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Post by hogmollies on Nov 27, 2021 4:49:37 GMT -5
If he plays poorly next week - "He's just getting used to Freddie's system, give him time."
If he plays poorly the next week - "Toney and others are still injured, we need to see him at full strength. How can we judge him with one of the worst WR's corps in the league?"
If he plays poorly the week after "The defense played awful and we had to play catch up forcing him to rush. The defense knew we had to pass and our Oline couldn't give him anytime. Also Judge is doing an awful job playing to his strengths"
If he plays poorly the week after - "Saquon needs to help him more. He just isn't the same guy and if we had a better pass block RB it'd be different. Why are we running so much anyway? Let's see Daniel rip it!"
If they win the next game - "Well this proves it. He beat our divisional rival the WFT again. He's definitely the guy at QB I told you all"
If they lose the next game - "Did you see him against the WFT? We just need to sign 2 more offensive line in the draft and we'll know for sure what we have with DJ. Games are won in the trenches"
If they lose the next game - "I knew Judge was horrible. Fire him, get a REAL OC not Freddie, and DJ gets one more year to show us who he really is. The new GM can decide after a year of evaluation"
We win the last game - "DJ with his back against the wall showed us exactly what he can do. He has the intangibles that no other QB has. Plus the draft class is weak. He definitely gets another year"
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For me? There are no more excuses. He needs to show up starting this week otherwise I'm ready to move on. Never believed in this guy from the jump.
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Post by Fletch842 on Nov 27, 2021 7:41:48 GMT -5
If you read the boards here, most are done with excuses as well. There are a few blind supporters, like everything.
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Post by FBomb on Nov 27, 2021 8:08:00 GMT -5
Thank goodness someone started a DJ excuses thread. I never thought we'd make it to 10,000. Good job everyone.
No excuses. Step up or step out.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 27, 2021 8:13:24 GMT -5
Thank goodness someone started a DJ excuses thread. I never thought we'd make it to 10,000. Good job everyone. No excuses. Step up or step out. Need a "Everthing DJ" section like we did for Eli. |
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Post by vinnie on Nov 27, 2021 8:22:44 GMT -5
I was on the fence until after the Tampa game where his old habits came right back. I don’t care if he has 2-3 great games in a row, so do back,up QB’s. In the long run he’s nothing but an inconsistent borderline back up scrub. I’m sick of all the excuses. Granted, he was never put in a position to succeed but he hasn’t shown he’s the answer either with his poor decision making, staring down receivers, lack of pocket awareness, etc.
Done with the guy, he should get a capital L tattoos on his forehead. NY fans knew what they were doing when they booed his ass after throwing out the first pitch of the Yankees game and when he was drafted. Funny how thousands (or even millions) of people could see what a chode this guy would be in the NFL but not the smug Dave Gettleman or Mara.
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Post by GameTime on Nov 27, 2021 8:44:20 GMT -5
No excuses...
He had legit reason why he is/was struggling. Some of those reasons are his own some are on the team, coaches and organization around him.
With that said he has shown enough for me to finally admit he wont be a a good consistent NFL QB. His biggest issues are now he seems to be in panic mode and he doesnt see the field nearly well enough. Too bad because when he can focus and find the right receiver he's pretty accurate. he has skills he just can put them together and be consistent.
Good back up tho
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Post by Delicreep on Nov 27, 2021 8:49:16 GMT -5
…am I just missing all the threads about how great Jones is?
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Post by mendy on Nov 27, 2021 8:58:33 GMT -5
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Nov 27, 2021 10:13:35 GMT -5
I didn't like the pick of Jones at #6 either I wanted Josh Allen the DE. But I was rooting for Jones to be the guy. I thought this season he could step up. But all 3 of the guys we were counting on as our playmakers can't stay on the field. Saquon, Goloday, and Toney haven't come close to what I was expecting/hoping.
The whole damn offense is in flux. There is not a single part of the offense that is consistent. Hell I was complaining that we couldn't score more than 2 TD's a game now were lucky if we score 1 TD a game.
I was thinking Jones could be a Kirk Cousins but that seems too high of a goal at this point. Jones is not the answer he isn't even a good game mgr. But I'm for keeping him next year, rookie salary, don't want to give up draft capital for another QB.
Build the team and then we drop in the QB.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Nov 27, 2021 10:19:59 GMT -5
He has valid excuses. 6 -7 combination of oline starters for 1.
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 27, 2021 10:33:34 GMT -5
Thank goodness someone started a DJ excuses thread. I never thought we'd make it to 10,000. Good job everyone. No excuses. Step up or step out. Need a "Everthing DJ" section like we did for Eli. We already have one. It’s called Fantasy football.. because, it’s a fantasy to think we can win with him. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 27, 2021 10:37:10 GMT -5
I was on the fence until after the Tampa game where his old habits came right back. seeing a lot of backup QB habits. Going run and lower my shoulder. Poor throw, i’m battling and we’ll get them next time look. Kent Graham/Dave Brown kinda look imo. Seven big games to prove himself although we might be headed towards QB hell. Go with Jones? Draft a maybe? Bring in a Jared Goff type? |
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 27, 2021 10:39:40 GMT -5
He has valid excuses. 6 -7 combination of oline starters for 1. Your fly is showing.. You wouldn’t say the same thing if Eli was put in the same situation. Daniel Jones has so many excuses, that he now has became an excuse. |
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Post by SG88 on Nov 27, 2021 11:29:06 GMT -5
If you know this fanbase, every explanation in the book is used to defend poor play of the quarterback. The posts defending Eli from 2012- the end of his career to now have basically been copied and pasted in defending Jones. Ya know, these:
1) The oline
2) Receivers running the wrong routes
3) Not enough "weapons"
4) Poor coaching
5) Bad play calling
6) no running game
What we need to realize is that it isn't either or with this offense. The entire operation is a mess. Blow the thing up and totally start from scratch. That is the only solution. When my hairline started relocating to the back of my head and a big bald spot continued to increase in size at the top of my head, I started shaving my head. I didn't hope for my hair to start growing back.
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Post by SG88 on Nov 27, 2021 11:40:37 GMT -5
If you read the boards here, most are done with excuses as well. There are a few blind supporters, like everything. For me, I came into this season with some high hopes for Jones. On paper, things looked to be trending way up. A 2nd season with the coaching staff in tact, way better receivers, a better oline, and a trending defense. Jones has pretty much stayed in neutral. He is simply a backup QB. He looked good against WFT and was phenomenal against the Saints. Other than that, he has not been any good. Inconsistency is why starting QBs ultimately end up being back ups. QBs like Mitch Trubisky and Sam Darnold also put up a great game from time to time. One got traded prior to his 4th year and the other was not even brought back for his 5th year. I see Jones' fate being either of those. |
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Nov 27, 2021 12:00:44 GMT -5
He has valid excuses. 6 -7 combination of oline starters for 1. Your fly is showing.. You wouldn’t say the same thing if Eli was put in the same situation. Daniel Jones has so many excuses, that he now has became an excuse. well first eli had richburg and pugh which fans took for granted. Next he was a 16 year vet. I did always say he needed a RT. Reese failed to get him one. I never said losing was all Elis fault he was just declining and part of the problem. |
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Post by hogmollies on Nov 27, 2021 14:28:17 GMT -5
If you know this fanbase, every explanation in the book is used to defend poor play of the quarterback. The posts defending Eli from 2012- the end of his career to now have basically been copied and pasted in defending Jones. Ya know, these: 1) The oline 2) Receivers running the wrong routes 3) Not enough "weapons" 4) Poor coaching 5) Bad play calling 6) no running game What we need to realize is that it isn't either or with this offense. The entire operation is a mess. Blow the thing up and totally start from scratch. That is the only solution. When my hairline started relocating to the back of my head and a big bald spot continued to increase in size at the top of my head, I started shaving my head. I didn't hope for my hair to start growing back. At least Eli had a proven track record and 2 SB wins to do it. Jones has done nothing to lead his team to wins and elevate the game of those around him. |
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Post by GameTime on Nov 27, 2021 15:36:58 GMT -5
Eli's career has zero to do with any comparisons to Jones.
Eli played 16 seasons. Jones hasnt even finished 3 yet. Maybe you want to compare Eli's first three years but even that doesn't really matter.
Jones is what he is and at the moment that is a just a QB who has skills, the occasional good games but everything else has been just ehh.
He has become part of the problem at this stage of his NYG career.
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Post by FBomb on Nov 27, 2021 15:55:09 GMT -5
Eli's career has zero to do with any comparisons to Jones. Eli played 16 seasons. Jones hasnt even finished 3 yet. Maybe you want to compare Eli's first three years but even that doesn't really matter. Jones is what he is and at the moment that is a just a QB who has skills, the occasional good games but everything else has been just ehh. He has become part of the problem at this stage of his NYG career. The word that best describes Jones to this point is "ineffective". Something you would never want your franchise QB to be called. But he is. He has 7 games with a new playcaller(s). Let's see if they turn him loose now. Live or die, DJ. |
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Post by katcavage75 on Nov 27, 2021 15:59:43 GMT -5
I was on the fence until after the Tampa game where his old habits came right back. seeing a lot of backup QB habits. Going run and lower my shoulder. Poor throw, i’m battling and we’ll get them next time look. Kent Graham/Dave Brown kinda look imo.
Seven big games to prove himself although we might be headed towards QB hell. Go with Jones? Draft a maybe? Bring in a Jared Goff type? Well that's the kiss of death (in red). Too bad that's the reality. I was really rooting for him. But a franchise QB needs to elevate the performance of his teammates. The only acceptable grade is wins. Losers give explanations. Winners never have to explain themselves. Attn: NYGs - Please don't embarrass yourselves on Michael Strahan Day. Go Giants. |
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Post by babybulls on Nov 27, 2021 16:29:07 GMT -5
At least Eli had a proven track record and 2 SB wins to do it. Jones has done nothing to lead his team to wins and elevate the game of those around him. Jones once threw for 400 yards and was named Pepsi Player of the Week. [b Maybe he should stay at a Holiday Inn Express tonight. |
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Nov 27, 2021 16:40:41 GMT -5
We dont know judges full potential till we get the right Gm and Coaches in here.
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Post by GameTime on Nov 27, 2021 18:37:31 GMT -5
Eli's career has zero to do with any comparisons to Jones. Eli played 16 seasons. Jones hasnt even finished 3 yet. Maybe you want to compare Eli's first three years but even that doesn't really matter. Jones is what he is and at the moment that is a just a QB who has skills, the occasional good games but everything else has been just ehh. He has become part of the problem at this stage of his NYG career. The word that best describes Jones to this point is "ineffective". Something you would never want your franchise QB to be called. But he is. He has 7 games with a new playcaller(s). Let's see if they turn him loose now. Live or die, DJ. not sure he can redeem himself at this point. He'd have to be on fire for the rest of the season starting tomorrow. Unlikley |
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Post by babybulls on Nov 27, 2021 19:28:51 GMT -5
We dont know judges full potential till we get the right Gm and Coaches in here. Judge’s potential? |
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Post by kerryisdaman on Nov 27, 2021 21:42:36 GMT -5
Lets put DJ aside for a second. Please tell me all the offensive players besides Andrew Thomas that have played good for starter level this season.
Any offensive linemen?
Any running backs?
Any tight ends?
Any receivers?
Play callers?
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Post by hogmollies on Nov 27, 2021 22:43:58 GMT -5
The word that best describes Jones to this point is "ineffective". Something you would never want your franchise QB to be called. But he is. He has 7 games with a new playcaller(s). Let's see if they turn him loose now. Live or die, DJ. not sure he can redeem himself at this point. He'd have to be on fire for the rest of the season starting tomorrow. Unlikley He could throw for 200 yards, 1 Td 2 interceptions and win the game 17-14 and (some) Giants fans will be going wild over him. |
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Post by hogmollies on Nov 27, 2021 22:45:49 GMT -5
Eli's career has zero to do with any comparisons to Jones. Eli played 16 seasons. Jones hasnt even finished 3 yet. Maybe you want to compare Eli's first three years but even that doesn't really matter. Jones is what he is and at the moment that is a just a QB who has skills, the occasional good games but everything else has been just ehh. He has become part of the problem at this stage of his NYG career. The real mistake was benching Eli a year two soon and letting DJ develop for a while as Eli was the better QB even at that stage of his career. We would stay more competitive and worst case scenario get an even better draft position. |
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Post by dvision on Nov 27, 2021 22:49:41 GMT -5
I feel like this coaching staff has ruined Jones... he looked better working with Shurmur
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Post by ocgiant on Nov 27, 2021 23:38:02 GMT -5
You did not watch the game last week?
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Post by krappdetector on Nov 28, 2021 1:48:17 GMT -5
Mac Jones had a poor Oline also, which has improved lately.
But he has developed quickly into an effective and poised QB that clearly is getting better each week and making the new Pats look ever more like the old Pats.
How many excuses ya think Bill Belichick make before moving on from those who play poorly?
Watch Bret Kollman's evaluation of their Jones, but don't be surprised if you need Pepto Bismol to quell the nausea that will follow.
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