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Post by Jomo on Nov 23, 2021 18:55:54 GMT -5
Why hasn't JM adopted the Steeler model which has worked beautifully for almost 50 years?
Has anyone ever pondered that?
It can only underscore how delusional and ego obsessed JM is.
He has such little self awareness that he can't even model his own results against a best in class owner.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2021 19:00:54 GMT -5
Why hasn't JM adopted the Steeler model which has worked beautifully for almost 50 years? Has anyone ever pondered that? It can only underscore how delusional and ego obsessed JM is. He has such little self awareness that he can't even model his own results against a best in class owner. Hey, somebody’s gotta get Rooney her acting jobs. |
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Nov 23, 2021 19:06:51 GMT -5
#firemara
This should be included after any disgruntled post any Giants fan posts anywhere regarding this shitshow.
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Post by Jomo on Nov 23, 2021 19:07:10 GMT -5
Why hasn't JM adopted the Steeler model which has worked beautifully for almost 50 years? Has anyone ever pondered that? It can only underscore how delusional and ego obsessed JM is. He has such little self awareness that he can't even model his own results against a best in class owner. Hey, somebody’s gotta get Rooney her acting jobs. Yes but how can JM be so blind to the success of his ages long friend who operates from a model that is fundamentally (to put it mildly) different from his "leadership" and "governance" style. Steelers success is not a 3 or a 5 year phenomenon. It has been going on for 5 decades back to my days at Penn State. Thoughts beyond Rooney Mara?? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2021 19:12:53 GMT -5
Hey, somebody’s gotta get Rooney her acting jobs. Yes but how can JM be so blind to the success of his ages long friend who operates from a model that is fundamentally (to put it mildly) different from his "leadership" and "governance" style. Steelers success is not a 3 or a 5 year phenomenon. It has been going on for 5 decades back to my days at Penn State. Thoughts beyond Rooney Mara?? Well….that just tells me that some families aren’t as close as they appear to be. Catch my drift? It’s like you winning a million dollars and your brother asks you for half. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 23, 2021 19:18:04 GMT -5
#firemara This should be included after any disgruntled post any Giants fan posts anywhere regarding this shitshow. Can hashtags be seen on actual websites that aren't social media? |
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Post by Delicreep on Nov 23, 2021 19:46:28 GMT -5
Why hasn't JM adopted the Steeler model which has worked beautifully for almost 50 years? Has anyone ever pondered that? It can only underscore how delusional and ego obsessed JM is. He has such little self awareness that he can't even model his own results against a best in class owner. John Mara wakes up every day, has a sip of last nights beer, wipes day old Cheeto dust off his wifebeater T-shirt, wanders into his filthy living room and sees 2 Lombardy's he can claim as being under his leadership and guidance. I would very much like to believe that he would look at the current state of the team and see himself as a constant in that failure, but he wouldn't be the 1st CEO that blames everyone around him. |
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Post by cdngfan on Nov 23, 2021 19:55:33 GMT -5
Why hasn't JM adopted the Steeler model which has worked beautifully for almost 50 years? Has anyone ever pondered that? It can only underscore how delusional and ego obsessed JM is. He has such little self awareness that he can't even model his own results against a best in class owner. John Mara wakes up every day, has a sip of last nights beer, wipes day old Cheeto dust off his wifebeater T-shirt, wanders into his filthy living room and sees 2 Lombardy's he can claim as being under his leadership and guidance. I would very much like to believe that he would look at the current state of the team and see himself as a constant in that failure, but he wouldn't be the 1st CEO that blames everyone around him. Very very well said. Fans don’t want to hear this, but those trophies are a curse. They convince John he knows what he’s doing. When it’s clear to anyone that he doesn’t. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 23, 2021 20:08:38 GMT -5
Why hasn't JM adopted the Steeler model which has worked beautifully for almost 50 years? Has anyone ever pondered that? It can only underscore how delusional and ego obsessed JM is. He has such little self awareness that he can't even model his own results against a best in class owner. the Giants did their best Steelers impersonation while Wellington was still with us they envied the Steelers stability and tried their best to follow suit. Johnny boy lost it tho, the Steelers have great continuity in there front office the Giants tried to a fault to stay the course and it set them back longer, Steelers seem to always make the right moves when it comes to their decision makers. Thats where the Giants went off the tracks sometimes the answer isn't in your building and there is nothing wrong with going out side if necessary, the GM is in charge of keeping the heart of the franchise pumping screw that up stability or not your screwed thats what the Giants did. Bad drafts have put us on life support. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 23, 2021 20:12:16 GMT -5
Why hasn't JM adopted the Steeler model which has worked beautifully for almost 50 years? Has anyone ever pondered that? It can only underscore how delusional and ego obsessed JM is. He has such little self awareness that he can't even model his own results against a best in class owner. i think Johnny is desperately trying to be the Steelers and failing miserably. |
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Post by coughlinscorner on Nov 23, 2021 20:16:45 GMT -5
Why hasn't JM adopted the Steeler model which has worked beautifully for almost 50 years? Has anyone ever pondered that? It can only underscore how delusional and ego obsessed JM is. He has such little self awareness that he can't even model his own results against a best in class owner. i think Johnny is desperately trying to be the Steelers and failing miserably. They deluded themselves twice that they had their version of Mike Tomlin, a young coach who could be in place for a long time. 1st McAdoo and then Judge. They were horribly wrong both times. Problem is Mara can't figure out why. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 23, 2021 20:27:13 GMT -5
i think Johnny is desperately trying to be the Steelers and failing miserably. They deluded themselves twice that they had their version of Mike Tomlin, a young coach who could be in place for a long time. 1st McAdoo and then Judge. They were horribly wrong both times. Problem is Mara can't figure out why. Imo, the arrogant front office thought they were smarter than Coughlin started this. Reese, and i wish i could find it, became so arrogant he wanted to write a scouting report to share with the rest of the league on what to look for and how to draft. He then broadcasted to the league he would always opt for skill over linemen. Well, the drafts speak foe themselves followed by the arrogant front office stripping Coughlin of Gilbride. What a shame gems like Ruben Randle couldn’t figure out the offense and Barden couldn’t get off the line. Then came OBJ, who the hierarchy handled as poorly as they did Shockey and handed the reins to a young Mac. A kid who went 11-5 and was thrown to the Wolves. Good or bad, the roster stunk. Onto “the adult” Shumur, hired by this disaster of a GM named Gettleman and the rest is history. |
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Post by Blue Hulk on Nov 23, 2021 20:39:11 GMT -5
Because the Mara's are inbred..lol That's how deep the nepotism runs in their family. Even the bl-w jobs go to relatives.  I'll be here all weekend folks, 8-9pm at The Hard Rock Cafe |
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Post by coughlinscorner on Nov 23, 2021 20:52:32 GMT -5
They deluded themselves twice that they had their version of Mike Tomlin, a young coach who could be in place for a long time. 1st McAdoo and then Judge. They were horribly wrong both times. Problem is Mara can't figure out why. Imo, the arrogant front office thought they were smarter than Coughlin started this. Reese, and i wish i could find it, became so arrogant he wanted to write a scouting report to share with the rest of the league on what to look for and how to draft. He then broadcasted to the league he would always opt for skill over linemen. Well, the drafts speak foe themselves followed by the arrogant front office stripping Coughlin of Gilbride. What a shame gems like Ruben Randle couldn’t figure out the offense and Barden couldn’t get off the line. Then came OBJ, who the hierarchy handled as poorly as they did Shockey and handed the reins to a young Mac. A kid who went 11-5 and was thrown to the Wolves. Good or bad, the roster stunk. Onto “the adult” Shumur, hired by this disaster of a GM named Gettleman and the rest is history. Listen if you not for Tom Coughlin, Jerry Reese would have been out of job years before they finally got rid of him. Coughlin overachieved with the the talent given him for years, pulled 2 Lombardi trophies out of his hat and then was told the game passed him by. Laughable. If you really look at it their talent level post Ernie Acorosi has been below average to terrible for most of those 15 years. |
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Post by cdngfan on Nov 23, 2021 20:55:51 GMT -5
i think Johnny is desperately trying to be the Steelers and failing miserably. They deluded themselves twice that they had their version of Mike Tomlin, a young coach who could be in place for a long time. 1st McAdoo and then Judge. They were horribly wrong both times. Problem is Mara can't figure out why. Well said. He’s just going to “keep trying” instead of thinking “maybe I’m not the right guy to be making these decisions?” |
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 23, 2021 21:48:43 GMT -5
Imo, the arrogant front office thought they were smarter than Coughlin started this. Reese, and i wish i could find it, became so arrogant he wanted to write a scouting report to share with the rest of the league on what to look for and how to draft. He then broadcasted to the league he would always opt for skill over linemen. Well, the drafts speak foe themselves followed by the arrogant front office stripping Coughlin of Gilbride. What a shame gems like Ruben Randle couldn’t figure out the offense and Barden couldn’t get off the line. Then came OBJ, who the hierarchy handled as poorly as they did Shockey and handed the reins to a young Mac. A kid who went 11-5 and was thrown to the Wolves. Good or bad, the roster stunk. Onto “the adult” Shumur, hired by this disaster of a GM named Gettleman and the rest is history. Listen if you not for Tom Coughlin, Jerry Reese would have been out of job years before they finally got rid of him. Coughlin overachieved with the the talent given him for years, pulled 2 Lombardi trophies out of his hat and then was told the game passed him by. Laughable. If you really look at it their talent level post Ernie Acorosi has been below average to terrible for most of those 15 years. they had the foundation though. They had Eli in his prime and still enough pass rushers. Imo, that David Wilson, Randle draft killed them. Had they gone OL and followed up with replenishing the DL/pass rushers they would have been fine. That was a long time ago though. |
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 23, 2021 21:53:42 GMT -5
Imo, the arrogant front office thought they were smarter than Coughlin started this. Reese, and i wish i could find it, became so arrogant he wanted to write a scouting report to share with the rest of the league on what to look for and how to draft. He then broadcasted to the league he would always opt for skill over linemen. Well, the drafts speak foe themselves followed by the arrogant front office stripping Coughlin of Gilbride. What a shame gems like Ruben Randle couldn’t figure out the offense and Barden couldn’t get off the line. Then came OBJ, who the hierarchy handled as poorly as they did Shockey and handed the reins to a young Mac. A kid who went 11-5 and was thrown to the Wolves. Good or bad, the roster stunk. Onto “the adult” Shumur, hired by this disaster of a GM named Gettleman and the rest is history. Listen if you not for Tom Coughlin, Jerry Reese would have been out of job years before they finally got rid of him. Coughlin overachieved with the the talent given him for years, pulled 2 Lombardi trophies out of his hat and then was told the game passed him by. Laughable. If you really look at it their talent level post Ernie Acorosi has been below average to terrible for most of those 15 years. Amen brother |
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Post by Jomo on Nov 23, 2021 22:01:38 GMT -5
Why hasn't JM adopted the Steeler model which has worked beautifully for almost 50 years? Has anyone ever pondered that? It can only underscore how delusional and ego obsessed JM is. He has such little self awareness that he can't even model his own results against a best in class owner. i think Johnny is desperately trying to be the Steelers and failing miserably. I don't think he is desperately trying to be the Steelers. I have been watching them for 50 years and their owners stay totally clear of football operations. I agree with someone who said that our trophies are a curse because he believes he had a real hand in them. |
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Post by Jomo on Nov 23, 2021 22:03:44 GMT -5
They deluded themselves twice that they had their version of Mike Tomlin, a young coach who could be in place for a long time. 1st McAdoo and then Judge. They were horribly wrong both times. Problem is Mara can't figure out why. Well said. He’s just going to “keep trying” instead of thinking “maybe I’m not the right guy to be making these decisions?” He thinks, no, he does care BUT he doesn't know which way to turn or what levers to pull. He's a football enthusiast with lucky genes. He is not a CEO at his core and definitely not and NFL Franchise CEO other than in title. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 23, 2021 22:27:28 GMT -5
i think Johnny is desperately trying to be the Steelers and failing miserably. I don't think he is desperately trying to be the Steelers. I have been watching them for 50 years and their owners stay totally clear of football operations. I agree with someone who said that our trophies are a curse because he believes he had a real hand in them. Johnny has often mentioned the Steelers stability. It’s the reason i believe he’s gone young and upon hiring thinks this coach will last for a decade. Sadly, few can make it past two years. |
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Post by SG88 on Nov 23, 2021 23:20:24 GMT -5
Why hasn't JM adopted the Steeler model which has worked beautifully for almost 50 years? Has anyone ever pondered that? It can only underscore how delusional and ego obsessed JM is. He has such little self awareness that he can't even model his own results against a best in class owner. The Giants are the wish version of the Pittsburgh Steelers. |
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Post by cdngfan on Nov 24, 2021 7:19:37 GMT -5
Well said. He’s just going to “keep trying” instead of thinking “maybe I’m not the right guy to be making these decisions?” He thinks, no, he does care BUT he doesn't know which way to turn or what levers to pull. He's a football enthusiast with lucky genes. He is not a CEO at his core and definitely not and NFL Franchise CEO other than in title. I’m glad you made that clarifying point. I buckle when I hear fans say he doesn’t care. I think he absolutely cares and is tortured by the performance of the team. But you nailed it. He’s not a good leader. He doesn’t seem to have the makeup of someone who cares about winning more than anything, which means his ego gets in the way of decisions. He doesn’t know what he doesn’t know and someone in that role can’t have that massive a blind spot and succeed. |
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Post by Delicreep on Nov 24, 2021 7:30:21 GMT -5
i think Johnny is desperately trying to be the Steelers and failing miserably. They deluded themselves twice that they had their version of Mike Tomlin, a young coach who could be in place for a long time. 1st McAdoo and then Judge. They were horribly wrong both times. Problem is Mara can't figure out why. I’m actually not totally down on Judge. It’s hard to argue that they don’t play hard for him; that they haven’t quit on him. I have this nagging feeling Garrett was “forced” on him. |
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Post by piddy283 on Nov 24, 2021 7:30:57 GMT -5
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Post by cdngfan on Nov 24, 2021 7:57:36 GMT -5
They deluded themselves twice that they had their version of Mike Tomlin, a young coach who could be in place for a long time. 1st McAdoo and then Judge. They were horribly wrong both times. Problem is Mara can't figure out why. I’m actually not totally down on Judge. It’s hard to argue that they don’t play hard for him; that they haven’t quit on him. I have this nagging feeling Garrett was “forced” on him. Yep. I think they’ll fire him and get some version of him as a replacement. It’s the pattern right now. |
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Post by wtfjjk on Nov 24, 2021 8:52:35 GMT -5
Why hasn't JM adopted the Steeler model which has worked beautifully for almost 50 years? Has anyone ever pondered that? It can only underscore how delusional and ego obsessed JM is. He has such little self awareness that he can't even model his own results against a best in class owner. I have been asking this as well. I mean, they gotta be talking shop at the Thanksgiving table no? And the Rooneys gotta be making suggestions. Is Mara just not listening? There are a lot of brains he could pick at the exec level or hire from the Steelers org. |
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Post by jmike on Nov 24, 2021 9:11:55 GMT -5
Why hasn't JM adopted the Steeler model which has worked beautifully for almost 50 years? Has anyone ever pondered that? It can only underscore how delusional and ego obsessed JM is. He has such little self awareness that he can't even model his own results against a best in class owner. Which is why I have said for a while that if the Giants want to replace Mara's role on the team (as they should) maybe asking the Rooneys to find the right person for the job. Since I do not trust the Giants ownership to find the right person even if they decide to make the right decision and replace Mara in his football operations role. |
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Post by jmike on Nov 24, 2021 9:14:40 GMT -5
Yes but how can JM be so blind to the success of his ages long friend who operates from a model that is fundamentally (to put it mildly) different from his "leadership" and "governance" style. Steelers success is not a 3 or a 5 year phenomenon. It has been going on for 5 decades back to my days at Penn State. Thoughts beyond Rooney Mara?? Well….that just tells me that some families aren’t as close as they appear to be. Catch my drift? It’s like you winning a million dollars and your brother asks you for half. IDK, if I won a million dollars; I'd give my sister half. Found money and all; so why not share it with loved ones. |
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Post by Jomo on Nov 24, 2021 9:34:34 GMT -5
He thinks, no, he does care BUT he doesn't know which way to turn or what levers to pull. He's a football enthusiast with lucky genes. He is not a CEO at his core and definitely not and NFL Franchise CEO other than in title. I’m glad you made that clarifying point. I buckle when I hear fans say he doesn’t care. I think he absolutely cares and is tortured by the performance of the team. But you nailed it. He’s not a good leader. He doesn’t seem to have the makeup of someone who cares about winning more than anything, which means his ego gets in the way of decisions. He doesn’t know what he doesn’t know and someone in that role can’t have that massive a blind spot and succeed. Yes, poor managers make decisions with their heart, with familiarity, and totally fall apart on strategy. What skills are missing in this organization that are present in other winning organizations> Where can I find those skills etc. He approaches this from a position of benevolence and thinks that it will carry the day. It won't, it also doesn't allow him to identify himself as a big part of the problem, perhaps the root cause of our woes. |
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Post by te88 on Nov 24, 2021 9:46:30 GMT -5
The big thing is the personnel department. The Steelers run circles around the Giants. When you have solid scouts and an approach to player evaluation that has consistently changed with the times you get the Steelers. This framework provides the solid foundation needed to support coaching staffs - which allows you to give them time. Hence the Steelers have had very few coaching changes.
They give their coaches good players consistently year in and year out. You never hear about who the Steelers GM is/was. The whole org just knows what they’re doing in that regard. That is a huge weight off your coaches’ shoulders.
They’re polar opposites as franchises. The Steelers base fundamentals as a football operation are what allow them to succeed the way they do. The Giants base fundamentals are the source of ALL their problems.
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