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Post by dannydimes8 on Oct 16, 2019 22:08:27 GMT -5
How do you rate corners? Breaking down coaches film? (They do). I’m being serious. I’m all for anyone dismissing PFF, but their guys watch every play of every player. So if that’s not good, what is a good measure to grade corners? Peters is 26 years with 24 career INTs and 67 passes defended. He was on the forks in a defensive battle in the SB last year against NE. He picked off Jimmy G last week as they had the Niners passing game shut down. Yup and he's not a head case at all ! Seriously do you know the Giants at all? Marcus Peters would be the best corner on the Giants by a country mile. That’s what I know. If you want to dispute that support it with facts because there aren’t any. I don’t know what you think the Giants are, but a bad football team is what we need them to stop being. That requires good football players.
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Post by DandyDon on Oct 16, 2019 22:16:24 GMT -5
I never said they did. The team scored 10 and gave up 35. If you want to describe that as "playing them well," have at it. IMO, the only reason anyone would say they played well against the Pats was if they bought into the BS in the media (and here) that suggested we should sit DJ so he wouldnt get hurt, or that we might get shut out. I actually saw a post here suggesting we forfeit, although not sure it was serious. Lets agree to disagree. But it makes me sad for our fan base when I see posts like I've seen here around the Pats game. Yes you did say that. This is your exact quote. The defense gave up 35 points...
As for why people would say they played well...because they clearly did and 99% of the people that watched that game would agree. If you hold Tom Brady to zero TDs and 1 Int and stop the Pats on 2 4th downs and score a defensive TD against them and have the only passing TD on the year against them that is pretty damn good.
Ok, my bad, that's not what I meant. It's just amazing to me that anyone can claim we played a team "well" and lose by 20+ points. Sad, actually. And if 99% of the people that watched the game agree with you, it just makes me even more sad.
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 16, 2019 23:09:26 GMT -5
Yes you did say that. This is your exact quote.
As for why people would say they played well...because they clearly did and 99% of the people that watched that game would agree. If you hold Tom Brady to zero TDs and 1 Int and stop the Pats on 2 4th downs and score a defensive TD against them and have the only passing TD on the year against them that is pretty damn good.
Ok, my bad, that's not what I meant. It's just amazing to me that anyone can claim we played a team "well" and lose by 20+ points. Sad, actually. And if 99% of the people that watched the game agree with you, it just makes me even more sad. The defense DID play well. You obviously didn't watch the game because the defense did not give up 35 points. They gave up 21 points AND scored a TD themselves.
Clearly they were worn down in the end because the offense couldn't stay on the field.
But 21 points AND a TD scored is a heck of a performance in NE.
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Post by Fletch842 on Oct 17, 2019 6:12:19 GMT -5
Ok, my bad, that's not what I meant. It's just amazing to me that anyone can claim we played a team "well" and lose by 20+ points. Sad, actually. And if 99% of the people that watched the game agree with you, it just makes me even more sad. The defense DID play well. You obviously didn't watch the game because the defense did not give up 35 points. They gave up 21 points AND scored a TD themselves.
Clearly they were worn down in the end because the offense couldn't stay on the field.
But 21 points AND a TD scored is a heck of a performance in NE.
They also have been showing more cohesiveness than we were seeing the first few weeks. While the score was ugly, there were certainly positives from the defensive side of the ball to give us hope for the D going forward.
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Post by giantsalmon on Oct 17, 2019 7:35:23 GMT -5
The defense DID play well. You obviously didn't watch the game because the defense did not give up 35 points. They gave up 21 points AND scored a TD themselves.
Clearly they were worn down in the end because the offense couldn't stay on the field.
But 21 points AND a TD scored is a heck of a performance in NE.
They also have been showing more cohesiveness than we were seeing the first few weeks. While the score was ugly, there were certainly positives from the defensive side of the ball to give us hope for the D going forward. Absolutely. It looked to me that no player other than Stupar was in awe of them. Even with all the missing pieces every player including DJ looked like they expected to win the game. Kudos to the type of players that NYG has started to assemble. As said above, the game got away from them because it's tough enough to overcome a blocked punt for a TD, let alone a second one on a fumble return. Seeing Brady disgusted on the sideline was telling me how the D was playing. As for the offense, they went up against one of the top defenses and held their own other than pass pro. I saw the same building blocks that we saw in 2007 when NYG played their hearts out in that "meaningless" finale. This team is still short on talent but not on heart. We are going to find out a lot about the team and the coaches the next 3 weeks.
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Post by TEM on Oct 19, 2019 21:27:11 GMT -5
Why is it every time we have a bad game, Some poster wants to trade players away. We would not have 4 in the case if the Owner/FO followed that model. When has the perpetual rebuild ever worked. It can not be answered because it never has never worked. At some point the team is going to have to be left alone to mature as a unit. We can not afford the revolving door of players in key positions on roster. The only that has proven relentless single digit win seasons.
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Post by TCHOF on Oct 19, 2019 21:45:07 GMT -5
Why is it every time we have a bad game, Some poster wants to trade players away. We would not have 4 in the case if the Owner/FO followed that model. When has the perpetual rebuild ever worked. It can not be answered because it never has never worked. At some point the team is going to have to be left alone to mature as a unit. We can not afford the revolving door of players in key positions on roster. The only that has proven relentless single digit win seasons. Well, it makes sense depending on our record for certain players who won’t be here next year anyway (like Jenkins) He might be the only one though
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 20, 2019 1:15:26 GMT -5
Why is it every time we have a bad game, Some poster wants to trade players away. We would not have 4 in the case if the Owner/FO followed that model. When has the perpetual rebuild ever worked. It can not be answered because it never has never worked. At some point the team is going to have to be left alone to mature as a unit. We can not afford the revolving door of players in key positions on roster. The only that has proven relentless single digit win seasons. Be thankful these people don't run our team
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Post by TEM on Oct 20, 2019 6:58:45 GMT -5
Why is it every time we have a bad game, Some poster wants to trade players away. We would not have 4 in the case if the Owner/FO followed that model. When has the perpetual rebuild ever worked. It can not be answered because it never has never worked. At some point the team is going to have to be left alone to mature as a unit. We can not afford the revolving door of players in key positions on roster. The only that has proven relentless single digit win seasons. Well, it makes sense depending on our record for certain players who won’t be here next year anyway (like Jenkins) He might be the only one though Have we become that jaded as a fan base to think no player is worthy or will ever play out their career as a Giant . So the consent is to trade them away to avoided giving them another contract. That I could agree with if the if the contract is over priced ( Collins) . I still do not get the reasoning on the "won't be here" or our record logic. I will ask this; How can the offensive and defensive units play as one if the guy next to you is always different or we have on vets to help maintain stability?
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Post by TCHOF on Oct 20, 2019 7:20:10 GMT -5
Well, it makes sense depending on our record for certain players who won’t be here next year anyway (like Jenkins) He might be the only one though Have we become that jaded as a fan base to think no player is worthy or will ever play out their career as a Giant . So the consent is to trade them away to avoided giving them another contract. That I could agree with if the if the contract is over priced ( Collins) . I still do not get the reasoning on the "won't be here" or our record logic. I will ask this; How can the offensive and defensive units play as one if the guy next to you is always different or we have on vets to help maintain stability? Jenkins will not be here next year. He is an older, declining player on a big contract. If we are out of contention, it makes sense to trade him and get something in return, rather than cutting him at the end of the year and getting nothing in return. If we are still in the hunt, keep him and see if we can make a run. Not sure why this is so hard to grasp
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Post by keyofgmen on Oct 20, 2019 7:24:21 GMT -5
Ok, my bad, that's not what I meant. It's just amazing to me that anyone can claim we played a team "well" and lose by 20+ points. Sad, actually. And if 99% of the people that watched the game agree with you, it just makes me even more sad. The defense DID play well. You obviously didn't watch the game because the defense did not give up 35 points. They gave up 21 points AND scored a TD themselves.
Clearly they were worn down in the end because the offense couldn't stay on the field.
But 21 points AND a TD scored is a heck of a performance in NE.
Wow..Giving up 21 points is "a heck of a performance"? Low expectations I guess...haha..
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Post by Parademon1 on Oct 20, 2019 7:32:07 GMT -5
The defense DID play well. You obviously didn't watch the game because the defense did not give up 35 points. They gave up 21 points AND scored a TD themselves.
Clearly they were worn down in the end because the offense couldn't stay on the field.
But 21 points AND a TD scored is a heck of a performance in NE.
Wow..Giving up 21 points is "a heck of a performance"? Low expectations I guess...haha.. In this new high scoring NFL where almost all the rules are in favor of the O as are the refs, giving up just 21ppg would be great. Last time a D gave up under 200pts in a season was 2002 TB Bucs.
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Post by TEM on Oct 20, 2019 7:59:32 GMT -5
Have we become that jaded as a fan base to think no player is worthy or will ever play out their career as a Giant . So the consent is to trade them away to avoided giving them another contract. That I could agree with if the if the contract is over priced ( Collins) . I still do not get the reasoning on the "won't be here" or our record logic. I will ask this; How can the offensive and defensive units play as one if the guy next to you is always different or we have on vets to help maintain stability? Jenkins will not be here next year. He is an older, declining player on a big contract. If we are out of contention, it makes sense to trade him and get something in return, rather than cutting him at the end of the year and getting nothing in return. If we are still in the hunt, keep him and see if we can make a run. Not sure why this is so hard to grasp Jenkins will not be here next year. He is an older, declining player on a big contract. According to who? Can you provide any tangible evidence to support any of this . I have read nothing to suggest any of this. These are actual facts: He leads the team in interceptions ( half the team's ints) ( top 5 in the league) He is 3rd in tackles on the team and he is a corner. He has taken 98% of the Defensive snap's Not bad stats for a player in as you say decline . If he is as you say in decline. Why is he taking 98% of the defensive snaps? Corners are expensive especially good ones. We are ranked 15th in completions against. If we are out of contention, it makes sense to trade him and get something in return, rather than cutting him at the end of the year and getting nothing in return.
If we are still in the hunt, keep him and see if we can make a run.
Since when has it become a win winning model to trade away your top players? Name one team in the cap era that improved the team for the following year by trading away its top players? Not sure why this is so hard to grasp
Because they are straws based upon opinions that are flawed when facts are shown.
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