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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 25, 2021 5:27:15 GMT -5
In my opinion when it comes to the Oline in general it seems like it's a matter of strenghth vs strength for the most part and especially run blocking. I mean dang just push the man in front of you , get a push and especially goal line situations my goodness. To get punked everytime you line up and let the guy in front of you bullrush you, run over you, and everything under the sun is it a matter of them just being weaklings when it comes to that aspect anyway? The guy across from you is getting paid to push you back sure but your ass is getting paid to do the same smdh. I was always curious about that and no you are not playing All starts across from you every week why the heck can't yall get a push and run block better????????/
Sure pass protecting and schemes and such can confuse and is meant to confuse and I can see how average and below average guys will be often but dang just lining up and blocking the guy in front of you and not getting your ass kicked all damn day up and down the field should be something they can do. What are your opinions as to it Olineman who constantly get pushed back/punked all damn game long and why they NEVER are able to beat their man not one time all game long?
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Post by GameTime on Oct 25, 2021 7:02:15 GMT -5
Sakura sucks at the point of attack and it all unfolds from there. back ups and cast offs trying to get a yard aint gonna cut it
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 25, 2021 7:04:50 GMT -5
Sakura sucks at the point of attack and it all unfolds from there. back ups and cast offs trying to get a yard aint gonna cut it Gates and Lemieux got major push last year. Both are out for the year |
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Post by GameTime on Oct 25, 2021 7:06:36 GMT -5
Sakura sucks at the point of attack and it all unfolds from there. back ups and cast offs trying to get a yard aint gonna cut it Gates and Lemieux got major push last year. Both are out for the year they need to go away from that up the gut for very short yardage. They cant get it done |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 25, 2021 7:13:10 GMT -5
Sakura sucks at the point of attack and it all unfolds from there. back ups and cast offs trying to get a yard aint gonna cut it Him and Peart on the same side is really week at this point I still have hope Peart can be a decent player and nice swing guy, because with 2 first round picks RT needs to be one of them and Edge the other. They should be thinking Guard or ILB in the second or Center in the 3rd. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Oct 25, 2021 7:31:28 GMT -5
i think most of these linemen are so overly inflated they render themselves weaker at the POA. Underneath all that sludge/filler is likely a good athlete. That extra weight is their only shot at the NFL these days though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2021 7:37:47 GMT -5
Hernandez had a bad sequence of downs by getting pushed around and then not picking up a stunting player coming across his face..
Can't say I focused on him much so maybe the rest of the game was mistake free..
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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 25, 2021 7:42:43 GMT -5
Sakura sucks at the point of attack and it all unfolds from there. back ups and cast offs trying to get a yard aint gonna cut it yeah but is it because they are weaker than the man in front of them lol? |
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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 25, 2021 7:43:29 GMT -5
Sakura sucks at the point of attack and it all unfolds from there. back ups and cast offs trying to get a yard aint gonna cut it Gates and Lemieux got major push last year. Both are out for the year but is it because the rest of the guys are weaker than the man lining up in front of them? |
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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 25, 2021 7:44:43 GMT -5
i think most of these linemen are so overly inflated they render themselves weaker at the POA. Underneath all that sludge/filler is likely a good athlete. That extra weight is their only shot at the NFL these days though. wowww |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2021 7:45:40 GMT -5
Gates and Lemieux got major push last year. Both are out for the year but is it because the rest of the guys are weaker than the man lining up in front of them? I think leverage plays a lot into getting beat since I would expect they all are strong.. |
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Post by giantsalmon on Oct 25, 2021 7:51:28 GMT -5
I think we are at the point where teams will designate a "spy" on Jones. Judge says they need to stick with those God awful no gain gut runs--"dirty runs". I'm sure its to set up DJ runs and slow the pass rush. NYG needs to self scout and be prepared.
I still think NYG can get more out of the TE position. Sticking with Engram too much.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 25, 2021 7:55:02 GMT -5
but is it because the rest of the guys are weaker than the man lining up in front of them? I think leverage plays a lot into getting beat since I would expect they all are strong.. well then they need to get more/better leverage lmao........... |
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Post by Rangers13 on Oct 25, 2021 7:55:21 GMT -5
i think most of these linemen are so overly inflated they render themselves weaker at the POA. Underneath all that sludge/filler is likely a good athlete. That extra weight is their only shot at the NFL these days though. wowww āI mean dang just push the man in front of youā. Woww, right back at ya chevy |
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Post by GameTime on Oct 25, 2021 8:04:19 GMT -5
Sakura sucks at the point of attack and it all unfolds from there. back ups and cast offs trying to get a yard aint gonna cut it yeah but is it because they are weaker than the man in front of them lol? weaker less talented less desire etc some of those reasons can be helped. Either way they need to play around the faults |
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Post by cdngfan on Oct 25, 2021 8:09:42 GMT -5
I think the answer is always going to be a combination of factors.
As a fan I have a tendency to over-simplify these issues, until I hear in depth coaching for a position and quickly figure out Iām way out of my depth.
We do this a lot with playcalling. Itās the thing we feel the most authority to comment on. But thereās more going on with play selection than we realize.
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Post by jaymas on Oct 25, 2021 8:19:00 GMT -5
The run blocking sucks because our best lineman is currently Will Hernandez.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 25, 2021 8:24:21 GMT -5
Hernandez had a bad sequence of downs by getting pushed around and then not picking up a stunting player coming across his face.. Can't say I focused on him much so maybe the rest of the game was mistake free.. Yeah that is one good thing about Shlereath (sp)doing our games is we get an o linemen point of view,this is where he is most critical. He saw that play immediately and called out Hernandez for taking the wrong guy(something he STILL has issues with though having tbe ancient turnstile next to him doesn't help) |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2021 8:25:58 GMT -5
The run blocking sucks because our best lineman is currently Will Hernandez. Sad but so true.. |
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Post by OrangeGiant on Oct 25, 2021 8:28:08 GMT -5
The thing that concerns me, is you can make a pretty good argument that the Giants still need 4 positions to be filled or upgraded on the OL. Of course this is predicated on how Gates and Lemieux respond to their injuries. I think Lemieux will be fine, but Gates is an unknown.
I have no confidence in Peart or Hernandez at this point, and Solder is terrible. After all this time the line is still the biggest issue this team has.
That's inexcusable
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 25, 2021 8:28:28 GMT -5
but is it because the rest of the guys are weaker than the man lining up in front of them? I thinkĀ leverage plays a lot into getting beat since I would expect they all are strong.. Leverage and techique. Also continuity plays a part witb knowing what the guy next to you can do Watching San Fran and Indiana last night those interior guys have had for the most part the same guys next to them for a while so they can get a little more technical and even exotic with how they block The Bucs line has been together since day 1 last year and probably the best O line in the league right now,a lot of which is because they play as a unit.. Witb us these guys have had different combinations all year |
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 25, 2021 8:35:15 GMT -5
I think we are at the point where teams will designate a "spy" on Jones. Judge says they need to stick with those God awful no gain gut runs--"dirty runs". I'm sure its to set up DJ runs and slow the pass rush. NYG needs to self scout and be prepared. I still think NYG can get more out of the TE position. Sticking with Engram too much. Giants run it better out of shotgun (like most of the NFL seemingly does)and slightly spread out .. One main reason is because you now have to factor Jones with RPO taking it.. I've been screaming at the TV since week 1 about this. When Jones is under center you are now taking a playmaker (which Jones should be considered)out of the equation. Out of shotgun and if teams now have to dedicate a spy it will open up the running game as much as having our playmakers on tbe field opening up tbe middle . But especially inside the 10 where you lose the "have to defend the entire field "factor,you still have to somehow thin things out up front (he'll I saw the Bears stuff Tampa badly yesterday inside the 1 and they have the best O line in the league).. Proof that shotgun works is how many times we convert 2 point conversions out of shotgun running it The walk off TD in New Orleans |
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Post by jmike on Oct 25, 2021 8:39:17 GMT -5
In my opinion when it comes to the Oline in general it seems like it's a matter of strenghth vs strength for the most part and especially run blocking. I mean dang just push the man in front of you , get a push and especially goal line situations my goodness. To get punked everytime you line up and let the guy in front of you bullrush you, run over you, and everything under the sun is it a matter of them just being weaklings when it comes to that aspect anyway? The guy across from you is getting paid to push you back sure but your ass is getting paid to do the same smdh. I was always curious about that and no you are not playing All starts across from you every week why the heck can't yall get a push and run block better????????/ Sure pass protecting and schemes and such can confuse and is meant to confuse and I can see how average and below average guys will be often but dang just lining up and blocking the guy in front of you and not getting your ass kicked all damn day up and down the field should be something they can do. What are your opinions as to it Olineman who constantly get pushed back/punked all damn game long and why they NEVER are able to beat their man not one time all game long? I'm going to go out on a limb here and say it is because our OL isn't good. Let us review LT-Thomas is out but a good player when he is there. Soldier is not a starting caliber player anymore and hasn't been since he signed with the Giants. Peart is talented, but raw, not ready, inconsistent and better off on the right side. LG-Lemieux is a good run blocker and communicator at LG, but weak pass blocker. He's hurt. Bredeson is first replacement got hurt, Gates his 2nd replacement, got hurt after switching positions to cover the hole. Wes Martin his 3rd replacement was bad. Skura is playing out of position to cover the hole but is not good as you would expect from the 4th guy on the list. C-Gates is a solid player, but hurt and was needed to be switched because of the gaping hole to his left. Price was traded away from a team for a reason, a team that is both in need of OL help and a team that drafted him in the first round, it's because he isn't good. RG-Hernandez is the only guy who has managed to maintain his starting position. Unfortunately he is neither good in pass nor run blocking and a poor communicator easily exposed with stunts and movement on the DL. RT-Soldier is not a starting caliber player, he is starting because neither is anyone else on the team. Peart is talented but raw and easily taken advantage of by experienced players. Though I still think he can get to the point of Good Starter, but that time isn't now. Cunningham was sitting on his couch until the Giants called him for a reason, he isn't good. So, basically, the OL is bad, injured or both at every position on the line; this tends to lead to poor performance. Shocking but true. |
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Post by jaymas on Oct 25, 2021 8:52:21 GMT -5
The thing that concerns me, is you can make a pretty good argument that the Giants still need 4 positions to be filled or upgraded on the OL. Of course this is predicated on how Gates and Lemieux respond to their injuries. I think Lemieux will be fine, but Gates is an unknown. I have no confidence in Peart or Hernandez at this point, and Solder is terrible. After all this time the line is still the biggest issue this team has. That's inexcusable I donāt know why Lemieux is always portrayed as some coveted high caliber OL. Is he better than the bottom of the barrel drudge weāre trotting out now? Sure. But itās bit as if heās a very good or great OL. There is an upgrade out there for sure. No offensive line has a good or great player at every position. |
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Oct 25, 2021 9:09:26 GMT -5
JJ in general is a detriment to run blocking as are all these injuries. Run blocking is a symphony of offensive lineman working together. Even without injuries all the swapping we do hurts us. Oh and we keep letting Nate Solder play(I think maybe this was mentioned by a few of us)
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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 25, 2021 9:18:13 GMT -5
āI mean dang just push the man in front of youā. Woww, right back at ya chevy shitcheaaaaaaaaaaaa lol |
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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 25, 2021 9:20:44 GMT -5
yeah but is it because they are weaker than the man in front of them lol? weaker less talented less desire etc some of those reasons can be helped. Either way they need to play around the faults not sure talent has anything to do with desire and wants lol or shouldn't have anyway but I guess overall ability and athleticism. But strength if they are strong enough should be able to decently hold their own anyway. Maybe most of those who don't make the cut are/get lazy and don't actually work on getting stronger. |
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Post by GameTime on Oct 25, 2021 9:23:09 GMT -5
weaker less talented less desire etc some of those reasons can be helped. Either way they need to play around the faults not sure talent has anything to do with desire and wants lol or shouldn't have anyway but I guess overall ability and athleticism. But strength if they are strong enough should be able to decently hold their own anyway. Maybe most of those who don't make the cut are/get lazy and don't actually work on getting stronger. desire and talent are what separates any athlete from the other. Tf they have the desire they will train to be stronger and better. Its all about desire to be the best you can be. |
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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 25, 2021 9:29:33 GMT -5
I think we are at the point where teams will designate a "spy" on Jones. Judge says they need to stick with those God awful no gain gut runs--"dirty runs". I'm sure its to set up DJ runs and slow the pass rush. NYG needs to self scout and be prepared. I still think NYG can get more out of the TE position. Sticking with Engram too much. Giants run it better out of shotgun (like most of the NFL seemingly does)and slightly spread out .. One main reason is because you now have to factor Jones with RPO taking it.. I've been screaming at the TV since week 1 about this. When Jones is under center you are now taking a playmaker (which Jones should be considered)out of the equation. Out of shotgun and if teams now have to dedicate a spy it will open up the running game as much as having our playmakers on tbe field opening up tbe middle . But especially inside the 10 where you lose the "have to defend the entire field "factor,you still have to somehow thin things out up front (he'll I saw the Bears stuff Tampa badly yesterday inside the 1 and they have the best O line in the league).. Proof that shotgun works is how many times we convert 2 point conversions out of shotgun running it The walk off TD in New Orleans I agree man on the shotgun thing. Hopefully we'll get back to that |
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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 25, 2021 9:32:34 GMT -5
not sure talent has anything to do with desire and wants lol or shouldn't have anyway but I guess overall ability and athleticism. But strength if they are strong enough should be able to decently hold their own anyway. Maybe most of those who don't make the cut are/get lazy and don't actually work on getting stronger. desire and talent are what separates any athlete from the other. Tf they have the desire they will train to be stronger and better. Its all about desire to be the best you can be. true |
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