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Post by McCherry on Oct 25, 2021 11:00:01 GMT -5
Shurmur didn't like Allen, so that was never going to happen. And everyone passed on Jackson, he was never going to be an option for us. So you agree it was a mistake to pass on them right?? They weren't on our boards, so I don't spend any time re-living it. I'm happy with our QB. But if you want someone to blame, it's Shurmur. |
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Post by jmike on Oct 25, 2021 11:00:43 GMT -5
maybe its says they still give a damn I agree. Judge definitely hasn't lost the room. And he's managed to do that despite the loss of Alex Tanney. |
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Post by TCHOF on Oct 25, 2021 11:23:13 GMT -5
So you agree it was a mistake to pass on them right?? They weren't on our boards, so I don't spend any time re-living it. I'm happy with our QB. But if you want someone to blame, it's Shurmur. I don’t recall reading that Shurmur didn’t like Allen - do you have a link? |
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Post by Roosevelt on Oct 25, 2021 11:24:47 GMT -5
Last Sunday night I was upset. I was in a bad mood all Monday. Today I woke up feeling like we won a playoff game. When we beat KC next week I may wake up feeling like we won the Super Bowl.
I stopped getting angry a few weeks ago. I'm watching the games more casually now with my only expectation is for this team to lose in the end.
Yesterday was a lot of fun. Good to see them get a win. I like the players and coaches on this team, unlike past teams where we might have been been better I had no use for some of the players.
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Post by McCherry on Oct 25, 2021 11:27:06 GMT -5
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Post by Roswell on Oct 25, 2021 11:27:38 GMT -5
Last Sunday night I was upset. I was in a bad mood all Monday. Today I woke up feeling like we won a playoff game. When we beat KC next week I may wake up feeling like we won the Super Bowl.
I stopped getting angry a few weeks ago. I'm watching the games more casually now with my only expectation is for this team to lose in the end.
Yesterday was a lot of fun. Good to see them get a win. I like the players and coaches on this team, unlike past teams where we might have been been better I had no use for some of the players.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2021 11:43:30 GMT -5
So you agree it was a mistake to pass on them right?? They weren't on our boards, so I don't spend any time re-living it. I'm happy with our QB. But if you want someone to blame, it's Shurmur. They were good picks it doesn't matter if they were on the board.. Getty gets the credit for passing on Donald and Rosen but missed on those two.. This is pretty basic yet you want to disagree for some strange reason.. Too funny!!
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Post by Speedman on Oct 25, 2021 12:12:40 GMT -5
They weren't on our boards, so I don't spend any time re-living it. I'm happy with our QB. But if you want someone to blame, it's Shurmur. They were good picks it doesn't matter if they were on the board.. Getty gets the credit for passing on Donald and Rosen but missed on those two.. This is pretty basic yet you want to disagree for some strange reason.. Too funny!!
If I was hell bent on picking a QB in that draft I would have picked Allen. Didn’t like Mayfield or Darnold and was afraid of Rosen’s concussions. Wouldn’t have picked Jackson even after seeing him play in the NFL. Did you criticize every GM for not picking Rodgers in 2005? |
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Post by jb456 on Oct 25, 2021 12:32:57 GMT -5
As he was definitely wrong by passing on Jackson and Allen.. Didn't go with Rosen so he was 50% right.. Yeah!
Shurmur didn't like Allen, so that was never going to happen. And everyone passed on Jackson, he was never going to be an option for us. Jackson wouldn't have been half the player his is now if he were on the Giants. The Giants would have needed to set up a field hospital if Jackson was running behind this Oline. Plus, the Giants don't even have creative coaches to utilize Jackson's ability. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2021 12:43:35 GMT -5
They were good picks it doesn't matter if they were on the board.. Getty gets the credit for passing on Donald and Rosen but missed on those two.. This is pretty basic yet you want to disagree for some strange reason.. Too funny!!
If I was hell bent on picking a QB in that draft I would have picked Allen. Didn’t like Mayfield or Darnold and was afraid of Rosen’s concussions. Wouldn’t have picked Jackson even after seeing him play in the NFL. Did you criticize every GM for not picking Rodgers in 2005? I'll do you one better I called that Brady would be the best ever and he was a steal for the patriots..
The Rogers draft LOL
I liked Mayfield the best for what it's worth..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2021 12:48:52 GMT -5
I wish we could get more consistency from our WR core, as far the roster itself and performance.
DJ's tryin to execute with a different team every week.
I wish my man Brightwell would get running back snaps, Booker, though sometimes serviceable, is extremely unexciting. (is brightwell still on the roster?)
I was glad to see the tight end position utilized, i wish we'd stay with that. I was hoping rudolph got that TD, woulda been nice after a totally dead first third of the season.
all excuses aside, the injuries and up / down performances of this roster really make it hard to gauge just what the hell we could be.
I hope we get some main dudes back for the chiefs game.
as much as anything, this team just needs some stability in all facets.
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Post by ocgiant on Oct 25, 2021 12:52:46 GMT -5
A win is a win and I will take it against any team in the NFL. I recall a post where someone said it was like watching the Giants play the Giants. Maybe this time the Panthers act as the catalyst to get the Giants momentum going right for rest of the season. Both the D &O showed some balance in contribution.
I will give DJ credit for his performance yesterday, he knows he has to perform this whole season. The catch he made was as athletic a catch as I have ever seen by a QB or WR for that matter! Let's see what DJ looks like by the end of the season because he demonstrates so many attributes that you want in your QB.
Let's hope the Giant's can get and stay healthy so we know what we have by the end of the season with this team.
Going to take the rest of the season one game at a time.
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Post by spaceweather on Oct 25, 2021 12:58:24 GMT -5
To dismiss this win as "a game we should have won" is blind fervor. Perhaps you haven't watched many Giants games as of late. There are NO "should wins" on our schedule. Every game will be tough to win, so let's take a moment to enjoy the one's we DO manage to win. If that one handed catch doesn't prove to you that DJ is our franchise QB, then I don't know what else to tell you. He is finally lifting the team and making other players look good. There was no way this team was going to lose after that. Big kudos to the defense. It only took you 7 games. I hope this carries over. I am not optimistic for the rest of the season. 4-6 wins is about all I can comfortably predict without lying to myself. That said, I think Dave retires at the end of the season no matter what the record is. Abrams gets the nod for at least a year and Judge & Jones get one more year to get it together. If it still doesn't improve, then we blow it up. Anyway, that's my take as worthless as it is. Abrams being the GM is the exact move that keeps this team a losing team. Would be an absolute awful decision but one Mara would make because well, he is a bad owner. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 25, 2021 13:01:50 GMT -5
Ill take the W, since they are rare. We won convincingly, which is even more rare. Once a year if that?
As for the Panthers, it is possible their OL was in more shambles than ours. That, mixed with no CMC and Darnold looking like butt cheeks, allowed that to feel easy, although they were only 1 score down still in the 3rd period. Not like we are healthy though so, eh. Robby Anderson had a couple of key drops to help the defense too.
I agree with most of your takes. DG will should be "Tom Coughlin"ed, retire. And if its Abrams next, more pain.
KC game at a perfect time. Backup QB. I actually think they need to study how they stopped the KC offense, which was playing the safeties deep and not getting beat deep the whole game. Make em go underneath and make the tackles.
Not expecting a win, but wasn't vs NO or Car either. 4-6 wins sounds about right.
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Post by mikethenygfan on Oct 25, 2021 13:05:36 GMT -5
To dismiss this win as "a game we should have won" is blind fervor. Perhaps you haven't watched many Giants games as of late. There are NO "should wins" on our schedule. Every game will be tough to win, so let's take a moment to enjoy the one's we DO manage to win. If that one handed catch doesn't prove to you that DJ is our franchise QB, then I don't know what else to tell you. He is finally lifting the team and making other players look good. There was no way this team was going to lose after that. Big kudos to the defense. It only took you 7 games. I hope this carries over. I am not optimistic for the rest of the season. 4-6 wins is about all I can comfortably predict without lying to myself. That said, I think Dave retires at the end of the season no matter what the record is. Abrams gets the nod for at least a year and Judge & Jones get one more year to get it together. If it still doesn't improve, then we blow it up. Anyway, that's my take as worthless as it is. i was at the game and the crowd went crazy when jones made that catch. Thought about leaving the game early cause we had the win wrapped up but decided to stay and soak in the win. Haven’t been to many games that the giants won so that was nice. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 25, 2021 13:06:21 GMT -5
Where are these people now? *crickets* A week ago we were the worst team in the NFL. Now it's "We only beat a terrible team". Uh, what? If the Giants could bottle the Saints game and this one and stop giving the winnable ones away they would have a little cushion right now 4-3, until they prove they can win when they out play a team 99% of the time we have to stay on guard. I'm hoping one of these days they will turn the corner for good, and believe they will. |
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Post by SG88 on Oct 25, 2021 13:08:51 GMT -5
Ill take the W, since they are rare. We won convincingly, which is even more rare. Once a year if that? As for the Panthers, it is possible their OL was in more shambles than ours. That, mixed with no CMC and Darnold looking like butt cheeks, allowed that to feel easy, although they were only 1 score down still in the 3rd period. Not like we are healthy though so, eh. Robby Anderson had a couple of key drops to help the defense too. I agree with most of your takes. DG will should be "Tom Coughlin"ed, retire. And if its Abrams next, more pain. KC game at a perfect time. Backup QB. I actually think they need to study how they stopped the KC offense, which was playing the safeties deep and not getting beat deep the whole game. Make em go underneath and make the tackles. Not expecting a win, but wasn't vs NO or Car either. 4-6 wins sounds about right. Mahomes passed protocols and will be there on Monday. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 25, 2021 13:10:01 GMT -5
To dismiss this win as "a game we should have won" is blind fervor. Perhaps you haven't watched many Giants games as of late. There are NO "should wins" on our schedule. Every game will be tough to win, so let's take a moment to enjoy the one's we DO manage to win. If that one handed catch doesn't prove to you that DJ is our franchise QB, then I don't know what else to tell you. He is finally lifting the team and making other players look good. There was no way this team was going to lose after that. Big kudos to the defense. It only took you 7 games. I hope this carries over. I am not optimistic for the rest of the season. 4-6 wins is about all I can comfortably predict without lying to myself. That said, I think Dave retires at the end of the season no matter what the record is. Abrams gets the nod for at least a year and Judge & Jones get one more year to get it together. If it still doesn't improve, then we blow it up. Anyway, that's my take as worthless as it is. Welcome back hope all is well DJ can win if the Giants ever get healthy again. Your guy is the man IMHO. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 25, 2021 13:16:50 GMT -5
Ill take the W, since they are rare. We won convincingly, which is even more rare. Once a year if that? As for the Panthers, it is possible their OL was in more shambles than ours. That, mixed with no CMC and Darnold looking like butt cheeks, allowed that to feel easy, although they were only 1 score down still in the 3rd period. Not like we are healthy though so, eh. Robby Anderson had a couple of key drops to help the defense too. I agree with most of your takes. DG will should be "Tom Coughlin"ed, retire. And if its Abrams next, more pain. KC game at a perfect time. Backup QB. I actually think they need to study how they stopped the KC offense, which was playing the safeties deep and not getting beat deep the whole game. Make em go underneath and make the tackles. Not expecting a win, but wasn't vs NO or Car either. 4-6 wins sounds about right. Mahomes passed protocols and will be there on Monday. The key for the Giants will be pressure Mahomes has looked mortal at times, his OL isn't as good as it was not even close, If the chiefs scheme up solid protection for him it will be tough night I trust Reid and his staff will do everything possible to keep the rush away they haven't won at Arrow head yet this year, and 3-5 could spell the end of their playoff hopes . |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 25, 2021 13:19:01 GMT -5
Ill take the W, since they are rare. We won convincingly, which is even more rare. Once a year if that? As for the Panthers, it is possible their OL was in more shambles than ours. That, mixed with no CMC and Darnold looking like butt cheeks, allowed that to feel easy, although they were only 1 score down still in the 3rd period. Not like we are healthy though so, eh. Robby Anderson had a couple of key drops to help the defense too. I agree with most of your takes. DG will should be "Tom Coughlin"ed, retire. And if its Abrams next, more pain. KC game at a perfect time. Backup QB. I actually think they need to study how they stopped the KC offense, which was playing the safeties deep and not getting beat deep the whole game. Make em go underneath and make the tackles. Not expecting a win, but wasn't vs NO or Car either. 4-6 wins sounds about right. Mahomes passed protocols and will be there on Monday. His looked worse than DJs, and DJ passed protocols as well, and then played like he was drunk the next game. |
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 25, 2021 13:29:00 GMT -5
Let me make more sense of the OP's post......
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To dismiss this win as "a game we should have won" is blind fervor. Perhaps you haven't watched many Giants games as of late. There are NO "should wins" on our schedule. Every game will be tough to win, so let's take a moment to enjoy the one's we DO manage to win.
If that one handed catch doesn't prove to you that DJ is our franchise QB, then I don't know what else to tell you. He is finally lifting the team and making other players look good. There was no way this team was going to lose after that.
Big kudos to the defense. It only took you 7 games. I hope this carries over.
BUT FORGET EVERYTHING I JUST SAID, BECAUSE..........
I am not optimistic for the rest of the season. 4-6 wins is about all I can comfortably predict without lying to myself. That said, I think Dave retires at the end of the season no matter what the record is. Abrams gets the nod for at least a year and Judge & Jones get one more year to get it together. If it still doesn't improve, then we blow it up.
Anyway, that's my take as worthless as it is.
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Post by SG88 on Oct 25, 2021 13:48:46 GMT -5
Mahomes passed protocols and will be there on Monday. His looked worse than DJs, and DJ passed protocols as well, and then played like he was drunk the next game. That's fair. IMO, the Rams were going to beat down the Giants regardless. Any predictions on next week's game yet? |
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Post by FBomb on Oct 25, 2021 14:05:49 GMT -5
Let me make more sense of the OP's post...... .........
To dismiss this win as "a game we should have won" is blind fervor. Perhaps you haven't watched many Giants games as of late. There are NO "should wins" on our schedule. Every game will be tough to win, so let's take a moment to enjoy the one's we DO manage to win.
If that one handed catch doesn't prove to you that DJ is our franchise QB, then I don't know what else to tell you. He is finally lifting the team and making other players look good. There was no way this team was going to lose after that.
Big kudos to the defense. It only took you 7 games. I hope this carries over.
BUT FORGET EVERYTHING I JUST SAID, BECAUSE..........
I am not optimistic for the rest of the season. 4-6 wins is about all I can comfortably predict without lying to myself. That said, I think Dave retires at the end of the season no matter what the record is. Abrams gets the nod for at least a year and Judge & Jones get one more year to get it together. If it still doesn't improve, then we blow it up. Anyway, that's my take as worthless as it is. How does that even remotely make my points make MORE sense?? It absolutely did not change anything about what I posted. Maybe you dumbed it down for the people that have a hard time both enjoying a win and staying realistic?? IDK. Is it because I didn't just hate on them for beating a bad team? I don't understand your goal here. |
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Post by McCherry on Oct 25, 2021 14:41:22 GMT -5
They weren't on our boards You're in the Giants war room? Cool! Again, it’s no secret that Shurmur was not high on Allen. Did you see Jackson mentioned anywhere as a second overall prospect? This isn't hard to figure out. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 25, 2021 14:47:45 GMT -5
Did you watch that game? Did you see the way Sam Darnold played? You think they could have beaten ANY NFL team yesterday? As bad as Gettlemen was in 2018, as many bad buttons as he pushed, he was definitely right about passing on Darnold. Give him time, he'll be in the HOF with the other three before it's all said and done. And even the one no virtually no expert picked to be an early first round pick will be probably be there. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 25, 2021 14:53:35 GMT -5
As he was definitely wrong by passing on Jackson and Allen.. Didn't go with Rosen so he was 50% right.. Yeah!
Shurmur didn't like Allen, so that was never going to happen. And everyone passed on Jackson, he was never going to be an option for us. Jackson was never discussed with the other 4. He was the outlier that year, although looking now you can probably still see the white out on everyone's mock sheets. Normally, this would be one of those situations where the cliché "sometimes the moves you don't make are the best ones" would apply, but Gettelman picked a RB, so he doesn't deserve those kudos either. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 25, 2021 14:56:35 GMT -5
Shurmur didn't like Allen, so that was never going to happen. And everyone passed on Jackson, he was never going to be an option for us. Jackson wouldn't have been half the player his is now if he were on the Giants. The Giants would have needed to set up a field hospital if Jackson was running behind this Oline. Plus, the Giants don't even have creative coaches to utilize Jackson's ability. Or Allen for that matter. Where the QB goes is crucial to his early career development and performance. |
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Post by OrangeGiant on Oct 25, 2021 14:57:50 GMT -5
Let me make more sense of the OP's post...... .........
To dismiss this win as "a game we should have won" is blind fervor. Perhaps you haven't watched many Giants games as of late. There are NO "should wins" on our schedule. Every game will be tough to win, so let's take a moment to enjoy the one's we DO manage to win.
If that one handed catch doesn't prove to you that DJ is our franchise QB, then I don't know what else to tell you. He is finally lifting the team and making other players look good. There was no way this team was going to lose after that.
Big kudos to the defense. It only took you 7 games. I hope this carries over.
BUT FORGET EVERYTHING I JUST SAID, BECAUSE..........
I am not optimistic for the rest of the season. 4-6 wins is about all I can comfortably predict without lying to myself. That said, I think Dave retires at the end of the season no matter what the record is. Abrams gets the nod for at least a year and Judge & Jones get one more year to get it together. If it still doesn't improve, then we blow it up. Anyway, that's my take as worthless as it is. It made sense to me the way it was...seemed pretty straightforward. |
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Post by jb456 on Oct 25, 2021 15:04:34 GMT -5
Jackson wouldn't have been half the player his is now if he were on the Giants. The Giants would have needed to set up a field hospital if Jackson was running behind this Oline. Plus, the Giants don't even have creative coaches to utilize Jackson's ability. Or Allen for that matter. Where the QB goes is crucial to his early career development and performance. 100% agree. Dallas developed Dak right. Dallas put Dak behind an iron curtain with a top 5 run game. Does anyone know how easy it is for a QB to manage a game when his team can run for first down on 3rd and 6? I've seen Dallas do this many times. It took me a while to come around to Dak but he is a really good, definitely top 10 but probably a few spots better. On the other hand, the Giants put Jones behind a consistently bad Oline, with bad weapons (until this year but they have been injured), bad Coordinators and a bad defense (2020 being the exception). I have said multiple times (even today) that I'm not 100% sold on Jones but when you consider what this kid has had to work with, it's actually amazing that we haven't been screaming bust at this point. |
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Post by McCherry on Oct 25, 2021 15:33:20 GMT -5
Shurmur didn't like Allen, so that was never going to happen. And everyone passed on Jackson, he was never going to be an option for us. Jackson was never discussed with the other 4. He was the outlier that year, although looking now you can probably still see the white out on everyone's mock sheets. Normally, this would be one of those situations where the cliché "sometimes the moves you don't make are the best ones" would apply, but Gettelman picked a RB, so he doesn't deserve those kudos either. I like the QB we ended up with. |
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