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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 29, 2021 11:42:20 GMT -5
Judge is coaching for his job in these last few games. If Solder is out there instead of Peart, it’s because Peart looks worse than Solder in practice and in film. Which is damning indictment against Peart. They see them everyday we don't and they do this for a living still would rather see Peart tho.
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 29, 2021 11:45:29 GMT -5
Judge is coaching for his job in these last few games. If Solder is out there instead of Peart, it’s because Peart looks worse than Solder in practice and in film. Which is damning indictment against Peart. And against our talent evaluators (both in the FO and on the coaching staff), who passed up Slater in the draft because they thought that Peart was our RT of the future.
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 29, 2021 11:45:49 GMT -5
A stop sign would be better than Solder. The Giants invested a 3rd round pick with Peart, the least they can do is see what they have with him. This spot duty, and giving him a pitch count doesn’t work. We know what we have with Solder, a run down over the hill nice guy. If Peart is a bust, let’s see for ourselves before we make any further decisions. I think we’d definitely see Peart out there if Judge felt safe. He doesn’t, so it’s what do they look like today. There’s no doubt in my mind that Peart has 300% more upside, but I have the same level of confidence that Solder is better than Peart right now because Judge needs to win. They’re playing the best that they’ve got unfortunately. And I don’t buy into anyone (not you) suggesting they can’t evaluate performance. I know that’s coming with my comment. That’s because some people’s narratives that this is a coaching problem are getting shattered by watching this line play. So the last straw grasped for is “the back ups must be better than these guys”. Nope. This staff is in survival mode. This is as good as it gets with this roster. Solder playing says more about Peart then it does Nate. Regardless if Judge is coaching for his job, the best 11 players need to play. From all accounts, that seems to be Solder. We as fans see a speed bump in a jersey, but the Giants see the most viable option at tackle. When Peart is on the field in limited snaps, we see an up and down player. One series he’s good, the next he’s a disaster. Ironically, it’s the one position on the team Judge isn’t hesitant to make a change.
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Post by cdngfan on Nov 29, 2021 11:48:00 GMT -5
Judge is coaching for his job in these last few games. If Solder is out there instead of Peart, it’s because Peart looks worse than Solder in practice and in film. Which is damning indictment against Peart. They see them everyday we don't and they do this for a living still would rather see Peart tho. Well said. And same. This is the byproduct of firing coaches so often. I’m sure they’d give Peart more playing time if they had the job security of Pete Carroll or Mike Tomlin.
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Post by cdngfan on Nov 29, 2021 11:49:51 GMT -5
I think we’d definitely see Peart out there if Judge felt safe. He doesn’t, so it’s what do they look like today. There’s no doubt in my mind that Peart has 300% more upside, but I have the same level of confidence that Solder is better than Peart right now because Judge needs to win. They’re playing the best that they’ve got unfortunately. And I don’t buy into anyone (not you) suggesting they can’t evaluate performance. I know that’s coming with my comment. That’s because some people’s narratives that this is a coaching problem are getting shattered by watching this line play. So the last straw grasped for is “the back ups must be better than these guys”. Nope. This staff is in survival mode. This is as good as it gets with this roster. Solder playing says more about Peart then it does Nate. Regardless if Judge is coaching for his job, the best 11 players need to play. From all accounts, that seems to be Solder. We as fans see a speed bump in a jersey, but the Giants see the most viable option at tackle. When Peart is on the field in limited snaps, we see an up and down player. One series he’s good, the next he’s a disaster. Ironically, it’s the one position on the team Judge isn’t hesitant to make a change. Great comment.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Nov 29, 2021 14:25:31 GMT -5
They both are bad so the more expensive player gets the snaps. Solder is coming pretty cheap right now so that is not a valid reason. I swear I'm ready for Isiah Washington at this point.
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Post by giantsmets on Nov 29, 2021 16:24:57 GMT -5
They both are bad so the more expensive player gets the snaps. Solder is coming pretty cheap right now so that is not a valid reason. I swear I'm ready for Isiah Washington at this point. Wilson
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Post by GameTime on Nov 29, 2021 16:35:22 GMT -5
If Peart is really worse than Solder then cut his ass.
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Post by lt56 on Nov 29, 2021 16:37:18 GMT -5
I legit think they continue to play Solder out of respect for him honestly, I seriously doubt it is because he is better than Peart because he is not at least not at this point in his career
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Post by DandyDon on Nov 30, 2021 19:49:26 GMT -5
They see them everyday we don't and they do this for a living still would rather see Peart tho. Well said. And same. This is the byproduct of firing coaches so often. I’m sure they’d give Peart more playing time if they had the job security of Pete Carroll or Mike Tomlin. 100%. I'm sure they feel the best tactical decision is to play solder. But the better strategic decision would be to play Peart. Losing for years leads to decisions that make you lose for more years.
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Post by McCherry on Nov 30, 2021 20:13:25 GMT -5
Judge is coaching for his job in these last few games. If Solder is out there instead of Peart, it’s because Peart looks worse than Solder in practice and in film. Which is damning indictment against Peart. And against our talent evaluators (both in the FO and on the coaching staff), who passed up Slater in the draft because they thought that Peart was our RT of the future. I thought it was because they received a potentially very high first round pick to move back.
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Nov 30, 2021 20:49:30 GMT -5
A stop sign would be better than Solder. The Giants invested a 3rd round pick with Peart, the least they can do is see what they have with him. This spot duty, and giving him a pitch count doesn’t work. We know what we have with Solder, a run down over the hill nice guy. If Peart is a bust, let’s see for ourselves before we make any further decisions. I think we’d definitely see Peart out there if Judge felt safe. He doesn’t, so it’s what do they look like today. There’s no doubt in my mind that Peart has 300% more upside, but I have the same level of confidence that Solder is better than Peart right now because Judge needs to win. They’re playing the best that they’ve got unfortunately. And I don’t buy into anyone (not you) suggesting they can’t evaluate performance. I know that’s coming with my comment. That’s because some people’s narratives that this is a coaching problem are getting shattered by watching this line play. So the last straw grasped for is “the back ups must be better than these guys”. Nope. This staff is in survival mode. This is as good as it gets with this roster. Meh, I get the point there, but there are tons of examples of coaches, even good coaches, keeping better players on the pine simply because they "feel" more secure with another option. I mean, just think back to what had to occur in order for Victor Cruz to see the field. They needed to suffer a huge rash of injuries to other receivers and even played a guy off the streets before Cruz. It wasn't until they were forced to play him that they did, and voila, he helped the team get a SB.
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Post by te88 on Nov 30, 2021 21:41:53 GMT -5
You can rest assured that whatever the reason is for Solder starting it is likely idiotic.
You can’t give the Giants the benefit of the doubt. It is more likely they are making the wrong decision than the right one.
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Post by cdngfan on Dec 1, 2021 0:13:41 GMT -5
Well said. And same. This is the byproduct of firing coaches so often. I’m sure they’d give Peart more playing time if they had the job security of Pete Carroll or Mike Tomlin. 100%. I'm sure they feel the best tactical decision is to play solder. But the better strategic decision would be to play Peart. Losing for years leads to decisions that make you lose for more years. Bang on. Like you’re in my head.
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Post by hogmollies on Dec 1, 2021 0:24:31 GMT -5
They see them everyday we don't and they do this for a living still would rather see Peart tho. Well said. And same. This is the byproduct of firing coaches so often. I’m sure they’d give Peart more playing time if they had the job security of Pete Carroll or Mike Tomlin. Maybe if Judge was coaching better and not wasting timeouts every game he'd have more job security regardless of the team's record. This is an offense of selfish individuals, not a team. The coaches, players everyone just trying to get their next pay check with little regard for wins or losses.
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Post by Tyrell on Dec 1, 2021 13:30:07 GMT -5
I think part of the Giants problems for a while have been desperately hoping for the best from situations that just wont deliver, and theyre in denial. Solder is a good guy, but hes been awful; apparently the giants just pray that he'll deliver some of the performance he was capable of years ago when it just aint gonna happen. its like throwing screen passes over and over convinced their going to score a touchdown. my take, anyway.
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Post by McCherry on Dec 1, 2021 13:34:30 GMT -5
On the Giants rush podcast, they said a source who told them that Peart got in trouble last summer with bad practice habits. It's not really clear on the details, but he got himself in the doghouse.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 1, 2021 13:34:31 GMT -5
I think part of the Giants problems for a while have been desperately hoping for the best from situations that just wont deliver, and theyre in denial. Solder is a good guy, but hes been awful; apparently the giants just pray that he'll deliver some of the performance he was capable of years ago when it just aint gonna happen. its like throwing screen passes over and over convinced their going to score a touchdown. my take, anyway. I just don't know anymore. That end around where Slayton got crushed 14 yards behind the LOS ...all he has to do is strategically get in the way and Slayton gets an easy 10.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 1, 2021 13:35:02 GMT -5
On the Giants rush podcast, they said a source who told them that Peart got himself in trouble with bad practice habits. It's not really clear on the details, but he got himself in the doghouse. I've seen that around as well
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2021 13:53:36 GMT -5
On the Giants rush podcast, they said a source who told them that Peart got in trouble last summer with bad practice habits. It's not really clear on the details, but he got himself in the doghouse. Was that source a carpenter by any chance??
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Post by coughlinscorner on Dec 1, 2021 14:06:38 GMT -5
A stop sign would be better than Solder. The Giants invested a 3rd round pick with Peart, the least they can do is see what they have with him. This spot duty, and giving him a pitch count doesn’t work. We know what we have with Solder, a run down over the hill nice guy. If Peart is a bust, let’s see for ourselves before we make any further decisions. I think we’d definitely see Peart out there if Judge felt safe. He doesn’t, so it’s what do they look like today. There’s no doubt in my mind that Peart has 300% more upside, but I have the same level of confidence that Solder is better than Peart right now because Judge needs to win. They’re playing the best that they’ve got unfortunately. And I don’t buy into anyone (not you) suggesting they can’t evaluate performance. I know that’s coming with my comment. That’s because some people’s narratives that this is a coaching problem are getting shattered by watching this line play. So the last straw grasped for is “the back ups must be better than these guys”. Nope. This staff is in survival mode. This is as good as it gets with this roster. So let me understand. Because the O-line (which Judge by all accounts had input into who made the team the last 2 years) sucks, then criticizing the coaching is invalid. I know you don't mean that but that is what it sounds like with your comments.
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Post by cdngfan on Dec 1, 2021 16:47:41 GMT -5
I think we’d definitely see Peart out there if Judge felt safe. He doesn’t, so it’s what do they look like today. There’s no doubt in my mind that Peart has 300% more upside, but I have the same level of confidence that Solder is better than Peart right now because Judge needs to win. They’re playing the best that they’ve got unfortunately. And I don’t buy into anyone (not you) suggesting they can’t evaluate performance. I know that’s coming with my comment. That’s because some people’s narratives that this is a coaching problem are getting shattered by watching this line play. So the last straw grasped for is “the back ups must be better than these guys”. Nope. This staff is in survival mode. This is as good as it gets with this roster. So let me understand. Because the O-line (which Judge by all accounts had input into who made the team the last 2 years) sucks, then criticizing the coaching is invalid. I know you don't mean that but that is what it sounds like with your comments. I don’t like all or nothing thought processes. It’s what people do to simplify complex problems, and it usually doesn’t work. And I see too many fans fall into this mindset and I disagree with it. I think there’s plenty to criticize this coaching staff for. It’s obvious. So they don’t get a “pass” with me for their errors. Judge didn’t want to start the season with Thomas Skura Price Hernandez Solder as his o line. I don’t have a popular opinion on here. Just like franchise changing QBs are incredibly rare, I think franchise changing coaches are incredibly rare. And changing them out like socks doesn’t make them more likely to find. Again, it’s not that simple. As someone who has to attract talent in real life I know constantly hiring/firing people eventually degrades the quality of applicants. I’ve heard, repeatedly, that doing the same thing over and over while expecting a different result is the definition of insanity. Well, we’re about to change all our coaches out after 2 years for the third time in a row. So far changing coaches constantly isn’t working. At some point in time we’re going to have to give a staff the chance to last longer than 2 years even if they’re record doesn’t warrant it to see if continuity breaks this cycle. This revolving door isn’t working. Unless a staff loses a locker room (McAdoo), I wouldn’t give any HC less than 3 years of a 4 yr contact. To me it’s the bare minimum for the disruption of changing philosophies, talent acquisition, offensive/defensive systems. Firing coaches every 2 years isn’t trying to build a successful team. It’s a PR stunt. Judge sucks at managing the clock, penalty discipline, TO usage. I don’t have a Judge poster on my wall, I just have no confidence in the Mara’s choosing a great coach from a pool where great coaches are as common as Aaron Rodgers/Tom Brady.
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Post by lt56 on Dec 1, 2021 17:51:05 GMT -5
CONFIRMATION that Nate continues to play more so out of respect for him from Judges and other Coaches on this staff who are familiar with him from their days with the Patriots and NOT because he is actually better than Peart in any way...
this is a horrible decision because Nate is clearly not the longterm answer at Right Tackle, they're sticking with this man out of Sympathy basically instead of giving those Snaps and Reps to Peart so he can develop into our Right Tackle. Thought Peart was Decent at Left Tackle filling in for Thomas. Nate has not "Progressed" at Right Tackle that is complete BS!
agree with this Tweet 100%, Active Is Isaiah Wilson and give him some Reps at maybe Right Guard over Will Hernandez. That Right Side is AWFUL for the Giants, both guys look so soft and they both WHIFF or get Bull Rushed into the backfield...A LOT
Progression though right? Nate Solder was put on his ass despite having Help and getting a Chip Block from Booker
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 1, 2021 18:44:56 GMT -5
CONFIRMATION that Nate continues to play more so out of respect for him from Judges and other Coaches on this staff who are familiar with him from their days with the Patriots and NOT because he is actually better than Peart in any way... this is a horrible decision because Nate is clearly not the longterm answer at Right Tackle, they're sticking with this man out of Sympathy basically instead of giving those Snaps and Reps to Peart so he can develop into our Right Tackle. Thought Peart was Decent at Left Tackle filling in for Thomas. Nate has not "Progressed" at Right Tackle that is complete BS! agree with this Tweet 100%, Active Is Isaiah Wilson and give him some Reps at maybe Right Guard over Will Hernandez. That Right Side is AWFUL for the Giants, both guys look so soft and they both WHIFF or get Bull Rushed into the backfield...A LOT Progression though right? Nate Solder was put on his ass despite having Help and getting a Chip Block from Booker Oh the air ball block on JPP that was so bad that JPP stopped because he thought it was a trap or screen ....
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 1, 2021 19:24:29 GMT -5
Lot of speculation
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Post by vinnie on Dec 2, 2021 15:04:25 GMT -5
Another ringing endorsement about Peart from a coach. Don’t worry guys, I’m sure Sale will fix this, he just needs another year. He was drafted as a developmental player and some of you want miracles over night. Getty knows hog mollies and Same is the best O line coach we’ve had on years. I’m just relieved we can cross RT off the draft list next year.
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Post by Kase1 on Dec 2, 2021 15:19:32 GMT -5
he’s the latest “generational” safety. A 6’4 220lb rangy safety. Still a prospect who appears to have some very favorable traits. Not surprising, he’s perfect vs modern day offenses yet not a peep from those posing to be modern day experts. He's arguably the top prospect in the draft, maybe even over Thibodaux and Hutchinson. We wont have a chance to draft him and we have SO MANY positions of dire need, so drafting Hamilton would be a luxury
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Post by Kase1 on Dec 2, 2021 15:26:33 GMT -5
Dear Lord, I hope we can somehow wind up with Icky Ekwonu at RT after the upcoming draft.
The more I hear about Solder and Peart, the more I'm concerned that JJ is a total fool.
Ugh, just burn thus front office down, from the top down. I feel like we have a pretty talented roster (at least on defense) but just plain awful coaching
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 2, 2021 15:31:24 GMT -5
Yes
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Post by Jomo on Dec 2, 2021 19:54:44 GMT -5
I can't say that I have ever seen a worse RT than Solder (getting paid LT money btw)
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