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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 25, 2021 15:41:59 GMT -5
Jackson was never discussed with the other 4. He was the outlier that year, although looking now you can probably still see the white out on everyone's mock sheets. Normally, this would be one of those situations where the cliché "sometimes the moves you don't make are the best ones" would apply, but Gettelman picked a RB, so he doesn't deserve those kudos either. I like the QB we ended up with. I like him too. But there's still a lot to be learned before we'll ever know if he can take the team to a championship.
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Post by TCHOF on Oct 25, 2021 15:46:37 GMT -5
Thanks. I guess that can be taken as a negative, but I'm not sure that Shurmur meant it like that. He was put sort of in a tough spot ... having to answer a question about how he evaluated a draft prospect when he was employed by another team.
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Post by thetruth on Oct 25, 2021 16:29:03 GMT -5
Thanks. I guess that can be taken as a negative, but I'm not sure that Shurmur meant it like that. He was put sort of in a tough spot ... having to answer a question about how he evaluated a draft prospect when he was employed by another team. and to be fair. Josh had tons of issues on his college tape.
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 25, 2021 16:43:08 GMT -5
Again, it’s no secret that Shurmur was not high on Allen. Did you see Jackson mentioned anywhere as a second overall prospect? This isn't hard to figure out. Again it's no secret that McAdoo wanted Mahomes... but that's always denied on forums out of convenience too. I actually saw a couple mocks that had the Browns taking Allen at #1.
But it's hardly relevant. What matters is the talent evaluation and team building philosophy of those making decisions for their teams.
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Post by jb456 on Oct 25, 2021 16:55:17 GMT -5
Again it's no secret that McAdoo wanted Mahomes... but that's always denied on forums out of convenience too. I actually saw a couple mocks that had the Browns taking Allen at #1.
But it's hardly relevant. What matters is the talent evaluation and team building philosophy of those making decisions for their teams.
Agreed. I also have no doubt that the Giants would have ruined some of the best QB's in the league had they ended up on this team. Who the hell knows if Mahomes would have been considered a top 5 QB had he ended up on the Giants. This team has had a consistently bad Oline for 10 years with little weapons and the weapons that they do draft get injured and diminish. OBJ is probably one of the if not the best WR the Giants ever had (Talent wise, not results) and he was constantly injured and didn't even make into year 2 of his Giants 2nd contract. Don't get me wrong, the guy is immensely talented but he was put in a good position to succeed with Kansas City. Hell, if Jones stinks for the rest of the year and the Giants end up with the top pick, I wouldn't want to be drafted by this team if I were a QB. Hell no. Bad supporting cast, bad Oline, bad coaching. This could end up being a team where QB's go to die...
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Post by imgrate on Oct 25, 2021 16:57:18 GMT -5
Again it's no secret that McAdoo wanted Mahomes... but that's always denied on forums out of convenience too. I actually saw a couple mocks that had the Browns taking Allen at #1.
But it's hardly relevant. What matters is the talent evaluation and team building philosophy of those making decisions for their teams.
Exactly. There were two quarterbacks taken after us, but still in the first round that have turned into top 5 players at their position. I reject this notion of "well we didn't like this player" or "well most people here didn't want that player", because it is a bullshit cop out of the performance in the draft that year. These two players (Jackson and allen) were there for the taking, and they weren't some "holy crap, lucky" late round picks. NYG needed a QB and DG didn't take one because the team sucked at evaluating these two players.
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 25, 2021 17:15:39 GMT -5
I actually saw a couple mocks that had the Browns taking Allen at #1.
But it's hardly relevant. What matters is the talent evaluation and team building philosophy of those making decisions for their teams.
Exactly. There were two quarterbacks taken after us, but still in the first round that have turned into top 5 players at their position. I reject this notion of "well we didn't like this player" or "well most people here didn't want that player", because it is a bullshit cop out of the performance in the draft that year. These two players (Jackson and allen) were there for the taking, and they weren't some "holy crap, lucky" late round picks. NYG needed a QB and DG didn't take one because the team sucked at evaluating these two players. I've said it before (and yes hindsight is 20/20) Josh Allen in 2018 and then Josh Allen in 2019 would have been nice.
And the reason he didn't take a QB in 2018 is because...... "I know Eli won me two rings".
He thought Eli Manning was the QB of the future (and least short term future) for the NY Giants.
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Post by Fletch842 on Oct 25, 2021 19:26:53 GMT -5
Exactly. There were two quarterbacks taken after us, but still in the first round that have turned into top 5 players at their position. I reject this notion of "well we didn't like this player" or "well most people here didn't want that player", because it is a bullshit cop out of the performance in the draft that year. These two players (Jackson and allen) were there for the taking, and they weren't some "holy crap, lucky" late round picks. NYG needed a QB and DG didn't take one because the team sucked at evaluating these two players. I've said it before (and yes hindsight is 20/20) Josh Allen in 2018 and then Josh Allen in 2019 would have been nice.
And the reason he didn't take a QB in 2018 is because...... "I know Eli won me two rings".
He thought Eli Manning was the QB of the future (and least short term future) for the NY Giants.
And Saquon was touched by god himself
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Oct 25, 2021 19:50:32 GMT -5
The performance by Sam Darnold was one of the worst I have ever seen from an NFL QB. It was Eli, 2004 at Baltimore bad. The Panthers weren't beating anyone yesterday. Not sure what I take from that game. DJ can certainly make plays. It's never been in dispute. It was a convincing win. I have no idea what it says about our team. Let's see what happens against an angry KC team next week. Quick without looking it up who were the active receivers yesterday. Jones was sharp with the table scraps portion of the roster. I thought he was quite impressive. At least 4 of the incompletions were straight drops.
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Post by DandyDon on Oct 25, 2021 19:53:09 GMT -5
To dismiss this win as "a game we should have won" is blind fervor. Perhaps you haven't watched many Giants games as of late. There are NO "should wins" on our schedule. Every game will be tough to win, so let's take a moment to enjoy the one's we DO manage to win. If that one handed catch doesn't prove to you that DJ is our franchise QB, then I don't know what else to tell you. He is finally lifting the team and making other players look good. There was no way this team was going to lose after that. Big kudos to the defense. It only took you 7 games. I hope this carries over. I am not optimistic for the rest of the season. 4-6 wins is about all I can comfortably predict without lying to myself. That said, I think Dave retires at the end of the season no matter what the record is. Abrams gets the nod for at least a year and Judge & Jones get one more year to get it together. If it still doesn't improve, then we blow it up. Anyway, that's my take as worthless as it is. And since when is a 1-5 team "supposed" to beat a 3-3 team? A week ago, fans here were praising Rhule as some supreme head coach that we missed out on that had the Panthers "way ahead" of us. And don't forget how angry he was that we didn't match his ridiculous offer...
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Post by McCherry on Oct 25, 2021 20:26:41 GMT -5
And since when is a 1-5 team "supposed" to beat a 3-3 team? A week ago, fans here were praising Rhule as some supreme head coach that we missed out on that had the Panthers "way ahead" of us. And don't forget how angry he was that we didn't match his ridiculous offer... I thought that losing by 22 points was an odd form of revenge.
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Post by DandyDon on Oct 25, 2021 20:30:24 GMT -5
And don't forget how angry he was that we didn't match his ridiculous offer... I thought that losing by 22 points was an odd form of revenge. It was diabolical. He lost on purpose so he will be even angrier next time. This isn't over! 😉
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 25, 2021 20:43:02 GMT -5
I'll say this...I never got the "Rhule is doing a great job in Carolina" rap. They stunk last year...all year. And now they stink this year. His not coming here? Thank you very much.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Oct 25, 2021 20:50:44 GMT -5
I'll say this...I never got the "Rhule is doing a great job in Carolina" rap. They stunk last year...all year. And now they stink this year. His not coming here? Thank you very much. I mean it’s not like Judge is the bees knees. His bad football team beat another one yesterday. I love Mara choosing then to speak about what a keeper Judge is. We are still 2-5 Johnny. Dumb. Mara doing that was like the guy who excessively celebrates a TD when his team is down 30. 🤡
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 25, 2021 20:54:07 GMT -5
I'll say this...I never got the "Rhule is doing a great job in Carolina" rap. They stunk last year...all year. And now they stink this year. His not coming here? Thank you very much. I mean it’s not like Judge is the bees knees. His bad football team beat another one yesterday. I love Mara choosing then to speak about what a keeper Judge is. We are still 2-5 Johnny. Dumb. Mara doing that was like the guy who excessively celebrates a TD when his team is down 30. 🤡 At least we didn't give Joe a 7 year contract.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Oct 25, 2021 21:11:07 GMT -5
I mean it’s not like Judge is the bees knees. His bad football team beat another one yesterday. I love Mara choosing then to speak about what a keeper Judge is. We are still 2-5 Johnny. Dumb. Mara doing that was like the guy who excessively celebrates a TD when his team is down 30. 🤡 At least we didn't give Joe a 7 year contract. Excellent point.
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Post by DandyDon on Oct 25, 2021 21:34:33 GMT -5
At least we didn't give Joe a 7 year contract. Excellent point. . Yeah, 7 years and 60 million supposedly. Not sure how much is guaranteed. The other worst HC contact in recent history was Chuckie. Amazing how rich people get bamboozled just like anyone else.
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 25, 2021 21:45:06 GMT -5
. Yeah, 7 years and 60 million supposedly. Not sure how much is guaranteed. The other worst HC contact in recent history was Chuckie. Amazing how rich people get bamboozled just like anyone else. He's a coach. It's all guaranteed.
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Post by Jomo on Oct 26, 2021 6:52:55 GMT -5
Again it's no secret that McAdoo wanted Mahomes... but that's always denied on forums out of convenience too. I actually saw a couple mocks that had the Browns taking Allen at #1.
But it's hardly relevant. What matters is the talent evaluation and team building philosophy of those making decisions for their teams.
Now if our owner would just print this sentence and put it under his pillow at night.
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Post by mendy on Oct 26, 2021 6:59:47 GMT -5
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 26, 2021 8:52:06 GMT -5
The Giants made the playoffs, and won a playoff game in Bill's 2nd year.
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Post by snyder55 on Oct 26, 2021 9:24:45 GMT -5
Exactly. There were two quarterbacks taken after us, but still in the first round that have turned into top 5 players at their position. I reject this notion of "well we didn't like this player" or "well most people here didn't want that player", because it is a bullshit cop out of the performance in the draft that year. These two players (Jackson and allen) were there for the taking, and they weren't some "holy crap, lucky" late round picks. NYG needed a QB and DG didn't take one because the team sucked at evaluating these two players. I've said it before (and yes hindsight is 20/20) Josh Allen in 2018 and then Josh Allen in 2019 would have been nice.
And the reason he didn't take a QB in 2018 is because...... "I know Eli won me two rings".
He thought Eli Manning was the QB of the future (and least short term future) for the NY Giants.
the decision to try to squeeze more out of Eli set this franchise back for years and we're still paying the price...
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Oct 26, 2021 11:38:47 GMT -5
I've said it before (and yes hindsight is 20/20) Josh Allen in 2018 and then Josh Allen in 2019 would have been nice.
And the reason he didn't take a QB in 2018 is because...... "I know Eli won me two rings".
He thought Eli Manning was the QB of the future (and least short term future) for the NY Giants.
the decision to try to squeeze more out of Eli set this franchise back for years and we're still paying the price... I disagree, Eli needed a line. He always did. If he had one, we had a few more good years of him left. The decisions / poor drafting that eroded our offensive and eventually our defensive lines are what we are paying the price for.
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Post by mendy on Oct 26, 2021 11:44:21 GMT -5
The Giants made the playoffs, and won a playoff game in Bill's 2nd year. Pfffft facts. Who needs them? What fact did I get wrong ?
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Post by mendy on Oct 26, 2021 11:46:23 GMT -5
I've said it before (and yes hindsight is 20/20) Josh Allen in 2018 and then Josh Allen in 2019 would have been nice.
And the reason he didn't take a QB in 2018 is because...... "I know Eli won me two rings".
He thought Eli Manning was the QB of the future (and least short term future) for the NY Giants.
the decision to try to squeeze more out of Eli set this franchise back for years and we're still paying the price... No it didn't, years of not build a professional Offensive line is what you're still paying a price for.
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Oct 26, 2021 11:46:33 GMT -5
Pfffft facts. Who needs them? What fact did I get wrong ? I think it's more Art Stapleton comparing Judge and Parcell's record through 1.5 seasons without any context.
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