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Post by piddy283 on Apr 14, 2023 6:26:08 GMT -5
Going into last season, I absolutely could've seen TT eventually taking over the starting role. Jones was coming off of two terrible seasons, and he had some mysterious neck injury that some though could potentially be career threatening. If Jones came out and shat the bed last season, or if he happened to get hurt, there was a path for TT to start.
Either way, the TT signing was a good one. He's one of the more capable backup QBs in the league.
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Post by TEM on Apr 14, 2023 6:31:11 GMT -5
Going into last season, I absolutely could've seen TT eventually taking over the starting role. Jones was coming off of two terrible seasons, and he had some mysterious neck injury that some though could potentially be career threatening. If Jones came out and shat the bed last season, or if he happened to get hurt, there was a path for TT to start. Either way, the TT signing was a good one. He's one of the more capable backup QBs in the league. We would never have made the playoffs with him at QB. He is weak between the ears.
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Post by piddy283 on Apr 14, 2023 6:59:23 GMT -5
Going into last season, I absolutely could've seen TT eventually taking over the starting role. Jones was coming off of two terrible seasons, and he had some mysterious neck injury that some though could potentially be career threatening. If Jones came out and shat the bed last season, or if he happened to get hurt, there was a path for TT to start. Either way, the TT signing was a good one. He's one of the more capable backup QBs in the league. We would never have made the playoffs with him at QB. He is weak between the ears. The point is, going into last season DJ was a complete question mark. We didn't offer the 5th year extension for a reason. If DJ came out of the gates in 2022 and played the way he did in 2020 & 2021, there's no doubt in my mind TT would've taken over the starting role at some point. I'm not saying he would've been better or worse, but he would've started some games. Lucky for us, DJ played well and we never had to find out how good/bad TT would be.
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Post by TEM on Apr 14, 2023 7:07:25 GMT -5
We would never have made the playoffs with him at QB. He is weak between the ears. The point is, going into last season DJ was a complete question mark. We didn't offer the 5th year extension for a reason. If DJ came out of the gates in 2022 and played the way he did in 2020 & 2021, there's no doubt in my mind TT would've taken over the starting role at some point. I'm not saying he would've been better or worse, but he would've started some games. Lucky for us, DJ played well and we never had to find out how good/bad TT would be. Only to fans and media clowns. The evidence pointed to the GM, OC and HC seemed to be confident in his ability in the offseason. Or they would have brought in a qualified QB. Not a backup.
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Post by piddy283 on Apr 14, 2023 7:37:31 GMT -5
The point is, going into last season DJ was a complete question mark. We didn't offer the 5th year extension for a reason. If DJ came out of the gates in 2022 and played the way he did in 2020 & 2021, there's no doubt in my mind TT would've taken over the starting role at some point. I'm not saying he would've been better or worse, but he would've started some games. Lucky for us, DJ played well and we never had to find out how good/bad TT would be. Only to fans and media clowns. The evidence pointed to the GM, OC and HC seemed to be confident in his ability in the offseason. Or they would have brought in a qualified QB. Not a backup. They showed confidence by not offering him the 5th year extension?
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Post by kerryisdaman on Apr 14, 2023 8:07:52 GMT -5
Only to fans and media clowns. The evidence pointed to the GM, OC and HC seemed to be confident in his ability in the offseason. Or they would have brought in a qualified QB. Not a backup. They showed confidence by not offering him the 5th year extension? I had confidence in DJ but said they can't offer the option coming off injury where he missed 6 games. The team made it clear that DJ was the starter. They not only said from the start that TT was signed as the backup but they did not sign Trubinsky who wanted to be a starter.
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Post by TEM on Apr 14, 2023 8:27:05 GMT -5
Only to fans and media clowns. The evidence pointed to the GM, OC and HC seemed to be confident in his ability in the offseason. Or they would have brought in a qualified QB. Not a backup. They showed confidence by not offering him the 5th year extension?  He still needed to prove himself to the new staff as per system. IMO They knew what he could do . They didn't know how he would respond to their system.
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 14, 2023 10:50:42 GMT -5
I think Daniel Jones should be our starter. He has the possible upside. He was the 6th pick in the draft. He deserves this one last chance. But I'm sorry, right now, August 2022, Tyrod Taylor is the better QB. He's SO much better in the pocket. He makes better decisions. He just looks like a solid NFL QB. We talk about all the different systems and coordinators that DJ has had.....well how many has Taylor had? He has a new system every year, yet he looks smooth and competent in the pocket. With DJ it still looks like a fire drill. So I support the decision to start the season with DJ. He does have a lot of tools. But I think we have a chance to win more games THIS year with Tyrod Taylor. I know he's not the future. DJ probably isn't either. But I'm OK with giving him this last chance. But I wouldn't be surprised if DJ gets supplanted by Taylor by mid season. Ahhh … now I see why so sensitive lol … you and Southerner on the same page!!! I consider this post quite prophetic. I said he should be the starter. I said he had the tools. I said he had much more upside. God I'm smart sometimes.
So....You're welcome.
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Post by Roswell on Apr 14, 2023 11:01:28 GMT -5
Ahhh … now I see why so sensitive lol … you and Southerner on the same page!!! I consider this post quite prophetic. I said he should be the starter. I said he had the tools. I said he had much more upside. God I'm smart sometimes.
So....You're welcome.
Granted, it is an art to sit on both sides of a fence. I'm glad the Giants took the unsolicited advice of many media pundits and those here in its proper perspective. I'm glad they realized that sometimes a QB needs quality coaching and an intelligent and updated playbook. And while the supporting casts still remains a major work in progress, the faith they showed last year actually paid off, much to the surprise of many experts in the media and in the grandstands. Sometimes there are factors beyond a player's control that play into overall performance. Jones is an example of that.
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 14, 2023 11:31:39 GMT -5
I consider this post quite prophetic. I said he should be the starter. I said he had the tools. I said he had much more upside. God I'm smart sometimes.
So....You're welcome.
Granted, it is an art to sit on both sides of a fence. I'm glad the Giants took the unsolicited advice of many media pundits and those here in its proper perspective. I'm glad they realized that sometimes a QB needs quality coaching and an intelligent and updated playbook. And while the supporting casts still remains a major work in progress, the faith they showed last year actually paid off, much to the surprise of many experts in the media and in the grandstands. Sometimes there are factors beyond a player's control that play into overall performance. Jones is an example of that. Sitting on the fence? I said exactly what I thought at the time.
Some of us have the balls to say what we think, and subject ourselves to criticism.
Others wait a year to see how it turns out before they pounce.
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Post by Roswell on Apr 14, 2023 11:39:57 GMT -5
Granted, it is an art to sit on both sides of a fence. I'm glad the Giants took the unsolicited advice of many media pundits and those here in its proper perspective. I'm glad they realized that sometimes a QB needs quality coaching and an intelligent and updated playbook. And while the supporting casts still remains a major work in progress, the faith they showed last year actually paid off, much to the surprise of many experts in the media and in the grandstands. Sometimes there are factors beyond a player's control that play into overall performance. Jones is an example of that. Sitting on the fence? I said exactly what I thought at the time.
Some of us have the balls to say what we think, and subject ourselves to criticism.
Others wait a year to see how it turns out before they pounce.
And who would those others be? Cmon MS. It's all in good fun. Fair is fair. A lot of us believed in the guy. A lot of us took a ton of hits because we did. It's nice that we can all laugh about it afterwards. Hell, I thought Andre Williams was good. I'm not a big fan of bumping threads but now that someone did, it is pretty funny.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 14, 2023 11:57:52 GMT -5
Granted, it is an art to sit on both sides of a fence. I'm glad the Giants took the unsolicited advice of many media pundits and those here in its proper perspective. I'm glad they realized that sometimes a QB needs quality coaching and an intelligent and updated playbook. And while the supporting casts still remains a major work in progress, the faith they showed last year actually paid off, much to the surprise of many experts in the media and in the grandstands. Sometimes there are factors beyond a player's control that play into overall performance. Jones is an example of that. Sitting on the fence? I said exactly what I thought at the time.
Some of us have the balls to say what we think, and subject ourselves to criticism.
Others wait a year to see how it turns out before they pounce.
Now now ... don't make me bump the "KG Will Have a Big Year Thread" Not usually a big fan of bumping old threads to show someone up, but in certain cases where posters so arrogantly and defiantly state ridiculous positions it can be helpful to point out that they have a history of doing the same thing and have never been right (not referring to you BTW)
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 14, 2023 11:58:50 GMT -5
Sitting on the fence? I said exactly what I thought at the time.
Some of us have the balls to say what we think, and subject ourselves to criticism.
Others wait a year to see how it turns out before they pounce.
And who would those others be? Cmon MS. It's all in good fun. Fair is fair. A lot of us believed in the guy. A lot of us took a ton of hits because we did. It's nice that we can all laugh about it afterwards. Hell, I thought Andre Williams was good. I'm not a big fan of bumping threads but now that someone did, it is pretty funny. The funny part is that anyone would suggest I "sit on the fence".
Does that seem like something I do here?
"Yeah that Morehead guy never tells us what he really thinks...."
Yeah....That's me.
And BTW......It's all revisionist history with DJ. Even the new FO didn't pick up his 5th year option. You make it sound like it was some crazy idea that he wasn't going to be our QB after 2022. Quite honestly, it was the prevailing view here and around the league.
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 14, 2023 12:00:20 GMT -5
Sitting on the fence? I said exactly what I thought at the time.
Some of us have the balls to say what we think, and subject ourselves to criticism.
Others wait a year to see how it turns out before they pounce.
Now now ... don't make me bump the "KG Will Have a Big Year Thread" Not usually a big fan of bumping old threads to show someone up, but in certain cases where posters so arrogantly and defiantly state ridiculous positions it can be helpful to point out that they have a history of doing the same thing and have never been right (not referring to you BTW) Yet that's just what you did. Hindsight is very easy...isn't it.
Some of us have the guts to put our views out there.
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Post by Roswell on Apr 14, 2023 12:04:25 GMT -5
Now now ... don't make me bump the "KG Will Have a Big Year Thread" Not usually a big fan of bumping old threads to show someone up, but in certain cases where posters so arrogantly and defiantly state ridiculous positions it can be helpful to point out that they have a history of doing the same thing and have never been right (not referring to you BTW) Yet that's just what you did. Hindsight is very easy...isn't it.
Some of us have the guts to put our views out there.
I think everyone on this board has the guts to put their views out there. But some are sensitive to revisiting those views.
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Post by Roswell on Apr 14, 2023 12:07:12 GMT -5
And who would those others be? Cmon MS. It's all in good fun. Fair is fair. A lot of us believed in the guy. A lot of us took a ton of hits because we did. It's nice that we can all laugh about it afterwards. Hell, I thought Andre Williams was good. I'm not a big fan of bumping threads but now that someone did, it is pretty funny. The funny part is that anyone would suggest I "sit on the fence".
Does that seem like something I do here?
"Yeah that Morehead guy never tells us what he really thinks...."
Yeah....That's me.
And BTW......It's all revisionist history with DJ. Even the new FO didn't pick up his 5th year option. You make it sound like it was some crazy idea that he wasn't going to be our QB after 2022. Quite honestly, it was the prevailing view here and around the league.
For the record, sitting on a fence involves saying Jones should be the starter and "he has the tools" in one thread and then saying he has poor pocket presence and "where are the signs in his first 3 years that he should be the starter" in another thread.
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 14, 2023 12:09:03 GMT -5
The funny part is that anyone would suggest I "sit on the fence".
Does that seem like something I do here?
"Yeah that Morehead guy never tells us what he really thinks...."
Yeah....That's me.
And BTW......It's all revisionist history with DJ. Even the new FO didn't pick up his 5th year option. You make it sound like it was some crazy idea that he wasn't going to be our QB after 2022. Quite honestly, it was the prevailing view here and around the league.
For the record, sitting on a fence involves saying Jones should be the starter in one thread and then saying he has poor pocket presence and "where are the signs in his first 3 years that he should be the starter" in another thread. 1. Daniel Jones should have been the starter in 2022. 2. Daniel Jones has shown poor pocket awareness in his first 3 years.
Both are absolutely true. How is that sitting on any fence?
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 14, 2023 12:11:22 GMT -5
Yet that's just what you did. Hindsight is very easy...isn't it.
Some of us have the guts to put our views out there.
I think everyone on this board has the guts to put their views out there. But some are sensitive to revisiting those views. I'll defend myself anytime, anywhere. You can bring up anything I said since I joined the old boards in 2007. And if I was wrong, I'm happy to admit it.
But in my view, revisiting a thread with the benefit of a year to see how things turned out, and trying to stick in someone's face....is weak.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Apr 14, 2023 12:16:59 GMT -5
I think everyone on this board has the guts to put their views out there. But some are sensitive to revisiting those views. I'll defend myself anytime, anywhere. You can bring up anything I said since I joined the old boards in 2007. And if I was wrong, I'm happy to admit it.
But in my view, revisiting a thread with the benefit of a year to see how things turned out, and trying to stick in someone's face....is weak.
I do not mind if somebody does it for me. I'm wrong often. I think it is cool to see how opinions change over time. I get some right and some wrong. I actually learn more from the times I was wrong.
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Post by Roswell on Apr 14, 2023 12:24:10 GMT -5
I think everyone on this board has the guts to put their views out there. But some are sensitive to revisiting those views. I'll defend myself anytime, anywhere. You can bring up anything I said since I joined the old boards in 2007. And if I was wrong, I'm happy to admit it.
But in my view, revisiting a thread with the benefit of a year to see how things turned out, and trying to stick in someone's face....is weak.
Like I said, I'm not a fan of bumping threads. One of the biggest issues I had with a former poster that was banned (but is back, by the way) is that he would constantly take people's quotes from the past out of context and throw them up in a weak attempt to win points in his head. That said, there is humor in reading takes given after one quarter of the first preseason game. And like I also said, I'm registered as a guy who thought Andre Williams was the solution to the Giant's woes back in the day.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 14, 2023 12:45:19 GMT -5
Now now ... don't make me bump the "KG Will Have a Big Year Thread" Not usually a big fan of bumping old threads to show someone up, but in certain cases where posters so arrogantly and defiantly state ridiculous positions it can be helpful to point out that they have a history of doing the same thing and have never been right (not referring to you BTW) Yet that's just what you did. Hindsight is very easy...isn't it.
Some of us have the guts to put our views out there.
Yeah, it takes a lot of guts to anonymously post crazy shit about your favorite NFL team on a fan message board. Southerner is an American hero
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Post by TEM on Apr 14, 2023 13:07:51 GMT -5
I'll defend myself anytime, anywhere. You can bring up anything I said since I joined the old boards in 2007. And if I was wrong, I'm happy to admit it.
But in my view, revisiting a thread with the benefit of a year to see how things turned out, and trying to stick in someone's face....is weak.
Like I said, I'm not a fan of bumping threads. One of the biggest issues I had with a former poster that was banned (but is back, by the way) is that he would constantly take people's quotes from the past out of context and throw them up in a weak attempt to win points in his head. That said, there is humor in reading takes given after one quarter of the first preseason game. And like I also said, I'm registered as a guy who thought Andre Williams was the solution to the Giant's woes back in the day. We are all guilty of it. I had Lorenzo Carter as our long-term solution at edge.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2023 13:15:50 GMT -5
Like I said, I'm not a fan of bumping threads. One of the biggest issues I had with a former poster that was banned (but is back, by the way) is that he would constantly take people's quotes from the past out of context and throw them up in a weak attempt to win points in his head. That said, there is humor in reading takes given after one quarter of the first preseason game. And like I also said, I'm registered as a guy who thought Andre Williams was the solution to the Giant's woes back in the day. We are all guilty of it. I had Lorenzo Carter as our long-term solution at edge. Was he any good on his new team this past season? We sure had some fun being on the opposite opinion of him out here..
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Post by TEM on Apr 14, 2023 13:17:32 GMT -5
We are all guilty of it. I had Lorenzo Carter as our long-term solution at edge. Was he any good on his new team this past season? We sure had some fun being on the opposite opinion of him out here.. The same 4 sacks 50-60 tackles .
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2023 13:20:35 GMT -5
Was he any good on his new team this past season? We sure had some fun being on the opposite opinion of him out here.. The same 4 sacks 50-60 tackles . My biggest complaint about him was crashing down the line in the run game leaving his area wide open and his inability to make solo tackles..
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Post by TEM on Apr 14, 2023 13:25:36 GMT -5
The same 4 sacks 50-60 tackles . My biggest complaint about him was crashing down the line in the run game leaving his area wide open and his inability to make solo tackles.. I have the same kind of issue with Thibbs . He has poor edge management in the run defense.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2023 14:14:26 GMT -5
My biggest complaint about him was crashing down the line in the run game leaving his area wide open and his inability to make solo tackles.. I have the same kind of issue with Thibbs . He has poor edge management in the run defense. I agree year 1 and if it continues then I will be loud about that also..
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 14, 2023 15:53:57 GMT -5
Yet that's just what you did. Hindsight is very easy...isn't it.
Some of us have the guts to put our views out there.
Yeah, it takes a lot of guts to anonymously post crazy shit about your favorite NFL team on a fan message board. Southerner is an American hero Finally!
Was that so hard?
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Post by Nite on Apr 14, 2023 17:01:31 GMT -5
This southern guy is not only living rent free in some poster's heads but he built a casino, waterpark, 2 stripmalls and a office complex... at least get him to chip in for the cable lol
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Post by mendy on Apr 15, 2023 6:18:55 GMT -5
We would never have made the playoffs with him at QB. He is weak between the ears. The point is, going into last season DJ was a complete question mark. We didn't offer the 5th year extension for a reason. If DJ came out of the gates in 2022 and played the way he did in 2020 & 2021, there's no doubt in my mind TT would've taken over the starting role at some point. I'm not saying he would've been better or worse, but he would've started some games. Lucky for us, DJ played well and we never had to find out how good/bad TT would be. "IF", got to love that word, it allows some to create a fantasy scenario of illusion where none exist. Reminds me of woulda, shoulda, coulda.
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