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Post by jmike on Jul 17, 2019 13:42:37 GMT -5
this is true, but it did not come as soon as it happened, he was allowed to play the rest of the season. in this case the giants suspended quickly. Right...the public was unaware of what what Brown did, and he was allowed to play (and I am sure the Giants knew) When it became public, the Giants cut him lose. Race had nothing to do with it. Agreed. They didn't care what he did until the bad press of it made them care.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 14:05:02 GMT -5
this is true, but it did not come as soon as it happened, he was allowed to play the rest of the season. in this case the giants suspended quickly. Right...the public was unaware of what what Brown did, and he was allowed to play (and I am sure the Giants knew) When it became public, the Giants cut him lose. Race had nothing to do with it. the public was well aware it was domestic violence. true race may not had played a role, i agree but i do think how valuable you are does. Brown was arrested on a fourth-degree domestic violence charge on May 22, 2015 in Woodinville, Washington. According to the police report, the victim alleged that Brown grabbed her wrist while she was picking up a phone.
Brown practiced Thursday, per Dan Duggan of NJ Advance Media. Brown, 37, was arrested for domestic violence in May 2015 after an argument with his wife. Those charges were later dropped, and he served a one-game suspension at the start of the 2016 season. Brown was not suspended under the league's domestic violence policy, which requires a six-game ban for a first offense.. not only did he get nothing around the time of the arrest, he was resigned and mara defended it www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/giants/2016/08/24/josh-brown-arrest-domestic-violence-john-mara/89261740/
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Post by Delicreep on Jul 17, 2019 14:18:38 GMT -5
Right...the public was unaware of what what Brown did, and he was allowed to play (and I am sure the Giants knew) When it became public, the Giants cut him lose. Race had nothing to do with it. the public was well aware it was domestic violence. true race may not had played a role, i agree but i do think how valuable you are does. Brown was arrested on a fourth-degree domestic violence charge on May 22, 2015 in Woodinville, Washington. According to the police report, the victim alleged that Brown grabbed her wrist while she was picking up a phone.
Brown practiced Thursday, per Dan Duggan of NJ Advance Media. Brown, 37, was arrested for domestic violence in May 2015 after an argument with his wife. Those charges were later dropped, and he served a one-game suspension at the start of the 2016 season. Brown was not suspended under the league's domestic violence policy, which requires a six-game ban for a first offense.. not only did he get nothing around the time of the arrest, he was resigned and mara defended it www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/giants/2016/08/24/josh-brown-arrest-domestic-violence-john-mara/89261740/What got him released was the previously undisclosed fact that he was terrorizing his wife for years. Once he was a monster in the public's eyes, he had to go.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 14:22:27 GMT -5
the public was well aware it was domestic violence. true race may not had played a role, i agree but i do think how valuable you are does. Brown was arrested on a fourth-degree domestic violence charge on May 22, 2015 in Woodinville, Washington. According to the police report, the victim alleged that Brown grabbed her wrist while she was picking up a phone.
Brown practiced Thursday, per Dan Duggan of NJ Advance Media. Brown, 37, was arrested for domestic violence in May 2015 after an argument with his wife. Those charges were later dropped, and he served a one-game suspension at the start of the 2016 season. Brown was not suspended under the league's domestic violence policy, which requires a six-game ban for a first offense.. not only did he get nothing around the time of the arrest, he was resigned and mara defended it www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/giants/2016/08/24/josh-brown-arrest-domestic-violence-john-mara/89261740/What got him released was the previously undisclosed fact that he was terrorizing his wife for years. Once he was a monster in the public's eyes, he had to go. which means he didnt get the same treatment as kamrin , once he got charged he got suspended.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 15:21:12 GMT -5
1- There ISN'T a situation where the best course of action is violence against a woman. (except the kid killing thing I said before) My life experience has nothing to do with it at all. I'm saying there isn't one.....period.
2- Suspending a person before he's convicted is still punishment before he's convicted. How can one be ok and not the other? It's hypocritical. Not in just this situation, but any time it happens. IMO, you hit a woman, you're done. No of this PC suspension thing. No matter WHAT happened before.....he stepped on her neck then knocked her out. Goodbye. I don't really give a **** about the media hype on anything. You either believe the police reports or you don't. I guarantee you the Giants read police reports and determined his guilt.
1-This is ignorant. There are many women that are either physically stronger than an individual man. There are also many armed women. If either decides to attack you, you had better be prepared to defend yourself and sometimes defending yourself requires violence against said attacking woman. 2-I'll ask then, how is it ok to put a person in jail before s/he is convicted? Something that happens in daily life of a police department. If the Giants have already determined that he did it without investigation, why did they suspend him and not just release him? The media often is making reports based on zero knowledge of what is contained in the police report. The police report often is based on information by an accuser that may or may not be speaking honestly. If guilt or innocence can be determined by the police reporting on the scene without investigation, why do we bother with a justice system? People who are so quick to jump to judgment with absolute certainty without any actual knowledge of the situation are very scary people IMO. Who needs due process, until it happens to themselves; right? 1-"Ignorant"? That's it. Gloves are off. I'm sending Harooni over to give you a good smack!! lol....What you are talking about is EXTREMELY rare. 99+% of the time there is a better option than getting violent with a woman. Chances are she didn't just suddenly get upset and physically attack you without some kind of build up to that moment. Plenty of opportunity to remove yourself from the situation. It's also likely that removing yourself from the situation would defuse the angry woman. Using the example for the video, the guy continued poking the bear getting her to that line and then pushing her over it.
2- We are talking about being fired, not putting a person in jail without due process. Equating the 2 is false. His rights are not being violated if you fire him. There is a code of conduct that he is REQUIRED to maintain. And again, you are talking about a rare occurrence that he could be completely innocent. The law of averages is on my side. Chances are, he's completely guilty. Not jumping to a conclusion, just playing the odds.
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Post by jmike on Jul 17, 2019 15:41:30 GMT -5
1-This is ignorant. There are many women that are either physically stronger than an individual man. There are also many armed women. If either decides to attack you, you had better be prepared to defend yourself and sometimes defending yourself requires violence against said attacking woman. 2-I'll ask then, how is it ok to put a person in jail before s/he is convicted? Something that happens in daily life of a police department. If the Giants have already determined that he did it without investigation, why did they suspend him and not just release him? The media often is making reports based on zero knowledge of what is contained in the police report. The police report often is based on information by an accuser that may or may not be speaking honestly. If guilt or innocence can be determined by the police reporting on the scene without investigation, why do we bother with a justice system? People who are so quick to jump to judgment with absolute certainty without any actual knowledge of the situation are very scary people IMO. Who needs due process, until it happens to themselves; right? 1-"Ignorant"? That's it. Gloves are off. I'm sending Harooni over to give you a good smack!! lol....What you are talking about is EXTREMELY rare. 99+% of the time there is a better option than getting violent with a woman. Chances are she didn't just suddenly get upset and physically attack you without some kind of build up to that moment. Plenty of opportunity to remove yourself from the situation. It's also likely that removing yourself from the situation would defuse the angry woman. Using the example for the video, the guy continued poking the bear getting her to that line and then pushing her over it.
2- We are talking about being fired, not putting a person in jail without due process. Equating the 2 is false. His rights are not being violated if you fire him. There is a code of conduct that he is REQUIRED to maintain. And again, you are talking about a rare occurrence that he could be completely innocent. The law of averages is on my side. Chances are, he's completely guilty. Not jumping to a conclusion, just playing the odds.
1-Extremely rare and "never" are two completely different things. I would say that it is extremely rare to be in a situation where violence with anybody is the best option regardless of the gender of those involved. 2-How would you know the code of conduct has been violated unless you take the time to confirm that the accusation isn't completely fabricated? Too many think that an accusation is enough. Anyone can accuse anyone of anything. Using an accusation, without any knowledge of it's validity, to make a final determination on a decision is not something I consider a wise practice.
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Post by Delicreep on Jul 17, 2019 15:43:29 GMT -5
What got him released was the previously undisclosed fact that he was terrorizing his wife for years. Once he was a monster in the public's eyes, he had to go. which means he didnt get the same treatment as kamrin , once he got charged he got suspended. Once it became public, both men received the same treatment, regardless of skin color.
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Post by jmike on Jul 17, 2019 15:46:02 GMT -5
which means he didnt get the same treatment as kamrin , once he got charged he got suspended. Once it became public, both men received the same treatment, regardless of skin color. When did skin color become a thing in here? If there was any disparate treatment it would have more to do with their ability as a player than anything else. Example....would Chad Wheeler have remained on the team as long as OBJ if he behaved in the exact same manner as OBJ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 15:46:04 GMT -5
which means he didnt get the same treatment as kamrin , once he got charged he got suspended. Once it became public, both men received the same treatment, regardless of skin color. no, i showed you the news clip. it was public back in 2015 , but the giants nor the nfl made any judgement on it till the next season when more came to light .
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Post by Delicreep on Jul 17, 2019 15:48:10 GMT -5
Once it became public, both men received the same treatment, regardless of skin color. When did skin color become a thing in here? If there was any disparate treatment it would have more to do with their ability as a player than anything else. Example....would Chad Wheeler have remained on the team as long as OBJ if he behaved in the exact same manner as OBJ? Harooni said race was a factor, not me. I personally find that insulting, but what do I know...I believe we landed on the moon.
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Post by Delicreep on Jul 17, 2019 15:49:35 GMT -5
Once it became public, both men received the same treatment, regardless of skin color. no, i showed you the news clip. it was public back in 2015 , but the giants nor the nfl made any judgement on it till the next season when more came to light . Wow...it was not until the previously unknown abuse became public that he Giants were forced to act. I can't say it any more clearly than that.
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Post by jmike on Jul 17, 2019 15:50:54 GMT -5
When did skin color become a thing in here? If there was any disparate treatment it would have more to do with their ability as a player than anything else. Example....would Chad Wheeler have remained on the team as long as OBJ if he behaved in the exact same manner as OBJ? Harooni said race was a factor, not me. I personally find that insulting, but what do I know...I believe we landed on the moon. Insulting yes...idiotic more. Too many like to point to race or gender about everything.
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Post by jmike on Jul 17, 2019 15:54:44 GMT -5
no, i showed you the news clip. it was public back in 2015 , but the giants nor the nfl made any judgement on it till the next season when more came to light . Wow...it was not until the previously unknown abuse became public that he Giants were forced to act. I can't say it any more clearly than that. It bothers me that they waited until it was general knowledge to act. At that point, why bother. You have clearly shown that you didn't care that he is a scumbag, own it. "Most of the players in the league are scum, we are keeping Brown because he is a good kicker. We could cut him, but we would just end up with another scumbag that isn't as good to replace him. Just that you idiot fans don't know he's a scumbag yet." People would bash them for it, but at least it is honest.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 15:56:46 GMT -5
no, i showed you the news clip. it was public back in 2015 , but the giants nor the nfl made any judgement on it till the next season when more came to light . Wow...it was not until the previously unknown abuse became public that he Giants were forced to act. I can't say it any more clearly than that. and i cant say it any clearer that his arrest for domestic violence was public on brown in 2015 , just as kamrins is now but he was not suspended so quickly. more bad press and findings came to light and then light action was taken on brown. and still mara resigned him. why did they wait till previous incidents came to light? but in kamrins case, only this 1 arrest and suspended right away?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 15:58:45 GMT -5
Wow...it was not until the previously unknown abuse became public that he Giants were forced to act. I can't say it any more clearly than that. It bothers me that they waited until it was general knowledge to act. At that point, why bother. You have clearly shown that you didn't care that he is a scumbag, own it. "Most of the players in the league are scum, we are keeping Brown because he is a good kicker. We could cut him, but we would just end up with another scumbag that isn't as good to replace him. Just that you idiot fans don't know he's a scumbag yet." People would bash them for it, but at least it is honest. he is contradicting himself , on one hand he agrees kamrin should be suspended off 1 arrest asap. but then said it was ok in browns case not to be suspended till more evidence of past crimes surfaced .
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Post by Delicreep on Jul 17, 2019 16:02:41 GMT -5
Wow...it was not until the previously unknown abuse became public that he Giants were forced to act. I can't say it any more clearly than that. It bothers me that they waited until it was general knowledge to act. At that point, why bother. You have clearly shown that you didn't care that he is a scumbag, own it. "Most of the players in the league are scum, we are keeping Brown because he is a good kicker. We could cut him, but we would just end up with another scumbag that isn't as good to replace him. Just that you idiot fans don't know he's a scumbag yet." People would bash them for it, but at least it is honest. I am certain that if his PREVIOUSLY UNDISCLOSED torture of his wife had never come to light, he may well still be playing.
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Post by jmike on Jul 17, 2019 16:03:32 GMT -5
It bothers me that they waited until it was general knowledge to act. At that point, why bother. You have clearly shown that you didn't care that he is a scumbag, own it. "Most of the players in the league are scum, we are keeping Brown because he is a good kicker. We could cut him, but we would just end up with another scumbag that isn't as good to replace him. Just that you idiot fans don't know he's a scumbag yet." People would bash them for it, but at least it is honest. he is contradicting himself , on one hand he agrees kamrin should be suspended off 1 arrest asap. but then said it was ok in browns case not to be suspended till more evidence of past crimes surfaced . No he isn't. He has been clear, he doesn't feel what actually happens matters only how it would effect the business. When Brown became bad for business, he was suspended, same as Moore. His concern with his own employee wasn't with the act, only with how his customers would react. It isn't something I agree with, but it has been quite consistent and perfectly in line with how the Giants are approaching this.
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Post by jmike on Jul 17, 2019 16:04:44 GMT -5
It bothers me that they waited until it was general knowledge to act. At that point, why bother. You have clearly shown that you didn't care that he is a scumbag, own it. "Most of the players in the league are scum, we are keeping Brown because he is a good kicker. We could cut him, but we would just end up with another scumbag that isn't as good to replace him. Just that you idiot fans don't know he's a scumbag yet." People would bash them for it, but at least it is honest. I am certain that if his PREVIOUSLY UNDISCLOSED torture of his wife had never come to light, he may well still be playing. you are correct....that NFL rug has become quite lumpy with all they sweep under there.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 16:23:38 GMT -5
he is contradicting himself , on one hand he agrees kamrin should be suspended off 1 arrest asap. but then said it was ok in browns case not to be suspended till more evidence of past crimes surfaced . No he isn't. He has been clear, he doesn't feel what actually happens matters only how it would effect the business. When Brown became bad for business, he was suspended, same as Moore. His concern with his own employee wasn't with the act, only with how his customers would react. It isn't something I agree with, but it has been quite consistent and perfectly in line with how the Giants are approaching this. im a little conufsed here. brown back in 2015 had 1 public arrest for domestic violence and present day we have kamrin 1 public arrest for domesic violence. how is one bad for business and the other one not till a year later more evidence surfaced ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 16:31:12 GMT -5
1-"Ignorant"? That's it. Gloves are off. I'm sending Harooni over to give you a good smack!! lol....What you are talking about is EXTREMELY rare. 99+% of the time there is a better option than getting violent with a woman. Chances are she didn't just suddenly get upset and physically attack you without some kind of build up to that moment. Plenty of opportunity to remove yourself from the situation. It's also likely that removing yourself from the situation would defuse the angry woman. Using the example for the video, the guy continued poking the bear getting her to that line and then pushing her over it.
2- We are talking about being fired, not putting a person in jail without due process. Equating the 2 is false. His rights are not being violated if you fire him. There is a code of conduct that he is REQUIRED to maintain. And again, you are talking about a rare occurrence that he could be completely innocent. The law of averages is on my side. Chances are, he's completely guilty. Not jumping to a conclusion, just playing the odds.
1-Extremely rare and "never" are two completely different things. I would say that it is extremely rare to be in a situation where violence with anybody is the best option regardless of the gender of those involved. 2-How would you know the code of conduct has been violated unless you take the time to confirm that the accusation isn't completely fabricated? Too many think that an accusation is enough. Anyone can accuse anyone of anything. Using an accusation, without any knowledge of it's validity, to make a final determination on a decision is not something I consider a wise practice. 1- I already qualified "never" with my "kid killer" comment.........I agree with that. I've found as I've matured that I am less likely to put myself in a situation that would require violence on my part. I am a front man for a band and when shit starts (as they are apt to when alcohol and testosterone mix), I immediately stop the band and call for security. Then I bravely ridicule the miscreants over the mic while being completely shielded by several large gentleman.
2- He was arrested and accused of stepping on the neck of a woman and then punching her with a closed fist and knocking her out. As I said, I'm playing the odds. Chances are he did it.......the circumstances leading up to it makes little difference. He allowed himself to be in a situation where that kind of thing happens and didn't make any attempt to defuse or remove himself from it. Code of conduct. Cut him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 16:33:26 GMT -5
No he isn't. He has been clear, he doesn't feel what actually happens matters only how it would effect the business. When Brown became bad for business, he was suspended, same as Moore. His concern with his own employee wasn't with the act, only with how his customers would react. It isn't something I agree with, but it has been quite consistent and perfectly in line with how the Giants are approaching this. im a little conufsed here. brown back in 2015 had 1 public arrest for domestic violence and present day we have kamrin 1 public arrest for domesic violence. how is one bad for business and the other one not till a year later more evidence surfaced ? Learning a lesson from the first fiasco. Taking no chances this time. There will be no room for error now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 16:41:34 GMT -5
im a little conufsed here. brown back in 2015 had 1 public arrest for domestic violence and present day we have kamrin 1 public arrest for domesic violence. how is one bad for business and the other one not till a year later more evidence surfaced ? Learning a lesson from the first fiasco. Taking no chances this time. There will be no room for error now. could be that, id have to look up if they poo pooed any 2018 arrest depending on if they valued the player or not. i have a suspicion that lets say barkley were to be arrested tomorrow for domestic violence , he would not be suspended asap
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 16:43:52 GMT -5
Learning a lesson from the first fiasco. Taking no chances this time. There will be no room for error now. could be that, id have to look up if they poo pooed any 2018 arrest depending on if they valued the player or not. i have a suspicion that lets say barkley were to be arrested tomorrow for domestic violence , he would not be suspended asap They most assuredly WOULD!! They would have no choice. That would be WAY too high profile not to pull the trigger immediately.
Luckily for us he's Barkley and not Elliot.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 16:45:12 GMT -5
could be that, id have to look up if they poo pooed any 2018 arrest depending on if they valued the player or not. i have a suspicion that lets say barkley were to be arrested tomorrow for domestic violence , he would not be suspended asap They most assuredly WOULD!! They would have no choice.
Luckily for us he's Barkley and not Elliot.
well yes , he is a great kid, hypothetical of course.
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Post by jmike on Jul 17, 2019 19:23:37 GMT -5
No he isn't. He has been clear, he doesn't feel what actually happens matters only how it would effect the business. When Brown became bad for business, he was suspended, same as Moore. His concern with his own employee wasn't with the act, only with how his customers would react. It isn't something I agree with, but it has been quite consistent and perfectly in line with how the Giants are approaching this. im a little conufsed here. brown back in 2015 had 1 public arrest for domestic violence and present day we have kamrin 1 public arrest for domesic violence. how is one bad for business and the other one not till a year later more evidence surfaced ? The Giants did not address it until the press became bad for the Giants. It was not big news even though it had happened years before. There is so much for people to get outraged over, some things just need to wait a bit before the mob can get to it.
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Post by jmike on Jul 17, 2019 19:31:51 GMT -5
1-Extremely rare and "never" are two completely different things. I would say that it is extremely rare to be in a situation where violence with anybody is the best option regardless of the gender of those involved. 2-How would you know the code of conduct has been violated unless you take the time to confirm that the accusation isn't completely fabricated? Too many think that an accusation is enough. Anyone can accuse anyone of anything. Using an accusation, without any knowledge of it's validity, to make a final determination on a decision is not something I consider a wise practice. 1- I already qualified "never" with my "kid killer" comment.........I agree with that. I've found as I've matured that I am less likely to put myself in a situation that would require violence on my part. I am a front man for a band and when shit starts (as they are apt to when alcohol and testosterone mix), I immediately stop the band and call for security. Then I bravely ridicule the miscreants over the mic while being completely shielded by several large gentleman.
2- He was arrested and accused of stepping on the neck of a woman and then punching her with a closed fist and knocking her out. As I said, I'm playing the odds. Chances are he did it.......the circumstances leading up to it makes little difference. He allowed himself to be in a situation where that kind of thing happens and didn't make any attempt to defuse or remove himself from it. Code of conduct. Cut him.
1-not the only possible situation, there are many even if they are rare......that is smart.
2-Playing what odds...you have zero actual information. Tell you what....I'll flip a coin here, 50/50 odds, if you get it right I'll give you a million dollars. Play those odds, we will see how you do. Easy for me because I only need to report the information to you that I want you to know....what actually happened with the coin matters little. Heck, there doesn't even need to be a coin. I win all the time if I hold all the information. This is how the news media works these days, they think it is their job to make the news. They are the Ministry of Truth...or Minitrue if you will. If they do it right we will see Miniplenty and Miniluv close on its heals. Minipax has already been in operation for quite a while.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 19:38:38 GMT -5
1- I already qualified "never" with my "kid killer" comment.........I agree with that. I've found as I've matured that I am less likely to put myself in a situation that would require violence on my part. I am a front man for a band and when shit starts (as they are apt to when alcohol and testosterone mix), I immediately stop the band and call for security. Then I bravely ridicule the miscreants over the mic while being completely shielded by several large gentleman.
2- He was arrested and accused of stepping on the neck of a woman and then punching her with a closed fist and knocking her out. As I said, I'm playing the odds. Chances are he did it.......the circumstances leading up to it makes little difference. He allowed himself to be in a situation where that kind of thing happens and didn't make any attempt to defuse or remove himself from it. Code of conduct. Cut him.
1-not the only possible situation, there are many even if they are rare......that is smart.
2-Playing what odds...you have zero actual information. Tell you what....I'll flip a coin here, 50/50 odds, if you get it right I'll give you a million dollars. Play those odds, we will see how you do. Easy for me because I only need to report the information to you that I want you to know....what actually happened with the coin matters little. Heck, there doesn't even need to be a coin. I win all the time if I hold all the information. This is how the news media works these days, they think it is their job to make the news. They are the Ministry of Truth...or Minitrue if you will. If they do it right we will see Miniplenty and Miniluv close on its heals.
1-Didn't say it was the only situation....just that it's rare. Extremely rare.
2- Your analogy doesn't work because there is no eye witness testimony or police report to say what the results were. Just your words alone. Or are you saying the media is completely lying and setting themselves up for a major libel lawsuit? There is no media conspiracy against a football player that no one has ever heard of. If you believe that then I have the ultimate tin foil hat collection I'd like to sell you for a million dollars.
In the end, we will see who's right and who isn't. Care to bet that million?
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Post by Delicreep on Jul 17, 2019 20:34:07 GMT -5
Wow...it was not until the previously unknown abuse became public that he Giants were forced to act. I can't say it any more clearly than that. and i cant say it any clearer that his arrest for domestic violence was public on brown in 2015 , just as kamrins is now but he was not suspended so quickly. more bad press and findings came to light and then light action was taken on brown. and still mara resigned him. why did they wait till previous incidents came to light? but in kamrins case, only this 1 arrest and suspended right away? Here's the details of the 2015 arrest you seem so focused on: "According to the police report, Brown and the victim "quarrelled (sic)." Brown grabbed the victim's wrist while the victim was picking up a phone, according to police.The victim then called 911, according to the police report, and alleged an assault. The report states the victim had "redness" on the wrist, "and a small cut, possibly from a fingernail."Here's Kamins: "when gal-pal H.P. fell to the ground, the 200-lb. safety “placed his foot on her neck and applied pressure,” the court papers charge. She managed to free herself and then shoved Moore for choking her — and that’s when he cold-cocked her on the left side of her face"Let's agree that all domestic violence is wrong. Are we saying that these are equal, or even remotely similar? And I am talking about fan reaction here, not that one should be husband of the year. And aside from the league becoming progressively harder on domestic violence since 2014 to the point we are at now, tell me that you as an individual would see these 2 items as equally bad publicity wise? That fans would see these two men as have done the exact same thing to the exact same level. Now here's a snapshot of what was revealed later about Brown: "Brown admitted to abusing his now ex-wife in a series of documents, including emails and journal entries that became public last October. The documents were originally given to police by Brown's wife after his arrest.
In his journal, Brown wrote that he saw himself as “God basically,” and his wife as his slave. He described a history of abusing women. Brown later said his private journal entries should not have been used against him."
Brown moved the needle on the "monster" gauge, became a PR burden and was let go.
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 17, 2019 21:03:07 GMT -5
So this is tagf?
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