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Post by TEM on Aug 18, 2019 8:25:11 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 8:26:42 GMT -5
Of course Jone will sit if Eli is playing well.. Winning is everything. But, I don't have much confidence in Eli based on the last few years of check down Charlie and taking dives. It remains to be seen. But there won't be any extensions no matter how good Eli plays. This is his last year in a Giants uniform And again, if you are going to attach the 2 game theory to me, please quote where I said that. Thank you. I miss read what you wrote. Seems like you've been doing that a lot with me lately. I sense animosity when you read my statements.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 18, 2019 8:29:32 GMT -5
nope...this is Eli's swan song no matter how he plays. At least thats my view So this is the it On a short lash and if he plays good , he is gone . I am glad I have more faith in the FO than some do. Because if he cam get to the Playoffs and beyond. I see an extension. This is my complete view... if Eli has a great season its akin to catching lighting in a bottle and a like a last hurrah so to speak. He is old and hasnt performed well above and beyond the oline issues. He is not going to go on a 3 year run of playing great football. I have faith that the FO is giving Eli his due and also looking forward to the future with Jones. BTW...I am not trying to convince you otherwise because your view is certainly valid as well. There is no single "right way" to transition form Eli to Jones
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Post by DandyDon on Aug 18, 2019 8:32:06 GMT -5
Let me ask you guys, if the Giants are fully committed on playing Eli Manning and thinking they are contenders this season, then wouldnt the better option to help eli and the 2019 Giants have been to not take a player at 6 who adds zero value to the 2019 team? Wouldnt you add a pass rusher who adds immediate value to helping the 2019 team be as successful as possible? Not if you truly believed he was your next franchise QB. If that is true you have to take him.
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Post by TEM on Aug 18, 2019 8:35:15 GMT -5
I miss read what you wrote. Seems like you've been doing that a lot with me lately. I sense animosity when you read my statements. Not at all. I have no animosity towards anyone. I have a brash way about me sometimes. It is a personality qwerk . No harem intended.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 8:36:02 GMT -5
Let me ask you guys, if the Giants are fully committed on playing Eli Manning and thinking they are contenders this season, then wouldnt the better option to help eli and the 2019 Giants have been to not take a player at 6 who adds zero value to the 2019 team? Wouldnt you add a pass rusher who adds immediate value to helping the 2019 team be as successful as possible? Not if you truly believed he was your next franchise QB. If that is true you have to take him. Agreed. But I also think they have switched from win now mode to rebuild mode.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 8:36:39 GMT -5
Seems like you've been doing that a lot with me lately. I sense animosity when you read my statements. Not at all. I have no animosity towards anyone. I have a brash way about me sometimes. It is a personality qwerk . No harem intended. Fair enough.......and I'm a smart ass....so there's that too. No mas.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 18, 2019 8:38:03 GMT -5
Seems like you've been doing that a lot with me lately. I sense animosity when you read my statements. Not at all. I have no animosity towards anyone. I have a brash way about me sometimes. It is a personality qwerk . No harem intended.come on man!!! I want the harem!!! Not too many....maybe 4 or 5
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Post by TEM on Aug 18, 2019 8:39:32 GMT -5
Let me ask you guys, if the Giants are fully committed on playing Eli Manning and thinking they are contenders this season, then wouldnt the better option to help eli and the 2019 Giants have been to not take a player at 6 who adds zero value to the 2019 team? Wouldnt you add a pass rusher who adds immediate value to helping the 2019 team be as successful as possible? Eli is not forever. If his replacement is available . He must be taken. That is what the FO did. Unlike The last GM with our O-line in 2010 when he should have been looking for future replacements to groom . Dave is being proactive in creating a coverer belt of talent. I think it is that simple.
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Post by TEM on Aug 18, 2019 8:40:02 GMT -5
Not if you truly believed he was your next franchise QB. If that is true you have to take him. Agreed. But I also think they have switched from win now mode to rebuild mode. I think it is proactive mode.
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Post by TEM on Aug 18, 2019 8:40:36 GMT -5
Not at all. I have no animosity towards anyone. I have a brash way about me sometimes. It is a personality qwerk . No harem intended.come on man!!! I want the harem!!! Not too many....maybe 4 or 5 I am really hungover
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 8:40:51 GMT -5
Not at all. I have no animosity towards anyone. I have a brash way about me sometimes. It is a personality qwerk . No harem intended.come on man!!! I want the harem!!! Not too many....maybe 4 or 5 That is an impossible lifestyle to maintain.....But it's worth the 2 weeks of bliss.
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Post by TEM on Aug 18, 2019 8:41:33 GMT -5
Not at all. I have no animosity towards anyone. I have a brash way about me sometimes. It is a personality qwerk . No harem intended. Fair enough.......and I'm a smart ass....so there's that too. No mas. That is why we click and clash
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 8:43:41 GMT -5
come on man!!! I want the harem!!! Not too many....maybe 4 or 5 I am really hungover ugh......me too!!! Said goodbye to a couple of thousand friends last night.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 18, 2019 8:45:33 GMT -5
ugh......me too!!! Said goodbye to a couple of thousand friends last night. Think I see Dan Jones on the crowd!!!
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Post by TEM on Aug 18, 2019 8:45:53 GMT -5
ugh......me too!!! Said goodbye to a couple of thousand friends last night. At the fair?
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Post by Nite on Aug 18, 2019 8:47:26 GMT -5
Fun times on the GMB....
Damn (or is it Dam or Dan?) no popcorn around... guys getting riled up over (poorly written) click bait.......
Heres the deal..
Eli or Jones does well; "Hey the Giants are great Gettlemen is a genius"
Eli or Jones don't do well; "see I told you so, get the bums outta town! I wonder why I am not hired to do the job..It seems so easy to me"
Essentially the media sucks (all of it)..You guys are ninnys for taking them seriously..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 8:48:18 GMT -5
ugh......me too!!! Said goodbye to a couple of thousand friends last night. At the fair? No...the fair starts Wednesday. This is what's known as the Hannibal Field days up in Oswego County. We've been playing it every year for 15 years. This was our last time. It's a big fund raiser for the local FD.
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Post by KingCap88 on Aug 18, 2019 9:07:39 GMT -5
Eli is the franchise QB so he's going to be the starter. But he's going to be on a shorter leash since he's never had a potential successor waiting in the wings to take his job. While the Giants would ideally like Eli to be the starter for the entire year, I don't doubt that they'd bench him for Jones if Eli struggles and the season starts slipping away.
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 18, 2019 9:22:26 GMT -5
Of course Eli is starting the season. Outside maybe 2 people everyone else knew it was Eli's job from day one. This is Eli's swan song, I find it very unlikely Eli his getting an extension this year. The Giants made that clear when they drafted Jones 6th overall. Giants mgt and coaching staff have already made the heart to heart talk with Eli. If I were to guess they told him this is most likely your last season with the club, we will give you every opportunity to go out on your terms this season. But if it gets way out of hand we have to pull you and put Jones in. Eli is a competitor but he's also not a dummy. This is a business first, hurting feelings is part of the game. Take it too personal and you'll end up being like Beckham or Collins.
Most of us want to see Jones play right away, I know I do. Get the kid out there make him earn his bones and take his lumps and learn on the field and not on the sidelines. We'll see a lot of terrible plays but that's what rookies do, have to learn from it. But the Giants are not that type of franchise, they want Jones to crawl before they teach him how to walk. They don't want to damage him mentally before he even knows what hit him. 2 pre season games and he looks like he has what it takes. But realistically he has not seen anything yet.. Once the season starts he's going to see the level of the competition change dramatically, the scheme which the opposing defenses will run will look like he's reading instructions in a different language. There's a reason quarterbacks get paid so well, it's the most difficult position and most valuable position in the game.
And lastly because I think we all tend to forget I know I have. The face of the franchise, the consummate professional on and off the field, the 2x super bowl MVP might be his last season in blue. Let's try and enjoy it..
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Post by bavarobeast on Aug 18, 2019 9:23:16 GMT -5
Let me ask you guys, if the Giants are fully committed on playing Eli Manning and thinking they are contenders this season, then wouldnt the better option to help eli and the 2019 Giants have been to not take a player at 6 who adds zero value to the 2019 team? Wouldnt you add a pass rusher who adds immediate value to helping the 2019 team be as successful as possible? My take is Giants brass wants Eli of old to emerge. They love him and he has been a great Giant. They are reluctant to believe that will be the case. Eli has looked bad ( with short bursts of old Eli ) for a while now - years. Giants love Jones and didn't want to pass on him while hoping and praying Eli could have a very good year. Jones will be better that Tua who is put together with spit and Fromm who is a talented game manager surrounded by great playmakers and very solid OL. Fromm will be a good pro but not to DJ's level IMHO. Tua will be broken in half.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 18, 2019 9:26:54 GMT -5
Of course Eli is starting the season. This is Eli's swan song, I find it very unlikely Eli his getting an extension this year. The Giants made that clear when they drafted Jones 6th overall. Eli is a competitor but he's also not a dummy. This is a business first, hurting feelings is part of the game. T Most of us want to see Jones play right away, I know I do. But the Giants are not that type of franchise, they want Jones to crawl before they teach him out to walk. And lastly because I think we all tend to forget I know I have. The face of the franchise, the consummate professional on and off the field, the 2x super bowl MVP might be his last season in blue. Let's try and enjoy it.. well said and I feel pretty much the same way....just highlighted a few of the major points
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Post by Fletch842 on Aug 18, 2019 9:46:37 GMT -5
nope...this is Eli's swan song no matter how he plays. At least thats my view So this is the it On a short lash and if he plays good , he is gone . I am glad I have more faith in the FO than some do. Because if he can get to the Playoffs and beyond. I see an extension. I agree, if he plays well, and we make a playoff run, he'll get an extension if he wants one.
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Post by TEM on Aug 18, 2019 9:48:19 GMT -5
So this is the it On a short lash and if he plays good , he is gone . I am glad I have more faith in the FO than some do. Because if he can get to the Playoffs and beyond. I see an extension. I agree, if he plays well, and we make a playoff run, he'll get an extension if he wants one. IMO: if he has a good run . he retires.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 18, 2019 9:55:23 GMT -5
So this is the it On a short lash and if he plays good , he is gone . I am glad I have more faith in the FO than some do. Because if he can get to the Playoffs and beyond. I see an extension. I agree, if he plays well, and we make a playoff run, he'll get an extension if he wants one. yeah.....the only way I see Eli on the NYGs next season is if Jones gets hurt. Thats not out of any hate or whatever to Eli at all its just the scenario I see.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 18, 2019 10:00:50 GMT -5
I actually think Shurmer hand picked Jones because he was looking for as perfect a fit to his system as possible,the same reasons I feel a major reason we passed on Darnold and the other QBs at 2 and made it easier to take Barkley. I also agree that the clock starts ticking on Shurmer in 2020,that this year and last year ars basicly mulligans IMO: Until DJ is fully matured as a QB or hits a celling . The Job is his. The perennial losing teams (andino we are in a slump) cycle of losing 1.fire coach 2.draft qb top t 3.year later change OCs 4.fire coach after 2 years,qb is now in 3rd system in 2 years 5.year later fire GM 6.draft another qb early in round 1 Repeat cycle Yes at times this organization can move at a glacial pace,but at the same time stability is what will make this work.. Gettleman and Acorsi late Jan had to tell Mara this was probably a complete rebuild and will take 3 to 4 years (while taking the on paper last shot last year ). You don't pull the rug on Shurmer after he finally found his guy after this year(I'm actually shocked Gruden didn't take him seeing what I'm seeing in preseason because Gruden not only had him at the senior bowl but fixed some mechanics during practice week as he is apt to do with any qb he is around.. The instant gratification crowd is not going to be happy if the year goes how I see it while being blind with all the good that will be happening even though it doesnt translate into wins right away
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 18, 2019 10:05:18 GMT -5
Eli is the franchise QB so he's going to be the starter. But he's going to be on a shorter leash since he's never had a potential successor waiting in the wings to take his job. While the Giants would ideally like Eli to be the starter for the entire year, I don't doubt that they'd bench him for Jones if Eli struggles and the season starts slipping away. What if Eli find his fountain of youth and plays great this year and forces the Giants to play him all year long? Is it a no doubt 100% we just let him go after this season and start DJ in 2020?
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 18, 2019 10:10:19 GMT -5
So this is the it On a short lash and if he plays good , he is gone . I am glad I have more faith in the FO than some do. Because if he cam get to the Playoffs and beyond. I see an extension. This is my complete view... if Eli has a great season its akin to catching lighting in a bottle and a like a last hurrah so to speak. He is old and hasnt performed well above and beyond the oline issues. He is not going to go on a 3 year run of playing great football. I have faith that the FO is giving Eli his due and also looking forward to the future with Jones. BTW...I am not trying to convince you otherwise because your view is certainly valid as well. There is no single "right way" to transition form Eli to Jones I more than ever think that now that we have Jones he is done after this year. I also more than ever think that the meeting he called himself with Gettalman was about his pending ending.Its very telling nothing was leaked about this meeting,and we know Eli is as honest as they come. My theory is that Gettleman himself didn't want Eli to leave until we had his replacement on the roster and probably if anything got a verbal agreement he would come back next year if we didnt take a guy this year,so that they wouldn't have to force a qb pick this year I also think Eli might have even given his opinion on some of the pending QBs from this class and next year(I think he had Lock,Stridham,Fromm,Eason and I think even Herbert at the camp him and his brother run and we know his relationship with Jons)..he is about as unselfish a player I have ever seen (while at the same time not going to give up his job without a fight) He looks at peace this year,the expression on his face after that TD pass was that confident smirk about knowing Jones seems to be legit,almost like a father being proud of his son after a game winning grand slam in little league
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 18, 2019 10:13:23 GMT -5
Eli is the franchise QB so he's going to be the starter. But he's going to be on a shorter leash since he's never had a potential successor waiting in the wings to take his job. While the Giants would ideally like Eli to be the starter for the entire year, I don't doubt that they'd bench him for Jones if Eli struggles and the season starts slipping away. What if Eli find his fountain of youth and plays great this year and forces the Giants to play him all year long? Is it a no doubt 100% we just let him go after this season and start DJ in 2020? What if he told Gettleman last Jan that he is done after this year no matter what and wants to go out on a high note. Nothing wrong with leaving with a little in the tank. I'd rather have his last memory being a good one than a qb on the bench a broken down shell of himself that hung on a year long
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Post by TEM on Aug 18, 2019 10:13:33 GMT -5
IMO: Until DJ is fully matured as a QB or hits a celling . The Job is his. The perennial losing teams (andino we are in a slump) cycle of losing 1.fire coach 2.draft qb top t 3.year later change OCs 4.fire coach after 2 years,qb is now in 3rd system in 2 years 5.year later fire GM 6.draft another qb early in round 1 Repeat cycle Yes at times this organization can move at a glacial pace,but at the same time stability is what will make this work.. Gettleman and Acorsi late Jan had to tell Mara this was probably a complete rebuild and will take 3 to 4 years (while taking the on paper last shot last year ). You don't pull the rug on Shurmer after he finally found his guy after this year(I'm actually shocked Gruden didn't take him seeing what I'm seeing in preseason because Gruden not only had him at the senior bowl but fixed some mechanics during practice week as he is apt to do with any qb he is around.. The instant gratification crowd is not going to be happy if the year goes how I see it while being blind with all the good that will be happening even though it doesnt translate into wins right away Well said . All facts .
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