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Post by hogmollies on Nov 28, 2021 2:37:47 GMT -5
we could have got Justin Herbert, Mac jones, Justin fields... instead of reaching for some scrub because Gettleman liked his 1 drive at the senior bowl. Sigh. Even Tua looks better and who is he friggin throwing to?
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Post by hogmollies on Nov 28, 2021 2:38:12 GMT -5
I feel like this coaching staff has ruined Jones... he looked better working with Shurmur also ya know... scouting
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Post by bigbluebandit on Nov 28, 2021 6:21:23 GMT -5
I don't think people are realistic in their assessment of this offensive line.
Nate Solder gets put on his ass 4 or 5 times a game. Will Hernandez loses a third of his 1 on 1 blocks. Our Center blocks air regularly. Our LG... is 'ok' and would be a great interior swing guard as a backup. Our LT is a top 10 LT and is our only good spot.
There is NO QB in the entire NFL maybe not even the history of this game that will succeed behind this line. If you insert Peyton Manning or Rodgers in their respective primes behind these lines. We might average 3 more points per game.
I am not excusing Jones bad play, but I am so confused how Pat Shurmur with worse weapons and a similar line carved out an at least middle of the pack offense with over a 3rd of his cap DEAD.
I know injuries aren't an excuse and I know we have had different lines almost every week and I know our WRs are banged up.... but the misues of our tight ends and backs.... the misuse of our QB. IS CRIMINAL.
I may be wrong but I hope schematically we at least resemble an NFL offense by the end of this year.
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Post by Parademon1 on Nov 28, 2021 7:28:45 GMT -5
There are no great QBs in the upcoming draft, we have DJ on contract till end of next yr, Just give him the rest of this yr & next & if there is no improvement, cut him loose & either draft or sign a vet QB for 23' season. Fix the trenches via draft/FA next yr & let's see if that helps him or not.
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Post by GameTime on Nov 28, 2021 7:50:55 GMT -5
Eli's career has zero to do with any comparisons to Jones. Eli played 16 seasons. Jones hasnt even finished 3 yet. Maybe you want to compare Eli's first three years but even that doesn't really matter. Jones is what he is and at the moment that is a just a QB who has skills, the occasional good games but everything else has been just ehh. He has become part of the problem at this stage of his NYG career. The real mistake was benching Eli a year two soon and letting DJ develop for a while as Eli was the better QB even at that stage of his career. We would stay more competitive and worst case scenario get an even better draft position. nah....Eli was done. Of course Eli was the better QB but he was done.
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Post by GameTime on Nov 28, 2021 7:53:07 GMT -5
not sure he can redeem himself at this point. He'd have to be on fire for the rest of the season starting tomorrow. Unlikley He could throw for 200 yards, 1 Td 2 interceptions and win the game 17-14 and (some) Giants fans will be going wild over him. ah no
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Post by vinnie on Nov 28, 2021 8:40:30 GMT -5
I was on the fence until after the Tampa game where his old habits came right back. seeing a lot of backup QB habits. Going run and lower my shoulder. Poor throw, i’m battling and we’ll get them next time look. Kent Graham/Dave Brown kinda look imo. Seven big games to prove himself although we might be headed towards QB hell. Go with Jones? Draft a maybe? Bring in a Jared Goff type? Unfortunately I think we’re stuck with him for another year or two but this team won’t even be playoff caliber next year so we can do what DG should have done the first time and get the rest of the team in place over the next couple years and then draft a QB who will be set up for success from the get go.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 28, 2021 10:13:27 GMT -5
seeing a lot of backup QB habits. Going run and lower my shoulder. Poor throw, i’m battling and we’ll get them next time look. Kent Graham/Dave Brown kinda look imo. Seven big games to prove himself although we might be headed towards QB hell. Go with Jones? Draft a maybe? Bring in a Jared Goff type? Unfortunately I think we’re stuck with him for another year or two but this team won’t even be playoff caliber next year so we can do what DG should have done the first time and get the rest of the team in place over the next couple years and then draft a QB who will be set up for success from the get go. i think we’re stuck with him too. Depending on where these draft slots land, would be nice to go with an OT/G and pass rusher. Although it is so temping to go back to back OL or back to back defenders imo.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 10:16:21 GMT -5
Unfortunately I think we’re stuck with him for another year or two but this team won’t even be playoff caliber next year so we can do what DG should have done the first time and get the rest of the team in place over the next couple years and then draft a QB who will be set up for success from the get go. i think we’re stuck with him too. Depending on where these draft slots land, would be nice to go with an OT/G and pass rusher. Although it is so temping to go back to back OL or back to back defenders imo. There is a center that's being promoted like Nelson was.. Gates at guard is fine with me but some have said this is two year injury for him..
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 28, 2021 10:30:53 GMT -5
i think we’re stuck with him too. Depending on where these draft slots land, would be nice to go with an OT/G and pass rusher. Although it is so temping to go back to back OL or back to back defenders imo. There is a center that's being promoted like Nelson was.. Gates at guard is fine with me but some have said this is two year injury for him.. Linderbaum Kid is legit.. We can't wait for Gates at all...in fact and this might be hard to swallow I think he have to bring Price back as a 1 year stop gap/backup type in case we can't get Linderbaum and Gates is a 2 year injury
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 28, 2021 10:35:39 GMT -5
i think we’re stuck with him too. Depending on where these draft slots land, would be nice to go with an OT/G and pass rusher. Although it is so temping to go back to back OL or back to back defenders imo. There is a center that's being promoted like Nelson was.. Gates at guard is fine with me but some have said this is two year injury for him.. oh yeah, i like him yet was/am concerned about his longevity at his size. There was an article a while back, mentioned stats but never provided them, that center has the shortest careers. I figure at his size he might not last as long vs these huge NFL linemen. Also feel he’s not interchangeable whereas these other linemen are (G/T). Of course, i mentioned that elsewhere and the response was a emotionally comical as those who defended Barkley.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 10:39:58 GMT -5
There is a center that's being promoted like Nelson was.. Gates at guard is fine with me but some have said this is two year injury for him.. Linderbaum Kid is legit.. We can't wait for Gates at all...in fact and this might be hard to swallow I think he have to bring Price back as a 1 year stop gap/backup type in case we can't get Linderbaum and Gates is a 2 year injury Thanks for helping out with this..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 10:41:44 GMT -5
There is a center that's being promoted like Nelson was.. Gates at guard is fine with me but some have said this is two year injury for him.. oh yeah, i like him yet was/am concerned about his longevity at his size. There was an article a while back, mentioned stats but never provided them, that center has the shortest careers. I figure at his size he might not last as long vs these huge NFL linemen. Also feel he’s not interchangeable whereas these other linemen are (G/T). Of course, i mentioned that elsewhere and the response was a emotionally comical as those who defended Barkley. I think it's important for them to be interchangeable.. I defer to GL for college prospects so I have no idea about size until the combine. Thanks for the info.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 28, 2021 10:55:11 GMT -5
oh yeah, i like him yet was/am concerned about his longevity at his size. There was an article a while back, mentioned stats but never provided them, that center has the shortest careers. I figure at his size he might not last as long vs these huge NFL linemen. Also feel he’s not interchangeable whereas these other linemen are (G/T). Of course, i mentioned that elsewhere and the response was a emotionally comical as those who defended Barkley. I think it's important for them to be interchangeable.. I defer to GL for college prospects so I have no idea about size until the combine. Thanks for the info.
lol, he doesn’t know. not the article i was thinking of but focuses on it. Great to get one but will they last? They take such a beating. Said for years i felt Richburg was a real tough kid yet maxed out at 300lbs, i felt it hurt him. This kid is probably south of his listed 290lbs. Great player but i have concerns long term. www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2019/01/28/ap-analysis-nfl-centers-seeing-shorter-career-longevity/38965465/
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 11:02:06 GMT -5
I think it's important for them to be interchangeable.. I defer to GL for college prospects so I have no idea about size until the combine. Thanks for the info.
lol, he doesn’t know. He's been a great source for me..
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 28, 2021 11:06:47 GMT -5
He's been a great source for me.. scroll up please - i edited. Imo, a lot of these guys check out mocks and read the updates. They don’t watch the games until late in the season if at all. As late as yesterday Ojabo was discovered . . . now he’s repeated as often as Fredo
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Post by GameTime on Nov 28, 2021 11:10:15 GMT -5
I feel like this coaching staff has ruined Jones... he looked better working with Shurmur ehh...maybe not the best coaches for sure but Jones misses open receivers reads all the time. He doesnt see the field well. That issue is all on him.
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Post by vinnie on Nov 28, 2021 11:35:17 GMT -5
Unfortunately I think we’re stuck with him for another year or two but this team won’t even be playoff caliber next year so we can do what DG should have done the first time and get the rest of the team in place over the next couple years and then draft a QB who will be set up for success from the get go. i think we’re stuck with him too. Depending on where these draft slots land, would be nice to go with an OT/G and pass rusher. Although it is so temping to go back to back OL or back to back defenders imo. Same thought but I would prefer OL. We definitely need Edge but we our entire offense is f’ed without an O line and right now the only one I have any confidence in is Thomas and that’s if he can even stay on the field. Gettimg Gates back would be nice and fill one of the guard spots but who knows how he’ll be after the injury. That leaves C, G and RT. Unbelievable we’re even in this position.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Nov 28, 2021 11:41:46 GMT -5
This team is not winning many games until both lines are good but especially the oline that I feel is the worst in the NFL.
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Post by SG88 on Nov 28, 2021 11:55:54 GMT -5
He could throw for 200 yards, 1 Td 2 interceptions and win the game 17-14 and (some) Giants fans will be going wild over him. ah no I'm in agreement with that. If we were winning way more games, I certainly wouldn't be tripping. Unfortunately, we are a dumpster fire and the worst team of the last 4 years. Winning percentage is one of the stats that are kept for a QB, regardless of how unfair that is in a team game.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 28, 2021 11:56:05 GMT -5
i think we’re stuck with him too. Depending on where these draft slots land, would be nice to go with an OT/G and pass rusher. Although it is so temping to go back to back OL or back to back defenders imo. Same thought but I would prefer OL. We definitely need Edge but we our entire offense is f’ed without an O line and right now the only one I have any confidence in is Thomas and that’s if he can even stay on the field. Gettimg Gates back would be nice and fill one of the guard spots but who knows how he’ll be after the injury. That leaves C, G and RT. Unbelievable we’re even in this position. i thought maybe Lemiuex could slide to center. Although that might be a lot to ask missing a season. I do think a solid Guard will be there in Round 2. Possible to go ORT in Round 1 and an Edge followed by the Guard in Round 2. Maybe Peart can slide inside or visa/versa. As previously mentioned, the center Linderbaum is good but he’s only a center. Not sure any of the front is settled so interchangeable players is a must IMO.
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Post by jb456 on Nov 28, 2021 12:12:48 GMT -5
I feel like this coaching staff has ruined Jones... he looked better working with Shurmur ehh...maybe not the best coaches for sure but Jones misses open receivers reads all the time. He doesnt see the field well. That issue is all on him. He just seems to be a 1 or 2 read QB. This could have partially been trained in him due his crappy Olines, inability to progress or both. Unfortunately, he may be ruined at this point or is what he is. Either way, he doesn't inspire confidence in the future....
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 28, 2021 12:24:39 GMT -5
ehh...maybe not the best coaches for sure but Jones misses open receivers reads all the time. He doesnt see the field well. That issue is all on him. He just seems to be a 1 or 2 read QB. This could have partially been trained in him due his crappy Olines, inability to progress or both. Unfortunately, he may be ruined at this point or is what he is. Either way, he doesn't inspire confidence in the future.... This is what we need to find out .. 7 games this year and probably 17 next year... Wouldn't be the first qb that was castrated by a very restricted coaching staff.. And like you said not a very long list of qbs that rebounded that were in bad situations (Brees probably is the best example,though Dak looks different without Garrett around as he used to be a one/2 read qb )
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Post by McCherry on Nov 28, 2021 12:47:24 GMT -5
He just seems to be a 1 or 2 read QB. This could have partially been trained in him due his crappy Olines, inability to progress or both. Unfortunately, he may be ruined at this point or is what he is. Either way, he doesn't inspire confidence in the future.... This is what we need to find out .. 7 games this year and probably 17 next year... Wouldn't be the first qb that was castrated by a very restricted coaching staff.. And like you said not a very long list of qbs that rebounded that were in bad situations (Brees probably is the best example,though Dak looks different without Garrett around as he used to be a one/2 read qb ) Jones is in the same exact spot as he was last after that Bucs game. We gave him the final 7, and he showed some confidence that he was the guy at least for another year. He needs to do the same now, and with no Garrett he has no excuses. Scoring has to increase.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 28, 2021 12:57:02 GMT -5
He's been a great source for me.. Lol at this guy..... aris made him look foolish yesterday.. Aris is one of the real O line gurus around here and we are in agreement about Linderbaum Yeah is is small weight wise (290),but he is shockingly low fat % for 290 Guy is a wrestling champ(an incredible trait to have for an O lineman)
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Post by dvision on Nov 28, 2021 15:44:56 GMT -5
I feel like this coaching staff has ruined Jones... he looked better working with Shurmur ehh...maybe not the best coaches for sure but Jones misses open receivers reads all the time. He doesnt see the field well. That issue is all on him. That has nothing to do with what I was saying but ok... he's a 3rd year QB that has had poor coaching and has been in a garbage offense for 2 of those years. I think he'd be in a better place if Garrett and Co. never got their hands on him
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Post by lexington11 on Nov 28, 2021 16:05:36 GMT -5
If you read the boards here, most are done with excuses as well. There are a few blind supporters, like everything. yeah but the real fans who understand the game see the big picture. Who cares what arm chair gm’s think.
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Post by lexington11 on Nov 28, 2021 16:06:53 GMT -5
Mac Jones had a poor Oline also, which has improved lately. But he has developed quickly into an effective and poised QB that clearly is getting better each week and making the new Pats look ever more like the old Pats. How many excuses ya think Bill Belichick make before moving on from those who play poorly? Watch Bret Kollman's evaluation of their Jones, but don't be surprised if you need Pepto Bismol to quell the nausea that will follow. jones would be in the same position in New England. You can’t even compare the situations.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 28, 2021 16:08:36 GMT -5
He's been a great source for me.. Lol at this guy..... aris made him look foolish yesterday.. Aris is one of the real O line gurus around here and we are in agreement about Linderbaum Yeah is is small weight wise (290),but he is shockingly low fat % for 290 Guy is a wrestling champ(an incredible trait to have for an O lineman) Charlatan
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Post by GameTime on Nov 28, 2021 16:31:45 GMT -5
ehh...maybe not the best coaches for sure but Jones misses open receivers reads all the time. He doesnt see the field well. That issue is all on him. That has nothing to do with what I was saying but ok... he's a 3rd year QB that has had poor coaching and has been in a garbage offense for 2 of those years. I think he'd be in a better place if Garrett and Co. never got their hands on him pointing out that one of his major flaws may not have anything to do with coaching at all Either way he is has been underwhelming this season. I like Jones a lot ans was fully confident he was going to make big strides this season.
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