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Post by SG88 on Jan 16, 2020 9:52:43 GMT -5
6-10. We are shaky at QB, putrid at rushing the QB, and have a lot of youth on defense. This isn't our year. Next year I see a potential division title happening. I hope for a lot better this season, but I'm not expecting much from the giants of 2019. I was kind of close in my thinking. I'm such a homer for thinking that we could go 6-10. Lol
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Post by giantsalmon on Jan 16, 2020 9:55:09 GMT -5
Is there a way to see who voted what up top? I did the Vegas poll, and went under...I chuckled when O'Hara had us at 10-6. You have to know that O'Hara is/was one of the biggest Eli homers there is/was. He thought he would play all season(not that I think the record would have been better, because I don't--but he certainly did). I think successful players need to have belief, and O'Hara certainly was a key component in the '07 run.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 10:03:50 GMT -5
I see the mistakes...you forgot the Engram blocking a top pass rusher one on one...that's a huge mistake. I see them, and see a lot of coaching mistake all over the league...I just don't demand perfection in the BB way with the Giants. I can handpick mistakes with TC during the Super Bowl runs...but we won, so they are overlooked. We can film study every game, and see where coaches mess up...yes, I notice them. It's a game of chess, sometimes the other coaches make a better move...and if their pieces are able to do more, then their moves become easier to accomplish. I want Garrett as OC and his O-Line coach...good with QB's, and might get this running game on track. You seem offended on a different opinion...I still strongly believe Pat Shurmur was the coach for next year...we disagree. It's okay...people have differing opinions. And that's it in a nutshell. You could choose to talk about what Shurmur has done poorly, but you just want to look away, point out what other have done poorly. I see that mistake as a QB possibly getting hurt, and Engram tweaking his big toe. A double injury waiting to happen. Seriously...I see a lot more then you want to believe...but it all falls back on lack of talent, by DG...and getting our franchise QB off the ground. Do I want the best head coaches? Sure. Did you watch the Super Bowl last year?...notice how poorly Sean McVay coached, because the master schooled him. This year the rams took a step back...is Sean McVay a bad coach now? Watching that game was awe inspiring for the x and o's... If I had more time, I could discuss each play and game to the finest detail...I apologize to so many good posters here as I wish I can join in many debates vs clicking likes....just have no time. And now, the time I have...I do enjoy looking at college prospects. So yes, I see some poor game management, and a few poor calls...so I can say he certainly is not the best HC in the league, but he is not responsible for the losing and not the worst HC in the league...it's Gettleman and his all over the place checker game that causes more problems here. I knew he was a poor GM as soon as he took Barkley vs a trade back.
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Post by Delicreep on Jan 16, 2020 10:12:02 GMT -5
And that's it in a nutshell. You could choose to talk about what Shurmur has done poorly, but you just want to look away, point out what other have done poorly. I see that mistake as a QB possibly getting hurt, and Engram tweaking his big toe. A double injury waiting to happen. Seriously...I see a lot more then you want to believe...but it all falls back on lack of talent, by DG...and getting our franchise QB off the ground. Do I want the best head coaches? Sure. Did you watch the Super Bowl last year?...notice how poorly Sean McVay coached, because the master schooled him. This year the rams took a step back...is Sean McVay a bad coach now? Watching that game was awe inspiring for the x and o's... If I had more time, I could discuss each play and game to the finest detail...I apologize to so many good posters here as I wish I can join in many debates vs clicking likes....just have no time. And now, the time I have...I do enjoy looking at college prospects. So yes, I see some poor game management, and a few poor calls...so I can say he certainly is not the best HC in the league, but he is not responsible for the losing and not the worst HC in the league...it's Gettleman and his all over the place checker game that causes more problems here. I knew he was a poor GM as soon as he took Barkley vs a trade back. If that's your bar for success, we have completed this discussion.
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Post by infinite420 on Jan 16, 2020 10:53:30 GMT -5
5-11 or 6-10. How exactly people think well be better that last year, boggles my mind.
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Post by soflo on Jan 16, 2020 11:21:17 GMT -5
Well, this didn't age well...and it didn't age well with most predictions being 7 or 8 wins, LMAO!
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Post by soflo on Jan 16, 2020 11:26:20 GMT -5
And that's it in a nutshell. You could choose to talk about what Shurmur has done poorly, but you just want to look away, point out what other have done poorly. I see that mistake as a QB possibly getting hurt, and Engram tweaking his big toe. A double injury waiting to happen. Seriously...I see a lot more then you want to believe...but it all falls back on lack of talent, by DG...and getting our franchise QB off the ground. Do I want the best head coaches? Sure. Did you watch the Super Bowl last year?...notice how poorly Sean McVay coached, because the master schooled him. This year the rams took a step back...is Sean McVay a bad coach now? Watching that game was awe inspiring for the x and o's... If I had more time, I could discuss each play and game to the finest detail...I apologize to so many good posters here as I wish I can join in many debates vs clicking likes....just have no time. And now, the time I have...I do enjoy looking at college prospects. So yes, I see some poor game management, and a few poor calls...so I can say he certainly is not the best HC in the league, but he is not responsible for the losing and not the worst HC in the league...it's Gettleman and his all over the place checker game that causes more problems here. I knew he was a poor GM as soon as he took Barkley vs a trade back. Based on how things are looking right now, Nick Chubb and Quenton Nelson looks better than Barkley/Hernandez. But, we are all prisoners of the moment. Take a time machine back to 2005 and everyone would have given their right arm to have kept Rivers. Maybe they still would, but history has now recorded that Eli is a 2x SB MVP and Rivers isn't.
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Post by TEM on Jan 16, 2020 11:43:43 GMT -5
5-11 or 6-10. How exactly people think well be better that last year, boggles my mind. It is easy to say that after the fact. Do you expect the "I told you so award" ? Wait you don't qualify . You never commented on this post before your; I have all the information after the season comment.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 12:03:45 GMT -5
5-11 or 6-10. How exactly people think well be better that last year, boggles my mind. It is easy to say that after the fact. Do you expect the "I told you so award" ? Wait you don't qualify . You never commented on this post before your; I have all the information after the season comment. Absolutely TEM...but many posters could see the talent level as poor, experts who predict these things as a science in Vegas had it at 6 games, before Jones. Others, might see Shurmur has not being able to coach...and being a bad/horrific head coach. I disagree in it being his fault we lost games. This was a situation where you could bet some green and win or lose...any honestly, anybody could see the questions on dense at the start...we were young, and not much talent. The surprising thing was, at least for me.... how we thought the OL was good. That one failure IMHO, as well as getting a rookie QB in there, got us to the record we had....the under 6. IMHO of course....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 12:07:17 GMT -5
I see that mistake as a QB possibly getting hurt, and Engram tweaking his big toe. A double injury waiting to happen. Seriously...I see a lot more then you want to believe...but it all falls back on lack of talent, by DG...and getting our franchise QB off the ground. Do I want the best head coaches? Sure. Did you watch the Super Bowl last year?...notice how poorly Sean McVay coached, because the master schooled him. This year the rams took a step back...is Sean McVay a bad coach now? Watching that game was awe inspiring for the x and o's... If I had more time, I could discuss each play and game to the finest detail...I apologize to so many good posters here as I wish I can join in many debates vs clicking likes....just have no time. And now, the time I have...I do enjoy looking at college prospects. So yes, I see some poor game management, and a few poor calls...so I can say he certainly is not the best HC in the league, but he is not responsible for the losing and not the worst HC in the league...it's Gettleman and his all over the place checker game that causes more problems here. I knew he was a poor GM as soon as he took Barkley vs a trade back. Based on how things are looking right now, Nick Chubb and Quenton Nelson looks better than Barkley/Hernandez. But, we are all prisoners of the moment. Take a time machine back to 2005 and everyone would have given their right arm to have kept Rivers. Maybe they still would, but history has now recorded that Eli is a 2x SB MVP and Rivers isn't. And with a trade down, we could have had Derwin James or/and LT Wynn from Georgia...any combinations of core players to rebuild ...if we didn't believe we were so close to a playoffs... Barkley could of gotten us a few good picks, as well as being in position to take the hall of fame talent Nelson and a 2nd round RB (remember how deep that class was?) as the QB love was strong that year, and we had quite a few of them
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Post by infinite420 on Jan 16, 2020 13:43:14 GMT -5
5-11 or 6-10. How exactly people think well be better that last year, boggles my mind. It is easy to say that after the fact. Do you expect the "I told you so award" ? Wait you don't qualify . You never commented on this post before your; I have all the information after the season comment. Thats this years prediction.......I did predict a 5 win season in '19
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Post by TEM on Jan 16, 2020 13:44:53 GMT -5
It is easy to say that after the fact. Do you expect the "I told you so award" ? Wait you don't qualify . You never commented on this post before your; I have all the information after the season comment. Thats this years prediction.......I did predict a 5 win season in '19 I did not see it.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Jan 16, 2020 15:25:58 GMT -5
Well, this didn't age well...and it didn't age well with most predictions being 7 or 8 wins, LMAO! Lol was accused of being too pessimistic at 6-7 wins.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Jan 16, 2020 15:30:29 GMT -5
Going optimistic and saying 11-5. We lost some skill and experience but seems that we gained unity and youth. Let's go Giants! this poster was correct to think 11 wins would have been a far fetched guess.
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Post by Waybackfan on Jan 16, 2020 18:42:42 GMT -5
5-8 wins possible.
5 wins probable.
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Post by EliDaGoat713 on Jan 16, 2020 23:24:56 GMT -5
Damn only 1 person got it right.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 16, 2020 23:40:01 GMT -5
I was accused of being pessimistic calling 2019 a write off year at 6-10
Oooof
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Post by McCherry on Jan 17, 2020 0:13:35 GMT -5
If this team wins only 5 games this season it would be a bigger disaster than what we just went through.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Jan 17, 2020 0:32:24 GMT -5
If this team wins only 5 games this season it would be a bigger disaster than what we just went through. well it could happen with a first time hc . its now about 2021 imo.
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