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Post by IrishMike on Apr 19, 2021 12:04:20 GMT -5
I just seen an "ideal mock" that had us taking Paye at 11 and then a DT in round 2. I puked a little in my mouth. It really makes me realize how it's almost impossible for people to know all 32 teams in depth enough to make logical mocks. Anyone that thinks we need Paye and a DT over our other needs is insane and clearly going Paye and DT is not BPA.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 19, 2021 12:05:52 GMT -5
I don't disagree with any of this. Waddle and Smith are my first picks too. But if they're gone along with Slayton, edge comes into play. Trade back or not. I'd take a Surtain before edge, as would Art Stapleton As much as I miss our disagreements from last year I find myself agreeing with you a lot this draft season. I take Surtain in a heartbeat over any edge. I would not think twice and would not care how many DBs we already have. Surtain is hands down much better than any edge in the draft.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2021 12:14:10 GMT -5
I'd take a Surtain before edge, as would Art Stapleton As much as I miss our disagreements from last year I find myself agreeing with you a lot this draft season. I take Surtain in a heartbeat over any edge. I would not think twice and would not care how many DBs we already have. Surtain is hands down much better than any edge in the draft. Hahaha...well, we still have Barkley at pick 2 to rehash
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 19, 2021 12:40:20 GMT -5
I'd take a Surtain before edge, as would Art Stapleton As much as I miss our disagreements from last year I find myself agreeing with you a lot this draft season. I take Surtain in a heartbeat over any edge. I would not think twice and would not care how many DBs we already have. Surtain is hands down much better than any edge in the draft. I think Surtain is going to be a very good pro. Prior to our signing of Jackson, he was one of my preferred picks at 11, and even with Jackson, I think he would be a good addition to our secondary. Would also allow him to ease into the league, not have to be either the #1 or #2 corner, but still get lots of playing time. I would take him over any other defensive player in this draft, except maybe Parsons.
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 19, 2021 13:16:09 GMT -5
As much as I miss our disagreements from last year I find myself agreeing with you a lot this draft season. I take Surtain in a heartbeat over any edge. I would not think twice and would not care how many DBs we already have. Surtain is hands down much better than any edge in the draft. I think Surtain is going to be a very good pro. Prior to our signing of Jackson, he was one of my preferred picks at 11, and even with Jackson, I think he would be a good addition to our secondary. Would also allow him to ease into the league, not have to be either the #1 or #2 corner, but still get lots of playing time. I would take him over any other defensive player in this draft, except maybe Parsons. I doubt they spend another $11 mill on the cb position this after spending around $29 mill on the position just this year (13 mill for Bradberry and 16 mill for Adoree).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2021 14:41:02 GMT -5
I think Surtain is going to be a very good pro. Prior to our signing of Jackson, he was one of my preferred picks at 11, and even with Jackson, I think he would be a good addition to our secondary. Would also allow him to ease into the league, not have to be either the #1 or #2 corner, but still get lots of playing time. I would take him over any other defensive player in this draft, except maybe Parsons. I doubt they spend another $11 mill on the cb position this after spending around $29 mill on the position just this year (13 mill for Bradberry and 16 mill for Adoree). Probably right, but think of all the coverage sacks with that extra second...a lot easier to double block a freakish pass rusher vs having a team full of lock down corners...that extra time is all that a good scheming DC needs to get home
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 19, 2021 14:45:20 GMT -5
As much as I miss our disagreements from last year I find myself agreeing with you a lot this draft season. I take Surtain in a heartbeat over any edge. I would not think twice and would not care how many DBs we already have. Surtain is hands down much better than any edge in the draft. Hahaha...well, we still have Barkley at pick 2 to rehash Only time will tell. If we win a SB with him or he makes the HOF I win. If not then you win emoji
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 19, 2021 14:58:00 GMT -5
As much as I miss our disagreements from last year I find myself agreeing with you a lot this draft season. I take Surtain in a heartbeat over any edge. I would not think twice and would not care how many DBs we already have. Surtain is hands down much better than any edge in the draft. I think Surtain is going to be a very good pro. Prior to our signing of Jackson, he was one of my preferred picks at 11, and even with Jackson, I think he would be a good addition to our secondary. Would also allow him to ease into the league, not have to be either the #1 or #2 corner, but still get lots of playing time. I would take him over any other defensive player in this draft, except maybe Parsons. Zevom Collins..
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 19, 2021 17:22:38 GMT -5
I doubt they spend another $11 mill on the cb position this after spending around $29 mill on the position just this year (13 mill for Bradberry and 16 mill for Adoree). Probably right, but think of all the coverage sacks with that extra second...a lot easier to double block a freakish pass rusher vs having a team full of lock down corners...that extra time is all that a good scheming DC needs to get home I am big on both Surtain and Horn. I wouldn't have been mad if we drafted them either. Another poster mentioned how much money has been sunk at that position. That is what turned me off. At the end of the day it's not my money but I also can't complain other position are weak if I approve of spending another 10 plus mill on the 1st rd cornerback I want either.
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Post by Kase1 on Apr 19, 2021 17:45:49 GMT -5
Probably right, but think of all the coverage sacks with that extra second...a lot easier to double block a freakish pass rusher vs having a team full of lock down corners...that extra time is all that a good scheming DC needs to get home I am big on both Surtain and Horn. I wouldn't have been mad if we drafted them either. Another poster mentioned how much money has been sunk at that position. That is what turned me off. At the end of the day it's not my money but I also can't complain other position are weak if I approve of spending another 10 plus mill on the 1st rd cornerback I want either. Not a fan of spending a 1st on a defensive player AT ALL, especially at CB, where we have alot of funds allocated. Hell I feel like CB is 1 of our deepest positions.... That being said, Id take Horn over any 1st round edge rusher
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2021 18:15:28 GMT -5
that scenario is starting to look better and better to me, actually I'm not too fond of Parsons behavior but I can over look it just as I did with LT as long as he brings it on the field... LT just loved that white, he wasnt an issue in the locker room as far as I know AND underage hookers. With the right HC, Parsons will flourish in the NFL. I wish I could believe he would be there at 11, but I just don't see it. Judge would be the perfect leader for a player like Micah.
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 19, 2021 22:03:33 GMT -5
Maybe it’s Covid, etc b/c i think this is the worst drafts in a long while.
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Post by Kase1 on Apr 20, 2021 11:33:44 GMT -5
LT just loved that white, he wasnt an issue in the locker room as far as I know AND underage hookers. With the right HC, Parsons will flourish in the NFL. I wish I could believe he would be there at 11, but I just don't see it. Judge would be the perfect leader for a player like Micah. Correct me if im wrong, but wasnt the underage hookers issue after his playing career was over. The only way Parsons is going to live up to his on-field hype is if he undergoes a Tyrann Mathieu transformation off the field. I can see him going in the 20's or later, these off the field issues are going to impact him. Who wants to risk a hefty contract on someone who has character issues... Its not even like it was a drug offense, its his questionable personality
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Post by Kase1 on Apr 20, 2021 11:34:19 GMT -5
Maybe it’s Covid, etc b/c i think this is the worst drafts in a long while. In terms of pass rushers, yes, it IS the worst draft in a while
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 20, 2021 12:02:43 GMT -5
Maybe it’s Covid, etc b/c i think this is the worst drafts in a long while. In terms of pass rushers, yes, it IS the worst draft in a while It's why the top 15 is so diluted and after (not counting QBs) the 4 pass catchers and Slater/Sewell are gone that it becomes a homogeneous primordial soup of players that will have similar value through the middle of the 3rd round
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 20, 2021 12:52:50 GMT -5
Maybe it’s Covid, etc b/c i think this is the worst drafts in a long while. In terms of pass rushers, yes, it IS the worst draft in a while Beyond the lack of pass rushers the rest of the field is pretty thin imo. - Great Qb and some decent others is the norm - A few HB's yet not much - Receivers are loaded - TE ehhh. One who can't block and others could emerge down the oline - OG couple tweeners and blue collar. Idk - OT few near the top with about 3/4 others who are interchangable - DE? Raw, maybe - DT i see two - OLB has some nice 80's LBs - ILB one nice prospect and? - Safety ? - CB a few Idk, i don't really see it this year. Might be due to the schedule or my interest i college this season while the videos and writeups are missing that spark imo.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 12:58:32 GMT -5
AND underage hookers. With the right HC, Parsons will flourish in the NFL. I wish I could believe he would be there at 11, but I just don't see it. Judge would be the perfect leader for a player like Micah. Correct me if im wrong, but wasnt the underage hookers issue after his playing career was over. The only way Parsons is going to live up to his on-field hype is if he undergoes a Tyrann Mathieu transformation off the field. I can see him going in the 20's or later, these off the field issues are going to impact him. Who wants to risk a hefty contract on someone who has character issues... Its not even like it was a drug offense, its his questionable personality As far as we know. Players weren't subject to 24 hr news and social media when LT was a player. It was just a joke anyway. Parsons is going early. With the rookie salary cap, it's less of a gamble as it used to be. It's lots easier to move on from a troublesome player. He's a beast and he's going top 10.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 20, 2021 13:05:11 GMT -5
Correct me if im wrong, but wasnt the underage hookers issue after his playing career was over. The only way Parsons is going to live up to his on-field hype is if he undergoes a Tyrann Mathieu transformation off the field. I can see him going in the 20's or later, these off the field issues are going to impact him. Who wants to risk a hefty contract on someone who has character issues... Its not even like it was a drug offense, its his questionable personality As far as we know. Players weren't subject to 24 hr news and social media when LT was a player. It was just a joke anyway. Parsons is going early. With the rookie salary cap, it's less of a gamble as it used to be. It's lots easier to move on from a troublesome player. He's a beast and he's going top 10. Major smoke with a red glow that Denver wants him
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Post by Kase1 on Apr 20, 2021 13:16:11 GMT -5
In terms of pass rushers, yes, it IS the worst draft in a while Beyond the lack of pass rushers the rest of the field is pretty thin imo. - Great Qb and some decent others is the norm - A few HB's yet not much - Receivers are loaded - TE ehhh. One who can't block and others could emerge down the oline - OG couple tweeners and blue collar. Idk - OT few near the top with about 3/4 others who are interchangable - DE? Raw, maybe - DT i see two - OLB has some nice 80's LBs - ILB one nice prospect and? - Safety ? - CB a few Idk, i don't really see it this year. Might be due to the schedule or my interest i college this season while the videos and writeups are missing that spark imo. Jeez, you're quite the pessimist. I couldnt disagree with you more about this draft. You're acting like every year EVERY position is stock full of 1st round pro bowl talent. The WR, IOL, and CB class are pretty stocked this year. Oh yea, also possibly the best TE to come out of college since Kellen Winslow Sr and the best QB to come out since Luck,
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 20, 2021 13:53:39 GMT -5
Beyond the lack of pass rushers the rest of the field is pretty thin imo. - Great Qb and some decent others is the norm - A few HB's yet not much - Receivers are loaded - TE ehhh. One who can't block and others could emerge down the oline - OG couple tweeners and blue collar. Idk - OT few near the top with about 3/4 others who are interchangable - DE? Raw, maybe - DT i see two - OLB has some nice 80's LBs - ILB one nice prospect and? - Safety ? - CB a few Idk, i don't really see it this year. Might be due to the schedule or my interest i college this season while the videos and writeups are missing that spark imo. Jeez, you're quite the pessimist. I couldnt disagree with you more about this draft. You're acting like every year EVERY position is stock full of 1st round pro bowl talent. The WR, IOL, and CB class are pretty stocked this year. Oh yea, also possibly the best TE to come out of college since Kellen Winslow Sr and the best QB to come out since Luck, If i’m the pessimist are you the 20 year old flapping his arms in the air in celebration while riding the merry-go round? Make your list and compare it to seasons past. My list is pretty accurate but by all means, make yours.
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Post by Kase1 on Apr 20, 2021 14:03:05 GMT -5
Jeez, you're quite the pessimist. I couldnt disagree with you more about this draft. You're acting like every year EVERY position is stock full of 1st round pro bowl talent. The WR, IOL, and CB class are pretty stocked this year. Oh yea, also possibly the best TE to come out of college since Kellen Winslow Sr and the best QB to come out since Luck, If i’m the pessimist are you the 20 year old flapping his arms in the air in celebration while riding the merry-go round? Make your list and compare it to seasons past. My list is pretty accurate but by all means, make yours. I dont get your analogy at all, how would you being a pessimist make me a 20yr old riding a merry go round, because I dont think this is the worst draft of all time, LOL. When did you make a list, other than the 1 complaining about how every position this year is awful All you like to do is complain about people making mock drafts and complain how awful this draft is.
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 20, 2021 14:13:29 GMT -5
If i’m the pessimist are you the 20 year old flapping his arms in the air in celebration while riding the merry-go round? Make your list and compare it to seasons past. My list is pretty accurate but by all means, make yours. I dont get your analogy at all, how would you being a pessimist make me a 20yr old riding a merry go round, because I dont think this is the worst draft of all time, LOL. When did you make a list, other than the 1 complaining about how every position this year is awful All you like to do is complain about people making mock drafts and complain how awful this draft is. The analogy is your such an optimist that riding around a merry-go round is reason to celebrate while the rest of society has more of a realistic view. The draft class is your merry-go round while the realists recognize how mediocre this draft could be. Heck, the two top OT, WR and LB didn’t even play last season. And that’s pessimistic? Try realistic. (and try reading the list again or did your emotion skip over the QB, WR, etc)
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Post by Kase1 on Apr 20, 2021 14:16:02 GMT -5
In terms of pass rushers, yes, it IS the worst draft in a while Beyond the lack of pass rushers the rest of the field is pretty thin imo. - Great Qb and some decent others is the norm - A few HB's yet not much - Receivers are loaded - TE ehhh. One who can't block and others could emerge down the oline - OG couple tweeners and blue collar. Idk - OT few near the top with about 3/4 others who are interchangable - DE? Raw, maybe - DT i see two - OLB has some nice 80's LBs - ILB one nice prospect and? - Safety ? - CB a few Idk, i don't really see it this year. Might be due to the schedule or my interest i college this season while the videos and writeups are missing that spark imo. QB- Lawrence is1 of the best prospects to come out since Andrew Luck, 3 more are going to go in the 1st, other than Lawrence every one comes with some growing pains. Not the best class, not the worst class RB- The way things are going, RBs dont get drafted much in the 1st, there will be a run of them going in the 2nd and 3rd. TE- Pitts is 1 of the best TE prospects to EVER come out, Freiermuth is a good 2nd prospect, McKitty, Jordan, and Long are all good prospects as well. WR- 1 of the best classes to come out in a while, there are going to be a BUNCH of these guys selected in the 1st 3 rounds who start and produce day 1 IOL- AVT is going in the 1st, but a BUNCH of these guys are going to go in the 2nd and 3rd OT- Sewell is a GREAT prospect, Slater is a fully polished prospect day 1, Darrisaw and Jenkins could be 1st round prospects. Radunz, Eichenberg, Mayfield, Cosmi, Carman, Leatherwood, and Little will all go in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. DE- Not a great class for pass rushers from any position, alot of these guys would be 2nd or 3rd round prospects in most other years. DT- A few interesting guys like Onwuzurike, Tufele, McNeil, and Nixon. All 2nd or 3rd round guys, more run stuffers than pass rushers. LB- Parsons, JOK, Collins, Cox, Bolton, Davis, and Surratt are all nice prospects at LB. The 1st 3 are 1st rounders, the rest are 2nd or 3rd rounders CB- Very stacked class, from the 1st to the mid-late rounds there are ALOT of choices. S- Havent looked into the Safety class at all
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Post by Kase1 on Apr 20, 2021 14:21:23 GMT -5
I dont get your analogy at all, how would you being a pessimist make me a 20yr old riding a merry go round, because I dont think this is the worst draft of all time, LOL. When did you make a list, other than the 1 complaining about how every position this year is awful All you like to do is complain about people making mock drafts and complain how awful this draft is. The analogy is your such an optimist that riding around a merry-go round is reason to celebrate while the rest of society has more of a realistic view. The draft class is your merry-go round while the realists recognize how mediocre this draft could be. Heck, the two top OT, WR and LB didn’t even play last season. And that’s pessimistic? Try realistic. (and try reading the list again or did your emotion skip over the QB, WR, etc) Im an optimist because I dont think this is the worst draft class of all time, you're funny. You're a pessimist because you keep clamoring about how this class is SO BAD. Is your main reason of why this class is historically bad is because a bunch of players didnt play in 2020???? I also mentioned the positions I did because I believe these positions are pretty well stocked in terms of depth.
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 20, 2021 16:45:34 GMT -5
The analogy is your such an optimist that riding around a merry-go round is reason to celebrate while the rest of society has more of a realistic view. The draft class is your merry-go round while the realists recognize how mediocre this draft could be. Heck, the two top OT, WR and LB didn’t even play last season. And that’s pessimistic? Try realistic. (and try reading the list again or did your emotion skip over the QB, WR, etc) Im an optimist because I dont think this is the worst draft class of all time, you're funny. You're a pessimist because you keep clamoring about how this class is SO BAD. Is your main reason of why this class is historically bad is because a bunch of players didnt play in 2020???? I also mentioned the positions I did because I believe these positions are pretty well stocked in terms of depth. wrong again - what’s with the reading issues? Never said it was the worst draft class of all time or anything else you posted. Seems you’re struggling with delusion yet preaching optimist/pessimist,
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Post by te88 on Apr 29, 2021 5:37:28 GMT -5
My nausea has subsided. I think the edge at 11 is all smoke. Driven by dumb media. It could happen in a trade back but I think we will be safe from having to see it happen with 11th overall.
The pick will be Smith, Parsons, Horn or Surtain if it happens at 11.
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