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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 12, 2021 9:17:46 GMT -5
That's apparently what the instant gratification crowd wants,while changing coaching staffs like underwear at the same time keeps things new and fresh, lol. COMPLETE REBUILD EVERY YEAR !
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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 12, 2021 11:30:33 GMT -5
keeps things new and fresh, lol. COMPLETE REBUILD EVERY YEAR ! do you have any idea how good that approach is for jersey sales
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Post by thetruth on Feb 12, 2021 12:36:11 GMT -5
Plaxico Burress 6'5-6'6 - 235lb Bad equivalency Burress could run NFL caliber outside routes and even he was limited with his precision. Pitts is not an NFL outside WR and should not be attempted to be converted into one Think Marquis Coleston witb more athletic ability and hight and blocking ability for a comparison that will be bad mismatches inside and against whomever follows him outside... Yeah this is completely incorrect. Pitts can and has shown to line up inside/outside with ease. An absolute freak at the position. Just like Darren Waller.
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Post by thetruth on Feb 12, 2021 12:37:24 GMT -5
3) Kyle Pitts, TE School: Florida | Year: Junior Pitts is a long, lean tight end prospect with excellent speed, ball skills and production. He has lined up inline, flexed in the slot and split out wide. He runs routes like a wideout. The former Gator has burst off the line, sets up defenders and explodes out of the break point. He beat upper-echelon SEC cornerbacks on a weekly basis. He builds speed to separate down the seam and tracks the ball naturally down the field. Pitts has an enormous catch radius. He uses his speed to pile up yards after the catch. He showed tremendous improvement as a blocker in 2020. He fits up, doing his best to wrestle and stay attached. He will fall off at times, but the effort is there. Overall, Pitts is a unique talent with the ability to take over a game. He is the definition of a mismatch player. source: www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-s-top-50-2021-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings-1-0Just in case you dont want to take Jeremiah's word for it. Emory Hunt is a excellent scout:
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Post by GameTime on Feb 12, 2021 13:48:50 GMT -5
3) Kyle Pitts, TE School: Florida | Year: Junior Pitts is a long, lean tight end prospect with excellent speed, ball skills and production. He has lined up inline, flexed in the slot and split out wide. He runs routes like a wideout. The former Gator has burst off the line, sets up defenders and explodes out of the break point. He beat upper-echelon SEC cornerbacks on a weekly basis. He builds speed to separate down the seam and tracks the ball naturally down the field. Pitts has an enormous catch radius. He uses his speed to pile up yards after the catch. He showed tremendous improvement as a blocker in 2020. He fits up, doing his best to wrestle and stay attached. He will fall off at times, but the effort is there. Overall, Pitts is a unique talent with the ability to take over a game. He is the definition of a mismatch player. source: www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-s-top-50-2021-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings-1-0Just in case you dont want to take Jeremiah's word for it. Emory Hunt is a excellent scout: Plax was 6'5" ish and around 230. Pretty similar in that regard
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Post by GameTime on Feb 12, 2021 13:51:12 GMT -5
DK Metcalf is 6'4: 230.
Maybe Pitts can be a WR more than a TE
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Post by thetruth on Feb 12, 2021 13:55:29 GMT -5
DK Metcalf is 6'4: 230. Maybe Pitts can be a WR more than a TE He absolutely can.
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Post by McCherry on Feb 12, 2021 13:57:09 GMT -5
DK Metcalf is 6'4: 230. Maybe Pitts can be a WR more than a TE Just line him up and get him the ball. Just don't expect him to block like Kelce or Ertz.
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Post by GameTime on Feb 12, 2021 13:57:45 GMT -5
DK Metcalf is 6'4: 230. Maybe Pitts can be a WR more than a TE He absolutely can. We think he runs well enough to play wide receiver and think he could be a poor man's Calvin Johnson at wideout," said one director of college scouting. "On top of being a freak athlete, he's a great kid and hard worker. So you know he's safe to pan out into being a special player when you combine his intangibles with his rare skill set. Sources from multiple teams called Pitts a high intangibled player, and teams will love having him in their building with his work ethic along with being a good teammate. walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2021KPitts.phpWhy does he have a "poor man's Calvin Johnson"? Why cant be a Calvin Johnson type reciever?
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Post by thetruth on Feb 12, 2021 14:07:27 GMT -5
We think he runs well enough to play wide receiver and think he could be a poor man's Calvin Johnson at wideout," said one director of college scouting. "On top of being a freak athlete, he's a great kid and hard worker. So you know he's safe to pan out into being a special player when you combine his intangibles with his rare skill set. Sources from multiple teams called Pitts a high intangibled player, and teams will love having him in their building with his work ethic along with being a good teammate. walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2021KPitts.phpWhy does he have a "poor man's Calvin Johnson"? Why cant be a Calvin Johnson type reciever? In all the TE's ive ever scouted Pitts as an absolute unicorn. Can can easily play WR, he shouldn't be looked at like a classic TE. Though his blocking is actually decent, much better than Engrams
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Post by thetruth on Feb 12, 2021 14:08:28 GMT -5
DK Metcalf is 6'4: 230. Maybe Pitts can be a WR more than a TE Just line him up and get him the ball. Just don't expect him to block like Kelce or Ertz. Pitts is a better blocker than Ertz. Similar to Kelce, none of them are really great at it. Kid from San Fran is a different story.
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Post by thetruth on Feb 12, 2021 14:10:14 GMT -5
Pitts is my #1 realistic target at this point. Lets hope! contested catches is what DJ needs and this guy wins them. Sign me up
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 12, 2021 14:10:55 GMT -5
Bad equivalency Burress could run NFL caliber outside routes and even he was limited with his precision. Pitts is not an NFL outside WR and should not be attempted to be converted into one Think Marquis Coleston witb more athletic ability and hight and blocking ability for a comparison that will be bad mismatches inside and against whomever follows him outside... Yeah this is completely incorrect. Pitts can and has shown to line up inside/outside with ease. An absolute freak at the position. Just like Darren Waller. He has never played WR before. Converting him to a full-time WR you turn him into Devin Funchess... Play him to his strength...which is a move around player that lines up all over but his strength being inside matched up against linebackers,safeties and smaller slot corners he will eat them alive and be good enough of a blocker Get actual WRs to play WR ....
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 12, 2021 14:13:55 GMT -5
We think he runs well enough to play wide receiver and think he could be a poor man's Calvin Johnson at wideout," said one director of college scouting. "On top of being a freak athlete, he's a great kid and hard worker. So you know he's safe to pan out into being a special player when you combine his intangibles with his rare skill set. Sources from multiple teams called Pitts a high intangibled player, and teams will love having him in their building with his work ethic along with being a good teammate. walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2021KPitts.phpWhy does he have a "poor man's Calvin Johnson"? Why cant be a Calvin Johnson type reciever? In all the TE's ive ever scouted Pitts as an absolute unicorn. Can can easily play WR, he shouldn't be looked at like a classic TE. Though his blocking is actually decent, much better than Engrams And this is why you don't convert him to a full-time WR because he is good enough as a blocker ... He probably doesn't make it past Detroit unfortunately because their coach was a TE,he had a big bodied slot guy when he coached there in Coleston that he can use as a baseline for making game plans with And being an ex TE..mhim and Hockenson in a 12 would be indefensible
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Post by McCherry on Feb 12, 2021 14:15:13 GMT -5
Yeah this is completely incorrect. Pitts can and has shown to line up inside/outside with ease. An absolute freak at the position. Just like Darren Waller. He has never played WR before. Converting him to a full-time WR you turn him into Devin Funchess... Play him to his strength...which is a move around player that lines up all over but his strength being inside matched up against linebackers,safeties and smaller slot corners he will eat them alive and be good enough of a blocker Get actual WRs to play WR .... You have a point. At Florida he was more of an outside TE. They lined him up inline, the slot and at HB. I don't know how many plays he lined up outside. He would be used like Engram here. You had fans suggesting Engram be moved to WR, it would be the same mistake with Pitts. You want to match him up with the LB's and Safeties as opposed to CB's.
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Post by McCherry on Feb 12, 2021 14:17:01 GMT -5
In all the TE's ive ever scouted Pitts as an absolute unicorn. Can can easily play WR, he shouldn't be looked at like a classic TE. Though his blocking is actually decent, much better than Engrams And this is why you don't convert him to a full-time WR because he is good enough as a blocker ... He probably doesn't make it past Detroit unfortunately because their coach was a TE,he had a big bodied slot guy when he coached there in Coleston that he can use as a baseline for making game plans with And being an ex TE..mhim and Hockenson in a 12 would be indefensible In that case you take Waddle. I have a hard time believing 3 WR's and a TE go in the top 10. It would be unprecedented. Especially with 4 QB's potentially going ahead of us.
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Post by thetruth on Feb 12, 2021 14:18:20 GMT -5
Yeah this is completely incorrect. Pitts can and has shown to line up inside/outside with ease. An absolute freak at the position. Just like Darren Waller. He has never played WR before. Converting him to a full-time WR you turn him into Devin Funchess... Play him to his strength...which is a move around player that lines up all over but his strength being inside matched up against linebackers,safeties and smaller slot corners he will eat them alive and be good enough of a blocker Get actual WRs to play WR .... No he hasn't played full time WR but he has plenty of snaps playing outside and he beats CB's with ease. He's far too big and too quick for them. He's honestly a match up nightmare no matter where you put him. Engram is fast but not very quick or laterally explosive. Pitts is 3 inches taller, much more laterally explosive and above all else, runs EXCELLENT routes. I was rattled how good he looked and how smooth he was in his breaks. Kids going to be an absolute freak in my opinion.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 12, 2021 14:19:21 GMT -5
And this is why you don't convert him to a full-time WR because he is good enough as a blocker ... He probably doesn't make it past Detroit unfortunately because their coach was a TE,he had a big bodied slot guy when he coached there in Coleston that he can use as a baseline for making game plans with And being an ex TE..mhim and Hockenson in a 12 would be indefensible In that case you take Waddle. I have a hard time believing 3 WR's and a TE go in the top 10. It would be unprecedented. Especially with 4 QB's potentially going ahead of us. 100% agree I think one of the 3 WRs or Pitts makes it I actually think Pitts is the least likely to fall to us because he is such a unicorn
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Post by thetruth on Feb 12, 2021 14:19:23 GMT -5
And this is why you don't convert him to a full-time WR because he is good enough as a blocker ... He probably doesn't make it past Detroit unfortunately because their coach was a TE,he had a big bodied slot guy when he coached there in Coleston that he can use as a baseline for making game plans with And being an ex TE..mhim and Hockenson in a 12 would be indefensible In that case you take Waddle. I have a hard time believing 3 WR's and a TE go in the top 10. It would be unprecedented. Especially with 4 QB's potentially going ahead of us. Despite how good i think Pitts will be. Ill take Waddle over him all day. Waddle is a problem. I think the Giants will have two WR's and Pitts there come draft day
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 12, 2021 14:22:33 GMT -5
He has never played WR before. Converting him to a full-time WR you turn him into Devin Funchess... Play him to his strength...which is a move around player that lines up all over but his strength being inside matched up against linebackers,safeties and smaller slot corners he will eat them alive and be good enough of a blocker Get actual WRs to play WR .... No he hasn't played full time WR but he has plenty of snaps playing outside and he beats CB's with ease. He's far too big and too quick for them. He's honestly a match up nightmare no matter where you put him. Engram is fast but not very quick or laterally explosive. Pitts is 3 inches taller, much more laterally explosive and above all else, runs EXCELLENT routes. I was rattled how good he looked and how smooth he was in his breaks. Kids going to be an absolute freak in my opinion. I'm just saying you lose much of what he can do converting into a full-time WR.. Like you said he is a decent blocker already and being the extreme workaholic he seems to be he will get better.. Him inside pulls someone out of the box motioning him outside or coverage cognitive dissonance pre snap Lining him up as a fulltime X doesn't do any of this
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 12, 2021 14:23:45 GMT -5
In that case you take Waddle. I have a hard time believing 3 WR's and a TE go in the top 10. It would be unprecedented. Especially with 4 QB's potentially going ahead of us. Despite how good i think Pitts will be. Ill take Waddle over him all day. Waddle is a problem. I think the Giants will have two WR's and Pitts there come draft day In which Grampa Gettleman takes Kwilly Paye ...(yes I actually fear this)
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 12, 2021 14:28:01 GMT -5
Pitts is my #1 realistic target at this point. Lets hope! contested catches is what DJ needs and this guy wins them. Sign me up As someone who watched Pitts quite a bit down here in Florida, I think his contested catch ability is through the roof, but his acceleration and quickness is limited. I dont think he will be as smooth a WR as Plax. That said, he is a hell of ball catcher. And he made a huge difference for Trask in 2020. His catch radius is like Spidermans webs. He is on my top 10 list for sure, I just get a little worried after the Engram experiment. I hope Chase falls due to sitting out 2020.
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Post by thetruth on Feb 12, 2021 14:36:36 GMT -5
Despite how good i think Pitts will be. Ill take Waddle over him all day. Waddle is a problem. I think the Giants will have two WR's and Pitts there come draft day In which Grampa Gettleman takes Kwilly Paye ...(yes I actually fear this) I wouldn't like it but i'd take it. I think Paye could be a great player. What i fear the most is Gregory Rousseau. I know Chris Mara has a boner just thinking about him
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Post by thetruth on Feb 12, 2021 14:38:05 GMT -5
Pitts is my #1 realistic target at this point. Lets hope! contested catches is what DJ needs and this guy wins them. Sign me up As someone who watched Pitts quite a bit down here in Florida, I think his contested catch ability is through the roof, but his acceleration and quickness is limited. I dont think he will be as smooth a WR as Plax. That said, he is a hell of ball catcher. And he made a huge difference for Trask in 2020. His catch radius is like Spidermans webs. He is on my top 10 list for sure, I just get a little worried after the Engram experiment. I hope Chase falls due to sitting out 2020. Yeah I still value the top 4 WR more. Bateman and Pitts would be close for me but it'd take Pitts. We need a receiving threat Also, Bateman not nearly getting enough love. He's so damn good.
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Post by McCherry on Feb 12, 2021 15:29:03 GMT -5
In which Grampa Gettleman takes Kwilly Paye ...(yes I actually fear this) I wouldn't like it but i'd take it. I think Paye could be a great player. What i fear the most is Gregory Rousseau. I know Chris Mara has a boner just thinking about him I like Paye too except he’s a 4-3 DE.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 12, 2021 16:09:45 GMT -5
I wouldn't like it but i'd take it. I think Paye could be a great player. What i fear the most is Gregory Rousseau. I know Chris Mara has a boner just thinking about him I like Paye too except he’s a 4-3 DE. And disappeared after week 1 Pass
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Post by thetruth on Feb 12, 2021 16:12:53 GMT -5
I wouldn't like it but i'd take it. I think Paye could be a great player. What i fear the most is Gregory Rousseau. I know Chris Mara has a boner just thinking about him I like Paye too except he’s a 4-3 DE. He can play the same position as LW. I see him more a 5-tech or strong side 4-3 DE like you said. Not an Edge.
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Post by GameTime on Feb 12, 2021 16:17:22 GMT -5
I like Paye too except he’s a 4-3 DE. He can play the same position as LW. I see him more a 5-tech or strong side 4-3 DE like you said. Not an Edge. you think? He is no quite big enough for a 3-4 DE right? Most of those boys are well into the 300s no?
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 12, 2021 16:30:29 GMT -5
He can play the same position as LW. I see him more a 5-tech or strong side 4-3 DE like you said. Not an Edge. you think? He is no quite big enough for a 3-4 DE right? Most of those boys are well into the 300s no? Too small/tweener type The 2 maize ane blue fans here are saying avoid so that is a red flag
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