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Post by McCherry on Dec 13, 2021 13:01:49 GMT -5
Ranaan did a QA last week and when someone asked about Chris Mara's role, he explained it like this. A few years back he was considered a rising star in the scouting world and did have a bigger voice in the organization, but since the collapse began, his role has been greatly marginalized. So his answer to the question about whether Chris Mara secretly running the organization is that it's false.
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Post by Roosevelt on Dec 13, 2021 13:14:52 GMT -5
I know "Fredo" is often the hot take scapegoat here (much like Garrett was) but Carl Banks was just on WFAN and was talking about Chris Mara. Banks was very elusive about his assessment, clearly not being able to discuss his sources or inside information, but he had this message for the fans who are calling for Chris Mara's head on a stake: "You don't know as much about Chris Mara's role and ability as you think you know." He did elaborate a bit more saying that Chris Mara is a highly intelligent football mind that is good at what he does. And that many franchises have reached out for him to be their personnel leader. The reasons we are left to speculate on Chris are obvious. He is above Gettleman in terms of hierarchy and in charge of player personnel while our personnel is substandard. There is also someone inside this organization who loves to feed the media. I cannot help but think Chris is that man.
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 13, 2021 13:17:33 GMT -5
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Post by Jomo on Dec 13, 2021 13:28:20 GMT -5
You see, this is what weak little "ceo's" do, they keep others around to distract from the core problem.
It helps Mara keep scrutiny away from him when people are looking at Chris Mara, DG, Garrett etal.
He has more choices to fire which make him look like he's doing something when he's really doing nothing.
He may not know it but we do. The problem is JM and the buck stops with him.
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Post by cdngfan on Dec 13, 2021 13:40:56 GMT -5
So if you’re a judge and you’re on a case where your neighbour is one of the lawyers on a case, you have to recuse yourself not because you’re incapable of being unbiased, it’s the appearance of bias.
Whatever Chris Mara’s influence is or not, it’s the appearance of the Mara’s and their family members that work in FO (family members that don’t have Mara as a last name) that’s the issue.
They keep hiring, firing, meddling in football decisions and the deserve to wear all of the criticism being leveled at Gettleman and Judge.
They’ve created the revolving doors at key positions.
They have to own that.
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Post by thetruth on Dec 13, 2021 13:51:29 GMT -5
I know "Fredo" is often the hot take scapegoat here (much like Garrett was) but Carl Banks was just on WFAN and was talking about Chris Mara. Banks was very elusive about his assessment, clearly not being able to discuss his sources or inside information, but he had this message for the fans who are calling for Chris Mara's head on a stake: "You don't know as much about Chris Mara's role and ability as you think you know." He did elaborate a bit more saying that Chris Mara is a highly intelligent football mind that is good at what he does. And that many franchises have reached out for him to be their personnel leader. Banks is a company man. I take his word with that in mind
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Post by thetruth on Dec 13, 2021 13:52:11 GMT -5
interesting. I wonder if this is good PR, or true.
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Post by te88 on Dec 13, 2021 13:52:23 GMT -5
Yes shifting into full blame Dave mode since he won’t be back. Then they can act like the problem has been dealt with. The usual moves.
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Post by SG88 on Dec 13, 2021 13:54:46 GMT -5
Banks is on their payroll. He would never single out a person on his paycheck. He would lose his job if he did.
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Post by SG88 on Dec 13, 2021 13:55:19 GMT -5
Yes shifting into full blame Dave mode since he won’t be back. Then they can act like the problem has been dealt with. The usual moves. They're just scapegoating as usual.
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Post by McCherry on Dec 13, 2021 15:06:00 GMT -5
I know "Fredo" is often the hot take scapegoat here (much like Garrett was) but Carl Banks was just on WFAN and was talking about Chris Mara. Banks was very elusive about his assessment, clearly not being able to discuss his sources or inside information, but he had this message for the fans who are calling for Chris Mara's head on a stake: "You don't know as much about Chris Mara's role and ability as you think you know." He did elaborate a bit more saying that Chris Mara is a highly intelligent football mind that is good at what he does. And that many franchises have reached out for him to be their personnel leader. The reasons we are left to speculate on Chris are obvious. He is above Gettleman in terms of hierarchy and in charge of player personnel while our personnel is substandard. There is also someone inside this organization who loves to feed the media. I cannot help but think Chris is that man. He is not above Gettleman. He is technically third behind Abrams in terms of structure. They should all go, but the Chris Mara 'Fredo" conspiracy is a pile of nonsense.
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Post by Roosevelt on Dec 13, 2021 15:39:16 GMT -5
The reasons we are left to speculate on Chris are obvious. He is above Gettleman in terms of hierarchy and in charge of player personnel while our personnel is substandard. There is also someone inside this organization who loves to feed the media. I cannot help but think Chris is that man. He is not above Gettleman. He is technically third behind Abrams in terms of structure. They should all go, but the Chris Mara 'Fredo" conspiracy is a pile of nonsense.
This is from the 2021 media guide.
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Post by PennState1 on Dec 13, 2021 15:43:05 GMT -5
Who cares! Just win
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Post by jb456 on Dec 13, 2021 15:43:54 GMT -5
I haven't been one of the more anti-Mara posters on this board but who hired DG and who decided to keep after the Shurmer debacle? This is how leadership works. If a CEO hires a CFO who messes the books up and starts stealing, than the CEO is responsible as well...
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Post by mendy on Dec 13, 2021 15:49:17 GMT -5
Which could all so include Abrams in that comment.
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Post by mendy on Dec 13, 2021 15:50:32 GMT -5
I haven't been one of the more anti-Mara posters on this board but who hired DG and who decided to keep after the Shurmer debacle? This is how leadership works. If a CEO hires a CFO who messes the books up and starts stealing, than the CEO is responsible as well... John Mara and Tisch Hired DG , not Chris Mara.
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 13, 2021 15:53:40 GMT -5
I’m calling bullshit. A Mara who happens to be a high ranking in the front office has no say in anything? Then I have to ask, what the hell does he do here then? Besides kiss his brothers ass, and clean his office.
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Post by mendy on Dec 13, 2021 15:54:05 GMT -5
Banks is on their payroll. He would never single out a person on his paycheck. He would lose his job if he did. No, Banks has never held criticism of the team back ,never. Some people last week were quoting him for speaking out, now he's a puppet because he is going against the Mob.
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Post by mendy on Dec 13, 2021 15:55:50 GMT -5
I’m calling bullshit. A Mara who happens to be a high ranking in the front office has no say in anything? Then I have to ask, what the hell does he do here then? Besides kiss his brothers ass, and clean his office. So you think it's "bullshit" in your words that when they hired DG they gave him total control ?
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Post by McCherry on Dec 13, 2021 15:57:36 GMT -5
He is not above Gettleman. He is technically third behind Abrams in terms of structure. They should all go, but the Chris Mara 'Fredo" conspiracy is a pile of nonsense.
This is from the 2021 media guide.
This does not mean that he ranks higher than the GM in the front office hierarchy, any more than it means Jonathan Tisch is dictating personnel decisions.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 13, 2021 16:00:30 GMT -5
I know "Fredo" is often the hot take scapegoat here (much like Garrett was) but Carl Banks was just on WFAN and was talking about Chris Mara. Banks was very elusive about his assessment, clearly not being able to discuss his sources or inside information, but he had this message for the fans who are calling for Chris Mara's head on a stake: "You don't know as much about Chris Mara's role and ability as you think you know." He did elaborate a bit more saying that Chris Mara is a highly intelligent football mind that is good at what he does. And that many franchises have reached out for him to be their personnel leader. I believe that could be the case, Banks isn't a homer he tells it like it is, If he is seen in that light in the scouting community then when they hire a GM and or head of football operations he will be retained.
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 13, 2021 16:03:05 GMT -5
I’m calling bullshit. A Mara who happens to be a high ranking in the front office has no say in anything? Then I have to ask, what the hell does he do here then? Besides kiss his brothers ass, and clean his office. So you think it's "bullshit" in your words that when they hired DG they gave him total control ? Who said that? I’m talking about Chris Mara. Dave Gettleman is the general manger, who has a lot of power with all player personal. But, that’s not the point.. We’re speaking about Chris Mara. I think it’s bullshit he has no say. Senior Vice President of player personal is not fancy words for a gofer. John Mara himself has been on record of saying Chris is very involved in the day to day operations of the team. We’re talking about a Mara, not some guy named Chris Smith.
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 13, 2021 16:08:29 GMT -5
I thought Fredo was fired from CNN.
Giant wise, the drafts, the FA signings, etc have built the roster into what it is.
Last offseason there was debate about how good or bad this team was. So let it be written . . . .
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Post by jb456 on Dec 13, 2021 16:08:50 GMT -5
I haven't been one of the more anti-Mara posters on this board but who hired DG and who decided to keep after the Shurmer debacle? This is how leadership works. If a CEO hires a CFO who messes the books up and starts stealing, than the CEO is responsible as well... John Mara and Tisch Hired DG , not Chris Mara. If that's the case, then this post holds. Do we know that for a fact? Please post a link if you have one.
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Post by McCherry on Dec 13, 2021 16:09:43 GMT -5
So you think it's "bullshit" in your words that when they hired DG they gave him total control ? Who said that? I’m talking about Chris Mara. Dave Gettleman is the general manger, who has a lot of power with all player personal. But, that’s not the point.. We’re speaking about Chris Mara. I think it’s bullshit he has no say. Senior Vice President of player personal is not fancy words for a gofer. John Mara himself has been on record of saying Chris is very involved in the day to day operations of the team. We’re talking about a Mara, not some guy named Chris Smith. I don't think anyone is claiming that. Senior Vice President of Player Personnel on any team has a lot of say. But Chris Mara is not secretly running the entire team.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 13, 2021 16:11:09 GMT -5
So you think it's "bullshit" in your words that when they hired DG they gave him total control ? Who said that? I’m talking about Chris Mara. Dave Gettleman is the general manger, who has a lot of power with all player personal. But, that’s not the point.. We’re speaking about Chris Mara. I think it’s bullshit he has no say. Senior Vice President of player personal is not fancy words for a gofer. John Mara himself has been on record of saying Chris is very involved in the day to day operations of the team. We’re talking about a Mara, not some guy named Chris Smith. Again Hired 2011 Team shifts into band aid mode the following offseason and starts the rapid demise of this organization,with inexplicable bad decision followed by #bad decision.. 2 GMs 4 coaches later we are worse than ever. One constant
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 13, 2021 16:13:17 GMT -5
Who said that? I’m talking about Chris Mara. Dave Gettleman is the general manger, who has a lot of power with all player personal. But, that’s not the point.. We’re speaking about Chris Mara. I think it’s bullshit he has no say. Senior Vice President of player personal is not fancy words for a gofer. John Mara himself has been on record of saying Chris is very involved in the day to day operations of the team. We’re talking about a Mara, not some guy named Chris Smith. I don't think anyone is claiming that. Senior Vice President of Player Personnel on any team has a lot of say. But Chris Mara is not secretly running the entire team. Seems some uniformed fans are perceiving that Gettleman is the be all here. When any fan knows this team is run by a collaborative effort. Dave will get the brunt of the blame for the failures of the team, and deservingly so. However, there are many men in the front office that are also to blame. They won’t get the axe, all because of their last name.
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Post by McCherry on Dec 13, 2021 16:20:58 GMT -5
I don't think anyone is claiming that. Senior Vice President of Player Personnel on any team has a lot of say. But Chris Mara is not secretly running the entire team. Seems some uniformed fans are perceiving that Gettleman is the be all here. When any fan knows this team is run by a collaborative effort. Dave will get the brunt of the blame for the failures of the team, and deservingly so. However, there are many men in the front office that are also to blame. They won’t get the axe, all because of their last name. Yep. You're right, it is a very collective effort here, with the coaches also being very involved. Judge is just as culpable for signing off on players like Peart, Carter, Ximines. Chris Mara will not get fired by his own family, but it is expected that he'll be relegated to a lesser, "title only" role.
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Post by Delicreep on Dec 13, 2021 16:39:05 GMT -5
How many idiot sons have a flashy titles, but zero actual responsibility or authority?
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Post by Roosevelt on Dec 13, 2021 16:47:03 GMT -5
This is from the 2021 media guide.
This does not mean that he ranks higher than the GM in the front office hierarchy, any more than it means Jonathan Tisch is dictating personnel decisions. Tisch is treasurer whereas player personnel is a directly related to football operations. Dave may indeed have final say on all personnel decisions, but having the president's brother in there sure seems to muddy the picture.
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