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Post by Antwuan on Dec 1, 2019 18:36:46 GMT -5
What Are Your Thoughts On Daniel Jones's Performance vs Packers Today?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 1, 2019 18:44:53 GMT -5
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Post by McCherry on Dec 1, 2019 18:49:13 GMT -5
Not one of his best games. Came out firing when the weather was at it's worst, though.
Can we get some weapons back? Engram, Tate? Shepard isn't himself since returning. Getting a look at Smith/Engram together could be interesting.
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Post by TEM on Dec 1, 2019 18:53:29 GMT -5
He is a rookie
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Post by giantsback2020 on Dec 1, 2019 19:02:10 GMT -5
I think Jones has shown as much bad as good. He can make throws, that doesn’t mean he’s a future stud. At this point I think he’s got as good a chance of being Ryan Tannehill as he does of being a good QB. I really wish we took Josh Allen and could take Burrow this year. Burrow is tearing the SEC apart.
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Post by wtfjjk on Dec 1, 2019 19:04:45 GMT -5
At this rate, maybe we can still get Burrow.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 1, 2019 19:07:04 GMT -5
Not one of his best games. Came out firing when the weather was at it's worst, though. Can we get some weapons back? Engram, Tate? Shepard isn't himself since returning. Getting a look at Smith/Engram together could be interesting. He is still playing on mostly natural talent. Made some unbelievable throws under duress. Also made some "dude no" throws ...shit happens. |
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Post by titowooten on Dec 1, 2019 19:07:55 GMT -5
we're not taking burrow that's delusional. jones is going to be the QB of this team the next 2-3 years at least, for better or worse. he has the tools to be a successful NFL QB he just needs to protect the ball better. i'll give him a pass because it's his rookie year and he's been missing some or all of his weapons not to mention barkley is having a mediocre season. if next season he's still turning the ball over twice as much as he throws TD passes we might have a problem.
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Post by yoho on Dec 1, 2019 19:21:12 GMT -5
I though he played real well until they put him in a position where the game was out of hand to try and do too much. It started after that ridiculous execution of that Jet sweep that lost a bunch of yards and the next play was 3rd and 18, where he forced it and through the INT. Just got worse after that. But he gets no time to throw. None. Solder is a joke, and Halapio can’t call the line so the A gap gets protected. So many assignments getting screwed up that I’m ready to blame the coaching staff, and it’s Shurmur’s job to have a quality staff. So I’m beginning to think Shurmur might have to go. Unless he changes his O-line coach and defensive coordinator, but he should have changed one or both of them already.
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Post by hadenough on Dec 1, 2019 19:22:21 GMT -5
Same. He makes some plays and throws, but rarely creates anything. He takes what’s there most times. Right now...not seeing a dynamic type QB. Every week I’m hoping that changes.
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Post by giantsback2020 on Dec 1, 2019 19:23:49 GMT -5
I though he played real well until they put him in a position where the game was out of hand to try and do too much. It started after that ridiculous execution of that Jet sweep that lost a bunch of yards and the next play was 3rd and 18, where he forced it and through the INT. Just got worse after that. But he gets no time to throw. None. Solder is a joke, and Halapio can’t call the line so the A gap gets protected. So many assignments getting screwed up that I’m ready to blame the coaching staff, and it’s Shurmur’s job to have a quality staff. So I’m beginning to think Shurmur might have to go. Unless he changes his O-line coach and defensive coordinator, but he should have changed one or both of them already. Dont get into the Shurmur way of things and overdoing it. He was playing ok for a period. Aaron Rodgers played “real well”. Jones rangef from ok to poor as the game went along. |
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Post by yoho on Dec 1, 2019 19:24:17 GMT -5
Same. He makes some plays and throws, but rarely creates anything. He takes what’s there most times. Right now...not seeing a dynamic type QB. Every week I’m hoping that changes. you sound as if the fact that he has absolutely no pass protection plays no part in this. He’s under constant duress. |
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Post by GameTime on Dec 1, 2019 19:31:22 GMT -5
I think Jones has shown as much bad as good. He can make throws, that doesn’t mean he’s a future stud. At this point I think he’s got as good a chance of being Ryan Tannehill as he does of being a good QB. I really wish we took Josh Allen and could take Burrow this year. Burrow is tearing the SEC apart.and you knew that was going to happen last april? |
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Post by GameTime on Dec 1, 2019 19:33:58 GMT -5
Same. He makes some plays and throws, but rarely creates anything. He takes what’s there most times. Right now...not seeing a dynamic type QB. Every week I’m hoping that changes. I disagree...he has made many completions running out of the pocket, has rushed for many good pick ups, thrown some great passes while getting his ass kicked. He has big issues with pocket awareness that has led to most of the fumbles but saying he has not created plays on his own is flat out wrong |
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Post by giantsback2020 on Dec 1, 2019 19:34:32 GMT -5
I think Jones has shown as much bad as good. He can make throws, that doesn’t mean he’s a future stud. At this point I think he’s got as good a chance of being Ryan Tannehill as he does of being a good QB. I really wish we took Josh Allen and could take Burrow this year. Burrow is tearing the SEC apart.and you knew that was going to happen last april? Last April I’d have thought Tua would have been the guy. Same logic would have applied. The 17 and 19 classes were much stronger QB classes. Our GM took one sandwiched between the 2. Ravens and Bills are 10-2 and 9-3 with QBs from the 17 class. We are 2-10. |
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 1, 2019 19:38:01 GMT -5
and you knew that was going to happen last april? Last April I’d have thought Tua would have been the guy. Same logic would have applied. The 17 and 19 classes were much stronger QB classes. Our GM took one sandwiched between the 2. Ravens and Bills are 10-2 and 9-3 with QBs from the 17 class. We are 2-10. Not coincidentally, the Ravens and Bills have also put together good teams around their young QB’s |
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Post by hadenough on Dec 1, 2019 19:38:15 GMT -5
Same. He makes some plays and throws, but rarely creates anything. He takes what’s there most times. Right now...not seeing a dynamic type QB. Every week I’m hoping that changes. you sound as if the fact that he has absolutely no pass protection plays no part in this. He’s under constant duress. Then that should give him ample opportunities to make a play. Move the pocket, create new throwing lanes, make the defense move/change directions. He doesn’t...he sits there....and continues to sit there. It’s not like he’s helping his oline by sitting there either. The defense knows exactly where he’ll be. |
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Post by GameTime on Dec 1, 2019 19:40:36 GMT -5
and you knew that was going to happen last april? Last April I’d have thought Tua would have been the guy. Same logic would have applied. The 17 and 19 classes were much stronger QB classes. Our GM took one sandwiched between the 2. Ravens and Bills are 10-2 and 9-3 with QBs from the 17 class. We are 2-10. and now he is an injury problem so there's that Jones will be fine IMO He's the best thing DG has signed off on. Wanting to take Allen is a valid argument but thinking ahead to get Tua or now the unknown Burrow is a bad plan all together |
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Post by giantsback2020 on Dec 1, 2019 19:44:03 GMT -5
Last April I’d have thought Tua would have been the guy. Same logic would have applied. The 17 and 19 classes were much stronger QB classes. Our GM took one sandwiched between the 2. Ravens and Bills are 10-2 and 9-3 with QBs from the 17 class. We are 2-10. Not coincidentally, the Ravens and Bills have also put together good teams around their young QB’s By making good decisions. That’s our GMs issue. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 1, 2019 19:44:13 GMT -5
I think Jones has shown as much bad as good. He can make throws, that doesn’t mean he’s a future stud. At this point I think he’s got as good a chance of being Ryan Tannehill as he does of being a good QB. I really wish we took Josh Allen and could take Burrow this year. Burrow is tearing the SEC apart.and you knew that was going to happen last april? Lol But But But |
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Post by DrRumack on Dec 1, 2019 19:48:15 GMT -5
What Are Your Thoughts On Daniel Jones's Performance vs Packers Today? If our season is represented by a huge turd, this is merely a chunk of corn stuck in it. |
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Post by DrRumack on Dec 1, 2019 19:50:21 GMT -5
Made some unbelievable throws under duress. Also made some "dude no" throws ...shit happens. Sounds like Eli's entire career. |
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Post by hadenough on Dec 1, 2019 19:51:30 GMT -5
Same. He makes some plays and throws, but rarely creates anything. He takes what’s there most times. Right now...not seeing a dynamic type QB. Every week I’m hoping that changes. I disagree...he has made many completions running out of the pocket, has rushed for many good pick ups, thrown some great passes while getting his ass kicked. He has big issues with pocket awareness that has led to most of the fumbles but saying he has not created plays on his own is flat out wrong He makes very few compared to other QBs. Rodgers has made a living sliding the pocket. Wentz is at his best when the pocket breaks. Jones isn’t close to making the plays those types of guys can. Jones is much closer to Eli in that regard. |
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Post by piddy283 on Dec 1, 2019 19:53:29 GMT -5
Unfortunately, to this point, Jones hasn't done much to prove doubters wrong. He's shown some flashes, but the concerns coming out of college were around arm strength, ball security, and accuracy. So far, these concerns are real.
There are a number of variables outside Jones' control contributing to his struggles. He's also a rookie, so the hope is many of these concerns will eventually be worked out.
Here's to hope!
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Post by GameTime on Dec 1, 2019 19:54:07 GMT -5
I disagree...he has made many completions running out of the pocket, has rushed for many good pick ups, thrown some great passes while getting his ass kicked. He has big issues with pocket awareness that has led to most of the fumbles but saying he has not created plays on his own is flat out wrong He makes very few compared to other QBs. Rodgers has made a living sliding the pocket. Wentz is at his best when the pocket breaks. Jones isn’t close to making the plays those types of guys can. Jones is much closer to Eli in that regard. so lets compare Jones to Rogers and Wentz.. ok....good idea You're right I have "had enough".... BTW...you're still wrong. He makes plenty of plays on "his own". |
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Post by DrRumack on Dec 1, 2019 19:55:42 GMT -5
Same. He makes some plays and throws, but rarely creates anything. He takes what’s there most times. Right now...not seeing a dynamic type QB. Every week I’m hoping that changes. What does that even mean? By making "plays and throws" he is literally creating something. Or are you using the old cliche, "he needs to use his legs and arms... THAT'S creating something!" He does that too. Throughout the whole season. Even today. Nice roll out to the right, threw slightly to the left to the TE for a first down. Ran for what? two QB sneak 1st downs on 4th. So what exactly do you mean by "rarely creates anything?" |
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Post by DrRumack on Dec 1, 2019 20:00:11 GMT -5
I disagree...he has made many completions running out of the pocket, has rushed for many good pick ups, thrown some great passes while getting his ass kicked. He has big issues with pocket awareness that has led to most of the fumbles but saying he has not created plays on his own is flat out wrong He makes very few compared to other QBs. Rodgers has made a living sliding the pocket. Wentz is at his best when the pocket breaks. Jones isn’t close to making the plays those types of guys can. Jones is much closer to Eli in that regard. You named Rodgers, arguably one of the greatest QBs of all time. And Wentz, who is severely regressing in regards to making plays when the pocket breaks. So in comparing Jones to those two guys, the first one is unfair IMO and the second one isn't as far off as you think. |
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Post by yoho on Dec 1, 2019 20:06:33 GMT -5
you sound as if the fact that he has absolutely no pass protection plays no part in this. He’s under constant duress. Then that should give him ample opportunities to make a play. Move the pocket, create new throwing lanes, make the defense move/change directions. He doesn’t...he sits there....and continues to sit there. It’s not like he’s helping his oline by sitting there either. The defense knows exactly where he’ll be. I don’t know where you saw him “sit there” today. On practically every drop back, he has a guy in his face as soon as he sets up. It’s incredible how this O-line is like a turnstile. And don’t get me wrongJones had a lot to learn yet, but man he doesn’t even have a chance. And it doesn’t look like Shurmur can scheme receive open either. |
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Post by bluebuddha on Dec 1, 2019 20:08:20 GMT -5
I disagree...he has made many completions running out of the pocket, has rushed for many good pick ups, thrown some great passes while getting his ass kicked. He has big issues with pocket awareness that has led to most of the fumbles but saying he has not created plays on his own is flat out wrong He makes very few compared to other QBs. Rodgers has made a living sliding the pocket. Wentz is at his best when the pocket breaks. Jones isn’t close to making the plays those types of guys can. Jones is much closer to Eli in that regard. Agreed he hasn't shown me anything special either. For a guy who has faced adversity so often you would think he would create plays or get out of bad ones in these duress situations instead he has done what he always done at Duke which is good but not enough to make a difference. We need to at least get him a functioning oline something these coaches cant figure out. |
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Dec 1, 2019 20:55:26 GMT -5
what happened to ,, the oline sucks , the rec's ran the wrong route and the wind was whipping in the meadow lands? DJ doesnt get these excuses?
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