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Post by roundabout on Dec 2, 2019 8:51:33 GMT -5
Really? News to me. So when he has a 4 touchdown game I'll just leave it as "he's a rookie." Great, glad we got that out of the way. He's a rookie folks. Nothing to see here, he's just a rookie.. I am going to say this in very simple terms. That way it is easy to understand . Rookies have good games and bad games. I would rather a few good game mixed in with the bad. If you cannot see that I suggest you read this . www.optimumscouting.com/news/the-rookie-quarterbacks-are-struggling-and-that-s-That way you can get a basic understanding that rookie QB have issues that can be over come as the mature. I suggest TheAnalyst read it as well. It seems he is also undedicated a the trials and tribulations of Rookie QBs as well. Good post..I guess some people don’t understand It takes More than 10 games to evaluate a rookie quarterback.Second point he is playing behind a horrific team. Let’s put a better team behind him and give him til the end of next year Before jumping down his throat every week.Geez doesn’t anybody remember Eli his first year?
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Post by TEM on Dec 2, 2019 8:59:10 GMT -5
I am going to say this in very simple terms. That way it is easy to understand . Rookies have good games and bad games. I would rather a few good game mixed in with the bad. If you cannot see that I suggest you read this . www.optimumscouting.com/news/the-rookie-quarterbacks-are-struggling-and-that-s-That way you can get a basic understanding that rookie QB have issues that can be over come as the mature. I suggest TheAnalyst read it as well. It seems he is also undedicated a the trials and tribulations of Rookie QBs as well. Good post..I guess some people don’t understand It takes More than 10 games to evaluate a rookie quarterback.Second point he is playing behind a horrific team. Let’s put a better team behind him and give him til the end of next year Before jumping down his throat every week.Geez doesn’t anybody remember Eli his first year? I do not think the team is horrific. Inexperienced yes. Too much dead cap yes. We are a couple of pieces away, and a few turnovers away from winning games. We were in the game against some good teams this year. Without the turnovers it might have been different outcomes.
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Post by piddy283 on Dec 2, 2019 9:09:51 GMT -5
Unfortunately, to this point, Jones hasn't done much to prove doubters wrong. He's shown some flashes, but the concerns coming out of college were around arm strength, ball security, and accuracy. So far, these concerns are real. There are a number of variables outside Jones' control contributing to his struggles. He's also a rookie, so the hope is many of these concerns will eventually be worked out. Here's to hope! i disagree he has thrown a td in every start as a rookie and has multiple 4 td games. he has had his bad moments and turnovers but as rookie that is expected. Absolutely, he's shown some flashes. He's looked good at times, in less than ideal circumstances. He's also shown concerning trends. As a rookie, we obviously give him a bunch of slack. The worry is these trends are in line with the concerns he had coming out of college. This isn't specific to yesterday's game, and this isn't necessarily a knock, it's simply an observation based on his play to date compared to the expectations coming out of college. In my opinion, he has the tools to take a huge jump from year 1 to year 2, especially if we continue to focus on improving the OL. So, here's to hope!
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Post by OrangeGiant on Dec 2, 2019 9:16:38 GMT -5
I really do think Jones will be fine, it's hard to blame him when he is playing behind this horrible OL, which has regressed as far as what I can see.
Again hindsight being 20/20, I now believe he should not have played this season. I was one of the ones clamoring for him to play, guilty as charged. I was wrong.
I think he should have sat and watched and learned, like Rogers, Mahomes, etc. I think now that Eli caught a lot of shit that was undeserved, I don't know how you can't think that watching this team every week. Don't get me wrong, I still think Eli was on the decline, but ask yourself...if you knew we would be 2-10, and Jones would be subjected to what he has been, would you still have wanted him to play? Not me...
Hey I'm not an expert, maybe I'm wrong about this too. I just don't want to see this kid ruined playing behind this garbage OL. I did not expect to win many games this season, I thought 7-9 at best. But I did expect the OL to be much improved....it isn't.
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 2, 2019 9:31:18 GMT -5
Really? News to me. So when he has a 4 touchdown game I'll just leave it as "he's a rookie." Great, glad we got that out of the way. He's a rookie folks. Nothing to see here, he's just a rookie.. I am going to say this in very simple terms. That way it is easy to understand . Rookies have good games and bad games. I would rather a few good game mixed in with the bad. If you cannot see that I suggest you read this . www.optimumscouting.com/news/the-rookie-quarterbacks-are-struggling-and-that-s-That way you can get a basic understanding that rookie QB have issues that can be over come as the mature. I suggest TheAnalyst read it as well. It seems he is also undedicated a the trials and tribulations of Rookie QBs too. I’m going to make it more simpler for you. Because, I have too. No shit!
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Post by TEM on Dec 2, 2019 9:35:28 GMT -5
I am going to say this in very simple terms. That way it is easy to understand . Rookies have good games and bad games. I would rather a few good game mixed in with the bad. If you cannot see that I suggest you read this . www.optimumscouting.com/news/the-rookie-quarterbacks-are-struggling-and-that-s-That way you can get a basic understanding that rookie QB have issues that can be over come as the mature. I suggest TheAnalyst read it as well. It seems he is also undedicated a the trials and tribulations of Rookie QBs too. I’m going to make it more simpler for you. Because, I have too. No shit!
Apparently you were clueless about that yesterday. This was your statement. Really? News to me. So when he has a 4 touchdown game I'll just leave it as "he's a rookie." Great, glad we got that out of the way.
He's a rookie folks. Nothing to see here, he's just a rookie..
Now if you went being clueless. You were being a complete A##Hole for no reason at all.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 2, 2019 9:48:21 GMT -5
I though he played real well until they put him in a position where the game was out of hand to try and do too much. It started after that ridiculous execution of that Jet sweep that lost a bunch of yards and the next play was 3rd and 18, where he forced it and through the INT. Just got worse after that. But he gets no time to throw. None. Solder is a joke, and Halapio can’t call the line so the A gap gets protected. So many assignments getting screwed up that I’m ready to blame the coaching staff, and it’s Shurmur’s job to have a quality staff. So I’m beginning to think Shurmur might have to go. Unless he changes his O-line coach and defensive coordinator, but he should have changed one or both of them already. Shurmur is starting to remind me of Mac Adope to stubborn to change. we all know doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result is "INSANITY". I was in his corner but he needs to change big time or he should be gone, the only reason I'm not 1000% he should go is because the rookie QB is his hand picked guy, changing coaches and systems just wastes years of his development.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 2, 2019 9:49:44 GMT -5
what happened to ,, the oline sucks , the rec's ran the wrong route and the wind was whipping in the meadow lands? DJ doesnt get these excuses? These can all be explained away because he a rookie. He is probably not used to the Meadowlands, he has different receivers every week and the oline still sucks. Plus Harooni is not here any more to bring these points up. HAROONI is lurking somewhere under some name ready to pounce.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 2, 2019 9:56:33 GMT -5
Yeah. And he kept coming back, changing his screen name each time so "no one could recognize him." Foiled again...🙄 We all know what he is and who he is. He does this, as do the other 2 multi account holders to get these types of reactions. There is about 4 to 7 multi named what evers on here, easy to spot they all have the same narrative all the time lol.
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 2, 2019 12:17:11 GMT -5
I’m going to make it more simpler for you. Because, I have too. No shit!
Apparently you were clueless about that yesterday. This was your statement. Really? News to me. So when he has a 4 touchdown game I'll just leave it as "he's a rookie." Great, glad we got that out of the way.
He's a rookie folks. Nothing to see here, he's just a rookie..
Now if you went being clueless. You were being a complete A##Hole for no reason at all.
I get called clueless and an ******* in one post. Bravo TEM, conversating with you has now become a chore. Next time, reread my posts, before you decide to be a ****
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 2, 2019 12:19:28 GMT -5
These can all be explained away because he a rookie. He is probably not used to the Meadowlands, he has different receivers every week and the oline still sucks. Plus Harooni is not here any more to bring these points up. HAROONI is lurking somewhere under some name ready to pounce. He is actually pro jones
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Post by TEM on Dec 2, 2019 12:31:54 GMT -5
Apparently you were clueless about that yesterday. This was your statement. Really? News to me. So when he has a 4 touchdown game I'll just leave it as "he's a rookie." Great, glad we got that out of the way.
He's a rookie folks. Nothing to see here, he's just a rookie..
Now if you went being clueless. You were being a complete A##Hole for no reason at all.
I get called clueless and an ******* in one post. Bravo TEM, conversating with you has now become a chore. Next time, reread my posts, before you decide to be a **** I will treat you the way you treat me. If you want respect ( I am all for) Then show some. Do not think in any way I will be you stomping boy. I will give it as good as I get it. I would rather have respectful conversation . If you want the same.. Do so when you respond to my posts.
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Post by Parademon1 on Dec 2, 2019 12:55:22 GMT -5
People saying they wish NY hadn't put the kid in this yr cuz of a bad OL, etc, are clueless. These are the best circumstances to throw a rookie QB into. If he can't handle the adversity when nothing is going your way & your team stinks, then he shouldn't be an NFL QB. This is a huge learning experience for him being that he will have the taste of struggling to win games & being ridiculed by the media/fans/opponents & never wanna have that taste in his mouth again. Those of you wanting him to start only when the team is built to win are very ignorant of how to build a rookie QB & team. Eli went thru adversity his rookie yr & the next yr the team went 11-5 & won the div. I'm glad DJ is going through growing pains & taking his lumps now, if he can put up the passing stats that he has with an atrocious OL & bad run game, imagine what he'll do behind a good OL & run game? If by the end of next season he hasn't shown any improvement despite getting a better OL/run game, I'll be shocked & have to say that he may not be the QB for this team, but I doubt he won't improve his numbers & reduce his fumbling issues as the OL/run game improve.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 2, 2019 13:07:23 GMT -5
HAROONI is lurking somewhere under some name ready to pounce. He is actually pro jones I stopped trying to figure out these guys lol but thanks for the heads up.
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Post by GameTime on Dec 2, 2019 13:09:41 GMT -5
I get called clueless and an ******* in one post. Bravo TEM, conversating with you has now become a chore. Next time, reread my posts, before you decide to be a **** I will treat you the way you treat me. If you want respect ( I am all for) Then show some. Do not think in any way I will be you stomping boy. I will give it as good as I get it. I would rather have respectful conversation . If you want the same.. Do so when you respond to my posts. ok Ladies.... lets play nice....
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Post by leonperry on Dec 2, 2019 13:24:47 GMT -5
i disagree he has thrown a td in every start as a rookie and has multiple 4 td games. he has had his bad moments and turnovers but as rookie that is expected. Absolutely, he's shown some flashes. He's looked good at times, in less than ideal circumstances. He's also shown concerning trends. As a rookie, we obviously give him a bunch of slack. The worry is these trends are in line with the concerns he had coming out of college. This isn't specific to yesterday's game, and this isn't necessarily a knock, it's simply an observation based on his play to date compared to the expectations coming out of college. In my opinion, he has the tools to take a huge jump from year 1 to year 2, especially if we continue to focus on improving the OL. So, here's to hope! as good and fair a summation as any, I would say... has shown good potential and concerns that might stunt his career
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 13:38:08 GMT -5
To me Jones looks like he'll make a classic, solid Giants qb, maybe not great, but very good, good enough to get the wins with a team around him. Dude is definitely a gamer, and contrary to some opinion I think he has a good arm. These turnovers are all part of the ole rookie season, so many great qbs have been turnover machines in their first year. i think he'll work through this, hes determined and seems pretty sharp, i can only see him getting better and better. if he ends up with some less than stellar tendencies, i think he'll overcome it with some big plays. i think he'll be eli or phil simms ish in that it aint always spectacular but itll be good enough to hoist a trophy one day should the rest of the darned organization get its collective head together.
thats all im hoping for anyway
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Dec 2, 2019 13:47:14 GMT -5
i disagree he has thrown a td in every start as a rookie and has multiple 4 td games. he has had his bad moments and turnovers but as rookie that is expected. Absolutely, he's shown some flashes. He's looked good at times, in less than ideal circumstances. He's also shown concerning trends. As a rookie, we obviously give him a bunch of slack. The worry is these trends are in line with the concerns he had coming out of college. This isn't specific to yesterday's game, and this isn't necessarily a knock, it's simply an observation based on his play to date compared to the expectations coming out of college. In my opinion, he has the tools to take a huge jump from year 1 to year 2, especially if we continue to focus on improving the OL. So, here's to hope! showing flashes is not 4td games, LOL THIS Generation. showing flashes is good throws in bad games. He has shown he can play at this level. now get him more talent at wr and experience. He will be fine , i dont know how far he can go you do need a solid D to win championships.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 2, 2019 13:56:42 GMT -5
Absolutely, he's shown some flashes. He's looked good at times, in less than ideal circumstances. He's also shown concerning trends. As a rookie, we obviously give him a bunch of slack. The worry is these trends are in line with the concerns he had coming out of college. This isn't specific to yesterday's game, and this isn't necessarily a knock, it's simply an observation based on his play to date compared to the expectations coming out of college. In my opinion, he has the tools to take a huge jump from year 1 to year 2, especially if we continue to focus on improving the OL. So, here's to hope! showing flashes is not 4td games, LOL THIS Generation. showing flashes is good throws in bad games. He has shown he can play at this level. now get him more talent at wr and experience. He will be fine , i dont know how far he can go you do need a solid D to win championships. I think he has shown some potential but you cant just say 4 Td game is not showing flashes. Blake Bortles had 4 TD games. Hell he had games of 5 TDs no INTs. His problem was the turnovers too. I think DJ is very similar on style as Blake. Not saying his ceiling is what Blake's was, but DJ has to show improvement in the turnovers. I think with a better OL he will have a good shot at it. Both very similar though with being big and athletic and able to run. The problem is, will we have a good OL anytime soon?
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 2, 2019 14:02:26 GMT -5
what happened to ,, the oline sucks , the rec's ran the wrong route and the wind was whipping in the meadow lands? DJ doesnt get these excuses? You're new here so you are probably unaware that he is getting them by mostly everyone every week and deservedly so. The team still sucks.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Dec 2, 2019 14:04:38 GMT -5
"Once again, we've lost our way" - Roanoke Fan
This team doesn't affect my mood any more. I'm excited to start my draft research in earnest and look forward to an offseason of watching lots of college football tape.
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 2, 2019 14:05:16 GMT -5
These can all be explained away because he a rookie. He is probably not used to the Meadowlands, he has different receivers every week and the oline still sucks. Plus Harooni is not here any more to bring these points up. I think you are confused that was the other posters using those excuses weekly. But anyway he had a few bad throws and that is expected being a rookie. i do think that last int was on slayton though. he was heard taking blame for it in the huddle. also i like he didnt fumble in bad weather what happened to ,, the oline sucks , the rec's ran the wrong route and the wind was whipping in the meadow lands? DJ doesnt get these excuses? Ya see? There ya go!
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 2, 2019 14:11:56 GMT -5
Tell me the rookies that started in his first year and never had these ups and downs? There must be hundreds of them judging from your posts; in fact, every one but DJ. The ups and downs are fine, but criticizing him is no worse than pretending he’s showing anything special, he’s not. Good throws and good plays are made by bad and ordinary QBs. Consistency is what is special about elite QBs. All we know is Jones can flash good and bad, that’s nothing much to go on one way or the other. I love this story. I especially love it when it's told by some moist studio analyst gushing over one recent game by a QB.
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 2, 2019 14:14:42 GMT -5
lol, no he was considered an Eli hater often in battles with those that made excuses. I remember him from the old boards. funny gifs of eli bloopers and what not. I pretty sure he was a Eli supporter but maybe your right he wasn't the most popular guy and he rarely poseted anything relevant about football so I might not remember him right. Anyway he was a Mets fans which is why I remember him. It always good to have fellow Mets fans on these boards.
He wasn't a Manning defender, he was always part of one side of the lunatic fringe. That said he was a great instigator. His football knowledge could be carried in a thimble but that wasn't what he was here for. He was here for the entertainment. I miss him.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 2, 2019 15:03:14 GMT -5
I pretty sure he was a Eli supporter but maybe your right he wasn't the most popular guy and he rarely poseted anything relevant about football so I might not remember him right. Anyway he was a Mets fans which is why I remember him. It always good to have fellow Mets fans on these boards.
He wasn't a Manning defender, he was always part of one side of the lunatic fringe. That said he was a great instigator. His football knowledge could be carried in a thimble but that wasn't what he was here for. He was here for the entertainment. I miss him. Lol
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Post by piddy283 on Dec 2, 2019 16:08:53 GMT -5
showing flashes is not 4td games, LOL THIS Generation. showing flashes is good throws in bad games. He has shown he can play at this level. now get him more talent at wr and experience. He will be fine , i dont know how far he can go you do need a solid D to win championships. I think he has shown some potential but you cant just say 4 Td game is not showing flashes. Blake Bortles had 4 TD games. Hell he had games of 5 TDs no INTs. His problem was the turnovers too. I think DJ is very similar on style as Blake. Not saying his ceiling is what Blake's was, but DJ has to show improvement in the turnovers. I think with a better OL he will have a good shot at it. Both very similar though with being big and athletic and able to run. The problem is, will we have a good OL anytime soon? Agreed. Not to take away from a 4TD game.....4 TD's is 4 TD's. However, "THIS generation" passing stats in general are bloated. This is why, to me, numbers alone aren't something to base opinions on. They matter, but numbers can be deceiving. For example, in both games Jones threw for 4TD's he also had multiple turnovers. In fact, the ratio of 4TD games to games with at least 2 turnovers is more than 1:3 at this point. So, yes, I think Jones has shown flashes. I also think he's shown concerning trends. For the most part, I believe the concerns are correctable with more experience and a better surrounding cast. I hope I'm right.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Dec 2, 2019 16:13:17 GMT -5
I think he has shown some potential but you cant just say 4 Td game is not showing flashes. Blake Bortles had 4 TD games. Hell he had games of 5 TDs no INTs. His problem was the turnovers too. I think DJ is very similar on style as Blake. Not saying his ceiling is what Blake's was, but DJ has to show improvement in the turnovers. I think with a better OL he will have a good shot at it. Both very similar though with being big and athletic and able to run. The problem is, will we have a good OL anytime soon? Agreed. Not to take away from a 4TD game.....4 TD's is 4 TD's. However, "THIS generation" passing stats in general are bloated. This is why, to me, numbers alone aren't something to base opinions on. They matter, but numbers can be deceiving. For example, in both games Jones threw for 4TD's he also had multiple turnovers. In fact, the ratio of 4TD games to games with at least 2 turnovers is more than 1:3 at this point. So, yes, I think Jones has shown flashes. I also think he's shown concerning trends. For the most part, I believe the concerns are correctable with more experience and a better surrounding cast. I hope I'm right. When I watch Jones throw I see the mechanics I see him looking downfield , I see him make plays and buy time with his legs. I agree you cant just look at stats. But If what I saw during those 4td games was not a mirage and i dont think it was. Jones has years left.
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 2, 2019 19:38:42 GMT -5
I get called clueless and an ******* in one post. Bravo TEM, conversating with you has now become a chore. Next time, reread my posts, before you decide to be a **** I will treat you the way you treat me. If you want respect ( I am all for) Then show some. Do not think in any way I will be you stomping boy. I will give it as good as I get it. I would rather have respectful conversation . If you want the same.. Do so when you respond to my posts. If I didn’t respect you, you would know it. We have difference of opinions on the team, which makes good talk. I tend to challenge a lot of posters, you for instance. Take this advice, I consider you a friend on here. You should know the way I post by now. And who’s calling us ladies? Is that Ms Doubtfire GameTime? I have to be on my best behavior, he might start reading off TJ Jones stats to me again.
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Post by piddy283 on Dec 2, 2019 19:58:49 GMT -5
Agreed. Not to take away from a 4TD game.....4 TD's is 4 TD's. However, "THIS generation" passing stats in general are bloated. This is why, to me, numbers alone aren't something to base opinions on. They matter, but numbers can be deceiving. For example, in both games Jones threw for 4TD's he also had multiple turnovers. In fact, the ratio of 4TD games to games with at least 2 turnovers is more than 1:3 at this point. So, yes, I think Jones has shown flashes. I also think he's shown concerning trends. For the most part, I believe the concerns are correctable with more experience and a better surrounding cast. I hope I'm right. When I watch Jones throw I see the mechanics I see him looking downfield , I see him make plays and buy time with his legs. I agree you cant just look at stats. But If what I saw during those 4td games was not a mirage and i dont think it was. Jones has years left. Agreed 100%. He needs a better surrounding cast. I think with a better OL, alone, our entire offense would take a huge step forward. Even with an bad OL, Jones continues to look downfield and hasn't appeared to hear footsteps. This is great, but at the same time he needs to have a better internal clock and know when to get rid of it or run. This is where I think an entire off-season of training in the NFL will do him a world of good. The tools he's shown, despite some of the real concerns, make me think he should take a big step forward.
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Post by Delicreep on Dec 2, 2019 20:06:52 GMT -5
I pretty sure he was a Eli supporter but maybe your right he wasn't the most popular guy and he rarely poseted anything relevant about football so I might not remember him right. Anyway he was a Mets fans which is why I remember him. It always good to have fellow Mets fans on these boards.
He wasn't a Manning defender, he was always part of one side of the lunatic fringe. That said he was a great instigator. His football knowledge could be carried in a thimble but that wasn't what he was here for. He was here for the entertainment. I miss him. I think I can speak for both you and Jones when I say that Harooni knew nothing about football. I think the 3 of us can all agree on that.
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