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Post by te88 on Apr 17, 2021 7:42:12 GMT -5
That there is fire behind all the edge rusher at 11 smoke. Since the pro days and stuff the edge rushers are even more underwhelming than before. I liked Rousseaus size but his testing was not good.
Normally you can take all the draft smoke with a grain of salt but it often turns out to be right with the Giants.
If any of Smith, Waddle, Slater, Sewell, Surtain, Parsons are available and they go edge I will have no words. If they trade back and do it it’s more palatable but would also suck to leave any of those other guys on the table.
If they’re going to reach they should reach on an OL. But please - don’t reach with the 11 overall pick.
This teams biggest need is not edge. It needs OFFENCE. There has been massive investment into the defence. If they want more defence then take a legit prospect like Surtain or Parsons.br]
If they take an edge then Gettleman is full of complete shiitake when he says he would never reach in the first round.
Oh and if we have to watch Philadelphia grab Smith to pair with Hirts then that will be the ultimate kick in the nuts.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 17, 2021 7:45:15 GMT -5
I couldn't agree more here
I'm trying to brace myself for a repeat of 1996 lime pick with Paye...
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Post by te88 on Apr 17, 2021 7:47:10 GMT -5
I couldn't agree more here I'm trying to brace myself for a repeat of 1996 lime pick with Paye... Taking an edge at 11 this year would be like taking Lorenzo Carter at 11. Would they do that??? |
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Post by TEM on Apr 17, 2021 8:01:15 GMT -5
As of today. We have $93,201,506 or 50.4% of the cap space dedicated to Offense. And we have $88,992,799 or 48% of the cap spent on Defense. This is showing we have very little Dead Cap and unused money . Statistically teams that spend 44% and over on Offense and 41% and over on Defense make the playoffs 85% of the time.
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Post by te88 on Apr 17, 2021 8:04:04 GMT -5
I couldn't agree more here I'm trying to brace myself for a repeat of 1996 lime pick with Paye... My only hope is that last year first year with Judge and staff in, they did exactly what they were supposed to do and took Thomas at #4. This year they’re going to have more than 1 good option at 11 because 2-3 QBs will go in the top 10 at minimum. There will be great options. And none of them will be edges |
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Post by te88 on Apr 17, 2021 8:05:47 GMT -5
As of today. We have $93,201,506 or 50.4% of the cap space dedicated to Offense. And we have $88,992,799 or 48% of the cap spent on Defense. This is showing we have very little Dead Cap and unused money . Statistically teams that spend 44% and over on Offense and 41% and over on Defense make the playoffs 85% of the time. What is the investment starting 11 vs starting 11 on O and D. I know we don’t have official starters yet but it’s easy to make a good guess on who they will be |
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Post by TEM on Apr 17, 2021 8:14:54 GMT -5
As of today. We have $93,201,506 or 50.4% of the cap space dedicated to Offense. And we have $88,992,799 or 48% of the cap spent on Defense. This is showing we have very little Dead Cap and unused money . Statistically teams that spend 44% and over on Offense and 41% and over on Defense make the playoffs 85% of the time. What is the investment starting 11 vs starting 11 on O and D. I know we don’t have official starters yet but it’s easy to make a good guess on who they will be This is just me. My thinking on this. Our entire Right side of our OL is in limbo. We have LT LG C ??. Why I am adamant on my belief in taking a RT with our first pick is an essential component to our wining. . No WR, TE, OLB, MLB or DB is going to do anything to further our cause . If Our O-line cannot block well enough to keep our offense on the field. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2021 8:16:39 GMT -5
That there is fire behind all the edge rusher at 11 smoke. Since the pro days and stuff the edge rushers are even more underwhelming than before. I liked Rousseaus size but his testing was not good. Normally you can take all the draft smoke with a grain of salt but it often turns out to be right with the Giants. If any of Smith, Waddle, Slater, Sewell, Surtain, Parsons are available and they go edge I will have no words. If they trade back and do it it’s more palatable but would also suck to leave any of those other guys on the table. If they’re going to reach they should reach on an OL. But please - don’t reach with the 11 overall pick. This teams biggest need is not edge. It needs OFFENCE. There has been massive investment into the defence. If they want more defence then take a legit prospect like Surtain or Parsons.br] If they take an edge then Gettleman is full of complete shiitake when he says he would never reach in the first round. Oh and if we have to watch Philadelphia grab Smith to pair with Hirts then that will be the ultimate kick in the nuts. Well said and agreed ... Paye is a hand in the dirt 4-3 DE... Ojulari is too light, can't set an edge vs the run, and can't drop...Phillips, the best fit and most gifted...quit and had concussions. I still believe, and have nightmares we were in Happy Valley not for Parsons (whom I believe is off our board), but Oweh.  If 5 QB's are taken before us, top 10...we are having the ability of picking a WR, Smith or Waddle. Corners are also highly sought after and we will see a run as we did last year...and far more talent in this high value position vs Edge. |
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Post by te88 on Apr 17, 2021 8:20:47 GMT -5
What is the investment starting 11 vs starting 11 on O and D. I know we don’t have official starters yet but it’s easy to make a good guess on who they will be This is just me. My thinking on this. Our entire Right side of our OL is in limbo.  We have LT LG C ??.  Why I am adamant on my belief in taking a RT with our first pick is an essential component to our wining.  . No WR, TE, OLB, MLB or DB is going to do anything to further our cause . If Our O-line cannot block well enough to keep our offense on the field.  If there is one position I would reach for it would be OL. Otherwise I am taking one of those receivers if they’re there at 11. Golladay doesn’t solve the receiver problem. Shepard is injury prone and a concussion away from retirement. Engram can’t be depended on. If Jones is going to be the franchise QB he needs weapons to grow with. And if they’re not it means one of Parsons, Surtain, or maybe even a top OL is there. If the Giants see the guys they want taken off the board they have to trade back. But Gettleman won’t (and shouldn’t) make the phone call....gotta wait for a desperate team like Chicago to call up and make a big offer to grab a QB if one is still available. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2021 8:24:11 GMT -5
What is the investment starting 11 vs starting 11 on O and D. I know we don’t have official starters yet but it’s easy to make a good guess on who they will be This is just me. My thinking on this. Our entire Right side of our OL is in limbo. We have LT LG C ??. Why I am adamant on my belief in taking a RT with our first pick is an essential component to our wining. . No WR, TE, OLB, MLB or DB is going to do anything to further our cause . If Our O-line cannot block well enough to keep our offense on the field. Fair point...Peart is still a development tackle, and while the staff is high on him (as I), you never know. I'm warming to the idea of a right tackle whom can be kicked inside to guard if Peart excels. Teven Jenkins with a trade back would not be horrible. I know your guy Darrisaw will be there at 11...would rather reach for him vs ANY edge. |
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Post by TEM on Apr 17, 2021 8:27:30 GMT -5
This is just me. My thinking on this. Our entire Right side of our OL is in limbo. We have LT LG C ??. Why I am adamant on my belief in taking a RT with our first pick is an essential component to our wining. . No WR, TE, OLB, MLB or DB is going to do anything to further our cause . If Our O-line cannot block well enough to keep our offense on the field. If there is one position I would reach for it would be OL. Otherwise I am taking one of those receivers if they’re there at 11. Golladay doesn’t solve the receiver problem. Shepard is injury prone and a concussion away from retirement. Engram can’t be depended on. If Jones is going to be the franchise QB he needs weapons to grow with. And if they’re not it means one of Parsons, Surtain, or maybe even a top OL is there. If the Giants see the guys they want taken off the board they have to trade back. But Gettleman won’t (and shouldn’t) make the phone call....gotta wait for a desperate team like Chicago to call up and make a big offer to grab a QB if one is still available. I do not think we have to reach. Slater Sewell Darrisaw Vera-Tucker One of them or more is going to be there when we pick. |
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Post by te88 on Apr 17, 2021 8:36:59 GMT -5
If there is one position I would reach for it would be OL. Otherwise I am taking one of those receivers if they’re there at 11. Golladay doesn’t solve the receiver problem. Shepard is injury prone and a concussion away from retirement. Engram can’t be depended on. If Jones is going to be the franchise QB he needs weapons to grow with. And if they’re not it means one of Parsons, Surtain, or maybe even a top OL is there. If the Giants see the guys they want taken off the board they have to trade back. But Gettleman won’t (and shouldn’t) make the phone call....gotta wait for a desperate team like Chicago to call up and make a big offer to grab a QB if one is still available. I do not think we have to reach. Slater Sewell Darrisaw Vera-Tucker One of them or more is going to be there when we pick. I would consider VT and Darrishaw reaches given the other talent that will be available. But I would be fine with taking either...a hell of a lot more fine than taking any of those edge prospects. |
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Post by TEM on Apr 17, 2021 8:39:38 GMT -5
I do not think we have to reach. Slater Sewell Darrisaw Vera-Tucker One of them or more is going to be there when we pick. I would consider VT and Darrishaw reaches given the other talent that will be available. But I would be fine with taking either...a hell of a lot more fine than taking any of those edge prospects. I would not touch an OLB until the 3rd round. |
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Post by Kase1 on Apr 17, 2021 9:06:00 GMT -5
I would consider VT and Darrishaw reaches given the other talent that will be available. But I would be fine with taking either...a hell of a lot more fine than taking any of those edge prospects. I would not touch an OLB until the 3rd round. TOTALLY AGREE Pat Jones and Hamilcar Rashed are my guys |
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Post by Kase1 on Apr 17, 2021 9:08:10 GMT -5
I DONT want this to happen, but am preparing for it to happen. I might as well call optimum and get another remote now, because if we take an edge rusher at 11 I'm smashing that shit.
If we take an edge over Smith, Chase, Waddle, Pitts, Sewell, Slater, AVT, JOK, or Bateman, DG will be in my crosshairs
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 17, 2021 9:11:05 GMT -5
I do not think we have to reach. Slater Sewell Darrisaw Vera-Tucker One of them or more is going to be there when we pick. I would consider VT and Darrishaw reaches given the other talent that will be available. But I would be fine with taking either...a hell of a lot more fine than taking any of those edge prospects. Same |
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 17, 2021 9:35:30 GMT -5
I DONT want this to happen, but am preparing for it to happen. I might as well call optimum and get another remote now, because if we take an edge rusher at 11 I'm smashing that shit. If we take an edge over Smith, Chase, Waddle, Pitts, Sewell, Slater, AVT, JOK, or Bateman, DG will be in my crosshairs There are definitely scenarios where both OT’s, Pitts, and the 3WR’s are off the board when we pick. That would probably mean that one of the QB’s is still on the board, which could give us a nice trade-back opportunity. Trade back, pick up another 2 and a 3, then pick Paye or Ojulari ... I would be fine with that. Picking one of those guys at 11? Not so much .... |
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Post by rbe40 on Apr 17, 2021 9:57:17 GMT -5
All smokescreens in direct response to my factual post about the Giants devaluing outside-rushing OLBs.
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Post by rbe40 on Apr 17, 2021 11:11:10 GMT -5
Can safely rule out EDGE at #11
1) Not a need at all
2) Value is horrible, not even close
Eliminate all the EDGE prospects around #11 - Giants will be avoiding all of them. That narrows it down to:
2 Alabama WRs
Slater
Parsons
The Giants will select 1 of the above 4.
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Post by te88 on Apr 17, 2021 11:13:54 GMT -5
Can safely rule out EDGE at #11 1) Not a need at all 2) Value is horrible, not even close Eliminate all the EDGE prospects around #11 - Giants will be avoiding all of them. That narrows it down to: 2 Alabama WRs Slater Parsons The Giants will select 1 of the above 4. I agree. But all this smoke about edges has me spooked. But I’ve thought all along that Smith is who they want and that he will be there. |
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Post by rbe40 on Apr 17, 2021 11:30:54 GMT -5
Can safely rule out EDGE at #11 1) Not a need at all 2) Value is horrible, not even close Eliminate all the EDGE prospects around #11 - Giants will be avoiding all of them. That narrows it down to: 2 Alabama WRs Slater Parsons The Giants will select 1 of the above 4. I agree. But all this smoke about edges has me spooked. But I’ve thought all along that Smith is who they want and that he will be there. Obvious smokescreen. The Giants are not wasting their time focusing on the least important position to their team success. |
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Post by Kase1 on Apr 17, 2021 12:48:23 GMT -5
I DONT want this to happen, but am preparing for it to happen. I might as well call optimum and get another remote now, because if we take an edge rusher at 11 I'm smashing that shit. If we take an edge over Smith, Chase, Waddle, Pitts, Sewell, Slater, AVT, JOK, or Bateman, DG will be in my crosshairs There are definitely scenarios where both OT’s, Pitts, and the 3WR’s are off the board when we pick. That would probably mean that one of the QB’s is still on the board, which could give us a nice trade-back opportunity. Trade back, pick up another 2 and a 3, then pick Paye or Ojulari ... I would be fine with that. Picking one of those guys at 11? Not so much .... At that point I think I'd trade down and go AVT or Bateman |
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Post by snyder55 on Apr 17, 2021 15:32:49 GMT -5
I DONT want this to happen, but am preparing for it to happen. I might as well call optimum and get another remote now, because if we take an edge rusher at 11 I'm smashing that shit. If we take an edge over Smith, Chase, Waddle, Pitts, Sewell, Slater, AVT, JOK, or Bateman, DG will be in my crosshairs Dave has been in Giants fans cross hairs since he's been here... |
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Post by McCherry on Apr 17, 2021 15:57:42 GMT -5
That there is fire behind all the edge rusher at 11 smoke. Since the pro days and stuff the edge rushers are even more underwhelming than before. I liked Rousseaus size but his testing was not good. Normally you can take all the draft smoke with a grain of salt but it often turns out to be right with the Giants. If any of Smith, Waddle, Slater, Sewell, Surtain, Parsons are available and they go edge I will have no words. If they trade back and do it it’s more palatable but would also suck to leave any of those other guys on the table. If they’re going to reach they should reach on an OL. But please - don’t reach with the 11 overall pick. This teams biggest need is not edge. It needs OFFENCE. There has been massive investment into the defence. If they want more defence then take a legit prospect like Surtain or Parsons.br] If they take an edge then Gettleman is full of complete shiitake when he says he would never reach in the first round. Oh and if we have to watch Philadelphia grab Smith to pair with Hirts then that will be the ultimate kick in the nuts. Only fans on this board are saying this. Beat reporters covering the Giants are saying edge is their #1 priority. According to Raanan, "No other position is even a close second" is his exact quote. I have heard little talk of Surtain and almost everybody feels the Giants won't touch Parsons. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2021 17:44:52 GMT -5
That there is fire behind all the edge rusher at 11 smoke. Since the pro days and stuff the edge rushers are even more underwhelming than before. I liked Rousseaus size but his testing was not good. Normally you can take all the draft smoke with a grain of salt but it often turns out to be right with the Giants. If any of Smith, Waddle, Slater, Sewell, Surtain, Parsons are available and they go edge I will have no words. If they trade back and do it it’s more palatable but would also suck to leave any of those other guys on the table. If they’re going to reach they should reach on an OL. But please - don’t reach with the 11 overall pick. This teams biggest need is not edge. It needs OFFENCE. There has been massive investment into the defence. If they want more defence then take a legit prospect like Surtain or Parsons.br] If they take an edge then Gettleman is full of complete shiitake when he says he would never reach in the first round. Oh and if we have to watch Philadelphia grab Smith to pair with Hirts then that will be the ultimate kick in the nuts. Only fans on this board are saying this. Beat reporters covering the Giants are saying edge is their #1 priority. According to Raanan, "No other position is even a close second" is his exact quote. I have heard little talk of Surtain and almost everybody feels the Giants won't touch Parsons. Raanan's opinion ... .... he declared we need an edge, and believes Paye is a 4-3 and a 3-4 projection (seems he sees what I see)...and all edge is a reach at 11. Believes 15-20 they "begin". He also suggests the Giants take Smith/Waddle or Slater before any edge...unless they trade back for edge. Those first 3 picks are offense...a LOT of mocks suggest this as well...most. Again, this is all his opinion...and rehashed. He gives scenarios, "IF" he passes his concussions..."IF" Surtain is there with an Edge...yada. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2021 18:08:09 GMT -5
Surprise, we're at a ESPN link from a tweet www.espn.com/blog/new-york-giants/post/_/id/62245/the-new-york-giants-desperately-need-to-draft-an-edge-rusher-but-whenSeriously? Kiper and McShay? This is the Jordan Raanan piece on edge? And quoting those ESPN talking morons whom have never been paid scouts or played the game? How can you suggest an opinion piece on GM ranking as fluff (and it is) but then use Jordan Raanan who uses Mel and Todd as his "experts"? You can feel all the ESPN fluffy love throughout this piece... Anyway you want to cut it...taking an edge at 11 is a reach, made more ridiculous as you are still going to roll the dice as Mel puts it...not how any GM in survival mode should conduct a draft. Despite what the ESSPN fluff writer thinks...this is the Daniel Jones make or break year...we go offense at 11.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2021 19:12:15 GMT -5
It's so hard being right all the time. If Parsons isn't there, trade back to 15 and get Paye plus picks. Been saying this all along.
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Post by McCherry on Apr 17, 2021 19:34:41 GMT -5
Only fans on this board are saying this. Beat reporters covering the Giants are saying edge is their #1 priority. According to Raanan, "No other position is even a close second" is his exact quote. I have heard little talk of Surtain and almost everybody feels the Giants won't touch Parsons. Raanan's opinion ... .... he declared we need an edge, and believes Paye is a 4-3 and a 3-4 projection (seems he sees what I see)...and all edge is a reach at 11. Believes 15-20 they "begin". He also suggests the Giants take Smith/Waddle or Slater before any edge...unless they trade back for edge. Those first 3 picks are offense...a LOT of mocks suggest this as well...most. Again, this is all his opinion...and rehashed. He gives scenarios, "IF" he passes his concussions..."IF" Surtain is there with an Edge...yada. I don't disagree with any of this. Waddle and Smith are my first picks too. But if they're gone along with Slayton, edge comes into play. Trade back or not. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2021 19:45:51 GMT -5
More offense- agreed That be a lot of Surtain talk...by a Giants beat writer. Beat writer...how much WR depth do we really have? I seem to have been just reading a lot of we need offense...and reach for edge...Giant beat writers
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Post by Delicreep on Apr 17, 2021 19:48:16 GMT -5
It's so hard being right all the time. If Parsons isn't there, trade back to 15 and get Paye plus picks. Been saying this all along. OK...I believe you can double down on your draft genius status AND school a total draft dufus. Who is the player(s) there at 11 that will bring us the trade? Bonus if you can name the team. |
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