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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 9, 2022 12:37:12 GMT -5
That would be an interesting twist.
“Despite best efforts on both sides, we were unable to reach a contract extension with Lamar Jackson. We greatly appreciate how he has handled this process and we are excited about our team with Lamar leading the way. We will continue to work towards a long-term contract after the season but now we are looking forward to a successful 2022 campaign.”
Lamar turned down a contract extension with the Ravens, and will play out his final year into FA in 2023. That said, the Ravens could (most likely will) franchise tag him at about $50M-ish for 2023, BUT, it seems another situation like Russell Wilson and the Seahawks is popping up, and they would rather trade him.
Would the Giants want to reel in a highlight reel QB like Lamar Jackson in Daboll/Kafkas offense long term? Would they be willing to part with draft picks like Denver did IF he gets franchised? Or Will the pay Daniel Jones a franchise type contract if he has a solid year (at least $40M per)? Or do they take their shot in the draft at a QB?
Its a gamble with the way he plays to pay a QB that much money, but Lamar has shown to be a great elite QB at times. In this offense, it could be epic.
Lamar turns only 26 in January 2023.
The former MVP is an injury risk, but if it hits and he stays healthy, man that would be exciting to watch.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 9, 2022 12:40:53 GMT -5
That would be an interesting twist. “Despite best efforts on both sides, we were unable to reach a contract extension with Lamar Jackson. We greatly appreciate how he has handled this process and we are excited about our team with Lamar leading the way. We will continue to work towards a long-term contract after the season but now we are looking forward to a successful 2022 campaign.” Lamar turned down a contract extension with the Ravens, and will play out his final year into FA in 2023. That said, the Ravens could (most likely will) franchise tag him at about $50M-ish for 2023, BUT, it seems another situation like Russell Wilson and the Seahawks is popping up, and they would rather trade him. Would the Giants want to reel in a highlight reel QB like Lamar Jackson in Daboll/Kafkas offense long term? Would they be willing to part with draft picks like Denver did IF he gets franchised? Or Will the pay Daniel Jones a franchise type contract if he has a solid year (at least $40M per)? Or do they take their shot in the draft at a QB? Its a gamble with the way he plays to pay a QB that much money, but Lamar has shown to be a great elite QB at times. In this offense, it could be epic. Lamar turns only 26 in January 2023. The former MVP is an injury risk, but if it hits and he stays healthy, man that would be exciting to watch. could be interesting they are down with Jackson as the QB. If Jones has a solid enough season for them to want to franchise him they wouldn't draft a QB. If they like Jackson its a better move then drafting IMO. |
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Post by idkaname on Sept 9, 2022 12:52:38 GMT -5
Yeah let's drop Jones for a stop gap that we have to over pay and 70% of his snaps he puts himself at risk for injury, meanwhile ignoring open receivers and stunting their growth/potential as well. I'm sold
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 9, 2022 12:54:41 GMT -5
I've always thought Jackson has been held back by Roman,his passing philosophy is very limiting in that his qbs are not really allowed more than 1 read or a check off before the qb is instructed to run..
The reason I say this is when Jackson has to throw it due to game circumstances he has show he can do it
He would be great in our system
The issue unfortunately is that Baltimore will franchise him no matter what...and it will take at least 2 first round picks to get him
There are at least 4 teams with multiple 1st round picks next year
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Post by myronguyton29 on Sept 9, 2022 12:59:41 GMT -5
I've always thought Jackson has been held back by Roman,his passing philosophy is very limiting in that his qbs are not really allowed more than 1 read or a check off before the qb is instructed to run.. The reason I say this is when Jackson has to throw it due to game circumstances he has show he can do it He would be great in our system The issue unfortunately is that Baltimore will franchise him no matter what...and it will take at least 2 first round picks to get him There are at least 4 teams with multiple 1st round picks next year i agree he is being held back |
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Post by myronguyton29 on Sept 9, 2022 13:00:35 GMT -5
Yeah let's drop Jones for a stop gap that we have to over pay and 70% of his snaps he puts himself at risk for injury, meanwhile ignoring open receivers and stunting their growth/potential as well. I'm sold Heck they don't throw the ball that much and Roman's system is run oriented hence why no damn recievers want to go there heheheee |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 9, 2022 13:03:25 GMT -5
Yeah let's drop Jones for a stop gap that we have to over pay and 70% of his snaps he puts himself at risk for injury, meanwhile ignoring open receivers and stunting their growth/potential as well. I'm sold I take it you arent a Lamar fan... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2022 13:05:30 GMT -5
I hope not..
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 9, 2022 13:06:59 GMT -5
I've always thought Jackson has been held back by Roman,his passing philosophy is very limiting in that his qbs are not really allowed more than 1 read or a check off before the qb is instructed to run.. The reason I say this is when Jackson has to throw it due to game circumstances he has show he can do it He would be great in our system The issue unfortunately is that Baltimore will franchise him no matter what...and it will take at least 2 first round picks to get him There are at least 4 teams with multiple 1st round picks next year If Daboll and Schoen feel that same way, it might be worth it to trade draft picks for him instead of gambling on an unproven QB in the draft. I know, it take a LOT of balls to do a mega trade like this, but it could make this team dynamic on offense. Sometime you have to take big risks to get big rewards. Tampa Bay with Tom Brady, Denver with Peyton Manning and now Russell Wilson, etc... If our guys LOVE Lamars potential in our offense, 2 first round picks isnt that big of a deal. The problem, and it would be Schoens problem, is getting him on the team and not sacrificing the rest of the team from a salary cap standpoint. |
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Post by idkaname on Sept 9, 2022 13:07:05 GMT -5
Yeah let's drop Jones for a stop gap that we have to over pay and 70% of his snaps he puts himself at risk for injury, meanwhile ignoring open receivers and stunting their growth/potential as well. I'm sold Heck they don't throw the ball that much and Roman's system is run oriented hence why no damn recievers want to go there heheheee Watched Jackson a lot last year, not sure he'll ever be able to get away from his self-induced downside. I've seen numerous plays where he had guys WIDE open but his #1 priority was running with the ball from the start of the play...something like...Snap, look at WR, look down at the Dline slanting inside, instantly tucking the ball and running outside...nobody is holding him back but himself...as last year showed, it catches up to all running QB's and they soon regret not expanding on their other abilities...after it's too late |
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Post by idkaname on Sept 9, 2022 13:08:57 GMT -5
Yeah let's drop Jones for a stop gap that we have to over pay and 70% of his snaps he puts himself at risk for injury, meanwhile ignoring open receivers and stunting their growth/potential as well. I'm sold I take it you arent a Lamar fan... phenomenal talent and has all the tools to be a pocket passer, he just doesn't understand that yet. Again, it's probably too late at this point in his career because imo that crutch builds his confidence |
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Post by myronguyton29 on Sept 9, 2022 13:16:22 GMT -5
Heck they don't throw the ball that much and Roman's system is run oriented hence why no damn recievers want to go there heheheee Watched Jackson a lot last year, not sure he'll ever be able to get away from his self-induced downside. I've seen numerous plays where he had guys WIDE open but his #1 priority was running with the ball from the start of the play...something like...Snap, look at WR, look down at the Dline slanting inside, instantly tucking the ball and running outside...nobody is holding him back but himself...as last year showed, it catches up to all running QB's and they soon regret not expanding on their other abilities...after it's too late well a lot of football folks watch him too and don't agree with your assessment of him wanting to run as a first priority but most agree the system is what it is. Not saying he's a perfect all around qb but I think the he can't do the other things well or doesn't want to isn't true |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 9, 2022 13:17:08 GMT -5
Heck they don't throw the ball that much and Roman's system is run oriented hence why no damn recievers want to go there heheheee Watched Jackson a lot last year, not sure he'll ever be able to get away from his self-induced downside. I've seen numerous plays where he had guys WIDE open but his #1 priority was running with the ball from the start of the play...something like...Snap, look at WR, look down at the Dline slanting inside, instantly tucking the ball and running outside...nobody is holding him back but himself...as last year showed, it catches up to all running QB's and they soon regret not expanding on their other abilities...after it's too late Last year was his worst year. How about his other years where he had more talent around him? He had an MVP performance when he had some help out there. A better year than DJ could dream of. I do think he would benefit in this offense from what I see so far. And Im do think Mike Kafka would work wonders with him. Alot of people said the same things about Patrick Mahomes for a while. Kafka was his QB coach when he took off. |
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Post by cdngfan on Sept 9, 2022 13:17:40 GMT -5
Houston, Atlanta, Seattle.
3 teams that could absolutely suck this year, all have QB as their primary need.
If we suck too then this isn’t as big a deal. But if we’re picking around 10-12 and Schoen doesn’t love Bryce Young, what do you do? The cost for an unknown QB could be as high or higher than for a Lamar Jackson.
I continue to think that it’s not a forgone conclusion that we draft a QB next year if Jones doesn’t work out. I think it’s highly likely but our draft position and the position of other QB needy teams can matter.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 9, 2022 13:18:20 GMT -5
I take it you arent a Lamar fan... phenomenal talent and has all the tools to be a pocket passer, he just doesn't understand that yet. Again, it's probably too late at this point in his career because imo that crutch builds his confidence Eh, he is 25. He certainly can work on it more and evolve into a better QB. Most QBs do. He will always have that escape-ability though. |
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Post by idkaname on Sept 9, 2022 13:20:39 GMT -5
phenomenal talent and has all the tools to be a pocket passer, he just doesn't understand that yet. Again, it's probably too late at this point in his career because imo that crutch builds his confidence Eh, he is 25. He certainly can work on it more and evolve into a better QB. Most QBs do. He will always have that escape-ability though. Name one NFL champion QB with Lamar's Skillset, all I need to agree he would be a good choice |
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Post by McCherry on Sept 9, 2022 13:20:45 GMT -5
I wouldn't be interested at all, but I wonder exactly what numbers Jackson turned down?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 9, 2022 13:23:04 GMT -5
That would be an interesting twist. “Despite best efforts on both sides, we were unable to reach a contract extension with Lamar Jackson. We greatly appreciate how he has handled this process and we are excited about our team with Lamar leading the way. We will continue to work towards a long-term contract after the season but now we are looking forward to a successful 2022 campaign.” Lamar turned down a contract extension with the Ravens, and will play out his final year into FA in 2023. That said, the Ravens could (most likely will) franchise tag him at about $50M-ish for 2023, BUT, it seems another situation like Russell Wilson and the Seahawks is popping up, and they would rather trade him. Would the Giants want to reel in a highlight reel QB like Lamar Jackson in Daboll/Kafkas offense long term? Would they be willing to part with draft picks like Denver did IF he gets franchised? Or Will the pay Daniel Jones a franchise type contract if he has a solid year (at least $40M per)? Or do they take their shot in the draft at a QB? Its a gamble with the way he plays to pay a QB that much money, but Lamar has shown to be a great elite QB at times. In this offense, it could be epic. Lamar turns only 26 in January 2023. The former MVP is an injury risk, but if it hits and he stays healthy, man that would be exciting to watch. It depends nohow Daboll feels about his accuracy if he can do what Allen did and get right, As far as Jones goes I think if he has a good year the might do a kurt Cousins with him franchise him and make him do again with no long term commitment |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 9, 2022 13:27:11 GMT -5
Eh, he is 25. He certainly can work on it more and evolve into a better QB. Most QBs do. He will always have that escape-ability though. Name one NFL champion QB with Lamar's Skillset, all I need to agree he would be a good choice Patrick Mahomes? Although I admit, Lamar isnt the passer Mahomes is YET. And that could be due to coaching. Andy Reid is a QB magician. If you dont like that, the only other QB with his skillset might be Mike Vick, although believe it or not, Lamar is putting up better numbers than Vick ever did. I thought Lamar would not be a good passer at all when he came out. I then watched him, and corrected myself. He is pretty accurate. Has a cannon. And legs like a deer. Does he need to sharpen his sword on some aspects? Sure. Thats where you hope Daboll and Kafka come into play and make him reach his potential. Im not 100% saying lets do it, just throwing out the idea and how it would work if it did happen. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 9, 2022 13:29:10 GMT -5
Houston, Atlanta, Seattle. 3 teams that could absolutely suck this year, all have QB as their primary need. If we suck too then this isn’t as big a deal. But if we’re picking around 10-12 and Schoen doesn’t love Bryce Young, what do you do? The cost for an unknown QB could be as high or higher than for a Lamar Jackson. I continue to think that it’s not a forgone conclusion that we draft a QB next year if Jones doesn’t work out. I think it’s highly likely but our draft position and the position of other QB needy teams can matter. I agree if Jones doesn't show quite a bit I think he is gone, not sure how many solid candidates there are in this draft seen lists of 7 or 8. Kid from Florida might be a riser, I think they will be in position to get one Think Atlanta thinks they might have their guy isn't Ridder there. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2022 13:31:09 GMT -5
Name one NFL champion QB with Lamar's Skillset, all I need to agree he would be a good choice Patrick Mahomes? Although I admit, Lamar isnt the passer Mahomes is YET. And that could be due to coaching. Andy Reid is a QB magician. If you dont like that, the only other QB with his skillset might be Mike Vick, although believe it or not, Lamar is putting up better numbers than Vick ever did. I thought Lamar would not be a good passer at all when he came out. I then watched him, and corrected myself. He is pretty accurate. Has a cannon. And legs like a deer. Does he need to sharpen his sword on some aspects? Sure. Thats where you hope Daboll and Kafka come into play and make him reach his potential. Im not 100% saying lets do it, just throwing out the idea and how it would work if it did happen. Mahomes's mental game and passing abilities are the best in the league. Not sure where Lamar's is in comparison but I haven't seen Lamar choke with a game on the line so that's a good thing. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Sept 9, 2022 13:34:59 GMT -5
I wouldn't be interested at all, but I wonder exactly what numbers Jackson turned down? on NFL Network they were saying he is looking for a Watson like deal, fully guaranteed. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 9, 2022 13:41:37 GMT -5
I wouldn't be interested at all, but I wonder exactly what numbers Jackson turned down? on NFL Network they were saying he is looking for a Watson like deal, fully guaranteed. There is the Watson effect... That deal is going to be an issue. Although, was Russell Wilsons deal fully guaranteed? |
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Post by Fletch842 on Sept 9, 2022 13:44:06 GMT -5
on NFL Network they were saying he is looking for a Watson like deal, fully guaranteed. There is the Watson effect... That deal is going to be an issue. Although, was Russell Wilsons deal fully guaranteed? nope, it was not, but Lamar represents himself, so it's really difficult to predict what he'll do. |
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Post by DJones19 on Sept 9, 2022 13:48:23 GMT -5
Jackson said one of his main goals is to "become a billionaire" ...not sure if his priorities are in the right place...similar QBs like RG3 rise and fell in a blink of an eye.
...and now he can't agreed on contract.
couldn't stay healthy last year...All-Pro player early in the career but I I'm having a hard time seeing sustained success for a lot of years with him.
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Post by Providence on Sept 9, 2022 13:56:14 GMT -5
Jackson said one of his main goals is to "become a billionaire" ...not sure if his priorities are in the right place...similar QBs like RG3 rise and fell in a blink of an eye. ...and now he can't agreed on contract. couldn't stay healthy last year...All-Pro player early in the career but I I'm having a hard time seeing sustained success for a lot of years with him. Questioning the priorities of an athlete as accomplished as Lamar Jackson is ludicrous. So what if the guy has sights beyond football? Aaron Rogers was doing commercials for State Farm ages ago and no one was questioning whether his head was in the game or not. |
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Post by idkaname on Sept 9, 2022 13:58:11 GMT -5
Name one NFL champion QB with Lamar's Skillset, all I need to agree he would be a good choice Patrick Mahomes? Although I admit, Lamar isnt the passer Mahomes is YET. And that could be due to coaching. Andy Reid is a QB magician. If you dont like that, the only other QB with his skillset might be Mike Vick, although believe it or not, Lamar is putting up better numbers than Vick ever did. I thought Lamar would not be a good passer at all when he came out. I then watched him, and corrected myself. He is pretty accurate. Has a cannon. And legs like a deer. Does he need to sharpen his sword on some aspects? Sure. Thats where you hope Daboll and Kafka come into play and make him reach his potential. Im not 100% saying lets do it, just throwing out the idea and how it would work if it did happen. I agree with everything you said except for 2 things. "YET" part and "Andy Reid QB magician"...1. he will NEVER be a better passer than Mahomes and 2. When did he ever groom a QB?(outside of the most gifted QB's ever in Mahomes?) |
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Post by DJones19 on Sept 9, 2022 14:03:07 GMT -5
Jackson said one of his main goals is to "become a billionaire" ...not sure if his priorities are in the right place...similar QBs like RG3 rise and fell in a blink of an eye. ...and now he can't agreed on contract. couldn't stay healthy last year...All-Pro player early in the career but I I'm having a hard time seeing sustained success for a lot of years with him. Questioning the priorities of an athlete as accomplished as Lamar Jackson is ludicrous. So what if the guy has sights beyond football? Aaron Rogers was doing commercials for State Farm ages ago and no one was questioning whether his head was in the game or not. 1-3 in the playoffs. 1 more win than Jones. far from billionaire quality....looks like the Ravens agree. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 9, 2022 14:07:40 GMT -5
Patrick Mahomes? Although I admit, Lamar isnt the passer Mahomes is YET. And that could be due to coaching. Andy Reid is a QB magician. If you dont like that, the only other QB with his skillset might be Mike Vick, although believe it or not, Lamar is putting up better numbers than Vick ever did. I thought Lamar would not be a good passer at all when he came out. I then watched him, and corrected myself. He is pretty accurate. Has a cannon. And legs like a deer. Does he need to sharpen his sword on some aspects? Sure. Thats where you hope Daboll and Kafka come into play and make him reach his potential. Im not 100% saying lets do it, just throwing out the idea and how it would work if it did happen. I agree with everything you said except for 2 things. "YET" part and "Andy Reid QB magician"...1. he will NEVER be a better passer than Mahomes and 2. When did he ever groom a QB?(outside of the most gifted QB's ever in Mahomes?) I dont know his level of grooming, but he worked with Brett Favre from 1992 (Favres rookie year)-1998 (QB Coach), Donavan McNabb from 1999 (McNabbs rookie year) to 2009, and got Alex Smith and made him reach his best potential in 2013 for 5 years, and then Patrick Mahomes from 2017 (his rookie year) till now. Is that good enough? |
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Post by Martin on Sept 9, 2022 14:41:52 GMT -5
I don't believe this would happen. The Giants are playing catch up with building a team. There are behind on money and talent. Giving LJackson God knows how much he would want would probably set the team back. If DJ is not the guy find the franchise QB through the draft while building all the pieces around a QB whether DJ or another young QB. I'm on record its a mistake. I'm sure there are others who would pull the trigger but not me. L Jackson will take one bad hit and then bye bye career. I pass.
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