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Post by Morehead State on Aug 12, 2022 9:03:47 GMT -5
I think Daniel Jones should be our starter. He has the possible upside. He was the 6th pick in the draft. He deserves this one last chance.
But I'm sorry, right now, August 2022, Tyrod Taylor is the better QB. He's SO much better in the pocket. He makes better decisions. He just looks like a solid NFL QB.
We talk about all the different systems and coordinators that DJ has had.....well how many has Taylor had? He has a new system every year, yet he looks smooth and competent in the pocket. With DJ it still looks like a fire drill.
So I support the decision to start the season with DJ. He does have a lot of tools. But I think we have a chance to win more games THIS year with Tyrod Taylor. I know he's not the future. DJ probably isn't either. But I'm OK with giving him this last chance.
But I wouldn't be surprised if DJ gets supplanted by Taylor by mid season.
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Post by McCherry on Aug 12, 2022 9:10:00 GMT -5
Tyrod Taylor looked exactly like a backup QB last night. Glad we have him, hope he never has to take a snap.
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Post by snyder55 on Aug 12, 2022 9:11:51 GMT -5
I think Daniel Jones should be our starter. He has the possible upside. He was the 6th pick in the draft. He deserves this one last chance. But I'm sorry, right now, August 2022, Tyrod Taylor is the better QB. He's SO much better in the pocket. He makes better decisions. He just looks like a solid NFL QB. We talk about all the different systems and coordinators that DJ has had.....well how many has Taylor had? He has a new system every year, yet he looks smooth and competent in the pocket. With DJ it still looks like a fire drill. So I support the decision to start the season with DJ. He does have a lot of tools. But I think we have a chance to win more games THIS year with Tyrod Taylor. I know he's not the future. DJ probably isn't either. But I'm OK with giving him this last chance. But I wouldn't be surprised if DJ gets supplanted by Taylor by mid season. pretty much the way I see it too, but I have never been a Daniel Jones fan.... |
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 12, 2022 9:14:41 GMT -5
Tyrod Taylor looked exactly like a backup QB last night. Glad we have him, hope he never has to take a snap. I would say a very good back up. Not sure I would rate Daniel Jones that high. |
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Post by kerryisdaman on Aug 12, 2022 9:16:15 GMT -5
Here are DJs snaps last night. He had 1 bad throw in my opinion and he probably saw the play was going to be stop so he had mixed thoughts on throwing it at the last second. TT did okay but got luck a couple of balls weren't intercepted.
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Post by Nite on Aug 12, 2022 9:17:14 GMT -5
Lets wait another preseason game and a couple more practices and see whats what.
However it does seem to me the TT is the better QB but since we (correction: lovestruck Gettlefudge) picked him no. 6 so he is the no. 1 as of this moment. The leash is not long. Year no 4 for DJ. He has to step it up...
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 12, 2022 9:20:09 GMT -5
I think Daniel Jones should be our starter. He has the possible upside. He was the 6th pick in the draft. He deserves this one last chance. But I'm sorry, right now, August 2022, Tyrod Taylor is the better QB. He's SO much better in the pocket. He makes better decisions. He just looks like a solid NFL QB. We talk about all the different systems and coordinators that DJ has had.....well how many has Taylor had? He has a new system every year, yet he looks smooth and competent in the pocket. With DJ it still looks like a fire drill. So I support the decision to start the season with DJ. He does have a lot of tools. But I think we have a chance to win more games THIS year with Tyrod Taylor. I know he's not the future. DJ probably isn't either. But I'm OK with giving him this last chance. But I wouldn't be surprised if DJ gets supplanted by Taylor by mid season. I like some of his he also had t 3 or 4 passes that should have been picked. I think we should pump the breaks. I new someone would call for him to be the man didn't think it would be you. Maybe he does end up the starter that will be a bad sign for the team. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Aug 12, 2022 9:21:47 GMT -5
Here are DJs snaps last night. He had 1 bad throw in my opinion and he probably saw the play was going to be stop so he had mixed thoughts on throwing it at the last second. TT did okay but got luck a couple of balls weren't intercepted. based on highlights, not sure if he’s reading a defense. |
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Post by Jomo on Aug 12, 2022 9:22:07 GMT -5
Tyrod Taylor looked exactly like a backup QB last night. Glad we have him, hope he never has to take a snap. I would say a very good back up. Not sure I would rate Daniel Jones that high. Taylor made some nice reads, quick passes and looked comfortable in the pocket. Then he made a few ill advised throws. There is a reason why he's not starting somewhere after this many years in the league. I don't know enough about him but I would say this: We are in good shape with him as our backup. If Jones doesn't elevate, we are picking a QB in the first round next year and that is a step backward. It is, what it is...isn't it? |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 12, 2022 9:22:13 GMT -5
Here are DJs snaps last night. He had 1 bad throw in my opinion and he probably saw the play was going to be stop so he had mixed thoughts on throwing it at the last second. TT did okay but got luck a couple of balls weren't intercepted. It would have been a nicer stat line if KG hangs on to that ball and it probably would have ended his night on high note. |
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 12, 2022 9:27:00 GMT -5
I think Daniel Jones should be our starter. He has the possible upside. He was the 6th pick in the draft. He deserves this one last chance. But I'm sorry, right now, August 2022, Tyrod Taylor is the better QB. He's SO much better in the pocket. He makes better decisions. He just looks like a solid NFL QB. We talk about all the different systems and coordinators that DJ has had.....well how many has Taylor had? He has a new system every year, yet he looks smooth and competent in the pocket. With DJ it still looks like a fire drill. So I support the decision to start the season with DJ. He does have a lot of tools. But I think we have a chance to win more games THIS year with Tyrod Taylor. I know he's not the future. DJ probably isn't either. But I'm OK with giving him this last chance. But I wouldn't be surprised if DJ gets supplanted by Taylor by mid season. I like some of his he also had t 3 or 4 passes that should have been picked. I think we should pump the breaks. I new someone would call for him to be the man didn't think it would be you. Maybe he does end up the starter that will be a bad sign for the team. Hey TT is also in early preseason. There are going to be bad throws as both QB's are learning a new system and getting used to the players around them. But TT has what DJ doesn't...pocket presence. TT looks like an experienced pro in the pocket. he sees the rush well, he moves well and confidently in the pocket. As I said before, it always looks like a fire drill for DJ in the pocket. I wouldn't suggest that TT is any more than a good game manager. DJ has more physical tools. But I trust TT more than DJ right now. Maybe a switch will click for DJ at some point this year, but that is unlikely. All I'm saying is that right now, TT is the better player and gives us a better chance to win. But we know what Tyrod Taylor is. There is no mystery. We HOPE DJ can be better than he's been. We KNOW what TT is. Right now, that's better than DJ. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 12, 2022 9:27:30 GMT -5
I'm going to get scalded to death with this hot take thread...
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Post by Rangers13 on Aug 12, 2022 9:29:21 GMT -5
August 12th - time to draw conclusions
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 12, 2022 9:30:26 GMT -5
The point here DJ looked like he was going through his reads and was going to the correct option on almost every play, he had one bad pass and through one underneath to KG on a 3rd and long. If Taylor looked really solid I would be right in there calling for him but he was erratic and through several pickable balls that should have been picked. I do like Taylor off platform tho and he does vary his arm angles I just think it is Jones or were drafting a QB 2023.
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Post by DJones19 on Aug 12, 2022 9:30:39 GMT -5
maybe I'm in the minority but I didn't think Tyrod look great.
Seemed like he relies on elite level mobility - which makes probably puts him in the above average backup tier but has below average accuracy.
After watching him I wasn't blown away at all - he seems a bit overhyped in general.
Jones looked more accurate and decisive.
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Post by miggs on Aug 12, 2022 9:31:47 GMT -5
Patience in pre-season not a virtue for Giants fans.
But for Gollaway's drop, Jones would have have been 7-10. That's who you want to replace?.
Loved last night Giants running plays, it's backs, and offensive line on runs. Williams and Corbin were studs.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 12, 2022 9:32:39 GMT -5
I'm going to get scalded to death with this hot take thread... I've never understood what a "hot take" is. Seems like stupid, pop culture labeling to me. I'm just posting what I think. |
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 12, 2022 9:35:40 GMT -5
The point here DJ looked like he was going through his reads and was going to the correct option on almost every play, he had one bad pass and through one underneath to KG on a 3rd and long. If Taylor looked really solid I would be right in there calling for him but he was erratic and through several pickable balls that should have been picked. I do like Taylor off platform tho and he does vary his arm angles I just think it is Jones or were drafting a QB 2023. I don't care about that drop, or the stats. I'm talking about what I see regarding both QB's in the pocket. I know that Tyrod Taylor is going to be careful with the ball, maybe too careful. i do because that's what he is and has always been. I know TT will move well in the pocket. I know he won't turn the ball over. Tyrod Taylor is not a mystery. He's a veteran QB. But DJ makes me nervous every time he drops back. It always looks manic with him. |
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Post by jerky on Aug 12, 2022 9:36:15 GMT -5
They're both backups. You can switch one out for the other and it won't make any difference.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 12, 2022 9:36:32 GMT -5
I'm going to get scalded to death with this hot take thread... I've never understood what a "hot take" is. Seems like stupid, pop culture labeling to me. I'm just posting what I think. Lol Opinions vary We will find out by January what our QB situation is one way or another no matter who thinks what FWIW it was know ever since I started posting here that I wanted Tyrod Taylor as a backup here even when we were still in the Eli era so I know what we were getting A guy that could be a high end bridge type guy even for a season if needed |
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Post by snyder55 on Aug 12, 2022 9:36:39 GMT -5
I think Daniel Jones should be our starter. He has the possible upside. He was the 6th pick in the draft. He deserves this one last chance. But I'm sorry, right now, August 2022, Tyrod Taylor is the better QB. He's SO much better in the pocket. He makes better decisions. He just looks like a solid NFL QB. We talk about all the different systems and coordinators that DJ has had.....well how many has Taylor had? He has a new system every year, yet he looks smooth and competent in the pocket. With DJ it still looks like a fire drill. So I support the decision to start the season with DJ. He does have a lot of tools. But I think we have a chance to win more games THIS year with Tyrod Taylor. I know he's not the future. DJ probably isn't either. But I'm OK with giving him this last chance. But I wouldn't be surprised if DJ gets supplanted by Taylor by mid season. I like some of his he also had t 3 or 4 passes that should have been picked. I think we should pump the breaks. I new someone would call for him to be the man didn't think it would be you. Maybe he does end up the starter that will be a bad sign for the team. I have always liked Tyrod Taylor and do think he is the better QB between him and Jones but unfortunately Taylor is at the end of his career and won't be part of the future, so even if we do go with Taylor he is not part of the future and we'll be back to square one in a year looking for a new QB... |
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Post by roundabout on Aug 12, 2022 9:36:51 GMT -5
I'm going to get scalded to death with this hot take thread... Had to look who the OP was...I would've bet it was Southerner  |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 12, 2022 9:37:03 GMT -5
I like some of his he also had t 3 or 4 passes that should have been picked. I think we should pump the breaks. I new someone would call for him to be the man didn't think it would be you. Maybe he does end up the starter that will be a bad sign for the team. Hey TT is also in early preseason. There are going to be bad throws as both QB's are learning a new system and getting used to the players around them. But TT has what DJ doesn't...pocket presence. TT looks like an experienced pro in the pocket. he sees the rush well, he moves well and confidently in the pocket. As I said before, it always looks like a fire drill for DJ in the pocket. I wouldn't suggest that TT is any more than a good game manager. DJ has more physical tools. But I trust TT more than DJ right now. Maybe a switch will click for DJ at some point this year, but that is unlikely. All I'm saying is that right now, TT is the better player and gives us a better chance to win. But we know what Tyrod Taylor is. There is no mystery. We HOPE DJ can be better than he's been. We KNOW what TT is. Right now, that's better than DJ. I don't know gotta see more. DJ looked in control calm in the pocket climbed the pocket a few times knowing the new blocking philosophy is to keep depth and width of the pocket he kept the chains moving, if KG makes a catch right on his hands they have TD or a first on the 1 or 2 yard line. Not much more he could do right except make that sideline throw he missed. I heard McGinness say Taylor was taking care of the ball that couldn't be farther from the truth dude through several balls that should have went the other way. |
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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 12, 2022 9:38:30 GMT -5
I think Daniel Jones should be our starter. He has the possible upside. He was the 6th pick in the draft. He deserves this one last chance. But I'm sorry, right now, August 2022, Tyrod Taylor is the better QB. He's SO much better in the pocket. He makes better decisions. He just looks like a solid NFL QB. We talk about all the different systems and coordinators that DJ has had.....well how many has Taylor had? He has a new system every year, yet he looks smooth and competent in the pocket. With DJ it still looks like a fire drill. So I support the decision to start the season with DJ. He does have a lot of tools. But I think we have a chance to win more games THIS year with Tyrod Taylor. I know he's not the future. DJ probably isn't either. But I'm OK with giving him this last chance. But I wouldn't be surprised if DJ gets supplanted by Taylor by mid season.
I was very impressed by Tyrod when he first came in and as the game went along, his flaws became more apparent. But I understand where you're coming from. He's appears more fluid, more in control in the pocket and when he needs to move. Daniel appears more jittery for want of a better word.
Take Daniel's run for the first down as an example. It was anything but smooth. And if he got himself hurt on that play we would have been livid.
Daniel just doesn't look comfortable yet. Hopefully that changes because he clearly has more physical talent than Tyrod.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 12, 2022 9:40:23 GMT -5
maybe I'm in the minority but I didn't think Tyrod look great. Seemed like he relies on elite level mobility - which makes probably puts him in the above average backup tier but has below average accuracy. After watching him I wasn't blown away at all - he seems a bit overhyped in general. Jones looked more accurate and decisive. I think all you have to see is Jones was getting the ball out for most part it looked like the right read for the down and distance thats why the Chains kept moving. Not taking anything from Taylor but he was wild high and low during his time on the field through several pickable balls. For now it's Jones. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 12, 2022 9:41:17 GMT -5
They're both backups. You can switch one out for the other and it won't make any difference. I pretty much feel the same way. Week 1 start with Jones and go from there. As I said earlier this summer, Jones starts week 1 and by week 17 Taylor is starting. That may be due to injury or play, but either way, thats how I see it. And in 2023, Taylor is QB1 and we go big QB hunting in the 2023 draft. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2022 9:42:04 GMT -5
If Taylor gets a bunch of starts I see a very high draft pick like they have the three years that Jones has started..
Brace yourselves football is coming and the Giants still are bottom dwellers..
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 12, 2022 9:45:11 GMT -5
If Taylor gets a bunch of starts I see a very high draft pick like they have the three years that Jones has started.. Brace yourselves football is coming and the Giants still are bottom dwellers.. Until they show otherwise. Im not sure how many really expect us to be a playoff team this season. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 12, 2022 9:45:36 GMT -5
I think Daniel Jones should be our starter. He has the possible upside. He was the 6th pick in the draft. He deserves this one last chance. But I'm sorry, right now, August 2022, Tyrod Taylor is the better QB. He's SO much better in the pocket. He makes better decisions. He just looks like a solid NFL QB. We talk about all the different systems and coordinators that DJ has had.....well how many has Taylor had? He has a new system every year, yet he looks smooth and competent in the pocket. With DJ it still looks like a fire drill. So I support the decision to start the season with DJ. He does have a lot of tools. But I think we have a chance to win more games THIS year with Tyrod Taylor. I know he's not the future. DJ probably isn't either. But I'm OK with giving him this last chance. But I wouldn't be surprised if DJ gets supplanted by Taylor by mid season.
I was very impressed by Tyrod when he first came in and as the game went along, his flaws became more apparent. But I understand where you're coming from. He's appears more fluid, more in control in the pocket and when he needs to move. Daniel appears more jittery for want of a better word.
Take Daniel's run for the first down as an example. It was anything but smooth. And if he got himself hurt on that play we would have been livid.
Daniel just doesn't look comfortable yet. Hopefully that changes because he clearly has more physical talent than Tyrod.
LOL I thought he looked pretty good when climbing the pocket. I would like to see them sprinkle some motion in and mis direction. I don't think it will happen tho, for now for me it is Jones. I think for a Giants team who has been bad in preseason and regular season this was a decent start being they are a new staff that has never run game together and the players are in the infancy of the learning process of these systems. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 12, 2022 9:48:17 GMT -5
If Taylor gets a bunch of starts I see a very high draft pick like they have the three years that Jones has started.. Brace yourselves football is coming and the Giants still are bottom dwellers.. I have to admit I was wrong, he is a nice back up but one play he looks like he could do some special things and a play or 2 later he will string 3 or 4 throws together that are all over the place. |
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