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Post by GameTime on Jan 18, 2023 7:38:06 GMT -5
This whole season, for Jones, was for him to prove he can be a franchise QB. In the beginning of the season Taylor was a more experienced QB with a bunch of wins under his belt. He was the "better" QB. However his job was to be the back up. We now know that Daboll purposely sabotaged Jones (for the right reasons) by telling Wink what the O was going to do when Jones was the QB and NOT when Taylor was the QB in training camp. This tells me right away that Daboll was 110% serious about working with Jones. It wasnt long before it was apparent that Jones was the only choice to be the starting QB. He is head and shoulders more capable than TT at this point. This what the goal was all along. Prior to the season it was gamble by Schoen and Daboll and it has paid off big time. Besides experience and wins. (still holds true today against DJ) How exactly was Tyrod a better QB in August? Because I did not see it. I keep reading he (is ) was the better QB. No one is explaining why he was. If it is going to be claimed that he was. The question should be easily answered. How exactly was Tyrod a better QB. Its just my assumption since TT had more experience and more wins under his belt. Its my opinion and means nothing in the grand scheme of things. I dont have an math formulas to back up my view.... . I am not saying I am right. What really matters is the TT was brought in to be a back and not competition. They were all in on Jones and giving him a shot. TT was a no brainer for them as back up as they didnt have to spend much time him to learn the the system and he could actually help Jones . Same with Webb
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Post by GameTime on Jan 18, 2023 7:38:50 GMT -5
Besides experience and wins. (still holds true today against DJ) How exactly was Tyrod a better QB in August? Because I did not see it. I keep reading he (is ) was the better QB. No one is explaining why he was. If it is going to be claimed that he was. The question should be easily answered. How exactly was Tyrod a better QB. There was a media piece that came out claiming that Daboll would give the D the plays DJ was running to see how he would react to getting constantly beat on plays, and then did the opposite with TT. There is no universe where TT is better than DJ, in August or any time. But during camp it sounds like Daboll wanted to make Dak suffer to see how he would react. Prescott?? lol
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Post by TEM on Jan 18, 2023 7:40:29 GMT -5
Besides experience and wins. (still holds true today against DJ) How exactly was Tyrod a better QB in August? Because I did not see it. I keep reading he (is ) was the better QB. No one is explaining why he was. If it is going to be claimed that he was. The question should be easily answered. How exactly was Tyrod a better QB. Its just my assumption since TT had more experience and more wins under his belt. It my opinion and means nothing in the grand scheme of things. I dont have an math formulas to back up my view.... . I am not saying I am right. What really matters is the TT was brought in to be a back and not competition. They were all in on Jones and giving him a shot. TT was a no brainer for them as back up as they didnt have to spend much time him to learn the the system and he could actually help Jones . Same with Webb Thank you for the honest answer. He is a backup. I will say this. Between him a Webb. I want Tyrod out there if needed.
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Post by GameTime on Jan 18, 2023 7:48:24 GMT -5
Its just my assumption since TT had more experience and more wins under his belt. It my opinion and means nothing in the grand scheme of things. I dont have an math formulas to back up my view.... . I am not saying I am right. What really matters is the TT was brought in to be a back and not competition. They were all in on Jones and giving him a shot. TT was a no brainer for them as back up as they didnt have to spend much time him to learn the the system and he could actually help Jones . Same with Webb Thank you for the honest answer. He is a backup. I will say this. Between him a Webb. I want Tyrod out there if needed. you know when Webb was first with the NYGs I really liked the kid. He just seemed to have the all the right QB tools and played pretty well in preseason games at times. Other times not so much. After years went by and he never got a starters chance I assumed that there is something missing in his game. In either case if Jones is out, at this point, the game is done.
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Post by TEM on Jan 18, 2023 7:53:43 GMT -5
Thank you for the honest answer. He is a backup. I will say this. Between him a Webb. I want Tyrod out there if needed. you know when Webb was first with the NYGs I really liked the kid. He just seemed to have the all the right QB tools and played pretty well in preseason games at times. Other times not so much. After years went by and he never got a starters chance I assumed that there is something missing in his game. In either case if Jones is out, at this point, the game is done. With the number of backups in the playoffs this year. They were keeping their teams in the games. One won. Just an opinion. The backup is not just the Clipboard Bitch anymore. They seem to be more prepared in today's game to fulfill their role.
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Post by GameTime on Jan 18, 2023 7:57:24 GMT -5
you know when Webb was first with the NYGs I really liked the kid. He just seemed to have the all the right QB tools and played pretty well in preseason games at times. Other times not so much. After years went by and he never got a starters chance I assumed that there is something missing in his game. In either case if Jones is out, at this point, the game is done. With the number of backups in the playoffs this year. They were keeping their teams in the games. One won. Just an opinion. The backup is not just the Clipboard Bitch anymore. They seem to be more prepared in today's game to fulfill their role. during the reg season I agree for sure. At this stage not so much But look at Broc Purdy....Mr.Irrelevant. Kid may be a phenom
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 18, 2023 8:08:57 GMT -5
There was a media piece that came out claiming that Daboll would give the D the plays DJ was running to see how he would react to getting constantly beat on plays, and then did the opposite with TT. There is no universe where TT is better than DJ, in August or any time. But during camp it sounds like Daboll wanted to make Dak suffer to see how he would react. Prescott?? lol F’in auto correct. You’d think I’ve typed DJ enough to just leave it alone.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 18, 2023 8:21:30 GMT -5
With the number of backups in the playoffs this year. They were keeping their teams in the games. One won. Just an opinion. The backup is not just the Clipboard Bitch anymore. They seem to be more prepared in today's game to fulfill their role. during the reg season I agree for sure. At this stage not so much But look at Broc Purdy....Mr.Irrelevant. Kid may be a phenom Coaching. Its a wonderful thing. Brock Prudy isnt doing what he is doing if he was on the Jets or somewhere. I always say Tom Brady would be a nothingburger if he was drafted by the Jets in the 1st round instead of the Pats in the 6th round. I truly believe that.
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Post by GameTime on Jan 18, 2023 8:24:40 GMT -5
during the reg season I agree for sure. At this stage not so much But look at Broc Purdy....Mr.Irrelevant. Kid may be a phenom Coaching. Its a wonderful thing. Brock Prudy isnt doing what he is doing if he was on the Jets or somewhere. I always say Tom Brady would be a nothingburger if he was drafted by the Jets in the 1st round instead of the Pats in the 6th round. I truly believe that. true...but he is still a rookie and Mr. Irrelevant. To a degree you cant coach poise etc. Purdy is on a great team for sure but he is a back up's back up. Kid gets big credit
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 18, 2023 8:31:42 GMT -5
Coaching. Its a wonderful thing. Brock Prudy isnt doing what he is doing if he was on the Jets or somewhere. I always say Tom Brady would be a nothingburger if he was drafted by the Jets in the 1st round instead of the Pats in the 6th round. I truly believe that. true...but he is still a rookie and Mr. Irrelevant. To a degree you cant coach poise etc. Purdy is on a great team for sure but he is a back up's back up. Kid gets big credit Its hard to root against him. Hope they destroy Dallas.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Jan 18, 2023 8:53:57 GMT -5
Well to be fair if we are looking back TT was not the only one that was called better. Yes some called for TT but some called for Mitch Trubisky. Some called for Gardner Minshaw.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 18, 2023 8:58:35 GMT -5
Well if we are looking back TT was only one that was called better. Yes some called for TT but some called for Mitch Trubisky. Some called for Gardner Minshaw. Don't count your chickens before they hatch Kerry. Just enjoy it IF Daniel gets a deal here and shows that what he does against Minnesota he can do against the likes of Philly and Dallas and SF.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Jan 18, 2023 9:09:07 GMT -5
Well if we are looking back TT was only one that was called better. Yes some called for TT but some called for Mitch Trubisky. Some called for Gardner Minshaw. Don't count your chickens before they hatch Kerry. Just enjoy it IF Daniel gets a deal here and shows that what he does against Minnesota he can do against the likes of Philly and Dallas and SF. I dont really understand that post. All I was saying was that Morehead was not alone in his proclamation. As far as DJ goes he is the NY Giants QB not just my QB. I would think my "chickens" would be the same as your "chickens". Are you saying if things do not go well against Philly or SF that Garner Minshaw or Mitch Trubisky becomes a better QB than DJ?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 18, 2023 9:33:51 GMT -5
Don't count your chickens before they hatch Kerry. Just enjoy it IF Daniel gets a deal here and shows that what he does against Minnesota he can do against the likes of Philly and Dallas and SF. I dont really understand that post. All I was saying was that Morehead was not alone in his proclamation. As far as DJ goes he is the NY Giants QB not just my QB. I would think my "chickens" would be the same as your "chickens". Are you saying if things do not go well against Philly or SF that Garner Minshaw or Mitch Trubisky becomes a better QB than DJ? No, Im saying be patient before claiming he is. Consistency is key.
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Post by jimmieray on Jan 18, 2023 9:36:49 GMT -5
This is gold Jerry. GOLD! soup is not a meal I'll bet Jones would accept soup as a meal. Maybe not a consomme, but a hearty bowl of mushroom barley with crackers.
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Post by jros on Jan 18, 2023 9:49:16 GMT -5
Well if we are looking back TT was only one that was called better. Yes some called for TT but some called for Mitch Trubisky. Some called for Gardner Minshaw. Don't count your chickens before they hatch Kerry. Just enjoy it IF Daniel gets a deal here and shows that what he does against Minnesota he can do against the likes of Philly and Dallas and SF. From a stat standpoint, DJ is not doing what he did against Minnesota against the eagles because eagles have a better defense that can put more pressure on him. We just need him to play efficient football like he’s been doing all year long and make good decisions. We know good defenses can shut down good offenses especially in.the playoffs so it’s not fair to judge him individually based on the number of passing yards or passing touchdowns. Well he couldn’t put up over 300 passing yards against a good team. He can only do it against bad teams. You and I both know it’s not as simple as that. You might say the same thing about our ol and receivers. They can block well and get open against bad teams but they can’t block or get open against good tweaks.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Jan 18, 2023 10:00:48 GMT -5
I dont really understand that post. All I was saying was that Morehead was not alone in his proclamation. As far as DJ goes he is the NY Giants QB not just my QB. I would think my "chickens" would be the same as your "chickens". Are you saying if things do not go well against Philly or SF that Garner Minshaw or Mitch Trubisky becomes a better QB than DJ? No, Im saying be patient before claiming he is. Consistency is key. At 9-7-1, playoffs, and a road playoff win This years Giants and DJ already bettered my high hopes. I'm hoping for the best vs Philly but also understand they were the best team in the NFL for much of the season. No matter what happens in our next game our teams management should have a solid idea if DJ is better than Minshaw or Trubinsky. If they do not think that then they should not offer any contract.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jan 18, 2023 10:23:45 GMT -5
We should trade Tyrod and save 10 million...Jets could use him.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 18, 2023 12:13:08 GMT -5
No, Im saying be patient before claiming he is. Consistency is key. At 9-7-1, playoffs, and a road playoff win This years Giants and DJ already bettered my high hopes. I'm hoping for the best vs Philly but also understand they were the best team in the NFL for much of the season. No matter what happens in our next game our teams management should have a solid idea if DJ is better than Minshaw or Trubinsky. If they do not think that then they should not offer any contract. Like us they had some injury issues going into the last few games of the year, but are getting healthy. I expect a serious snot knocker on Saturday night.
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Post by Jomo on Jan 18, 2023 14:01:05 GMT -5
Not sure what his contractual status is next year but TT will be gone. That is too much to spend on a backup QB.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jan 18, 2023 14:18:45 GMT -5
If we cut Tyrod, we only save 2.75 million. He isn't getting 10 million like i thought, so he's actually a reasonable priced back up. We will keep him unless we can trade him.
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Post by Jomo on Jan 18, 2023 14:26:34 GMT -5
If we cut Tyrod, we only save 2.75 million. He isn't getting 10 million like i thought, so he's actually a reasonable priced back up. We will keep him unless we can trade him. Thanks, I was working off the $10m #. I remember Carr playing for $1m but that was a while ago. $2.75 sounds high but the market sets the market for players, not me.
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Post by Nick6475 on Jan 18, 2023 15:01:45 GMT -5
If we cut Tyrod, we only save 2.75 million. He isn't getting 10 million like i thought, so he's actually a reasonable priced back up. We will keep him unless we can trade him. Thanks, I was working off the $10m #. I remember Carr playing for $1m but that was a while ago. $2.75 sounds high but the market sets the market for players, not me. I think his actual cap hit is $6.9M in 2023. If Jones is the long term solution though, the Giants will need to invest in a capable backup. Giants fans were spoiled with Eli playing every game, but with Jones' running, the likelihood of him missing games is much higher.
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Post by TEM on Jan 18, 2023 15:03:10 GMT -5
If we cut Tyrod, we only save 2.75 million. He isn't getting 10 million like i thought, so he's actually a reasonable priced back up. We will keep him unless we can trade him. Thanks, I was working off the $10m #. I remember Carr playing for $1m but that was a while ago. $2.75 sounds high but the market sets the market for players, not me. Tyrod's cap hit next year is 6.9 million. www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/tyrod-taylor-7899/
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Post by Roosevelt on Jan 18, 2023 15:24:20 GMT -5
Bahahhahhahhahaaahahhaaaaaaaaaaa. I'm usually not a fan of rehashing old threads, but this is just so good. I gotta admit these types of threads make me smile.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jan 18, 2023 15:26:17 GMT -5
Bahahhahhahhahaaahahhaaaaaaaaaaa. I'm usually not a fan of rehashing old threads, but this is just so good. I gotta admit these types of threads make me smile.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jan 18, 2023 15:34:57 GMT -5
Let's pump the Breaks on Tyrod Taylor being the better QB on the roster. Sorry Morehead. I could not resist. I have a feeling “let’s pump the brakes” will become a legendary expression on here
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Post by TEM on Jan 18, 2023 15:38:05 GMT -5
Let's pump the Brakes on Tyrod Taylor being the better QB on the roster. Sorry Morehead. I could not resist. I have a feeling “let’s pump the brakes” will become a legendary expression on here I agree that one is going to stick.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 14, 2023 5:23:17 GMT -5
I think Daniel Jones should be our starter. He has the possible upside. He was the 6th pick in the draft. He deserves this one last chance. But I'm sorry, right now, August 2022, Tyrod Taylor is the better QB. He's SO much better in the pocket. He makes better decisions. He just looks like a solid NFL QB. We talk about all the different systems and coordinators that DJ has had.....well how many has Taylor had? He has a new system every year, yet he looks smooth and competent in the pocket. With DJ it still looks like a fire drill. So I support the decision to start the season with DJ. He does have a lot of tools. But I think we have a chance to win more games THIS year with Tyrod Taylor. I know he's not the future. DJ probably isn't either. But I'm OK with giving him this last chance. But I wouldn't be surprised if DJ gets supplanted by Taylor by mid season. Ahhh … now I see why so sensitive lol … you and Southerner on the same page!!!
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Post by TEM on Apr 14, 2023 5:43:09 GMT -5
Tyrod was never better than DJ. (Ever) This debate has been put to rest.
Jones led the league in INT percentage. 1.1% (1 int per 94 attempts)
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