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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 20, 2021 18:15:00 GMT -5
Unless they are focused on Edge then we better trade back as none are worth the 11th. Agreed about the edge position. Hopefully, the Giants aren’t lining up all their ducks with this position. I want an edge rusher from hell as much as the next fan. But, I also don’t want to grab one just for the sake of drafting one. We can still get plenty of talented players at 11 who aren’t edge rushers. 80% chance there will be a much better football player than an edge rusher at 11
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 20, 2021 18:49:37 GMT -5
They’re considering it like they are considering every other option (including trading up). Not really much of a revelation. If they didn’t consider every possible option (as Dave has done in the past) that would be GM malpractice of the highest order Smokescreen got you fooled (it worked, Gettleman playing chess, confirmed.) The best smokescreens are the ones that actually work. Wtf are you talking about? You said in your previous post that “every team thinks about trading back”, which is precisely my point. Gettleman strikes me as more of a checkers player than a chess player BTW ....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 19:05:15 GMT -5
They're not trading back. Every team thinks about trading back.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 20, 2021 21:14:13 GMT -5
Smokescreen got you fooled (it worked, Gettleman playing chess, confirmed.) The best smokescreens are the ones that actually work. Wtf are you talking about? You said in your previous post that “every team thinks about trading back”, which is precisely my point. Gettleman strikes me as more of a checkers player than a chess player BTW .... Definitely a Chutes and Ladders guy.
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Post by jimmieray on Apr 21, 2021 7:01:30 GMT -5
If one of those QBs falls to us I wouldn't mind us trading back, because that would mean we'd be getting a future first round pick in 2022. The two teams that I think we could make a deal with are the Patriots and Washington, and I know you're not suppose to do deal with your division rival but if they offer us 2 first rounders and 2 second rounders, I'm taking that deal.
Aside from that though, I wouldn't trade down if all the QBs were off the board because it would mean we would lose out on any chance of taking one of these five guys (Smith, Waddle, Slater, Parson, Surtain) so the value we'd be giving up would be to high in my opinion and the compensation we'd be receiving wouldn't be able to match that. I had thought the same about division rivals, but maybe they'd get that QB anyway once they pick. It's not like a can't miss prospect, and maybe them giving up additional picks puts more pressure on that guy. Haskins the idiot made a big deal about the Giants not selecting him, and quickly failed. The Patriots we seem to have been very cozy with lately, that could be a deal that's already being discussed with confidentiality.
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Post by rbe40 on Apr 21, 2021 7:30:17 GMT -5
Smokescreen got you fooled (it worked, Gettleman playing chess, confirmed.) The best smokescreens are the ones that actually work. Wtf are you talking about? You said in your previous post that “every team thinks about trading back”, which is precisely my point. Gettleman strikes me as more of a checkers player than a chess player BTW .... That's the point, genius. EVERY team is thinking of trading back. Why are the Giants being singled out? This is non-news.
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Post by rbe40 on Apr 21, 2021 7:32:03 GMT -5
Wtf are you talking about? You said in your previous post that “every team thinks about trading back”, which is precisely my point. Gettleman strikes me as more of a checkers player than a chess player BTW .... Definitely a Chutes and Ladders guy. Imagine being played by the media over and over, not realizing you're being manipulated like a fool. It must suck that the lying sports media has you by the string. You're a gullible fool. Nothing more.
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Post by rbe40 on Apr 21, 2021 7:33:32 GMT -5
They're not trading back. Every team thinks about trading back. The media is singling out the Giants regarding trading back. The Giants are just like 28 other NFL teams. They are not any more or less likely to trade back. Why do u allow the media to control you?
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Post by rbe40 on Apr 21, 2021 7:35:03 GMT -5
Wtf are you talking about? You said in your previous post that “every team thinks about trading back”, which is precisely my point. Gettleman strikes me as more of a checkers player than a chess player BTW .... Definitely a Chutes and Ladders guy. "We already have a great Running Back - Paul Perkins" Classic.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2021 7:43:12 GMT -5
Any further posts here that include personal attacks will be immediately deleted. If it continues much longer...so will the poster.
It stops now.
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Post by GameTime on Apr 21, 2021 7:51:38 GMT -5
The media is singling out the Giants regarding trading back. The Giants are just like 28 other NFL teams. They are not any more or less likely to trade back. Are u this dumb? Seriously? Why can't u understand basic logic? Why do u allow the media to control you? Gullible fool. take a step back with your response. Thanks no need for the "dumb" remarks.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 21, 2021 8:00:49 GMT -5
They're not trading back. Every team thinks about trading back.
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Post by rbe40 on Apr 21, 2021 8:04:02 GMT -5
"Should have let Leonard Williams walk" Yeah, let the 1 guy who the entire defense is built around, walk. Let the MVP of the entire football team walk. Special.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 21, 2021 8:06:42 GMT -5
Wtf are you talking about? You said in your previous post that “every team thinks about trading back”, which is precisely my point. Gettleman strikes me as more of a checkers player than a chess player BTW .... That's the point, genius. EVERY team is thinking of trading back. Why are the Giants being singled out? This is non-news. Of course ... everyone knows that the Giants and every other team in the league is (or should be) "thinking about" moving down, along with every possible option. So what "smokescreen" is it that you are accusing everyone of falling for? It might be news that Gettleman is actually thinking about all options, rather than just "falling in love", putting his blinders on and ignoring all incoming calls.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2021 8:24:23 GMT -5
I know we are hearing about trading back, and getting an edge or Darrisaw, Vera-Tucker...but what about this guy?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 21, 2021 8:48:21 GMT -5
I know we are hearing about trading back, and getting an edge or Darrisaw, Vera-Tucker...but what about this guy? Saw a bunch of Gator games this past year, and Toney and Pitts really stood out. I thought Toney would be a 2nd-3rd round type WR, like a Desean Jackson type, but he is certainly gaining a lot of steam headed into the draft. I think he is a little bigger than Desean but definitely has the playmaking ability Jackson had. Crazy game speed. The biggest concern with Toney is injuries.
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Post by jmike on Apr 21, 2021 8:52:42 GMT -5
I know we are hearing about trading back, and getting an edge or Darrisaw, Vera-Tucker...but what about this guy? Hell of a good player. Though I recently heard that there are character red flags on him that hasn't hit the media, but the teams know about. Some don't care, others have taken him off their board entirely. I like Bateman more than him anyway. A guy to look at for their 2nd round pick is Eli Moore. Smurf, but solidly built and explosive player. I could see him being Steve Smith(CAR not NYG) in the NFL.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2021 9:06:23 GMT -5
I know we are hearing about trading back, and getting an edge or Darrisaw, Vera-Tucker...but what about this guy? Hell of a good player. Though I recently heard that there are character red flags on him that hasn't hit the media, but the teams know about. Some don't care, others have taken him off their board entirely. I like Bateman more than him anyway. A guy to look at for their 2nd round pick is Eli Moore. Smurf, but solidly built and explosive player. I could see him being Steve Smith(CAR not NYG) in the NFL. We keep hearing about edge as the trade back...but the best value will be the later chosen receivers...can get a pro bowl player in round 2 catching the ball.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 21, 2021 9:09:12 GMT -5
That's the point, genius. EVERY team is thinking of trading back. Why are the Giants being singled out? This is non-news. Of course ... everyone knows that the Giants and every other team in the league is (or should be) "thinking about" moving down, along with every possible option. So what "smokescreen" is it that you are accusing everyone of falling for? It might be news that Gettleman is actually thinking about all options, rather than just "falling in love", putting his blinders on and ignoring all incoming calls. It's been the Giants way since forever.......its what was taught.. It's also archaic and pure stubbornness at times (see 1996,2016) Judge comes from an organization not afraid to move all over the place. We will see who has tbe most influence come draft day (of course with the caveat we have no idea what their big board is like ...I suspect it's vastly different than what the draft industrial complexes are...ex...my gut tells me Parsons is not on our board due to his off field situation,and would not be surprised if Zevon Collins (who looks about as perfect fit for Graham's style..yes he is a draft crush but he also is a perfect fit)is withing "reach "where it wouldn't be a reach if the truths scenario plays out ) I really think a trade possibility is very real this year..especially if all tbe guys at the top of their board are gone and the next tier is a large pool of similarly graded players and they want to maximize draft attempts at this group.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 21, 2021 9:10:51 GMT -5
I know we are hearing about trading back, and getting an edge or Darrisaw, Vera-Tucker...but what about this guy? Yep yep In that "next " group O line-AVT,Jenkins WR-Toney,Marshall,Bateman Zevon Collins(who I take every time in a trade back) Ojulari,Phillips...
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Post by jmike on Apr 21, 2021 9:20:35 GMT -5
Hell of a good player. Though I recently heard that there are character red flags on him that hasn't hit the media, but the teams know about. Some don't care, others have taken him off their board entirely. I like Bateman more than him anyway. A guy to look at for their 2nd round pick is Eli Moore. Smurf, but solidly built and explosive player. I could see him being Steve Smith(CAR not NYG) in the NFL. We keep hearing about edge as the trade back...but the best value will be the later chosen receivers...can get a pro bowl player in round 2 catching the ball. Yeah, I don't see these edge guys as reaches personally. But no matter who they draft there will be complaints by fans on here that it was a reach, or about how dumb they were to pass on X player. I think as fans we need to accept that we don't know as much as we think we do. And there is plenty of evidence that the talking head draft "experts" don't know much more. At the end of the day, whoever they draft will be a Giant and there are plenty of reasons to like all these players that might be selected there. There are also plenty of reasons to not like any of these players. So if one is determined to be miserable about it, they can be. For me, I prefer to look at the positives in a player. Because we don't know the future or what will transpire, so what do we lose by being optimistic about it? Paye is a funny case for me. If you read all the draft sites they are all over the board with how they describe him. They will say no Edge player is worth the 11th pick when discussing the Giants and then go and mock Paye to Denver(9), Dallas(10) or Minny(14). I find they tend to talk out of both sides of their mouth on many of these players. Like Parsons "top 10 talent wouldn't be surprised if he fell due to red flags". True statement, but doesn't commit to an opinion. Which is why I decided to spend so much time watching Paye. The kid is a great football player right now with lots of room for improvement as well. He is definitely worth a high first round pick. The consternation may be the perception of their being an even better player at 11, which is possible depending on one's opinion. But to turn that into calling him a "disaster" or a "reach" is just hyperbole. He isn't, there are just other preferred players there for some.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 21, 2021 9:51:45 GMT -5
I know we are hearing about trading back, and getting an edge or Darrisaw, Vera-Tucker...but what about this guy? Hell of a good player. Though I recently heard that there are character red flags on him that hasn't hit the media, but the teams know about. Some don't care, others have taken him off their board entirely. I like Bateman more than him anyway. A guy to look at for their 2nd round pick is Eli Moore. Smurf, but solidly built and explosive player. I could see him being Steve Smith(CAR not NYG) in the NFL. Thats probably why he slips a bit. 2nd 3rd round maybe. I haven't heard much about character concerns, but did hear about his nagging injuries quite a bit from Gator nation. On the field though he is electric. Kinda the way Percy Harvin stood out in Gainesville.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Apr 21, 2021 10:34:50 GMT -5
I don't think this is anything new in the thinking here. It would be new if we actually did it. The "we" meaning Gettlemen. The 4 receivers and 2 OT's left probably determine the trade back if anybody comes down to us for that 5th QB that would be there.
Rapoport just got a headline from what the Giants wanted leaked imo. I just don't think were in the primary position for a trade of one of these QB's. If it happens great but from the 4th pick down (Atlanta) maybe not Cinci at #5 or even Miami (but who knows with Miami) everybody else will listen to a trade before us I would think.
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Post by rbe40 on Apr 21, 2021 11:29:23 GMT -5
Hell of a good player. Though I recently heard that there are character red flags on him that hasn't hit the media, but the teams know about. Some don't care, others have taken him off their board entirely. I like Bateman more than him anyway. A guy to look at for their 2nd round pick is Eli Moore. Smurf, but solidly built and explosive player. I could see him being Steve Smith(CAR not NYG) in the NFL. Thats probably why he slips a bit. 2nd 3rd round maybe. I haven't heard much about character concerns, but did hear about his nagging injuries quite a bit from Gator nation. On the field though he is electric. Kinda the way Percy Harvin stood out in Gainesville. "Giants should have let Leonard Williams walk" The 1 guy who the entire defense is built around, literally....you wanted the Giants to let him walk? And here you are giving your opinion when your credibility went to Zero with that single comment.
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Post by lt56 on Apr 21, 2021 11:31:33 GMT -5
I would be totally fine with trading back and still getting a edge like Zaven Collins or a Lineman like Teven Jenkins
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 21, 2021 11:33:16 GMT -5
I know we are hearing about trading back, and getting an edge or Darrisaw, Vera-Tucker...but what about this guy? tremendous tackling. . . . yet if guy can catch and run a pattern sure.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 21, 2021 11:33:21 GMT -5
I would be totally fine with trading back and still getting a edge like Zaven Collins or a Lineman like Teven Jenkins From what I have seen on Collins, which admittedly isn't too much, I like what I saw.
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Post by jmike on Apr 21, 2021 11:34:35 GMT -5
Thats probably why he slips a bit. 2nd 3rd round maybe. I haven't heard much about character concerns, but did hear about his nagging injuries quite a bit from Gator nation. On the field though he is electric. Kinda the way Percy Harvin stood out in Gainesville. "Giants should have let Leonard Williams walk" The 1 guy who the entire defense is built around, literally....you wanted the Giants to let him walk? And here you are giving your opinion when your credibility went to Zero with that single comment.
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Post by rbe40 on Apr 21, 2021 11:37:51 GMT -5
"Giants should have let Leonard Williams walk" The 1 guy who the entire defense is built around, literally....you wanted the Giants to let him walk? And here you are giving your opinion when your credibility went to Zero with that single comment. Leonard Williams is the MVP of the entire football team. The entire defense is built around the versatility of LW's skill-set. Please tell me you recognize this?
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 21, 2021 11:39:27 GMT -5
Leonard Williams is the MVP of the entire football team. The entire defense is built around the versatility of LW's skill-set. Please tell me you recognize this? No one ever has any idea what you are talking about.
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