or Lauletta..You know the dude we drafted as a quarterback....
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Post by jaymas on Nov 7, 2018 23:01:24 GMT -5
I love Herbert.
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Post by allnygin on Nov 8, 2018 0:13:20 GMT -5
I haven't payed much attention just started getting around to watching some of these kids, Haven't been overly impressed, but like I said haven't watched much. Anyway, doesn't seem like theres much legit hype over any of these guys - Doesn't seem like the confidence is there that any of these guys could become great players in the NFL at least immediately . Then again there's plenty of season left to change that. I would say that if Gettlemen and CO went RB #2 overall last year they must've had a guy in there sights for QB this year, however, I don't see that being true either as they all anticipated eli rolling for another couple of years. So, none of this is good news being that QB is a pretty big concern going forward at this point.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Nov 8, 2018 0:21:14 GMT -5
All of you "Draft Barkley fans" had better pray that kid is the 2nd coming of Dan Marino or else the Barkley pick will look really foolish from QB hell I wasnt in the draft Barkley group, but, did you mean Knowshawn Marino? Dan is a QB... He will never live up to that status being a RB. He has to be the new Barry Sanders or even Gale Sayers to be worth the #2 pick. Or, everyone else in that class bombs. I meant. If you wanted Barkley, then you better hope Herbert is Marino because we passed up on a smooth QB transition. Harder to find a good QB than a RB...
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 8, 2018 0:30:17 GMT -5
I wasnt in the draft Barkley group, but, did you mean Knowshawn Marino? Dan is a QB... He will never live up to that status being a RB. He has to be the new Barry Sanders or even Gale Sayers to be worth the #2 pick. Or, everyone else in that class bombs. I meant. If you wanted Barkley, then you better hope Herbert is Marino because we passed up on a smooth QB transition. Harder to find a good QB than a RB... But that would presume that more than one of the QBs last year will be the new Marino otherwise what you're saying makes no sense at all. So, since Mayfield was gone, who is the other QB from last year that is the next Marino?
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Post by redeyejedi on Nov 8, 2018 6:07:32 GMT -5
Im surprised he is allowed to show all 22 when I started doing QB cutups in All 22 i got shut down within a day.
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Post by redeyejedi on Nov 8, 2018 6:11:03 GMT -5
We don't have to draft a QB next year! There are plenty retreads around to fill in for one year! How many years are you prepared to go 1-15 , 3-13 before the perfect QB prospect comes around. You do not want to be the team grabbing QB's off the scrap heap every year
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Post by Fletch842 on Nov 8, 2018 7:04:31 GMT -5
I've watched 3 of Herbert's games, and have not been overly impressed. I'd lean more towards Grier myself.
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Post by IrishMike on Nov 8, 2018 8:16:11 GMT -5
That sounds like something an Eli apologist would say....lol "Eli didn't blow the play, the WR probably ran the wrong route. As fans, we will never be sure unless we see Eli tear into a WR It has nothing at all to do with Eli and does not change the fact that what I said is correct.
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Post by scoostraw on Nov 8, 2018 8:22:38 GMT -5
Herbert has the word BUST written all over him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 8:23:28 GMT -5
All of you "Draft Barkley fans" had better pray that kid is the 2nd coming of Dan Marino or else the Barkley pick will look really foolish from QB hell They had this silly notion that the Giants could magically find a potential QB somewhere else other than a QB top heavy draft. They will excuse away taking a RB with the number 2 pick no matter how stupid the decision was. We have no choice now but to root for Lauletta. I don't think his arm is NFL material, but I want to be wrong about this. I sincerely doubt we see him play this season, because you know, he's not ready yet.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 8:29:09 GMT -5
We don't have to draft a QB next year! There are plenty retreads around to fill in for one year! How many years are you prepared to go 1-15 , 3-13 before the perfect QB prospect comes around. You do not want to be the team grabbing QB's off the scrap heap every year You don't want to grab the wrong one either and then have to pass on other better quarterbacks after going 1-15 again.
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 8, 2018 9:09:46 GMT -5
All of you "Draft Barkley fans" had better pray that kid is the 2nd coming of Dan Marino or else the Barkley pick will look really foolish from QB hell They had this silly notion that the Giants could magically find a potential QB somewhere else other than a QB top heavy draft. They will excuse away taking a RB with the number 2 pick no matter how stupid the decision was. We have no choice now but to root for Lauletta. I don't think his arm is NFL material, but I want to be wrong about this. I sincerely doubt we see him play this season, because you know, he's not ready yet. Oh, I think nearly everyone has now been disabused of that notion since some posters have informed everyone else that some talking heads say it was the wrong decision. I mean who who better to judge organizational decisions than a bunch of unaffiliated observers with absolutely no skin in the game? Which of these four future HOFers did you want for the Giants?
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Post by OrangeGiant on Nov 8, 2018 9:17:42 GMT -5
For me Will Grier is the pick if we are drafting a QB in 2019. I haven't seen him mentioned that much, but I think he's as good as any of the QBs from 2018, other than maybe BM.
He had one really bad game, but overall looks pretty solid.
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Post by bluejayc on Nov 8, 2018 9:18:35 GMT -5
give me a break. So far only Mayfield looks terrific from the qb class, and he was gone before we picked at 2. None of our scouts could find a consensus on the other ones and who could blame them? Darnold has completely sucked almost every game even bearing in mind the jets lack of talent, his decision making was egregious the last few weeks. Allen is hurt, Rosen has been the best of the rest so far, none look like Dan Marino so calm down. We chose the best overall player in the draft...and he absoloutely was. Giant fans would be going nuts if Darnold threw 6 passes to the other team 4 for picks for crying out loud especially if Barcley was doing what he's been doing for us at another team. 8 games and this is a fact... already... Saquon Barkley is 2nd in yards rushing, for rookies, behind an undrafted Phillip Lindsay. Not saying Lindsay is better or anything, but can we slow down on crowning Barkley anything yet? He is a phenomenal talent, and we all know "with a better OL he would dominate more ect" but lets see where his running style takes us beyond more than 8 games before saying he is the best overall player in the draft. Just so I get this straight.....Giants fans can't crown Barkley yet after 8 games of actual NFL football but you can assuredly say that the NFL QB class of NEXT year isn't as good as last year or two years from now.....and that Herbert is the next Blake Bortles.....interesting. So no one is allowed to make assumptions except you? I also liked how you cherry picked Lindsey's numbers. Forgot to mention Barkley has played in one less game and still has 300 more all purpose yards but hey as we all know on here whatever fits your narrative. These draft debates are a riot because unless someone has a career ending injury you won't be able to truly quantify pick or non-pick until the end of the player's career. Prior to the Giants winning 2 SB's with Manning the prevailing opinion was the Chargers fleeced the Giants with their draft day trade.
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Post by jaymas on Nov 8, 2018 9:45:27 GMT -5
I wasnt in the draft Barkley group, but, did you mean Knowshawn Marino? Dan is a QB... He will never live up to that status being a RB. He has to be the new Barry Sanders or even Gale Sayers to be worth the #2 pick. Or, everyone else in that class bombs. I meant. If you wanted Barkley, then you better hope Herbert is Marino because we passed up on a smooth QB transition. Harder to find a good QB than a RB... I like the QBs from this past class too...but literally no one knows how they will turn out yet. We didn't pass up anything, and we won't know if we did until the passage of time takes its natural course.
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 8, 2018 9:49:22 GMT -5
I meant. If you wanted Barkley, then you better hope Herbert is Marino because we passed up on a smooth QB transition. Harder to find a good QB than a RB... I like the QBs from this past class too...but literally no one knows how they will turn out yet. We didn't pass up anything, and we won't know if we did until the passage of time takes its natural course. Well, based on his post the Giants passed on at least two different Dan Marino equivalents. I gotta be honest, I have my doubts about that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 9:49:54 GMT -5
I meant. If you wanted Barkley, then you better hope Herbert is Marino because we passed up on a smooth QB transition. Harder to find a good QB than a RB... I like the QBs from this past class too...but literally no one knows how they will turn out yet. We didn't pass up anything, and we won't know if we did until the passage of time takes its natural course. you should work for the FO . you would fit right in.
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Post by Delicreep on Nov 8, 2018 10:04:02 GMT -5
All of you "Draft Barkley fans" had better pray that kid is the 2nd coming of Dan Marino or else the Barkley pick will look really foolish from QB hell Have a nice space carved out in my sig for you to tell us which of those young men we should have taken...now is your chance.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 8, 2018 10:04:50 GMT -5
How many years are you prepared to go 1-15 , 3-13 before the perfect QB prospect comes around. You do not want to be the team grabbing QB's off the scrap heap every year You don't want to grab the wrong one either and then have to pass on other better quarterbacks after going 1-15 again. And people think just taking a qb "just because" they are picking in the top 3 doesn't lead to qb hell either See Winston and Bortles,Locker,Gabbert,and Ponder cod recent bad decisions Because this class seems to be filled with those types
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 10:18:31 GMT -5
8 games and this is a fact... already... Saquon Barkley is 2nd in yards rushing, for rookies, behind an undrafted Phillip Lindsay. Not saying Lindsay is better or anything, but can we slow down on crowning Barkley anything yet? He is a phenomenal talent, and we all know "with a better OL he would dominate more ect" but lets see where his running style takes us beyond more than 8 games before saying he is the best overall player in the draft. Just so I get this straight.....Giants fans can't crown Barkley yet after 8 games of actual NFL football but you can assuredly say that the NFL QB class of NEXT year isn't as good as last year or two years from now.....and that Herbert is the next Blake Bortles.....interesting. So no one is allowed to make assumptions except you? I also liked how you cherry picked Lindsey's numbers. Forgot to mention Barkley has played in one less game and still has 300 more all purpose yards but hey as we all know on here whatever fits your narrative. Wrecked.
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Post by jaymas on Nov 8, 2018 10:58:03 GMT -5
I like the QBs from this past class too...but literally no one knows how they will turn out yet. We didn't pass up anything, and we won't know if we did until the passage of time takes its natural course. you should work for the FO . you would fit right in. So you're telling me that if the Giants get their next QB over the next two years and him, OBJ, and Saquon spend years playing at a high level...this was still stupid? The other possibility is we did take a QB and they turned out great and we're a good team that way. More than one way to build a team. QBs come out every year and every year there's good ones and bad ones. Supposed weak QB classes produce great ones (Goff, Wentz), some supposed weak QB classes suck, strong QB classes flame out, and strong QB classes do great.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 8, 2018 11:08:48 GMT -5
8 games and this is a fact... already... Saquon Barkley is 2nd in yards rushing, for rookies, behind an undrafted Phillip Lindsay. Not saying Lindsay is better or anything, but can we slow down on crowning Barkley anything yet? He is a phenomenal talent, and we all know "with a better OL he would dominate more ect" but lets see where his running style takes us beyond more than 8 games before saying he is the best overall player in the draft. Just so I get this straight.....Giants fans can't crown Barkley yet after 8 games of actual NFL football but you can assuredly say that the NFL QB class of NEXT year isn't as good as last year or two years from now.....and that Herbert is the next Blake Bortles.....interesting. So no one is allowed to make assumptions except you? I also liked how you cherry picked Lindsey's numbers. Forgot to mention Barkley has played in one less game and still has 300 more all purpose yards but hey as we all know on here whatever fits your narrative. These draft debates are a riot because unless someone has a career ending injury you won't be able to truly quantify pick or non-pick until the end of the player's career. Prior to the Giants winning 2 SB's with Manning the prevailing opinion was the Chargers fleeced the Giants with their draft day trade. I think you got it wrong. Everyone can and does have opinions. It's why these boards work. I'm not going to say Herbert is the best or worst pick in the 2019 draft after 8 games. That's all.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 11:24:12 GMT -5
you should work for the FO . you would fit right in. So you're telling me that if the Giants get their next QB over the next two years and him, OBJ, and Saquon spend years playing at a high level...this was still stupid? The other possibility is we did take a QB and they turned out great and we're a good team that way. More than one way to build a team. QBs come out every year and every year there's good ones and bad ones. Supposed weak QB classes produce great ones (Goff, Wentz), some supposed weak QB classes suck, strong QB classes flame out, and strong QB classes do great. you are forgetting the years now wasted. obj in his prime, and rookie qb growing pains, may take a year or so.
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Post by jaymas on Nov 8, 2018 12:02:05 GMT -5
So you're telling me that if the Giants get their next QB over the next two years and him, OBJ, and Saquon spend years playing at a high level...this was still stupid? The other possibility is we did take a QB and they turned out great and we're a good team that way. More than one way to build a team. QBs come out every year and every year there's good ones and bad ones. Supposed weak QB classes produce great ones (Goff, Wentz), some supposed weak QB classes suck, strong QB classes flame out, and strong QB classes do great. you are forgetting the years now wasted. obj in his prime, and rookie qb growing pains, may take a year or so. Years wasted? What years? We should have drafted a QB in 14? Wouldn't have OBJ...in 13? One full season removed from a SB win? If we draft one this year and he's good...we will have wasted 1 season, which may have been wasted anyway. Sounds more like you're frustrated with the roster decay over time from the last super bowl win and not the fact we didn't draft a QB this year, because that single decision has absolutely nothing to do with "wasting" years for the Giants or OBJ years.
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Post by SG88 on Nov 8, 2018 12:05:47 GMT -5
give me a break. So far only Mayfield looks terrific from the qb class, and he was gone before we picked at 2. None of our scouts could find a consensus on the other ones and who could blame them? Darnold has completely sucked almost every game even bearing in mind the jets lack of talent, his decision making was egregious the last few weeks. Allen is hurt, Rosen has been the best of the rest so far, none look like Dan Marino so calm down. We chose the best overall player in the draft...and he absoloutely was. Giant fans would be going nuts if Darnold threw 6 passes to the other team 4 for picks for crying out loud especially if Barcley was doing what he's been doing for us at another team. 8 games and this is a fact... already... Saquon Barkley is 2nd in yards rushing, for rookies, behind an undrafted Phillip Lindsay. Not saying Lindsay is better or anything, but can we slow down on crowning Barkley anything yet? He is a phenomenal talent, and we all know "with a better OL he would dominate more ect" but lets see where his running style takes us beyond more than 8 games before saying he is the best overall player in the draft. Who has more yards from scrimmage? That is what matters in today's game. This is what I think: Barkley would have to have 2000 yards rushing and 1000 yards receiving to please the fans still complaining about not drafting a QB. My advice is simple to those still complaining: let it go. Besides, even if they drafted a QB with that pick, they weren't going to see time this year. Eli Manning is going to play just about every snap through hell and high water. Probably even into next year.
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Post by SG88 on Nov 8, 2018 12:08:21 GMT -5
8 games and this is a fact... already... Saquon Barkley is 2nd in yards rushing, for rookies, behind an undrafted Phillip Lindsay. Not saying Lindsay is better or anything, but can we slow down on crowning Barkley anything yet? He is a phenomenal talent, and we all know "with a better OL he would dominate more ect" but lets see where his running style takes us beyond more than 8 games before saying he is the best overall player in the draft. Just so I get this straight.....Giants fans can't crown Barkley yet after 8 games of actual NFL football but you can assuredly say that the NFL QB class of NEXT year isn't as good as last year or two years from now.....and that Herbert is the next Blake Bortles.....interesting. So no one is allowed to make assumptions except you? I also liked how you cherry picked Lindsey's numbers. Forgot to mention Barkley has played in one less game and still has 300 more all purpose yards but hey as we all know on here whatever fits your narrative. These draft debates are a riot because unless someone has a career ending injury you won't be able to truly quantify pick or non-pick until the end of the player's career. Prior to the Giants winning 2 SB's with Manning the prevailing opinion was the Chargers fleeced the Giants with their draft day trade. Damn dude. This one of the best rebuttals that I have ever read on these boards or the old ones. 👏👏👏👏👏
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