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Post by idkaname on Sept 27, 2021 12:10:30 GMT -5
I have been baffled this year by the play calls on both sides of the ball.
It literally doesn’t make sense…
1. Why would a press-man D coach play soft “prevent” zone over and over ? Especially when it wasn’t the way he approached the scheme last year ?
2. Garret can’t be that dumb. Why is this guy calling awful plays at key moments ? I refuse to believe this guy is dumb enough to call a trick play every time we get into the red zone, cuz if I’m calling plays watching at home-the defense might as well be hooked up to Graham’s mic.
Anyway, the truly baffling thing about the offense …since when do a Jason Garret avoid the TE in the red zone, especially inside the 5? Garret has been around long enough to know what will work and what won’t, especially when what hasn’t is being used over and over. There’s no way that the guy that called a pass to the TE literally every time he played the giants and was inside the red zone is not calling for a pass to the TE at least some of the time…
Instead we’re throwing fades and low probability passes for short yardage ? Hell the hand off to Barkley is the first run inside the 5 yard line this year that I remember…
Something fishy going on and it ain’t the tuna casserole in the cafeteria.
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Post by bigbluebrazil on Sept 27, 2021 12:18:50 GMT -5
I have been baffled this year by the play calls on both sides of the ball. It literally doesn’t make sense… 1. Why would a press-man D coach play soft “prevent” zone over and over ? Especially when it wasn’t the way he approached the scheme last year ? 2. Garret can’t be that dumb. Why is this guy calling awful plays at key moments ? I refuse to believe this guy is dumb enough to call a trick play every time we get into the red zone, cuz if I’m calling plays-the defense might as well be hooked up to Graham’s mic. Anyway, the truly baffling thing about the offense …since when do a Jason Garret avoid the TE in the red zone, especially inside the 5? Garret has been around long enough to know what will work and what won’t, especially when what hasn’t is being used over and over. There’s no way that the guy that called a pass to the TE literally every time he played the giants and was inside the red zone is not calling for a pass to the TE at least some of the time… Instead we’re throwing fades and low probability passes for short yardage ? Hell the hand off to Barkley is the first run inside the 5 yard line this year that I remember… Something fishy going on and it ain’t the tuna casserole in the cafeteria. I speculated in another thread that maybe Joe Judge's very conservative coaching may have something to do with it, v.g. the calls vs. WFT after the Bradberry interception. Even if it is so, Garret is the onde who draws and calls the plays, so he is also very responsible for this s*** show. |
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Post by PennState1 on Sept 27, 2021 12:22:28 GMT -5
Can someone please explain why our D started to look good late last year and now they suck? What changed?
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Post by idkaname on Sept 27, 2021 12:23:34 GMT -5
I have been baffled this year by the play calls on both sides of the ball. It literally doesn’t make sense… 1. Why would a press-man D coach play soft “prevent” zone over and over ? Especially when it wasn’t the way he approached the scheme last year ? 2. Garret can’t be that dumb. Why is this guy calling awful plays at key moments ? I refuse to believe this guy is dumb enough to call a trick play every time we get into the red zone, cuz if I’m calling plays-the defense might as well be hooked up to Graham’s mic. Anyway, the truly baffling thing about the offense …since when do a Jason Garret avoid the TE in the red zone, especially inside the 5? Garret has been around long enough to know what will work and what won’t, especially when what hasn’t is being used over and over. There’s no way that the guy that called a pass to the TE literally every time he played the giants and was inside the red zone is not calling for a pass to the TE at least some of the time… Instead we’re throwing fades and low probability passes for short yardage ? Hell the hand off to Barkley is the first run inside the 5 yard line this year that I remember… Something fishy going on and it ain’t the tuna casserole in the cafeteria. I speculated in another thread that maybe Joe Judge's very conservative coaching may have something to do with it, v.g. the calls vs. WFT after the Bradberry interception. Even if it is so, Garret is the onde who draws and calls the plays, so he is also very responsible for this s*** show. piggybacking off the judge conservative aspect…maybe Garret does have more long balls dialed up but Jones is checking out of it / avoiding throwing into contested coverage per Judges instructions…in any situation the fault is actually Judges because he allows this **** to continue. Also, a tell tale sign of an awful coach is poor adjustments…I don’t think I’ve seen Judge adjust an offensive game plan once since he’s been here. We just do the same thing over and over as planned coming into the game. WTF |
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Post by Roosevelt on Sept 27, 2021 12:24:44 GMT -5
Can someone please explain why our D started to look good late last year and now they suck? What changed?
We let Dalvin Tomlinson go.
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Post by idkaname on Sept 27, 2021 12:26:13 GMT -5
Can someone please explain why our D started to look good late last year and now they suck? What changed? playcalling. That’s what I’m saying!! 0 blitzes and man cover corners playing DEEEEP (13+ yards of the man) on like 3rd and 3. That literally can’t be what Graham is expecting to work in those situations. Something is off with the entire league this year, been fishy af and it’s 100% goodell trying to recover profits from COVID. Hate that dude. |
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Post by Jomo on Sept 27, 2021 12:26:36 GMT -5
Can someone please explain why our D started to look good late last year and now they suck? What changed? What changed is we added another cover corner with a good reputation and drafted a presumed pass rusher. |
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Post by idkaname on Sept 27, 2021 12:27:55 GMT -5
Can someone please explain why our D started to look good late last year and now they suck? What changed?
We let Dalvin Tomlinson go.
😆 gotta be satire…if anybody believes this team is anything but 0-3 if we had Tomlinson, you’re brain’s defense mechanism is in full effect. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2021 12:28:00 GMT -5
I have been baffled this year by the play calls on both sides of the ball. It literally doesn’t make sense… 1. Why would a press-man D coach play soft “prevent” zone over and over ? Especially when it wasn’t the way he approached the scheme last year ? 2. Garret can’t be that dumb. Why is this guy calling awful plays at key moments ? I refuse to believe this guy is dumb enough to call a trick play every time we get into the red zone, cuz if I’m calling plays watching at home-the defense might as well be hooked up to Graham’s mic. Anyway, the truly baffling thing about the offense …since when do a Jason Garret avoid the TE in the red zone, especially inside the 5? Garret has been around long enough to know what will work and what won’t, especially when what hasn’t is being used over and over. There’s no way that the guy that called a pass to the TE literally every time he played the giants and was inside the red zone is not calling for a pass to the TE at least some of the time… Instead we’re throwing fades and low probability passes for short yardage ? Hell the hand off to Barkley is the first run inside the 5 yard line this year that I remember… Something fishy going on and it ain’t the tuna casserole in the cafeteria. I like where your headed with this, if I understand correctly, but go ahead and say what you mean…maybe I got you all wrong. |
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Post by bigbluebrazil on Sept 27, 2021 12:28:03 GMT -5
Can someone please explain why our D started to look good late last year and now they suck? What changed?
We let Dalvin Tomlinson go.
Maybe but would it be the only reason why the D is playing more conservative? |
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Post by McCherry on Sept 27, 2021 12:28:38 GMT -5
Can someone please explain why our D started to look good late last year and now they suck? What changed?
We let Dalvin Tomlinson go.
There seems to be a huge misconception about what type of player Tomlinson is... How did the loss of a run stuffing DT affect our pass defense? The run defense this season has not been a problem. |
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Post by PennState1 on Sept 27, 2021 12:28:55 GMT -5
Can someone please explain why our D started to look good late last year and now they suck? What changed?
We let Dalvin Tomlinson go.
Yes but it looked like we added some talent no? Does one D tackle really make that much of a difference? |
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Post by idkaname on Sept 27, 2021 12:29:43 GMT -5
Can someone please explain why our D started to look good late last year and now they suck? What changed? What changed is we added another cover corner with a good reputation and drafted a presumed pass rusher. don’t forget the brain surgery that swapped Graham and Bill sheridans brain over the offseason! |
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 27, 2021 12:30:46 GMT -5
Can someone please explain why our D started to look good late last year and now they suck? What changed? What changed is we added another cover corner with a good reputation and drafted a presumed pass rusher. The presumed pass rusher is actually doing more than we expected so far .. |
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Post by Roosevelt on Sept 27, 2021 12:34:00 GMT -5
We let Dalvin Tomlinson go.
Yes but it looked like we added some talent no? Does one D tackle really make that much of a difference?
Hey, don't shoot the messenger. I was just answering the question.
Although I did hear a former player or coach attribute Williams' drop off to not having Dalvin there.
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Post by idkaname on Sept 27, 2021 12:40:03 GMT -5
I have been baffled this year by the play calls on both sides of the ball. It literally doesn’t make sense… 1. Why would a press-man D coach play soft “prevent” zone over and over ? Especially when it wasn’t the way he approached the scheme last year ? 2. Garret can’t be that dumb. Why is this guy calling awful plays at key moments ? I refuse to believe this guy is dumb enough to call a trick play every time we get into the red zone, cuz if I’m calling plays watching at home-the defense might as well be hooked up to Graham’s mic. Anyway, the truly baffling thing about the offense …since when do a Jason Garret avoid the TE in the red zone, especially inside the 5? Garret has been around long enough to know what will work and what won’t, especially when what hasn’t is being used over and over. There’s no way that the guy that called a pass to the TE literally every time he played the giants and was inside the red zone is not calling for a pass to the TE at least some of the time… Instead we’re throwing fades and low probability passes for short yardage ? Hell the hand off to Barkley is the first run inside the 5 yard line this year that I remember… Something fishy going on and it ain’t the tuna casserole in the cafeteria. I like where your headed with this, if I understand correctly, but go ahead and say what you mean…maybe I got you all wrong. let’s just say, the Giants wouldn’t be much better off in the standings even if Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Donald, and DeAndre Hopkins were added to the team. Talent isn’t the arrow in this teams heel. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 27, 2021 12:40:15 GMT -5
Yes but it looked like we added some talent no? Does one D tackle really make that much of a difference?
Hey, don't shoot the messenger. I was just answering the question.
Although I did hear a former player or coach attribute Williams' drop off to not having Dalvin there.
Williams is actually having a good season so far..he is on his pace from last year for sacks (has 2 in 3 games and a few pressures)... Its Lawrence that's the enigma it seems |
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Post by bigbluebrazil on Sept 27, 2021 12:40:43 GMT -5
I like where your headed with this, if I understand correctly, but go ahead and say what you mean…maybe I got you all wrong. let’s just say, the Giants wouldn’t be much better off in the standings even if Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Donald, and DeAndre Hopkins were added to the team. Talent isn’t the arrow in this teams heel. So true. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2021 12:56:13 GMT -5
I like where your headed with this, if I understand correctly, but go ahead and say what you mean…maybe I got you all wrong. let’s just say, the Giants wouldn’t be much better off in the standings even if Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Donald, and DeAndre Hopkins were added to the team. Talent isn’t the arrow in this teams heel. I agree 100%….so the fix is in! |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 27, 2021 13:02:54 GMT -5
Can someone please explain why our D started to look good late last year and now they suck? What changed? teams having a year of film to study and scheme them up probably has a lot to do with it, Jackson has been getting better weekly think he was still learning the system. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 27, 2021 13:04:35 GMT -5
Hey, don't shoot the messenger. I was just answering the question.
Although I did hear a former player or coach attribute Williams' drop off to not having Dalvin there.
Williams is actually having a good season so far..he is on his pace from last year for sacks (has 2 in 3 games and a few pressures)... Its Lawrence that's the enigma it seems Lawrence topped them yesterday with 5 pressures but he does have to pick it up get off the block and finish. |
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Post by idkaname on Sept 27, 2021 13:04:48 GMT -5
Can someone please explain why our D started to look good late last year and now they suck? What changed? teams having a year of film to study and scheme them up probably has a lot to do with it, Jackson has been getting better weekly think he was still learning the system. fair point but that doesn’t explain the questionable playcalling that wasn’t present last year (I don’t remember a single game last year where we let the opponents WR have nearly 15 yard cushions all game) |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 27, 2021 13:05:29 GMT -5
What changed is we added another cover corner with a good reputation and drafted a presumed pass rusher. The presumed pass rusher is actually doing more than we expected so far .. 3 sacks in 3 game snot bad for a rookie. |
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Post by theproblem on Sept 27, 2021 13:05:44 GMT -5
Can someone please explain why our D started to look good late last year and now they suck? What changed?
We let Dalvin Tomlinson go.
I was really hoping that the Giants were going to be able to keep him. I don't think many realized exactly how valuable he was. He was an absolute monster in eating up blockers, allowing other defenders to get to the ball carrier on run plays. He was also pretty good at pushing the interior of the pocket on pass plays. I think he's definitely being missed on defense. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 27, 2021 13:07:55 GMT -5
The presumed pass rusher is actually doing more than we expected so far .. 3 sacks in 3 game snot bad for a rookie. Best start for a Giant as a rookie.....and look who we have had Honestly he keeps tbis up he is a DROTY candidate |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 27, 2021 13:08:44 GMT -5
Yes but it looked like we added some talent no? Does one D tackle really make that much of a difference?
Hey, don't shoot the messenger. I was just answering the question.
Although I did hear a former player or coach attribute Williams' drop off to not having Dalvin there.
DT was a rock, but the Giants are decent still against the run more then decent actually, the intangibles DT brought are missed many here cussed Gettlemen for letting Snacks go to give DT his shot it proved right he at that stage of their careers was a much better player. |
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Post by McCherry on Sept 27, 2021 13:09:38 GMT -5
Hey, don't shoot the messenger. I was just answering the question.
Although I did hear a former player or coach attribute Williams' drop off to not having Dalvin there.
Williams is actually having a good season so far..he is on his pace from last year for sacks (has 2 in 3 games and a few pressures)... Its Lawrence that's the enigma it seems This idea some are pushing that Williams play has dropped off isn't even accurate. Dalvin Tomlinson might have been a bit overrated anyway. He has 7 tackles this season, only 3 in the last 2 games. Meanwhile, his replacement Austin Johnson already has 14 tackles and 2 sacks. There was a reason the Giants didn't even make an offer to Tomlinson. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 27, 2021 13:11:35 GMT -5
3 sacks in 3 game snot bad for a rookie. Best start for a Giant as a rookie.....and look who we have had Honestly he keeps tbis up he is a DROTY candidate He has 14 games left to get 7 sacks that puts him at 10 double digit sacks is not easy in the league his awareness to get the ball was a trade mark in college and he showed that yesterday in his young career |
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Post by idkaname on Sept 27, 2021 13:21:23 GMT -5
Something fishy going on and it ain’t the tuna casserole in the cafeteria. I'm curious as to what your conspiracy theory is. watch? Why don’t I show you. Watch the packers-49ers, chiefs-ravens, cowboys-bucs, cowboys-chargers games to name a few “non giant” examples. The referees aren’t even trying anymore, how you gonna call phantom penalties in the biggest momentum shifters in these games ? Again, if you watch the above games in their entirety, you’ll hear the announcers/booth head refs say “idk what the referees were thinking there” in one shape or another…multiple times a game. Never been this bad. Goodell making up profits lost due to COVID. Every primetime game gonna be a last second FG? Lol Zebras can control any outcome they’d like. Believe what you want, I guess it’s “cool” to think something is a conspiracy theory when it’s molly whopping you weekly. Bad teams never get the calls for good reason, $$$ NY teams can lose every game for the next 5 years and still make the NFL more than most franchises due to their media/market. So how does goodell profit off that? Use the NY teams as whipping boys to generate profit from poverty franchises like the Atlanta Falcons 😂 |
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Post by McCherry on Sept 27, 2021 13:31:00 GMT -5
I'm curious as to what your conspiracy theory is. watch? Why don’t I show you. Watch the packers-49ers, chiefs-ravens, cowboys-bucs, cowboys-chargers games to name a few “non giant” examples. The referees aren’t even trying anymore, how you gonna call phantom penalties in the biggest momentum shifters in these games ? Again, if you watch the above games in their entirety, you’ll hear the announcers/booth head refs say “idk what the referees were thinking there” in one shape or another…multiple times a game. Never been this bad. Goodell making up profits lost due to COVID. Every primetime game gonna be a last second FG? Lol Zebras can control any outcome they’d like. Believe what you want, I guess it’s “cool” to think something is a conspiracy theory when it’s molly whopping you weekly. Bad teams never get the calls for good reason, $$$ NY teams can lose every game for the next 5 years and still make the NFL more than most franchises due to their media/market. So how does goodell profit off that? Use the NY teams as whipping boys to generate profit from poverty franchises like the Atlanta Falcons 😂 Not just primetime, it happened in so many games yesterday. Raiders, Ravens. I hate it. But this is what the NFL wants. But I don't know what other bad calls were made in those games. |
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