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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 14, 2019 13:24:28 GMT -5
Did it get him the playoffs no as they say garbage time lol, as I said something changed they got a better roster and then they won stat lines mean nothing. There's no hard path for this, it's a completely flexible tube. It's the team record or the stats they're interchangeable whichever is more or less favorable based on narrative. It's circular and there ain't no right or wrong, just differences of opinion. The only thing that matters really is winning that is the goal and that is what they get paid to do, but that is true there is no right or wrong answer.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 14, 2019 13:34:10 GMT -5
There is 0 other reason to be down on this kid other then thinking the Gm made a mistake lol. If it were Haskins everyone would be happy right now, I never said anything that you just pointed to just a bout how you feel about the GM. That is fine we all have opinions but to sit and act like the kid didn't prove the crap that was out there right after draft wrong is silly he proved he has the tools something that many people who paid no mind to him or duke football said he was inaccurate weak armed this and that he was not athletic lol can't write this crap, as Far as the Mayfield comparison all I said is last year when he threw it well against our 2s and 3s he was a god to some he proved to have a short learning curb few games games in he was good think it was weeks 4through 7 he struggled a little but Mayfield came into a different type situation then the others in his class he came to a ready to winn team top 7 OL really good young D, Jones is a top ten pick not the #1 pick in the draft or top 5 for that matter he has done nothing but look like he belongs. There's that word again. "Down" on the kid, where in any on my posts was I down on Jones? Last time I checked I gave him praise and was excited to see what was next. I wasn't going to get Daniel Jones tattoed on my arm and swear allegiance to him. I want to see more, much more. And I'm also going to question when someone says he has what it takes to play in this league. 5 minutes of play and that's the conclusion? Mayfield came into a ready win team? He got drafted by the Cleveland Browns. A franchise that won 11 games in 4 years. A franchise that has sniffed the playoffs twice in 29 years. That's like winning a free vacation to Iraq. Did it get him the playoffs no as they say garbage time lol, as I said something changed they got a better roster and then they won stat lines mean nothing. Garbage time stats? Were you watching the Saint games when you weren't watching the Browns? Point is the Saints stunk and they somehow won 7 games a season because of Brees. If they had anyone else they would have won 3 games tops. What I will say I never said DJ is ready to win what I said he has the tools now wether he can make it happen we will see, as far as Mayfield goes he stepped onto a loaded team top 7 OL and even better interior very good TE they got Jarvis Landry in there plus all there #1 draft picks littered throughout the roster, they are young and loaded Baker got drafted there at the right time he is talented but he had everything a rookie QB needs OL TE WRs they drafted a good young one last year to young loaded defense what more could he need OBJ lol, plus a nice RB.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 14, 2019 13:34:47 GMT -5
There's no hard path for this, it's a completely flexible tube. It's the team record or the stats they're interchangeable whichever is more or less favorable based on narrative. It's circular and there ain't no right or wrong, just differences of opinion. The only thing that matters really is winning that is the goal and that is what they get paid to do, but that is true there is no right or wrong answer. Brees is a very, very good tier 2 QB. As has been shown repeatedly with all of them, they are not making the difference between playoffs and not. It's a nice story there's simply no evidence supporting that.
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 14, 2019 13:37:44 GMT -5
The only thing that matters really is winning that is the goal and that is what they get paid to do, but that is true there is no right or wrong answer. Brees is a very, very good tier 2 QB. As has been shown repeatedly with all of them, they are not making the difference between playoffs and not. It's a nice story there's simply no evidence supporting that. Tier 2 QB? Who’s in tier 1? Jesus?
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 14, 2019 13:49:57 GMT -5
Brees is a very, very good tier 2 QB. As has been shown repeatedly with all of them, they are not making the difference between playoffs and not. It's a nice story there's simply no evidence supporting that. Tier 2 QB? Who’s in tier 1? Jesus? It's all subjective but I'd say Brady and perhaps Rodgers. Jesus is third tier. I think the stigmata makes his throws too inconsistent.
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Post by ocgiant on Aug 14, 2019 14:18:42 GMT -5
If the Giants have another lousy season, they can recycle this article for the end of the season too.
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Aug 14, 2019 15:45:58 GMT -5
Winning cures all. IF we dont win more than we lose the next 2-3-4 years, the revolving door is still open. New HC, new GM ect... And Mara was wrong. Only time will tell. I dont see OBJ as his biggest move though. I see him drafting DJ as his biggest move. It all depends on that pick. If he is right, 90% of people have to eat their hats and admit DG was a genius. If he was wrong, he is going to get slaughtered for making such an unpopular pick and setting the franchise back 5 years at least. Agreed, DG's job will be determined by the success or failure of Daniel Jones, not the ODB trade. If Jones becomes the guy, then he has set up the franchise pretty well to compete for a long time, but even then, he still has to be consistently good with acquiring talent. JR lived a long time off the success of his early drafts and 1st and 2nd round picks, but his overall poor drafting eventually did him in.
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Post by snyder55 on Aug 14, 2019 15:47:27 GMT -5
I'd have more faith in John Mara if he didn't remind me of Monte Burns.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 15:52:04 GMT -5
I can understand why people are nervous with the moves, but if you don't see the difference in personnel already, you're just blind. Under Reese we had these finesse lineman and late round reaches. That's all gone. And I still say Reese would have picked Darnold, missed out on Saquon, and, if things play out the way they're looking so far, missed out on Jones. Yes that is true we have hog mollies now. And if he hit a home run with DJ he is ok in my book , even if he went the wrong direction when first hired.
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Post by snyder55 on Aug 14, 2019 15:53:38 GMT -5
just imagine if Barkley has another year like last year or even better and we also have good play from the QB position, no telling how far this team could go...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 16:02:33 GMT -5
just imagine if Barkley has another year like last year or even better and we also have good play from the QB position, no telling how far this team could go... the team isn't going far and that wont be any one players fault. even with good QB and RB play.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 14, 2019 16:02:41 GMT -5
Winning cures all. IF we dont win more than we lose the next 2-3-4 years, the revolving door is still open. New HC, new GM ect... And Mara was wrong. Only time will tell. I dont see OBJ as his biggest move though. I see him drafting DJ as his biggest move. It all depends on that pick. If he is right, 90% of people have to eat their hats and admit DG was a genius. If he was wrong, he is going to get slaughtered for making such an unpopular pick and setting the franchise back 5 years at least. Agreed, DG's job will be determined by the success or failure of Daniel Jones, not the ODB trade. If Jones becomes the guy, then he has set up the franchise pretty well to compete for a long time, but even then, he still has to be consistently good with acquiring talent. JR lived a long time off the success of his early drafts and 1st and 2nd round picks, but his overall poor drafting eventually did him in. He lived off some of his picks, but the core of the SB wins came from before he was the GM. Eli, Tuck, Osi, Plax, Toomer, C-Webb, Strahan, Jacobs, the OLine....
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 14, 2019 16:05:26 GMT -5
I'd have more faith in John Mara if he didn't remind me of Monte Burns.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 14, 2019 16:11:13 GMT -5
The only thing that matters really is winning that is the goal and that is what they get paid to do, but that is true there is no right or wrong answer. Brees is a very, very good tier 2 QB. As has been shown repeatedly with all of them, they are not making the difference between playoffs and not. It's a nice story there's simply no evidence supporting that. Tier 2? lol I kow we disagreed here in the past but I just cant get enough of it. Brees is one of the best QBs to ever play the game. If Drew Brees had a defense most his career, he would have about 5-6 rings by now. If he played on the Pats his whole career, he would have 5-6 rings. Drew Brees is one of the best QBs to ever play the game. He was great for 2 franchises, a terribly run Chargers franchise and a absolutely embarrassingly bad Saints organization until he got there. And that was after his shoulder surgery. The only other QBs I remember doing this for 2 franchises are Joe Montana and Peyton Manning. Drew Brees has never had a better than 10th ranked defense. Tom Brady never won a SB without a top 10 defense. Let that sink in.
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Post by shocknaweny on Aug 14, 2019 16:13:51 GMT -5
If Brees played in a different generation he would have got a lot more respect...he kind of got overshadowed by Peyton and Tom
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Post by snyder55 on Aug 14, 2019 16:15:24 GMT -5
Brees is a very, very good tier 2 QB. As has been shown repeatedly with all of them, they are not making the difference between playoffs and not. It's a nice story there's simply no evidence supporting that. Tier 2? lol I kow we disagreed here in the past but I just cant get enough of it. Brees is one of the best QBs to ever play the game. If Drew Brees had a defense most his career, he would have about 5-6 rings by now. If he played on the Pats his whole career, he would have 5-6 rings. Drew Brees is one of the best QBs to ever play the game. He was great for 2 franchises, a terribly run Chargers franchise and a absolutely embarrassingly bad Saints organization until he got there. And that was after his shoulder surgery. The only other QBs I remember doing this for 2 franchises are Joe Montana and Peyton Manning. excellent work there, good comparison...
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 14, 2019 16:17:51 GMT -5
Dont believe me, read this blurb: Help out Brees -- just a little bit No quarterback of this generation has gotten less help from his defense than Brees. It's backed up by the numbers. I looked at every quarterback to begin their career since the 1970 AFL-NFL merger and found each season in which they were the primary starter for their team. I took the points allowed by each team and standardized them against the averages for each year in question, making it possible to compare quarterback defenses across eras. There have been 38 quarterbacks to start 10 or more seasons since the merger. Brees has the sixth-worst average defense over that period, and the worst of any active quarterback. Here are the quarterbacks with the 10 worst defenses, their average standardized score, and what that would translate to in terms of a 2016 defense: It has to be sad for Saints fans that the guy at the top of the list also happens to be a New Orleans franchise icon. Manning never once had a defense that finished in the upper half of the league rankings in scoring defense, but after he gave way to Ken Stabler in 1982, the Saints finished in the top half nine out of the ensuing 11 seasons, including seven top-10 appearances and two league-leading defenses in 1991 and 1992. During his time with New Orleans, Brees hasn't needed a great defense. He hasn't even needed a decent one. When Sean Payton gives Brees a remotely competent defense, Brees delivers him to the postseason. I've mentioned this before, but the numbers are staggering. Check out the chart on the right. The Saints have ranked in the top 25 of the league's 32 defenses four times in 11 seasons with Brees. They've made the playoffs each time and won an average of 11.3 games along the way. Again, the Saints' defense doesn't even have to be good. As long as it's not awful, Brees seems to be able to drag the team into the playoffs. He even delivered a 13-3 record with a dismal defense in 2011, only to be taken out in the postseason by an offensive outburst from Alex Smith and the 49ers in one of the most dramatic playoff games in recent NFL history. Brees and the Saints' offense are holding up their end of the bargain through five games. They went four games without turning the ball over, only giving way against the Lions in a wild game last weekend. New Orleans ranks third in offensive DVOA, while Brees is fourth in passer rating and adjusted net yards per attempt. The Saints are great on offense, which should be no surprise. What we're taking for granted, though, is just how little the Saints have around Brees. This isn't a team with Jimmy Graham and a boatload of high draft picks at the skill positions. The Saints traded away Brandin Cooks and replaced him in their receiving corps with Ted Ginn Jr. Their top wideout is Michael Thomas, a second-round pick in 2016 who was the sixth wide receiver chosen. Joining him is undrafted free agent Willie Snead, who just returned to the lineup in Week 5. Brees has been down both of his starting offensive tackles for most of the year, with Terron Armstead debuting last week and Zach Strief hitting injured reserve after 78 snaps. First-round pick Ryan Ramczyk has filled in, playing every offensive snap this season at either left or right tackle. Brees does this or something like this every season, so we've grown accustomed to how consistently excellent he is. He has never been the best quarterback in football, so there's no peak season for us to point to. Even during 2009, when Brees led the league in passer rating and quarterbacked a 13-3 Saints team to the top of the NFC and then the Super Bowl, he mustered only 7.5 MVP votes to the 39.5 of Peyton Manning. Brees has racked up only six other MVP votes over the rest of his career combined, so while he consistently has been a top-eight quarterback, we're collectively sleeping on just how impactful he has been for so long. www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21070931/underrated-greatness-drew-brees-unlikely-new-orleans-saints-defensive-revival-2017-nfl
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 14, 2019 17:38:18 GMT -5
Brees is a very, very good tier 2 QB. As has been shown repeatedly with all of them, they are not making the difference between playoffs and not. It's a nice story there's simply no evidence supporting that. Tier 2? lol I kow we disagreed here in the past but I just cant get enough of it. Brees is one of the best QBs to ever play the game. If Drew Brees had a defense most his career, he would have about 5-6 rings by now. If he played on the Pats his whole career, he would have 5-6 rings. Drew Brees is one of the best QBs to ever play the game. He was great for 2 franchises, a terribly run Chargers franchise and a absolutely embarrassingly bad Saints organization until he got there. And that was after his shoulder surgery. The only other QBs I remember doing this for 2 franchises are Joe Montana and Peyton Manning. Drew Brees has never had a better than 10th ranked defense. Tom Brady never won a SB without a top 10 defense. Let that sink in. It's all subjective, even if we use old qualitative stats like Football Outsiders. Of course he has had a top 10 defense, twice in the past 6 seasons in fact. That said, I agree with your macro point re: Brees vs. Brady. I obviously don't agree with all the emotional stuff you bolted onto it though. I'd be perfectly happy to put them in the same tier since it's all made up anyway but the football marketing folks and thus emotional fans like to have a super #1 magical tier that comprises QBs so special their contributions are as ineffable as they are dubious and unquantifiable, just as described above. But it's a harmless thing so I mostly play along. It's good work if you can get it.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 14, 2019 17:45:40 GMT -5
Dont believe me, read this blurb: Help out Brees -- just a little bit No quarterback of this generation has gotten less help from his defense than Brees. It's backed up by the numbers. I looked at every quarterback to begin their career since the 1970 AFL-NFL merger and found each season in which they were the primary starter for their team. I took the points allowed by each team and standardized them against the averages for each year in question, making it possible to compare quarterback defenses across eras. There have been 38 quarterbacks to start 10 or more seasons since the merger. Brees has the sixth-worst average defense over that period, and the worst of any active quarterback. Here are the quarterbacks with the 10 worst defenses, their average standardized score, and what that would translate to in terms of a 2016 defense: It has to be sad for Saints fans that the guy at the top of the list also happens to be a New Orleans franchise icon. Manning never once had a defense that finished in the upper half of the league rankings in scoring defense, but after he gave way to Ken Stabler in 1982, the Saints finished in the top half nine out of the ensuing 11 seasons, including seven top-10 appearances and two league-leading defenses in 1991 and 1992. During his time with New Orleans, Brees hasn't needed a great defense. He hasn't even needed a decent one. When Sean Payton gives Brees a remotely competent defense, Brees delivers him to the postseason. I've mentioned this before, but the numbers are staggering. Check out the chart on the right. The Saints have ranked in the top 25 of the league's 32 defenses four times in 11 seasons with Brees. They've made the playoffs each time and won an average of 11.3 games along the way. Again, the Saints' defense doesn't even have to be good. As long as it's not awful, Brees seems to be able to drag the team into the playoffs. He even delivered a 13-3 record with a dismal defense in 2011, only to be taken out in the postseason by an offensive outburst from Alex Smith and the 49ers in one of the most dramatic playoff games in recent NFL history. Brees and the Saints' offense are holding up their end of the bargain through five games. They went four games without turning the ball over, only giving way against the Lions in a wild game last weekend. New Orleans ranks third in offensive DVOA, while Brees is fourth in passer rating and adjusted net yards per attempt. The Saints are great on offense, which should be no surprise. What we're taking for granted, though, is just how little the Saints have around Brees. This isn't a team with Jimmy Graham and a boatload of high draft picks at the skill positions. The Saints traded away Brandin Cooks and replaced him in their receiving corps with Ted Ginn Jr. Their top wideout is Michael Thomas, a second-round pick in 2016 who was the sixth wide receiver chosen. Joining him is undrafted free agent Willie Snead, who just returned to the lineup in Week 5. Brees has been down both of his starting offensive tackles for most of the year, with Terron Armstead debuting last week and Zach Strief hitting injured reserve after 78 snaps. First-round pick Ryan Ramczyk has filled in, playing every offensive snap this season at either left or right tackle. Brees does this or something like this every season, so we've grown accustomed to how consistently excellent he is. He has never been the best quarterback in football, so there's no peak season for us to point to. Even during 2009, when Brees led the league in passer rating and quarterbacked a 13-3 Saints team to the top of the NFC and then the Super Bowl, he mustered only 7.5 MVP votes to the 39.5 of Peyton Manning. Brees has racked up only six other MVP votes over the rest of his career combined, so while he consistently has been a top-eight quarterback, we're collectively sleeping on just how impactful he has been for so long. www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21070931/underrated-greatness-drew-brees-unlikely-new-orleans-saints-defensive-revival-2017-nflI've read the Barnwell piece and I think he does a good job of highlighting the pieces necessary to have a top 10 offense. The hyperbole is a bit silly (no players on offense really? c'mon we can all see the roster) but that's the nature of creative writing. All that said, and most importantly I couldn't agree with him more that while it's nice to have a top offense, it takes a good team, not simply a great QB, to get to the playoffs.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 17:54:07 GMT -5
I've read the Barnwell piece and I think he does a good job of highlighting the pieces necessary to have a top 10 offense. The hyperbole is a bit silly (no players on offense really? c'mon we can all see the roster) but that's the nature of creative writing. All that said, and most importantly I couldn't agree with him more that while it's nice to have a top offense, it takes a good team, not simply a great QB, to get to the playoffs. [/video]
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 18:12:26 GMT -5
John Mara understands there is great unrest when it comes to the state of the Giants and the ability of general manager Dave Gettleman to lift the franchise out of its recent losing ways. As the co-owner of the team, Mara gets it. He just does not agree with you. “I think the best thing for me about Dave is he makes decisions he feels are in the best interest of the franchise and he doesn’t give a damn what people think about it, be it the media or be it fans or anybody,’’ Mara said Tuesday. “He has the courage of his convictions and you have to have that. He set about to try and rebuild this team and change the culture a bit in the locker room. I think our last two draft classes are pretty strong and that’s what gives me confidence moving forward. I think we’re moving in the right direction. “Until we start winning games, it’s hard to sell people on that notion. But it’s what I believe.’’ Under Gettleman’s direction, the Giants traded away Damon “Snacks’’ Harrison and Eli Apple during the 2018 season and later shipped out Olivier Vernon to the Browns. Gettleman did not value Landon Collins as a difference-making safety, did not offer him a deal or put the franchise tag on him and watched as Collins signed with the rival Redskins. In the most controversial move of all thus far, Gettleman, after stating he “did not sign Odell to trade him,’’ did just that, sending Odell Beckham Jr. to the Browns for two draft picks (Nos. 17 and 95) and safety Jabrill Peppers. It was enough to label Gettleman in league circles as out of touch or incapable of dealing with disparate personalities on his roster. “I wouldn’t say there was never any doubt in Dave’s ability or in what is motivation was or what his skill level was,’’ Mara said. “You don’t like to see all that talent go out the door, but let’s face it, we’ve had one winning season, in ’16. The other five or six years have not been so good since we won the last Super Bowl. So we needed some drastic changes and he had the courage of his convictions. He knew they’d be unpopular moves, but he went and made them anyway.’’ Mara thus far likes what he sees with this year’s team, but that optimism can fade when the season starts and losses mount. “I’m not very patient, I take the losses pretty hard but I understand you got to make decisions that are in the best interest of your team in the long run and not worry about the short term,’’ Mara said. “It doesn’t make it any easier when you’re losing these games. I understand what he’s doing and I think he’s headed in the right direction.’’ nypost.com/2019/08/13/john-mara-explains-why-dave-gettleman-is-the-giants-answer/Q: John Mara, explain why Dave Gettleman is the Giants’ answer? A: Because he's worked here for a long time
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 14, 2019 22:02:21 GMT -5
I've read the Barnwell piece and I think he does a good job of highlighting the pieces necessary to have a top 10 offense. The hyperbole is a bit silly (no players on offense really? c'mon we can all see the roster) but that's the nature of creative writing. All that said, and most importantly I couldn't agree with him more that while it's nice to have a top offense, it takes a good team, not simply a great QB, to get to the playoffs. OMG! I should have listened to you! Or was that me?
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Post by soflo on Aug 14, 2019 22:05:20 GMT -5
I can understand why people are nervous with the moves, but if you don't see the difference in personnel already, you're just blind. Under Reese we had these finesse lineman and late round reaches. That's all gone. And I still say Reese would have picked Darnold, missed out on Saquon, and, if things play out the way they're looking so far, missed out on Jones. So the question really is.. Darnold and Allen vs Barkley and Jones. We will never know which would've been better unless Darnold is great and Jones isn't or the opposite Darnold sucks and Jones is great. Yeah, that's probably the comparison duo. I will say this though. The duo we picked are both offense, and if they're both good, that has twice the impact on one side of the ball than one player on each side.
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Post by DandyDon on Aug 14, 2019 22:32:07 GMT -5
OMG! I should have listened to you! Or was that me? It's almost like we doubled down and put Ben McAdoo's dumber cousin in charge of the Giants. What could possibly go wrong?
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Post by piddy283 on Aug 14, 2019 23:27:53 GMT -5
Keep it up DG. It's about time someone tried sorting out a decade of crap.
Under Gettleman’s direction, the Giants traded away Damon “Snacks’’ Harrison and Eli Apple during the 2018 season and later shipped out Olivier Vernon to the Browns. Gettleman did not value Landon Collins as a difference-making safety, did not offer him a deal or put the franchise tag on him and watched as Collins signed with the rival Redskins. In the most controversial move of all thus far, Gettleman, after stating he “did not sign Odell to trade him,’’ did just that, sending Odell Beckham Jr. to the Browns for two draft picks (Nos. 17 and 95) and safety Jabrill Peppers.
The hysteria over these players, overpaid and often injured, is comical to me.
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Post by piddy283 on Aug 14, 2019 23:35:47 GMT -5
Agreed, DG's job will be determined by the success or failure of Daniel Jones, not the ODB trade. If Jones becomes the guy, then he has set up the franchise pretty well to compete for a long time, but even then, he still has to be consistently good with acquiring talent. JR lived a long time off the success of his early drafts and 1st and 2nd round picks, but his overall poor drafting eventually did him in. He lived off some of his picks, but the core of the SB wins came from before he was the GM. Eli, Tuck, Osi, Plax, Toomer, Strahan, Jacobs, the OLine.... +1
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Post by magilla on Aug 15, 2019 8:23:23 GMT -5
Dont believe me, read this blurb: Help out Brees -- just a little bit No quarterback of this generation has gotten less help from his defense than Brees. It's backed up by the numbers. I looked at every quarterback to begin their career since the 1970 AFL-NFL merger and found each season in which they were the primary starter for their team. I took the points allowed by each team and standardized them against the averages for each year in question, making it possible to compare quarterback defenses across eras. There have been 38 quarterbacks to start 10 or more seasons since the merger. Brees has the sixth-worst average defense over that period, and the worst of any active quarterback. Here are the quarterbacks with the 10 worst defenses, their average standardized score, and what that would translate to in terms of a 2016 defense: It has to be sad for Saints fans that the guy at the top of the list also happens to be a New Orleans franchise icon. Manning never once had a defense that finished in the upper half of the league rankings in scoring defense, but after he gave way to Ken Stabler in 1982, the Saints finished in the top half nine out of the ensuing 11 seasons, including seven top-10 appearances and two league-leading defenses in 1991 and 1992. During his time with New Orleans, Brees hasn't needed a great defense. He hasn't even needed a decent one. When Sean Payton gives Brees a remotely competent defense, Brees delivers him to the postseason. I've mentioned this before, but the numbers are staggering. Check out the chart on the right. The Saints have ranked in the top 25 of the league's 32 defenses four times in 11 seasons with Brees. They've made the playoffs each time and won an average of 11.3 games along the way. Again, the Saints' defense doesn't even have to be good. As long as it's not awful, Brees seems to be able to drag the team into the playoffs. He even delivered a 13-3 record with a dismal defense in 2011, only to be taken out in the postseason by an offensive outburst from Alex Smith and the 49ers in one of the most dramatic playoff games in recent NFL history. Brees and the Saints' offense are holding up their end of the bargain through five games. They went four games without turning the ball over, only giving way against the Lions in a wild game last weekend. New Orleans ranks third in offensive DVOA, while Brees is fourth in passer rating and adjusted net yards per attempt. The Saints are great on offense, which should be no surprise. What we're taking for granted, though, is just how little the Saints have around Brees. This isn't a team with Jimmy Graham and a boatload of high draft picks at the skill positions. The Saints traded away Brandin Cooks and replaced him in their receiving corps with Ted Ginn Jr. Their top wideout is Michael Thomas, a second-round pick in 2016 who was the sixth wide receiver chosen. Joining him is undrafted free agent Willie Snead, who just returned to the lineup in Week 5. Brees has been down both of his starting offensive tackles for most of the year, with Terron Armstead debuting last week and Zach Strief hitting injured reserve after 78 snaps. First-round pick Ryan Ramczyk has filled in, playing every offensive snap this season at either left or right tackle. Brees does this or something like this every season, so we've grown accustomed to how consistently excellent he is. He has never been the best quarterback in football, so there's no peak season for us to point to. Even during 2009, when Brees led the league in passer rating and quarterbacked a 13-3 Saints team to the top of the NFC and then the Super Bowl, he mustered only 7.5 MVP votes to the 39.5 of Peyton Manning. Brees has racked up only six other MVP votes over the rest of his career combined, so while he consistently has been a top-eight quarterback, we're collectively sleeping on just how impactful he has been for so long. www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21070931/underrated-greatness-drew-brees-unlikely-new-orleans-saints-defensive-revival-2017-nflA lot of a failings in a defense are covered up and they can over achieve when they have two degenerate lowlifes in Gregg Williams and Sean Peyton putting out bounties on other teams.
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Post by giants8493 on Aug 15, 2019 9:00:16 GMT -5
“I wouldn’t say there was never any doubt in Dave’s ability or in what is motivation was or what his skill level was.’’ Kind of a weird statement - Is he saying he has had doubts about DGs ability or motivation or skill? They probably expected more than 5 wins. Tough to say anyone did a great job after that. It is part of the process however.
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Post by soflo on Aug 15, 2019 11:03:37 GMT -5
Keep it up DG. It's about time someone tried sorting out a decade of crap. Under Gettleman’s direction, the Giants traded away Damon “Snacks’’ Harrison and Eli Apple during the 2018 season and later shipped out Olivier Vernon to the Browns. Gettleman did not value Landon Collins as a difference-making safety, did not offer him a deal or put the franchise tag on him and watched as Collins signed with the rival Redskins. In the most controversial move of all thus far, Gettleman, after stating he “did not sign Odell to trade him,’’ did just that, sending Odell Beckham Jr. to the Browns for two draft picks (Nos. 17 and 95) and safety Jabrill Peppers.
The hysteria over these players, overpaid and often injured, is comical to me. If I had a nickle for every time Nick Wright or Chris Carter said stuff like, "Landon Collins, who they traded, is a great player..." I really do wonder if these guys do any prep work while they aren't on air. Collins basically was living off his 2016 reputation. Outside that, his play has fallen anywhere between average to above average. Hell, when they drafted him I thought he had Troy Palamalu potential. Not even close, really. They act like the Giants should have put him up there with Michael Strahan.
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Post by piddy283 on Aug 15, 2019 12:25:25 GMT -5
Keep it up DG. It's about time someone tried sorting out a decade of crap. Under Gettleman’s direction, the Giants traded away Damon “Snacks’’ Harrison and Eli Apple during the 2018 season and later shipped out Olivier Vernon to the Browns. Gettleman did not value Landon Collins as a difference-making safety, did not offer him a deal or put the franchise tag on him and watched as Collins signed with the rival Redskins. In the most controversial move of all thus far, Gettleman, after stating he “did not sign Odell to trade him,’’ did just that, sending Odell Beckham Jr. to the Browns for two draft picks (Nos. 17 and 95) and safety Jabrill Peppers.
The hysteria over these players, overpaid and often injured, is comical to me. If I had a nickle for every time Nick Wright or Chris Carter said stuff like, "Landon Collins, who they traded, is a great player..." I really do wonder if these guys do any prep work while they aren't on air. Collins basically was living off his 2016 reputation. Outside that, his play has fallen anywhere between average to above average. Hell, when they drafted him I thought he had Troy Palamalu potential. Not even close, really. They act like the Giants should have put him up there with Michael Strahan. Could not agree more. I liked Collins and thought he played out of position a lot due to injuries, but he's not worth the price tag on a team rebuilding. The one that cracks me up the most is when people talk about how good Olivier was and how he's going to be missed. The guy was never healthy. He was a waste of money. What a joke.
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