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Post by hogmollies on Nov 29, 2021 1:09:06 GMT -5
Mac Jones had a poor Oline also, which has improved lately. But he has developed quickly into an effective and poised QB that clearly is getting better each week and making the new Pats look ever more like the old Pats. How many excuses ya think Bill Belichick make before moving on from those who play poorly? Watch Bret Kollman's evaluation of their Jones, but don't be surprised if you need Pepto Bismol to quell the nausea that will follow. jones would be in the same position in New England. You can’t even compare the situations. Bill B wouldn't have even drafted Daniel Jones in the first 2 rounds. If we had Mac Jones, we'd be in the playoffs right now.
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Post by hogmollies on Nov 30, 2021 18:21:53 GMT -5
"He was playing hurt to end the year! We need to see him at full strength next season, impossible to judge him from 3 years of starting"
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Post by GameTime on Nov 30, 2021 18:48:36 GMT -5
"He was playing hurt to end the year! We need to see him at full strength next season, impossible to judge him from 3 years of starting" how is is status TBD already? Team hasnt even practiced this week yet.
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Post by hogmollies on Nov 30, 2021 18:56:03 GMT -5
"He was playing hurt to end the year! We need to see him at full strength next season, impossible to judge him from 3 years of starting" how is is status TBD already? Team hasnt even practiced this week yet. they just updated it and now he's basically out and Glennon is starting LOL.
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Post by GameTime on Nov 30, 2021 18:58:19 GMT -5
how is is status TBD already? Team hasnt even practiced this week yet. they just updated it and now he's basically out and Glennon is starting LOL. "who" updated? "sources"? lol
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Post by hogmollies on Nov 30, 2021 19:28:34 GMT -5
they just updated it and now he's basically out and Glennon is starting LOL. "who" updated? "sources"? lol yes
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Post by GameTime on Nov 30, 2021 19:44:00 GMT -5
"who" updated? "sources"? lol yes I'll wait until the team announces it.
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Post by te88 on Nov 30, 2021 21:44:15 GMT -5
"He was playing hurt to end the year! We need to see him at full strength next season, impossible to judge him from 3 years of starting" how is is status TBD already? Team hasnt even practiced this week yet. He’s toast and the Giants are enacting all their BS face-saving protocols to cover for as long as they can.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Dec 1, 2021 15:29:38 GMT -5
Danny has already missed more games than eli did his entire career...LMAO
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Post by hogmollies on Dec 1, 2021 18:27:03 GMT -5
Danny has already missed more games than eli did his entire career...LMAO probably the biggest bust we've drafted since David Wilson in terms of pick value.
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Post by jaymas on Dec 1, 2021 19:08:32 GMT -5
Danny has already missed more games than eli did his entire career...LMAO Well he would have only had to miss one game to pass that threshold...so not sure if this is the best way to describe it.
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Post by hogmollies on Dec 1, 2021 19:16:41 GMT -5
dont have the stats, but what other starting QB's have missed more games in the last 3 years than DJ? I'm sure some have had season ending injuries, but can't recall one who is just so consistently injured year after year. Pathetic.
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 1, 2021 19:18:37 GMT -5
It’s a matter of running out of time with that 5th year option more than excuses imo.
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Post by GameTime on Dec 1, 2021 20:57:45 GMT -5
no excuses for Jones. Never was .
reasons.....are valid and different than excuses.
His own struggles and injuries....valid reasons The roster performance and major injuries around him.....valid reasons The change of coaches and offense.....valid reasons
The kid came into a tough situation as most high draft picked QBs do. So far he has not been able to get over the hump and establish himself as the future.
The situation he is in is what it is .
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Post by cruzsoldier on Dec 3, 2021 0:29:53 GMT -5
If he plays poorly next week - "He's just getting used to Freddie's system, give him time." If he plays poorly the next week - "Toney and others are still injured, we need to see him at full strength. How can we judge him with one of the worst WR's corps in the league?" If he plays poorly the week after "The defense played awful and we had to play catch up forcing him to rush. The defense knew we had to pass and our Oline couldn't give him anytime. Also Judge is doing an awful job playing to his strengths" If he plays poorly the week after - "Saquon needs to help him more. He just isn't the same guy and if we had a better pass block RB it'd be different. Why are we running so much anyway? Let's see Daniel rip it!" If they win the next game - "Well this proves it. He beat our divisional rival the WFT again. He's definitely the guy at QB I told you all" If they lose the next game - "Did you see him against the WFT? We just need to sign 2 more offensive line in the draft and we'll know for sure what we have with DJ. Games are won in the trenches" If they lose the next game - "I knew Judge was horrible. Fire him, get a REAL OC not Freddie, and DJ gets one more year to show us who he really is. The new GM can decide after a year of evaluation" We win the last game - "DJ with his back against the wall showed us exactly what he can do. He has the intangibles that no other QB has. Plus the draft class is weak. He definitely gets another year" -- For me? There are no more excuses. He needs to show up starting this week otherwise I'm ready to move on. Never believed in this guy from the jump. This sounds exactly like the excuses we made with the last 3 years of WASHED ELI.... He sucked yet will still kept force feeding ELI as a "Good Quarterback" meanwhile he should have retired 3 years before he did he really hurt this team just as much as MARA, REESE and GETTLEMEN.
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Post by myronguyton on Dec 3, 2021 13:12:17 GMT -5
I was on the fence until after the Tampa game where his old habits came right back. I don’t care if he has 2-3 great games in a row, so do back,up QB’s. In the long run he’s nothing but an inconsistent borderline back up scrub. I’m sick of all the excuses. Granted, he was never put in a position to succeed but he hasn’t shown he’s the answer either with his poor decision making, staring down receivers, lack of pocket awareness, etc. Done with the guy, he should get a capital L tattoos on his forehead. NY fans knew what they were doing when they booed his ass after throwing out the first pitch of the Yankees game and when he was drafted. Funny how thousands (or even millions) of people could see what a chode this guy would be in the NFL but not the smug Dave Gettleman or Mara. Jeeze. That second paragraph is a bit harsh. I think we can agree that he hasn't done enough to sell us as being the franchise qb1, but no need to ridicule the man. I like Jones, and he seems to do and say all the right things. It's not his fault he's not great. That doesn't mean I think the Giants should keep him around if he's not getting it done, but we dont have to throw dirt on him while kicking him out. He's not failing due to a lack of effort.
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Post by krappdetector on Dec 3, 2021 15:43:48 GMT -5
Mac Jones had a poor Oline also, which has improved lately. But he has developed quickly into an effective and poised QB that clearly is getting better each week and making the new Pats look ever more like the old Pats. How many excuses ya think Bill Belichick make before moving on from those who play poorly? Watch Bret Kollman's evaluation of their Jones, but don't be surprised if you need Pepto Bismol to quell the nausea that will follow. jones would be in the same position in New England. You can’t even compare the situations. Actually, yes, you can compare the two situations. But different folks will arrive at different conclusions. And I didn't mean to imply that the sole, or even the biggest reason the offenses are so different is due to the quarterbacks. Oh no, that is certainly not true.
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Post by cdngfan on Dec 3, 2021 15:50:39 GMT -5
no excuses for Jones. Never was . reasons.....are valid and different than excuses. His own struggles and injuries....valid reasons The roster performance and major injuries around him.....valid reasons The change of coaches and offense.....valid reasons The kid came into a tough situation as most high draft picked QBs do. So far he has not been able to get over the hump and establish himself as the future. The situation he is in is what it is . Perfectly said.
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Post by vinnie on Dec 3, 2021 17:00:37 GMT -5
I was on the fence until after the Tampa game where his old habits came right back. I don’t care if he has 2-3 great games in a row, so do back,up QB’s. In the long run he’s nothing but an inconsistent borderline back up scrub. I’m sick of all the excuses. Granted, he was never put in a position to succeed but he hasn’t shown he’s the answer either with his poor decision making, staring down receivers, lack of pocket awareness, etc. Done with the guy, he should get a capital L tattoos on his forehead. NY fans knew what they were doing when they booed his ass after throwing out the first pitch of the Yankees game and when he was drafted. Funny how thousands (or even millions) of people could see what a chode this guy would be in the NFL but not the smug Dave Gettleman or Mara. Jeeze. That second paragraph is a bit harsh. I think we can agree that he hasn't done enough to sell us as being the franchise qb1, but no need to ridicule the man. I like Jones, and he seems to do and say all the right things. It's not his fault he's not great. That doesn't mean I think the Giants should keep him around if he's not getting it done, but we dont have to throw dirt on him while kicking him out. He's not failing due to a lack of effort. Yeah, I know, and I kind of feel bad but damn, how long does it take to get it through his thick head not to take on defenders? Listen, I like the guys work ethic, his desire to win, his willingness to take hits but he needs to play smarter. He doesn’t do the rest of the team or himself any good sitting in the bench because he tried to get an extra yard or two. I don’t think DJ is the guy but I do publicly apologize to him for what I said, that was rough. Hopefully he proves me wrong but I’m sick of saying that after 3 years.
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Post by hogmollies on Dec 3, 2021 17:56:34 GMT -5
no excuses for Jones. Never was . reasons.....are valid and different than excuses. His own struggles and injuries....valid reasons The roster performance and major injuries around him.....valid reasons The change of coaches and offense.....valid reasons The kid came into a tough situation as most high draft picked QBs do. So far he has not been able to get over the hump and establish himself as the future. The situation he is in is what it is . heaven forbid a franchise QB come and actually elevate their game or of those around them at any point in 3 years. THREE YEARS. Never seen a player have so many "valid reasons" for not performing on any team before. Maybe just accept the player he is? Not good.
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Post by hogmollies on Dec 3, 2021 17:57:23 GMT -5
Jeeze. That second paragraph is a bit harsh. I think we can agree that he hasn't done enough to sell us as being the franchise qb1, but no need to ridicule the man. I like Jones, and he seems to do and say all the right things. It's not his fault he's not great. That doesn't mean I think the Giants should keep him around if he's not getting it done, but we dont have to throw dirt on him while kicking him out. He's not failing due to a lack of effort. Yeah, I know, and I kind of feel bad but damn, how long does it take to get it through his thick head not to take on defenders? Listen, I like the guys work ethic, his desire to win, his willingness to take hits but he needs to play smarter. He doesn’t do the rest of the team or himself any good sitting in the bench because he tried to get an extra yard or two. I don’t think DJ is the guy but I do publicly apologize to him for what I said, that was rough. Hopefully he proves me wrong but I’m sick of saying that after 3 years. You didn't say anything wrong.
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Post by mj312 on Dec 3, 2021 20:36:20 GMT -5
The biggest prob Jones has is that we judge him like he’s supposed to be this elite 6 pick and he was just never that guy .. picking Jones at 6 was gettlemans biggest mistake .. This kid was set up to fail from the beginning.. he’s trying to do too much and his always hurt . He seems like a solid guy and will prob be a good backup somewhere but he’s just way too unreliable.. Dave thought he was the smartest guy in the world with this pick but it’s not looking that way at all ..
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Post by GameTime on Dec 3, 2021 21:14:23 GMT -5
no excuses for Jones. Never was . reasons.....are valid and different than excuses. His own struggles and injuries....valid reasons The roster performance and major injuries around him.....valid reasons The change of coaches and offense.....valid reasons The kid came into a tough situation as most high draft picked QBs do. So far he has not been able to get over the hump and establish himself as the future. The situation he is in is what it is . heaven forbid a franchise QB come and actually elevate their game or of those around them at any point in 3 years. THREE YEARS. Never seen a player have so many "valid reasons" for not performing on any team before. Maybe just accept the player he is? Not good. never said he shouldn't be held accountable or that he just isnt an NFL starter quality QB whats your problem? Its like Jones is so bad to you that I cant evaluate his game. BTW there have been plenty of players for other 31 NFL teams that the fans dont want to out and out say they suck when discussing their game. To hold that just to some Giants and the Jones QB situation is skewed perspective. I wanted him to be the guy but its certainly looking like he isnt.
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Post by hogmollies on Dec 4, 2021 3:08:25 GMT -5
heaven forbid a franchise QB come and actually elevate their game or of those around them at any point in 3 years. THREE YEARS. Never seen a player have so many "valid reasons" for not performing on any team before. Maybe just accept the player he is? Not good. never said he shouldn't be held accountable or that he just isnt an NFL starter quality QB whats your problem? Its like Jones is so bad to you that I cant evaluate his game. BTW there have been plenty of players for other 31 NFL teams that the fans dont want to out and out say they suck when discussing their game. To hold that just to some Giants and the Jones QB situation is skewed perspective. I wanted him to be the guy but its certainly looking like he isnt. I don't have a problem! I can evaluate his game he's just not very good. I agree with your last point.
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Post by vinnie on Dec 4, 2021 10:03:16 GMT -5
Yeah, I know, and I kind of feel bad but damn, how long does it take to get it through his thick head not to take on defenders? Listen, I like the guys work ethic, his desire to win, his willingness to take hits but he needs to play smarter. He doesn’t do the rest of the team or himself any good sitting in the bench because he tried to get an extra yard or two. I don’t think DJ is the guy but I do publicly apologize to him for what I said, that was rough. Hopefully he proves me wrong but I’m sick of saying that after 3 years. You didn't say anything wrong. Eh, I did. I meant what I said about him being dumb trying to take on defenders and I don’t think he’s “the guy” but he does have a great work ethic and is trying his best. It doesn’t mean I won’t be critical but I was a little over the top with my original post about him. I really want the guy to work out and I understand he was put in a bad situation but he still makes too many of the same mistakes he did as a rookie and a lot of the time it has nothing to do with the O line or receivers.
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Post by hogmollies on Dec 4, 2021 22:20:19 GMT -5
You didn't say anything wrong. Eh, I did. I meant what I said about him being dumb trying to take on defenders and I don’t think he’s “the guy” but he does have a great work ethic and is trying his best. It doesn’t mean I won’t be critical but I was a little over the top with my original post about him. I really want the guy to work out and I understand he was put in a bad situation but he still makes too many of the same mistakes he did as a rookie and a lot of the time it has nothing to do with the O line or receivers. Nah, totally understandable. Daniel Jones record and stats are a capital L there's no denying it. He deserves to be booed for the fans who invested 3 years into this garbage player bc of Gettleman's dumb decisions. I'm sure many players have great work ethics to make it in the NFL, that doesn't change the fact fans can express their displeasure with his game. Nothing personal but he's been a total bust and everyone sees it. Look at our record since he's been here. Nothing over the top about your reaction.
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