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Post by McCherry on Dec 3, 2019 16:40:56 GMT -5
Hell NO. !!! Hopefully , Mara gets a clue. Whats wrong with Rivera?? He a way better coach than Shurmur and McaDoo.. so is just about every candidate out there.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 16:47:44 GMT -5
Id be reeeeeeeeeeeaaaalllllllllly cautious and methodical if we indeed jettison Shurmur. We really cant afford these complete coaching staff redo's its getting ridiculous. Rivera? Eh, the guy could probably get the team in fighting shape at least, but is he the right long term solution, the guy to take us to the big game and lead us for years to come?? right now, I have no idea lol. But methinks we should really look over all possibilities, and I mean search to the ends of the galaxy
at least rivera is an actual real head coach, but he should be the beginning of our expectation, not the end
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Post by fifthavephil on Dec 3, 2019 16:48:21 GMT -5
Hell NO. !!! Hopefully , Mara gets a clue. Whats wrong with Rivera?? He a way better coach than Shurmur and McaDoo. He's actually one of the better veteran coaches. He is good for a establish veteran team He has no offensive skills. Carolina had tto force Norvell Turner on him as OC. There defense has been average at best. They had and have Star players. Giants need a young coach that will grow with the team. Like a Mike Norvell( Memphis). Lincoln Riley ( Oklahoma), Rulhle ( Baylor) I heard rumors of Jim Harbaugh HC Redskins. He would be close to his brother
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Post by jay051 on Dec 3, 2019 16:49:52 GMT -5
Whats wrong with Rivera?? He a way better coach than Shurmur and McaDoo.. so is just about every candidate out there. True. But who out there would you take over Rivera??
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Post by DrRumack on Dec 3, 2019 16:51:09 GMT -5
Whats wrong with Rivera?? He a way better coach than Shurmur and McaDoo. He's actually one of the better veteran coaches. Giants need a young coach that will grow with the team. Like a Mike Norvell( Memphis). Lincoln Riley ( Oklahoma), Rulhle ( Baylor) I don't understand the reasoning behind your position. College coaches with no NFL HC experience often never pan out as an NFL HC.
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Post by nick030567 on Dec 3, 2019 16:51:44 GMT -5
We hand picked Shurmur and Betcher because of their past success and now we may settle for a freshly fired coach? If so, we're officially a clown franchise. Didn't we do this with Coughlin? Plus Coughlin was coming off of three straight losing seasons in Jacksonville.
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Post by jay051 on Dec 3, 2019 16:52:19 GMT -5
Whats wrong with Rivera?? He a way better coach than Shurmur and McaDoo. He's actually one of the better veteran coaches. He is good for a establish veteran team He has no offensive skills. They to force Norvell Turner on him as OC. There defense has been average at best. They had and have Star players. Giants need a young coach that will grow with the team. Like a Mike Norvell( Memphis). Lincoln Riley ( Oklahoma), Rulhle ( Baylor) I heard rumors of Jim Harbaugh HC Redskins. He would be close to his brother Ok these are valid points. Imo we need a defensive minded HC.
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Post by snyder55 on Dec 3, 2019 16:57:07 GMT -5
Eh. Ron Rivera with NY media? Not so sure. IMO based on coaching he would be worth a shot over Jason Garrett. But could be a pain media wise. TC wasn't media friendly. Just come here and get us back to winning and making playoff runs. exactly, who gives a crap about the media or what they think about anything, actually the media seems to think they have all the answers and are smarter than everybody when all they do is put out things to drum up copy to make their boss happy..
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Post by nick030567 on Dec 3, 2019 16:59:19 GMT -5
Ron Rivera would be a solid hire. People keep saying how they need a real HC, well he had a lot of success in Carolina. They were always competitive and had some great years. Match him up with a good OC and they'll be set. Plus he still needs his first Super Bowl win. If this was just a mere 24 months ago people would be all for this hire. Not saying that Rivera is the ultimate hire, but he track record is much better than anyone they interviewed in early 2018.
I think it's most likely a big mistake on their part. He's had some ups and downs but he always gets them back to being a contender.
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Post by fifthavephil on Dec 3, 2019 17:00:26 GMT -5
Giants need a young coach that will grow with the team. Like a Mike Norvell( Memphis). Lincoln Riley ( Oklahoma), Rulhle ( Baylor) I don't understand the reasoning behind your position. College coaches with no NFL HC experience often never pan out as an NFL HC. College game offensively and even defensively are incorporated in the Pro game. NFL assistances coaches never had to be on the sideline and be head of a football team. College HC at least have the experience on the sidelines.. Other alternatives recycle or assistant coaches
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Post by jay051 on Dec 3, 2019 17:01:14 GMT -5
We hand picked Shurmur and Betcher because of their past success and now we may settle for a freshly fired coach? If so, we're officially a clown franchise. Didn't we do this with Coughlin? I think TC took a year off from coaching before the giants hired him. But still Rivera is a respected HC with a good track record of winning so....in other words its the exact opposite of being a clown franchise.
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Post by southerner on Dec 3, 2019 17:01:43 GMT -5
Whats wrong with Rivera?? He a way better coach than Shurmur and McaDoo. He's actually one of the better veteran coaches. He is good for a establish veteran team He has no offensive skills. Carolina had tto force Norvell Turner on him as OC. There defense has been average at best. They had and have Star players. Giants need a young coach that will grow with the team. Like a Mike Norvell( Memphis). Lincoln Riley ( Oklahoma), Rulhle ( Baylor) I heard rumors of Jim Harbaugh HC Redskins. He would be close to his brother Almost every point you made is absolutely false. Hiring a college coach is certain death. Only fools hire college coaches to head an NFL team and say what you will about Mara, he is no fool.
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Post by snyder55 on Dec 3, 2019 17:03:08 GMT -5
Id be reeeeeeeeeeeaaaalllllllllly cautious and methodical if we indeed jettison Shurmur. We really cant afford these complete coaching staff redo's its getting ridiculous. Rivera? Eh, the guy could probably get the team in fighting shape at least, but is he the right long term solution, the guy to take us to the big game and lead us for years to come?? right now, I have no idea lol. But methinks we should really look over all possibilities, and I mean search to the ends of the galaxy at least rivera is an actual real head coach, but he should be the beginning of our expectation, not the end its a big decision to make but right now I'm leaning toward Mike McCarthy and hope it happens....
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Post by southerner on Dec 3, 2019 17:04:58 GMT -5
Rivera is the choice. Do the Giants fire Shurmur now to begin the process with Rivera?
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 3, 2019 17:05:00 GMT -5
He is good for a establish veteran team He has no offensive skills. They to force Norvell Turner on him as OC. There defense has been average at best. They had and have Star players. Giants need a young coach that will grow with the team. Like a Mike Norvell( Memphis). Lincoln Riley ( Oklahoma), Rulhle ( Baylor) I heard rumors of Jim Harbaugh HC Redskins. He would be close to his brother Ok these are valid points. Imo we need a defensive minded HC. We need a coach that will help develop Jones and make the offense explosive to compete in the modern NFL If Rivera brings Turner and he brings the things he did to scheme McCaffrey and get Moore to overachieve then this is good
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Post by snyder55 on Dec 3, 2019 17:05:36 GMT -5
Ron Rivera would be a solid hire. People keep saying how they need a real HC, well he had a lot of success in Carolina. They were always competitive and had some great years. Match him up with a good OC and they'll be set. Plus he still needs his first Super Bowl win. If this was just a mere 24 months ago people would be all for this hire. Not saying that Rivera is the ultimate hire, but he track record is much better than anyone they interviewed in early 2018.
I think it's most likely a big mistake on their part. He's had some ups and downs but he always gets them back to being a contender.
Rivera played the game himself at a high level and he knows what he sees in a player as to whether the guy has IT or not...
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Post by jay051 on Dec 3, 2019 17:06:21 GMT -5
He is good for a establish veteran team He has no offensive skills. Carolina had tto force Norvell Turner on him as OC. There defense has been average at best. They had and have Star players. Giants need a young coach that will grow with the team. Like a Mike Norvell( Memphis). Lincoln Riley ( Oklahoma), Rulhle ( Baylor) I heard rumors of Jim Harbaugh HC Redskins. He would be close to his brother Almost every point you made is absolutely false. Hiring a college coach is certain death. Only fools hire college coaches to head an NFL team and say what you will about Mara, he is no fool. So its an automatic no to hire a college hc because they had 0% success in the NFL?? Is this your pov??
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 3, 2019 17:06:26 GMT -5
Ron Rivera would be a solid hire. People keep saying how they need a real HC, well he had a lot of success in Carolina. They were always competitive and had some great years. Match him up with a good OC and they'll be set. Plus he still needs his first Super Bowl win. If this was just a mere 24 months ago people would be all for this hire. Not saying that Rivera is the ultimate hire, but he track record is much better than anyone they interviewed in early 2018.
I think it's most likely a big mistake on their part. He's had some ups and downs but he always gets them back to being a contender.
Cam falling apart physically is a big reason for this slump
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Post by snyder55 on Dec 3, 2019 17:06:48 GMT -5
Rivera is the choice. Do the Giants fire Shurmur now to begin the process with Rivera? Rivera is out of work and available so I say do it right now.......
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Post by jay051 on Dec 3, 2019 17:07:29 GMT -5
Ok these are valid points. Imo we need a defensive minded HC. We need a coach that will help develop Jones and make the offense explosive to compete in the modern NFL If Rivera brings Turner and he brings the things he did to scheme McCaffrey and get Moore to overachieve then this is good Exactly. I've always been a Norv Turner fan but ONLY as an OC. That would be ideal imo.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 3, 2019 17:08:22 GMT -5
Almost every point you made is absolutely false. Hiring a college coach is certain death. Only fools hire college coaches to head an NFL team and say what you will about Mara, he is no fool. So its an automatic no to hire a college hc because they had 0% success in the NFL?? Is this your pov?? . You mean like Jimmy Johnson or Pete Carroll?
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Post by southerner on Dec 3, 2019 17:09:13 GMT -5
I don't understand the reasoning behind your position. College coaches with no NFL HC experience often never pan out as an NFL HC. College game offensively and even defensively are incorporated in the Pro game. NFL assistances coaches never had to be on the sideline and be head of a football team. College HC at least have the experience on the sidelines.. Other alternatives recycle or assistant coaches Once again, hiring a college coach to head an NFL is certain and total failure. The Mara’s will not even consider a college head coach..... and neither will most teams in the NFL, and NONE of the historically good NFL teams will.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 3, 2019 17:09:22 GMT -5
Rivera is the choice. Do the Giants fire Shurmur now to begin the process with Rivera? Rivera is out of work and available so I say do it right now....... And bypass the Roony Rule?
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Post by jay051 on Dec 3, 2019 17:09:52 GMT -5
Ron Rivera would be a solid hire. People keep saying how they need a real HC, well he had a lot of success in Carolina. They were always competitive and had some great years. Match him up with a good OC and they'll be set. Plus he still needs his first Super Bowl win. If this was just a mere 24 months ago people would be all for this hire. Not saying that Rivera is the ultimate hire, but he track record is much better than anyone they interviewed in early 2018.
I think it's most likely a big mistake on their part. He's had some ups and downs but he always gets them back to being a contender.
Cam falling apart physically is a big reason for this slump Which is why I thought Rivera was safe. Surprised they axe him. This move also makes me think Cam is 100% outta Carolina after this season.
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Post by nick030567 on Dec 3, 2019 17:11:27 GMT -5
I think Rivera is certainly a much better choice than McCarthy. Why would people want Mike? Didn't we see enough of that vanilla and narrow minded scheme in 2016 and 2017??
If you're getting another offensive minded coach lets get one that has a diverse scheme like the Saints, please! There is a little bit of everything in their scheme.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 3, 2019 17:11:28 GMT -5
Cam falling apart physically is a big reason for this slump Which is why I thought Rivera was safe. Surprised they axe him. This move also makes me think Cam is 100% outta Carolina after this season. This is a team officially in the QB buisness in the 2020 draft,though they did draft Greir
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 3, 2019 17:12:09 GMT -5
There is no doubt in my mind Rivera is a better HC than Shutmur. Problem is I dont think he is right for here. Gettleman does have the connection though.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 3, 2019 17:12:48 GMT -5
I think Rivera is certainly a much better choice than McCarthy. Why would people want Mike? Didn't we see enough of that vanilla and narrow minded scheme in 2016 and 2017?? If you're getting another offensive minded coach lets get one that has a diverse scheme like the Saints, please! There is a little bit of everything in their scheme. Getting the OC in any capacity from LSU would be epic
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 3, 2019 17:15:22 GMT -5
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Post by DrRumack on Dec 3, 2019 17:16:30 GMT -5
I don't understand the reasoning behind your position. College coaches with no NFL HC experience often never pan out as an NFL HC. College game offensively and even defensively are incorporated in the Pro game.NFL assistances coaches never had to be on the sideline and be head of a football team. College HC at least have the experience on the sidelines.. Other alternatives recycle or assistant coaches Sure. But the college game is vastly different than the pros. From roster management to schemes to game planning. I just can't think of a college HC that came straight from the college ranks (with no NFL coaching experience) that have succeeded.
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