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Post by TEM on Jul 2, 2018 5:28:02 GMT -5
There is no alternative. You guys are stuck with a sorry ass baseball team that after the fire sale coming later this month, will be a perennial cellar dweller for the next decade or so. Sorry if the truth hurts some of your feelings. The Yanks were "down" for a few seasons? They have been over 500 since 1993! I guess for the Yanks , 84-87 wins is a "down" yr for them while for the Mets it would be an outstanding yr. The Mets made the WS in 2000 & 2015, so hopefully some of you will still be around when they make their next WS in 2030. Now that you put it that way
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 4, 2018 8:27:09 GMT -5
Had the Mets game on last night in my man-cave, my wife comes down and sees the Mets are winning 6-1 in the 7th. She says "wow the Mets are winning!"
I said, "Yeah, so far."
Of course the Mets lost 8-6. At this point I really think they expect this to happen every night, so it does.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jul 5, 2018 14:48:52 GMT -5
With his improved performance and pitching hungry contenders, I wonder what the potential value of Zack Wheeler might be. I think they might get a nice haul and he's still got another year of control left beyond this season.
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 5, 2018 22:42:59 GMT -5
With his improved performance and pitching hungry contenders, I wonder what the potential value of Zack Wheeler might be. I think they might get a nice haul and he's still got another year of control left beyond this season. They have so much quality starting pitching it would be amazing if none of them were traded. But with the SillyPons in charge, who knows?
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Post by TEM on Jul 6, 2018 8:08:43 GMT -5
There will be more then a few pitchers from other teams on the market . IMO: teams are not going to sell the farm to the Mets for a pitcher. The Mets do not have any cards . They do not need to dump huge pitchers contract . Those guys are cheap. The Mets' pitchers have small cheap contracts and will be expensive in regards to what they will want in players. I would not give up any of the young 4 starters without getting a few big bats + prospects.
I am one of the few that do not to want see any of those 4 traded. Because those 4 pitchers are only a few talented FA hitters in next off seasons market to make a run. If any team has a core in place to build around and win . It is the Mets.
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Post by Miked1958 on Jul 6, 2018 16:01:57 GMT -5
Boy they sure do stink don't they
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 7, 2018 12:04:38 GMT -5
Dont know that you can count historically injured starters as a core to build around. I have no problem with them trading one of the starters for prospects. I would not want to trade deGrom, and dont believe another team will give up what the Mets would want for him. But anyone down the line from him is fair game IMO.
The Mets have 5 other legit starters: Noah, Matz, Wheeler, Lugo and Gsellman. We could trade any of the first 3 and still have 5 quality starters.
Bottom line is except for Nimmo, none of our young players are panning out so far, and we have very little in the farm system. Trading a pitcher to improve this would be the right move.
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Post by TEM on Jul 7, 2018 12:30:49 GMT -5
Dont know that you can count historically injured starters as a core to build around. I have no problem with them trading one of the starters for prospects. I would not want to trade deGrom, and dont believe another team will give up what the Mets would want for him. But anyone down the line from him is fair game IMO. The Mets have 5 other legit starters: Noah, Matz, Wheeler, Lugo and Gsellman. We could trade any of the first 3 and still have 5 quality starters. Bottom line is except for Nimmo, none of our young players are panning out so far, and we have very little in the farm system. Trading a pitcher to improve this would be the right move. All good points . I think what the Mets will want and will be offered are 2 different things. The reason any team would be in the market for a starter is to bolster a playoff run . It makes no sense to sacrifice on for the other. I do agree they should not give a quality pitcher away for squat. I still think there are teams with pitchers with expansive contracts to unload that will ahead of the Mets for negotiating terms.
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Post by Parademon1 on Jul 7, 2018 22:56:11 GMT -5
Mets have the pitching but the coupons are too cheap to pay for expensive bats. If the Mets had won 6-7 of DeGrom's NDs, 4 of Thor's starts & 4-5 of the rest of their pitcher's quality starts this yr, they would be in 1st place. Their hitters suck!
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 7, 2018 23:00:02 GMT -5
Mets have the pitching but the coupons are too cheap to pay for expensive bats. If the Mets had won 6-7 of DeGrom's NDs, 4 of Thor's starts & 4-5 of the rest of their pitcher's quality starts this yr, they would be in 1st place. Their hitters suck! Yes. Yes, they do. It's a poorly designed team. I'd like to blame Alderson completely - and he's certainly a big part of it - but we all know who the real problems are.
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Post by TEM on Jul 7, 2018 23:06:21 GMT -5
Mets have the pitching but the coupons are too cheap to pay for expensive bats. If the Mets had won 6-7 of DeGrom's NDs, 4 of Thor's starts & 4-5 of the rest of their pitcher's quality starts this yr, they would be in 1st place. Their hitters suck! They did not hit on any of the FA they brought in. Who would have thought Bruce would fall of the way he did. Todd Fraser is what he is. Gonzales is over the hill. Cespedes is a 29 million dollar diva. Conforto is not proving to be what anyone thought he would be. Reyes should have never been signed. We never had a catcher that was going to be a stud at the plate. It is not like Alderson did not spend money . He just did not spend it wisely . My hopes are they keep the rotation in place and get a few bats in the off season. Out SS is a great fielder but not a steady hitter.
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 8, 2018 10:54:19 GMT -5
The reality is we know the Coupons are not going to throw money at the problem. So the only way this team gets better is young prospects.
Our current young prospects are not good, and the farm system is worse. So the only way to do this is to trade for them, IMO.
As far as Cespedes goes, I think at this point they are saving him wear and tear. He is not going to turn this season around, and they want the kids to play more.
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Post by TEM on Jul 8, 2018 11:22:32 GMT -5
I agree Don I would be happy if the can keep the Current payroll (9th in the league at 173) and remove ourselves from the dead wood ( the list is long) , Get a few bats ,. Were back in it next season. I think you are right about Cespedes.
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Post by tcseacliff on Jul 14, 2018 8:59:19 GMT -5
why aren't the Mets out shopping and rebuilding this team around DeGrom? and even Thor for that matter?instead of trading, he is one of the best in baseball, build a ****ing team with him????can't trade good talent away??!!! all that young talent out there!!!
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Post by Parademon1 on Jul 14, 2018 12:36:35 GMT -5
Met's need to bring up Tebow in August so they can at least sell some tickets. IMO, he might be a better hitter than anything they currently have in the starting lineup. Thru hard work & determination, I believe he has earned the right to be called up later this yr.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 14, 2018 21:49:56 GMT -5
Met's need to bring up Tebow in August so they can at least sell some tickets. IMO, he might be a better hitter than anything they currently have in the starting lineup. Thru hard work & determination, I believe he has earned the right to be called up later this yr. He'll get called up. Not because he's good enough but he will sell a few tickets. It's the Wilpon way. If you don't want to spend money fielding a real team, go the circus route. Everybody likes the circus.
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Post by TEM on Jul 15, 2018 15:03:27 GMT -5
Yet another bull pen implosion. SMH
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jul 16, 2018 18:36:21 GMT -5
Biased? Sure. Still, no way in hell Scherzer deserves the ball over DeGrom. He has been the NL's best starter hands down.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jul 16, 2018 18:46:00 GMT -5
The countdown for the season is on and were only at the all-star game. The same boat the Giants were in last year. Maybe we can get the equivalent of a Saquan Barkley in next years baseball draft. At this point just bring up prospects and see what you got. If that's tanking it great.
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Post by EliQB10 on Jul 16, 2018 18:56:44 GMT -5
So you quit being a Mets fan and now delight in pitying Mets fans? That's a lame schtick. I am proud to be a Mets fan and will stay that way until I die. I appreciate the other guys around here that feel the same. I am also a Knicks fan, it's called loyalty. We share the same pain...I an also a Mets and Knicks fan
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Jul 20, 2018 22:49:10 GMT -5
Congrats, Mets Nation on tonight's win.
With Sonny Gray pitching tomorrow and deGrom pitching on Sunday night, you guys might be waving a bunch of brooms up in the air on Monday morning!!
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Post by TEM on Jul 21, 2018 7:43:39 GMT -5
Congrats, Mets Nation on tonight's win. With Sonny Gray pitching tomorrow and deGrom pitching on Sunday night, you guys might be waving a bunch of brooms up in the air on Monday morning!! I for one am not counting eggs as chickens . Our Bullpen after Gsellman and Lugo is thinner then skim Ice. They had close to 100 pitches between them last night. They will be a non factor for the rest of the series.
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Post by TEM on Jul 21, 2018 10:16:28 GMT -5
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 22, 2018 9:39:04 GMT -5
And the team has still said nothing about this. If this is accurate, he should be on the operating table right now.
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Post by TEM on Jul 22, 2018 9:45:02 GMT -5
And the team has still said nothing about this. If this is accurate, he should be on the operating table right now. I agree, In all honesty, he should have been 3 months ago.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jul 22, 2018 13:30:06 GMT -5
So it starts with Familia to the A's, how far will it go?
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Jul 22, 2018 17:22:41 GMT -5
So it starts with Familia to the A's, how far will it go? Do you guys like what you got in return from the A's?
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Post by TEM on Jul 22, 2018 17:36:25 GMT -5
So it starts with Familia to the A's, how far will it go? Do you guys like what you got in return from the A's? I am not impressed with either of them but they are young and can be developed.
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Jul 22, 2018 17:36:34 GMT -5
Noah Syndergaard to DL with hand, foot and mouth disease. Noah Syndergaard’s visit to a youth clinic Thursday is likely responsible for the latest wacky medical issue to hit the Mets. The right-hander was placed on the disabled list Sunday with “hand, foot and mouth disease,” according to assistant general manager John Ricco, and will be replaced in the rotation by Corey Oswalt. nypost.com/2018/07/22/noah-syndergaard-to-dl-with-hand-foot-and-mouth-disease/
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 22, 2018 17:36:36 GMT -5
So it starts with Familia to the A's, how far will it go? Do you guys like what you got in return from the A's? No idea, there’s no book on those guys. But given that the Mets FO made the deal, I’d guess no, they’re probably also rans. But if they cost less than Famila that’s bingo for ownership.
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