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Post by nyg2 on Apr 20, 2021 13:19:32 GMT -5
If one of those QBs falls to us I wouldn't mind us trading back, because that would mean we'd be getting a future first round pick in 2022. The two teams that I think we could make a deal with are the Patriots and Washington, and I know you're not suppose to do deal with your division rival but if they offer us 2 first rounders and 2 second rounders, I'm taking that deal.
Aside from that though, I wouldn't trade down if all the QBs were off the board because it would mean we would lose out on any chance of taking one of these five guys (Smith, Waddle, Slater, Parson, Surtain) so the value we'd be giving up would be to high in my opinion and the compensation we'd be receiving wouldn't be able to match that.
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Post by hadenough on Apr 20, 2021 13:25:55 GMT -5
A team should always be open to trading back. The fact the Giants rarely do this is mind boggling. Don't be greedy...get a 2nd or 3rd in this year's draft or next...and move on. This would be a great year to do that.
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Post by repeatchamps on Apr 20, 2021 13:54:20 GMT -5
I think this happens if Chase, Waddle, Smith and Pitts are all gone and also both Sewell and Slater are gone which is likely.
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 20, 2021 13:56:03 GMT -5
I’ll believe it when I see it. Hard to teach an old dog new tricks, especially a dog who has never done this before. I also think it’s all a smoke screen, get the word out that you’re interested in trading back. Make teams know you are open and accepting all offers at #11. It would be stupid not to have options, especially in a deep draft.
I say stand pat at #11. Only way I would trade back is if 3 of the players on my big board are gone before our pick is up. Then, take the best offer and move back. Remember, having more picks doesn’t always equate to a better draft. All it does, is give you more options on hitting on them. We have to nail our 1st round pick.. Regardless if we trade back or not.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 20, 2021 14:04:59 GMT -5
I think this happens if Chase, Waddle, Smith and Pitts are all gone and also both Sewell and Slater are gone which is likely. Yep
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Post by jmike on Apr 20, 2021 14:19:51 GMT -5
I think this happens if Chase, Waddle, Smith and Pitts are all gone and also both Sewell and Slater are gone which is likely. Well, Pitts, Sewell and Chase will be gone. If Smith and Waddle are gone too, I could see them trade down. I don't think Slater would prevent it though. Not that it matters, I think Carolina takes Slater if they don't trade down.
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 20, 2021 14:20:44 GMT -5
Besides the top 3 picks isn’t everybody in play to trade back at the right price?
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Post by jmike on Apr 20, 2021 14:22:51 GMT -5
I expect that there will be more than one player at the 11th spot that the Giants grade equally. Two things are needed though. One is a team willing to move up. The other is that team needs to have a pick close enough to still get one of those players they would take at 11. If there are 4 guys, and the only trade partner they can find is at 15, I think they stay put. If there are 5 or more, then they will take the deal down to 15.
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Post by jmike on Apr 20, 2021 14:24:32 GMT -5
Besides the top 3 picks isn’t everybody in play to trade back at the right price? Everyone has their price, this is true. I'm sure even Jacksonville will deal their pick if some team offers them enough for it.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 20, 2021 14:32:27 GMT -5
I’ll believe it when I see it. Hard to teach an old dog new tricks, especially a dog who has never done this before. I also think it’s all a smoke screen, get the word out that you’re interested in trading back. Make teams know you are open and accepting all offers at #11. It would be stupid not to have options, especially in a deep draft. I say stand pat at #11. Only way I would trade back is if 3 of the players on my big board are gone before our pick is up. Then, take the best offer and move back. Remember, having more picks doesn’t always equate to a better draft. All it does, is give you more options on hitting on them. We have to nail our 1st round pick.. Regardless if we trade back or not. Thats kind of wrong Gettlemen drafted one of the first tweener LBs in Shaq Thompson when the rest of the league thought he had no position and he is still balling for the Panthers, Also drafted Curtis Samuel more of a modern type WR 4.38 speed smaller with some running back to him. If anything he has drafted different types of players and used different methods to sign players. You might be right but I think it is who is left and who they target if the guys they want are gone. As you said it could be smoke, if he has a bunch of people from the coaches to his guys like Chris Pettit pushing for a trade down think he will listen and do whats best. I agree with you don't trade back with no plan, it is a risky business no guarantee the guys your looking at will be around if you go a little to far. They have to look at how many guys are bonifided first rounder most drafts yield between 12 to 17 if there is 12 they should get great value if not it is time move.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 20, 2021 14:37:52 GMT -5
I expect that there will be more than one player at the 11th spot that the Giants grade equally. Two things are needed though. One is a team willing to move up. The other is that team needs to have a pick close enough to still get one of those players they would take at 11. If there are 4 guys, and the only trade partner they can find is at 15, I think they stay put. If there are 5 or more, then they will take the deal down to 15. Exactly they need to figure out when the talent drops off and the people they would be targeting, your exactly right they could trade themselves out of some quality talent, thats why it is funny listening to people saying trade down for what and for who have to be answered before that move can be made.
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 20, 2021 15:01:16 GMT -5
I’ll believe it when I see it. Hard to teach an old dog new tricks, especially a dog who has never done this before. I also think it’s all a smoke screen, get the word out that you’re interested in trading back. Make teams know you are open and accepting all offers at #11. It would be stupid not to have options, especially in a deep draft. I say stand pat at #11. Only way I would trade back is if 3 of the players on my big board are gone before our pick is up. Then, take the best offer and move back. Remember, having more picks doesn’t always equate to a better draft. All it does, is give you more options on hitting on them. We have to nail our 1st round pick.. Regardless if we trade back or not. Thats kind of wrong Gettlemen drafted one of the first tweener LBs in Shaq Thompson when the rest of the league thought he had no position and he is still balling for the Panthers, Also drafted Curtis Samuel more of a modern type WR 4.38 speed smaller with some running back to him. If anything he has drafted different types of players and used different methods to sign players. You might be right but I think it is who is left and who they target if the guys they want are gone. As you said it could be smoke, if he has a bunch of people from the coaches to his guys like Chris Pettit pushing for a trade down think he will listen and do whats best. I agree with you don't trade back with no plan, it is a risky business no guarantee the guys your looking at will be around if you go a little to far. They have to look at how many guys are bonifided first rounder most drafts yield between 12 to 17 if there is 12 they should get great value if not it is time move. The first tweener to me was Mark Barron. He was too big to play safety, and too small to play linebacker. He’s had a good career, moving to linebacker and putting the weight on probably saved and prolonged his career. Shaq Thompson was an all American at Washington. Guys like him no matter their size will get a chance to be drafted by a team. He’s been an ok player, there’s nothing about his game that says “brilliant.” Like Barron, they got into the league at the right time. When teams are implementing positions for players like them. The joker position, or the big nickel. If they were drafted in the ‘80s and ‘90s they would have been pushed out of the league due to their lack in size. I’m not reading too much into the tea leaves or what he says she says. A lot of good players can be had at #11. We still have positions of need that need to be addressed. Offensive lineman, linebacker, edge rusher, wide receiver. I’m certain we can get a player at one of these positions in the 1st. If the draft goes to plan (which it never does) I want Parsons or Slater. If teams go quarterback frenzy, all bets are off. And we should have a slew of options at #11.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 20, 2021 15:08:43 GMT -5
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Post by robl on Apr 20, 2021 15:19:52 GMT -5
I think when pick 11 rolls around there will be an elite player we want there that won’t be there a few picks later.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 20, 2021 15:24:13 GMT -5
I think when pick 11 rolls around there will be an elite player we want there that won’t be there a few picks later. Im going to bet there will be an elite player making it out of the first round. At least one. Just have to pick the right one.
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 20, 2021 16:01:55 GMT -5
I think when pick 11 rolls around there will be an elite player we want there that won’t be there a few picks later. Im going to bet there will be an elite player making it out of the first round. At least one. Just have to pick the right one. Agreed. There is always that one player who slips though the cracks for whatever reason. I still wouldn’t trade back, unless it’s necessary. We’re at a good spot to snag a very good player. We just can’t get too cute and do something stupid.
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Post by piddy283 on Apr 20, 2021 16:30:35 GMT -5
I think this happens if Chase, Waddle, Smith and Pitts are all gone and also both Sewell and Slater are gone which is likely. Do you really think they will all be gone? Not for nothing, but I really hope you're wrong. 4 QB's 2 OL 1-2 CB|LB|Edge (hopefully!) Man, that's close. If all of those guys are gone, trading back has to be in play. Either way, I still wouldn't be upset with a Parsons, Surtain, or Collins.
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Post by 3days on Apr 20, 2021 16:31:46 GMT -5
Im going to bet there will be an elite player making it out of the first round. At least one. Just have to pick the right one. Agreed. There is always that one player who slips though the cracks for whatever reason. I still wouldn’t trade back, unless it’s necessary. We’re at a good spot to snag a very good player. We just can’t get too cute and do something stupid. Unless they are focused on Edge then we better trade back as none are worth the 11th.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Apr 20, 2021 16:36:55 GMT -5
That must be one hell of a hot pretzel, hot dog, and bag of doughnuts.
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Post by TEM on Apr 20, 2021 16:42:23 GMT -5
It depends on what we get in return .
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 20, 2021 16:43:15 GMT -5
Besides the top 3 picks isn’t everybody in play to trade back at the right price? Everyone has their price, this is true. I'm sure even Jacksonville will deal their pick if some team offers them enough for it. oooh,i think i’d go QB regardless with him. Never know
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 20, 2021 16:44:39 GMT -5
Im going to bet there will be an elite player making it out of the first round. At least one. Just have to pick the right one. Agreed. There is always that one player who slips though the cracks for whatever reason. I still wouldn’t trade back, unless it’s necessary. We’re at a good spot to snag a very good player. We just can’t get too cute and do something stupid. We are also more than 1 good player away from being a good team IMO. We need a lot more depth too. Im all for trading back if we cant get one of the top 5-6 players if any of them fall due to QBs pushing them back.
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Post by rbe40 on Apr 20, 2021 16:51:06 GMT -5
Smokescreen
They're not trading back.
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Post by rbe40 on Apr 20, 2021 16:54:19 GMT -5
Cowboys are also fielding calls to trade back apparently. Interesting to see if they undercut us on a trade back. Even our ideas of trading back get jumped lol Why is it always you who falls Hook Line and Sinker to this media speculation BS? You are SO gullible. Media tells you X. You believe X. You fall for the okie doke every single time. Don't you get tired of getting played by the media? Wake up.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 20, 2021 17:08:01 GMT -5
Smokescreen They're not trading back. They’re considering it like they are considering every other option (including trading up). Not really much of a revelation. If they didn’t consider every possible option (as Dave has done in the past) that would be GM malpractice of the highest order
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 20, 2021 17:19:54 GMT -5
Smokescreen They're not trading back. They’re considering it like they are considering every other option (including trading up). Not really much of a revelation. If they didn’t consider every possible option (as Dave has done in the past) that would be GM malpractice of the highest order Don't bother trying to educate the village idiot.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Apr 20, 2021 17:43:46 GMT -5
Now that this annual incorrect article has been written we can move forward with the draft. Excellent.
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 20, 2021 17:54:38 GMT -5
Agreed. There is always that one player who slips though the cracks for whatever reason. I still wouldn’t trade back, unless it’s necessary. We’re at a good spot to snag a very good player. We just can’t get too cute and do something stupid. Unless they are focused on Edge then we better trade back as none are worth the 11th. Agreed about the edge position. Hopefully, the Giants aren’t lining up all their ducks with this position. I want an edge rusher from hell as much as the next fan. But, I also don’t want to grab one just for the sake of drafting one. We can still get plenty of talented players at 11 who aren’t edge rushers.
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Post by rbe40 on Apr 20, 2021 17:55:03 GMT -5
They’re considering it like they are considering every other option (including trading up). Not really much of a revelation. If they didn’t consider every possible option (as Dave has done in the past) that would be GM malpractice of the highest order Don't bother trying to educate the village idiot. Every team thinks about trading back. This isn't news-worthy. The Giants are not more or less likely to trade or move back than anyone else. All fake rumors and speculation. Hook, Line, and Sinker Look at TheAnalyst being played by the media like a fiddle
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Post by rbe40 on Apr 20, 2021 17:57:24 GMT -5
Smokescreen They're not trading back. They’re considering it like they are considering every other option (including trading up). Not really much of a revelation. If they didn’t consider every possible option (as Dave has done in the past) that would be GM malpractice of the highest order Smokescreen got you fooled (it worked, Gettleman playing chess, confirmed.) The best smokescreens are the ones that actually work.
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