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Post by Kruunch on Dec 13, 2021 21:17:39 GMT -5
With all of those cuts, we’ll be eating dead money for the next century. Now saying that, to fix this cluster **** of a team. Drastic changes must be done. Meaning, cut all the dead weight and high priced busboys. And start from scratch again.. it would be pretty stupid they are all gonna be on the last year of their contracts next year in 2022, it is not necessary maybe see if the guys they signed this year can get healthy and stay that way in 2022 and build through the draft like smart teams do save the cap for our own home grown Giants. The wait and see approach hasn’t worked. You can copy and paste your post for the last 10 seasons. We blew our load last offseason, and are paying for it now. All the big contracts are back loaded, so cutting them will put us in salary cap purgatory. You realistically look at this roster, we are in no man’s land. Over $200 million in guaranteed money spent the past two seasons, and we have nothing to show for it. Dave Gettleman should be brought up on charges for impersonating an NFL general manager.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Dec 13, 2021 21:18:41 GMT -5
Respectfully disagree about KG. We would barely miss him if he did not play. How can we have a guy like that taking up 21.5 mill in cap room in 22-23-24 ? Wouldn't it be better to admit our mistake and stop the bleeding? He has been productive except while playing here with Jones hw has talent. His issues are not about QB in my opinion. His issues is he gets some of the lowest separation numbers in the NFL and he is not going to get faster heading towards 30 years old. I love good wide receivers. I was happy we signed him despite previous warnings about separation which has declined further. I just do not think he is worth 21.5 mill in cap room for the next 3 seasons. I'd rather admit my mistake and stop the bleedings ASAP.
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Post by cruzsoldier on Dec 13, 2021 21:27:21 GMT -5
With all of those cuts, we’ll be eating dead money for the next century. Now saying that, to fix this cluster **** of a team. Drastic changes must be done. Meaning, cut all the dead weight and high priced busboys. And start from scratch again.. Mr Kruunch these 3 must go no matter what : 1. Sterling Shepard…I don’t know what Gettleman was thinking when Shepard was/is always injured let’s just give him more money? 2. Riley Dixon …. I am a disabled veteran with 2 knee surgeries I think I could do what he does for our team. 3. Blake Martinez …. Sorry Blake I love his grit and effort but the injury and money makes this obvious.
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Post by McCherry on Dec 13, 2021 21:28:09 GMT -5
Forget KG if he can stay healthy and they can get him the ball he will be more then fine and we are fine with his contract as long as they draft good. Respectfully disagree about KG. We would barely miss him if he did not play. How can we have a guy like that taking up 21.5 mill in cap room in 22-23-24 ? Wouldn't it be better to admit our mistake and stop the bleeding? Golloday just signed a four-year, $72 million deal, you can't cut him.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Dec 13, 2021 21:30:37 GMT -5
KG Post 6-1 release 2022 Dead Cap: $13,400,000 2023 Dead Cap: $10,200,000 2022 Cap Savings: $7,750,000 Blake Post 6-1 release 2022 Dead Cap: $5,500,000 2023 Dead Cap: $0 2022 Cap Savings: $8,525,000 I think those are the 2 moves that you have to consider. I may be recalling the rules incorrectly but I thought if you designate someone a post June 1 release you do not realize the cap savings until after June 1. So you can't use that savings for the free agency period from March to June. I'm not sure of the rules. I just do not think we should keep KGs crazy contract for 3 years and expect him to get better as he ages. Feels a lot like Nate Solder. Only guy available. Got a big deal and did not live up to it. We could cut him Pre 6-1 but then his dead cap hit of 23.6 would be all in 2022 not broken in 2 years. I'd be okay with that as well. Cut our losses.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Dec 13, 2021 21:32:35 GMT -5
Respectfully disagree about KG. We would barely miss him if he did not play. How can we have a guy like that taking up 21.5 mill in cap room in 22-23-24 ? Wouldn't it be better to admit our mistake and stop the bleeding? Golloday just signed a four-year, $72 million deal, you can't cut him. Why not? If you do not want to be on the hook for 21.5 cap hit for 3 straight years take the 23.6 mill dead cap hit and move on.
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 13, 2021 21:33:12 GMT -5
With all of those cuts, we’ll be eating dead money for the next century. Now saying that, to fix this cluster **** of a team. Drastic changes must be done. Meaning, cut all the dead weight and high priced busboys. And start from scratch again.. Mr Kruunch these 3 must go no matter what : 1. Sterling Shepard…I don’t know what Gettleman was thinking when Shepard was/is always injured let’s just give him more money? 2. Riley Dixon …. I am a disabled veteran with 2 knee surgeries I think I could do what he does for our team. 3. Blake Martinez …. Sorry Blake I love his grit and effort but the injury and money makes this obvious. Shepard is good as gone. He’s been in the trainers room so often that he has been mistaken for a chair. Toney may have him beat, he got covid from a text message.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Dec 13, 2021 21:36:22 GMT -5
Mr Kruunch these 3 must go no matter what : 1. Sterling Shepard…I don’t know what Gettleman was thinking when Shepard was/is always injured let’s just give him more money? 2. Riley Dixon …. I am a disabled veteran with 2 knee surgeries I think I could do what he does for our team. 3. Blake Martinez …. Sorry Blake I love his grit and effort but the injury and money makes this obvious. Shepard is good as gone. He’s been in the trainers room so often that he has been mistaken for a chair. Toney may have him beat, he got covid from a text message. Rather keep Shep at 12 than KG at 21
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Post by vinnie on Dec 13, 2021 21:37:09 GMT -5
We’re not going to the playoffs anyways and may very well be looking for a new QB after next year which means we would have a rookie QB in 2 years. Point being, I like some of those guys but we’re not going to do shit for awhile so I don’t care who we cut. Build up the cap space, draft well and in 2-3 years when we get close to having hopefully a complete team with a sophomore QB, break the bank in FA to fill in the gaps.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 13, 2021 21:39:25 GMT -5
He has been productive except while playing here with Jones hw has talent. His issues are not about QB in my opinion. His issues is he gets some of the lowest separation numbers in the NFL and he is not going to get faster heading towards 30 years old. I love good wide receivers. I was happy we signed him despite previous warnings about separation which has declined further. I just do not think he is worth 21.5 mill in cap room for the next 3 seasons. I'd rather admit my mistake and stop the bleedings ASAP. I think this need to see what he is when healthy with a full camp working with who ever his QB will be wether it is Jones or who ever KG can still win on routes it takes some work from the coaches they are still running garrets offense if they cut him rather do it later in the contract then spreading dead money through 3 years.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 13, 2021 21:44:28 GMT -5
We’re not going to the playoffs anyways and may very well be looking for a new QB after next year which means we would have a rookie QB in 2 years. Point being, I like some of those guys but we’re not going to do shit for awhile so I don’t care who we cut. Build up the cap space, draft well and in 2-3 years when we get close to having hopefully a complete team with a sophomore QB, break the bank in FA to fill in the gaps. The way they are set up after 2022 they re gonna have solid cap with the contracts as they are structured right now the next 3 years 2023/ 2024 /2025. If they get someone in here who can draft they should be great when it comes to cap, and it should be used on our homegrown Giants and filling holes not team building.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Dec 13, 2021 21:45:17 GMT -5
His issues are not about QB in my opinion. His issues is he gets some of the lowest separation numbers in the NFL and he is not going to get faster heading towards 30 years old. I love good wide receivers. I was happy we signed him despite previous warnings about separation which has declined further. I just do not think he is worth 21.5 mill in cap room for the next 3 seasons. I'd rather admit my mistake and stop the bleedings ASAP. I think this need to see what he is when healthy with a full camp working with who ever his QB will be wether it is Jones or who ever KG can still win on routes it takes some work from the coaches they are still running garrets offense if they cut him rather do it later in the contract then spreading dead money through 3 years. Well we are on the books for 21 in 2022, 21 in 2023, and 21 in 2024. I'd rather take the dead cap hit asap and use all the cap money again in 2023. If we do keep him in 2022 we will be able to cut him for around 10 mill dead cap money in 2023.
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 13, 2021 21:45:25 GMT -5
Shepard is good as gone. He’s been in the trainers room so often that he has been mistaken for a chair. Toney may have him beat, he got covid from a text message. Rather keep Shep at 12 than KG at 21 Shepard hasn’t played a full season since ‘18. It’s time to cut the line. Golladay, is a colossal blunder right now. But, that’s a lot of money to eat. I get it, cut your looses and move on. However, one of these players is getting the pink slip. The logical choice and cost efficient is Shepard. If you ask me, both of them can hit the bricks.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 13, 2021 21:46:29 GMT -5
it would be pretty stupid they are all gonna be on the last year of their contracts next year in 2022, it is not necessary maybe see if the guys they signed this year can get healthy and stay that way in 2022 and build through the draft like smart teams do save the cap for our own home grown Giants. The wait and see approach hasn’t worked. You can copy and paste your post for the last 10 seasons. We blew our load last offseason, and are paying for it now. All the big contracts are back loaded, so cutting them will put us in salary cap purgatory. You realistically look at this roster, we are in no man’s land. Over $200 million in guaranteed money spent the past two seasons, and we have nothing to show for it. Dave Gettleman should be brought up on charges for impersonating an NFL general manager. I think it is simple let them play the contracts out they are short and half of them are done after next year.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Dec 13, 2021 21:47:52 GMT -5
Rather keep Shep at 12 than KG at 21 Shepard hasn’t played a full season since ‘18. It’s time to cut the line. Golladay, is a colossal blunder right now. But, that’s a lot of money to eat. I get it, cut your looses and move on. However, one of these players is getting the pink slip. The logical choice and cost efficient is Shepard. If you ask me, both of them can hit the bricks. I dont even view KG as better than Shep so why keep him at almost twice the price? Oh well what I think does not matter lol.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Dec 13, 2021 21:48:57 GMT -5
Booker > Barkley when it comes to bang for your buck
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 13, 2021 21:50:22 GMT -5
Shepard hasn’t played a full season since ‘18. It’s time to cut the line. Golladay, is a colossal blunder right now. But, that’s a lot of money to eat. I get it, cut your looses and move on. However, one of these players is getting the pink slip. The logical choice and cost efficient is Shepard. If you ask me, both of them can hit the bricks. I dont even view KG as better than Shep so why keep him at almost twice the price? Oh well what I think does not matter lol. Shepard when healthy is a very good player. Unfortunately, the injury bug is in his family tree.
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Post by te88 on Dec 13, 2021 21:51:20 GMT -5
I know that this is a big concern, but New York Giants daily tweeted out a path. These guys were reacting to it and discussing it. What say you? Cliff notes Cut James Bradberry. 21.8mil to keep him. 9.7mil to cut him. Saves 12.1mil Cut Blake Martinez. 14mil to keep him, 5.5mil to cut him. Saves 8.5mil Cut Sterling Shep. 12.5mil to keep him, 8mil to cut him. Saves 4.5mil Cut Kyle Rudolph saves 5mil Cut Riley Dixon saves 8.2mil Cut Devonte Booker saves 2mil They need to cut/trade/remove as many veteran players from this roster as possible. Accumulate cash and picks
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Post by cdngfan on Dec 13, 2021 22:09:23 GMT -5
These two guys lost me when they suggested signing a stud o lineman.
For a team like us, FA needs to be about value. There’s no “value” in stud signings.
We have so many holes it’s hard to even discuss it.
Flopping $12mill+ a seasoning when we’re this far away makes no sense at all.
There is no fast forward to this nightmare.
Free up enough space to sign your draft picks and let the other contracts run out.
We’re 3 years minimum from being .500.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Dec 13, 2021 22:24:43 GMT -5
These two guys lost me when they suggested signing a stud o lineman. For a team like us, FA needs to be about value. There’s no “value” in stud signings. We have so many holes it’s hard to even discuss it. Flopping $12mill+ a seasoning when we’re this far away makes no sense at all. There is no fast forward to this nightmare. Free up enough space to sign your draft picks and let the other contracts run out. We’re 3 years minimum from being .500. Find 4 real linemen and we could be 500 or better right away.
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Post by cdngfan on Dec 13, 2021 22:48:08 GMT -5
These two guys lost me when they suggested signing a stud o lineman. For a team like us, FA needs to be about value. There’s no “value” in stud signings. We have so many holes it’s hard to even discuss it. Flopping $12mill+ a seasoning when we’re this far away makes no sense at all. There is no fast forward to this nightmare. Free up enough space to sign your draft picks and let the other contracts run out. We’re 3 years minimum from being .500. Find 4 real linemen and we could be 500 or better right away. It’s not popular on here but based on what we saw late last season I was excited to see the line we had planned healthy. Gates career might be over and Lemieux may be set back when he needed to develop further. We’ll probably never know now but two early picks could help a lot. I was a DJ supporter up until the last few games. He would play much better with even an average line, but we may have ruined him with this joke that’s been protecting him. Still doesn’t fix our WRs, RB, LBers, CB (if Bradberry doesn’t rebound), TE.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 13, 2021 23:35:37 GMT -5
Respectfully disagree about KG. We would barely miss him if he did not play. How can we have a guy like that taking up 21.5 mill in cap room in 22-23-24 ? Wouldn't it be better to admit our mistake and stop the bleeding? Agreed. We made a huge mistake, let’s not compound it with continuing to think he’s going to pan out. Unfortunately, our dopey GM backed the brinks truck for him. And cutting him will result in a $21 million cap hit. I keep repeating Everyone focuses on the O line misses...and that has been catastrophic in itself. The reason we went Golladay and Toney this year because of the pure neglect at that position with young talent until this year other than a 5th round stab and overpaying the wish version of Cruz in 2019.... If they had done this (sorry Artax..I'm bringing out Lucille again ) 2019,AJ Brown 2020,Darnell Mooney.. (mid rounds he was there ) Trade back and there are O linemen there IIR everywhere Steelers and Rams have fleets or dynamic playmakers all taken with picks between rounds 2 and 4 because they take guys every other year..and pay maybe one guy not top dollar because they have multiple threats all over the place on the depth chart even if injuries happen (see Robert Woods in LA) This way they can use premium picks in other high impact positions (O line especially)and have $$ to pay them Of course good teams can find and develop o linemen rounds 2-5 as well..
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 14, 2021 7:33:04 GMT -5
I think we need to up our edge rush as much as O Line help. Losing the last 2 minutes of the half 59 - 0 is crushing, and having a decent pass rush would have certainly mitigated some of that scoring.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2021 8:16:52 GMT -5
These two guys lost me when they suggested signing a stud o lineman. For a team like us, FA needs to be about value. There’s no “value” in stud signings. We have so many holes it’s hard to even discuss it. Flopping $12mill+ a seasoning when we’re this far away makes no sense at all. There is no fast forward to this nightmare. Free up enough space to sign your draft picks and let the other contracts run out. We’re 3 years minimum from being .500. Find 4 real linemen and we could be 500 or better right away. You're the best!! Who cares this hasn't come close to materializing these past 4 years but this is going to be the year!! YEAH
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2021 8:17:35 GMT -5
I think we need to up our edge rush as much as O Line help. Losing the last 2 minutes of the half 59 - 0 is crushing, and having a decent pass rush would have certainly mitigated some of that scoring. Yes this has to be a priority moving forward!
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Post by imgrate on Dec 14, 2021 8:29:50 GMT -5
We don't need $42M in camp space. The goal isn't to outspend everyone in free agency every offseason. Between Martinez and Bradberry, you could extend both and save enough money to fund the 2022 season. We'll save some more by cutting Shepard. A few moves could create enough operating room to sign draft picks and make a couple moves. I don't expect any big signings. Extend or live with Martinez and Bradberry Cut Dixon Trade Shep if you must And release Kyle Rudolph.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Dec 14, 2021 8:40:54 GMT -5
Find 4 real linemen and we could be 500 or better right away. You're the best!! Who cares this hasn't come close to materializing these past 4 years but this is going to be the year!! YEAH If other teams are able to build solid to good olines so can we. Just saying we did not do it for the last 4 years is not an excuse not to do it next season.
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Post by snyder55 on Dec 14, 2021 8:48:24 GMT -5
a team like the Giants with very little cap room can't afford to keep expensive players who don't help the team win football games, whats the point, is it window dressing for a losing team...
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Post by Dezzr on Dec 14, 2021 8:54:07 GMT -5
I know that this is a big concern, but New York Giants daily tweeted out a path. These guys were reacting to it and discussing it. What say you? Cliff notes Cut James Bradberry. 21.8mil to keep him. 9.7mil to cut him. Saves 12.1mil Cut Blake Martinez. 14mil to keep him, 5.5mil to cut him. Saves 8.5mil Cut Sterling Shep. 12.5mil to keep him, 8mil to cut him. Saves 4.5mil Cut Kyle Rudolph saves 5mil Cut Riley Dixon saves 8.2mil Cut Devonte Booker saves 2mil Id like to keep Blake because hes always around the ball but who knows how he'll play after his injury. The rest you can cut.
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Post by Delicreep on Dec 14, 2021 9:29:22 GMT -5
Extend or live with Martinez and Bradberry Cut Dixon Trade Shep if you must And release Kyle Rudolph. I am honestly unsure if we should just keep him...on the fence.
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