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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 9, 2022 15:11:49 GMT -5
I don't believe this would happen. The Giants are playing catch up with building a team. There are behind on money and talent. Giving LJackson God knows how much he would want would probably set the team back. If DJ is not the guy find the franchise QB through the draft while building all the pieces around a QB whether DJ or another young QB. I'm on record its a mistake. I'm sure there are others who would pull the trigger but not me. L Jackson will take one bad hit and then bye bye career. I pass. I understand that logic 100%, but, if Lamar put sup another MVP campaign, how do you say no to acquiring an multiple MVP QB at age 26? I would go all in on that for real IF DJ is average at best again this season and unreliable. Not only that, but no mater what you pay him, he would instantly feed that money plus much more into the business and create a huge profit margin for the pencil pushers in the offices.
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Post by mendy on Sept 9, 2022 15:19:00 GMT -5
Yeah let's drop Jones for a stop gap that we have to over pay and 70% of his snaps he puts himself at risk for injury, meanwhile ignoring open receivers and stunting their growth/potential as well. I'm sold I tend to be in this court on LJ , maybe not as harsh but not a fan.
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Post by snyder55 on Sept 9, 2022 15:23:07 GMT -5
I don't believe this would happen. The Giants are playing catch up with building a team. There are behind on money and talent. Giving LJackson God knows how much he would want would probably set the team back. If DJ is not the guy find the franchise QB through the draft while building all the pieces around a QB whether DJ or another young QB. I'm on record its a mistake. I'm sure there are others who would pull the trigger but not me. L Jackson will take one bad hit and then bye bye career. I pass. at this point I absolutely think we have to build through the draft, we're already seeing first hand what cap hell looks like...
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Post by Vandelay on Sept 9, 2022 15:33:48 GMT -5
This certainly is interesting. Now why is Baltimore playing games with him when getting and developing a franchise QB Is such a struggle ? I have to believe they think he can very easily end up like Cam Newton and just wear himself out Within a couple of years and they’ll be on the hook for a huge contract. Even if Jones doesn’t cut it this year, Giants might not panic next year in the draft if they don’t like anybody. Tyrod T. has a two year contract for a reason..
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Post by southerner on Sept 9, 2022 16:03:44 GMT -5
The Giants should look into it, but Lamar is a mediocre passer at best and would require Dabol to change the offense, so in the end it will not happen…..at this point I think the Giants are dead set on one of the many QBs with talent in the 2023 draft. They will be looking for the bigger, stronger type that can take some punishment and with a very strong arm.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 9, 2022 16:37:08 GMT -5
There is the Watson effect... That deal is going to be an issue. Although, was Russell Wilsons deal fully guaranteed? nope, it was not, but Lamar represents himself, so it's really difficult to predict what he'll do. Historically, that has not gone well for players.
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Post by TEM on Sept 9, 2022 16:47:09 GMT -5
A big no to Lamar . He is a Fantasy QB . Yes is good at that.
As An NFL QB, IMO: He is a glorified RB that can throw a football.
Now with My opinions said. Here is the question.
The Ravens (and they have a solid proven FO) If they do not want to overpay him. Why should Schoen?
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Post by mendy on Sept 9, 2022 17:10:36 GMT -5
This certainly is interesting. Now why is Baltimore playing games with him when getting and developing a franchise QB Is such a struggle ? I have to believe they think he can very easily end up like Cam Newton and just wear himself out Within a couple of years and they’ll be on the hook for a huge contract. Even if Jones doesn’t cut it this year, Giants might not panic next year in the draft if they don’t like anybody. Tyrod T. has a two year contract for a reason.. Games, what games??? He is his own agent and they did offer him Kyler money but he wants it all guaranteed , Ravens are smart, .............let him walk. Just becuase other teams were stupid doesn't mean they all must be.
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Post by SG88 on Sept 9, 2022 20:53:30 GMT -5
They should, but Baltimore is going to franchise him if they can't reach a deal. I respect him for representing himself and not wasting money on an agenda-driven agent.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 9, 2022 21:01:28 GMT -5
A big no to Lamar . He is a Fantasy QB . Yes is good at that. As An NFL QB, IMO: He is a glorified RB that can throw a football. Now with My opinions said. Here is the question. The Ravens (and they have a solid proven FO) If they do not want to overpay him. Why should Schoen. I think like Russell Wilson in Seattle, there was a falling out. Some bad blood. It won't shock me if they tag and trade him this off season.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 9, 2022 22:40:36 GMT -5
I've always thought Jackson has been held back by Roman,his passing philosophy is very limiting in that his qbs are not really allowed more than 1 read or a check off before the qb is instructed to run.. The reason I say this is when Jackson has to throw it due to game circumstances he has show he can do it He would be great in our system The issue unfortunately is that Baltimore will franchise him no matter what...and it will take at least 2 first round picks to get him There are at least 4 teams with multiple 1st round picks next year If Daboll and Schoen feel that same way, it might be worth it to trade draft picks for him instead of gambling on an unproven QB in the draft. I know, it take a LOT of balls to do a mega trade like this, but it could make this team dynamic on offense. Sometime you have to take big risks to get big rewards. Tampa Bay with Tom Brady, Denver with Peyton Manning and now Russell Wilson, etc... If our guys LOVE Lamars potential in our offense, 2 first round picks isnt that big of a deal. The problem, and it would be Schoens problem, is getting him on the team and not sacrificing the rest of the team from a salary cap standpoint. These are the options you have to weigh out.. Will take 3 1sts....(that's what Watson cost) Probably plus if a team like the Eagles get in on the bidding Are we a qb away? Honestly If you can promise me these other things happen 1.O line looks legit like it's going to be a really good unit in 2023 2.Toney become the ultimate dynamic playmaker we think he can and stays relatively healthy 3.Wandale also becomes a legit dynamic playmaker 4.Bellinger is a good 2 way TE 5.our front 7 including Crowder looks good 6.you can promise me Schoen can harvest future starters and depth days 2 and 3 the next few years Yes Go all in
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 9, 2022 22:45:13 GMT -5
I get why he's not re-signed yet. He's a really good QB...worth big money. But his style if play means he can't have a long career doing what he does. Cam Newton is a big strong guy and he lasted a total of 10 years. Lamar, for all his gifts, which are plenty, is a slightly built guy who must be a running QB to be what makes him great. Any team would probably be on the hook for years if they signed him to a long term deal. His style of play is his undoing, regarding a long term deal.
Too bad because he's a special player.
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Post by lt56 on Sept 10, 2022 0:40:22 GMT -5
Exclusive Tag, Franchise Tag, he not going anywhere anytime soon unless they trade him
I enjoy watching Jackson play BUT I need to see him improve and become more consistent with his accuracy and passing overall. I will be honest, at times Ravens Offense look just as good if not better with Huntley at QB especially the Passing Attack
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Post by solomonphoenix56 on Sept 10, 2022 2:03:21 GMT -5
I don't believe this would happen. The Giants are playing catch up with building a team. There are behind on money and talent. Giving LJackson God knows how much he would want would probably set the team back. If DJ is not the guy find the franchise QB through the draft while building all the pieces around a QB whether DJ or another young QB. I'm on record its a mistake. I'm sure there are others who would pull the trigger but not me. L Jackson will take one bad hit and then bye bye career. I pass. Any QB can take a bad hit and have their career ended at any point. Do you think it's more likely to happen to Lamar because of the running he does?
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Post by GameTime on Sept 10, 2022 5:10:43 GMT -5
after thinkng about more...
no thanks
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Post by TEM on Sept 10, 2022 6:29:27 GMT -5
A big no to Lamar . He is a Fantasy QB . Yes is good at that. As An NFL QB, IMO: He is a glorified RB that can throw a football. Now with My opinions said. Here is the question. The Ravens (and they have a solid proven FO) If they do not want to overpay him. Why should Schoen. I think like Russell Wilson in Seattle, there was a falling out. Some bad blood. It won't shock me if they tag and trade him this off season. Seattle paid Willson. They felt he was worth it.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 10, 2022 6:31:30 GMT -5
Exclusive Tag, Franchise Tag, he not going anywhere anytime soon unless they trade him I enjoy watching Jackson play BUT I need to see him improve and become more consistent with his accuracy and passing overall. I will be honest, at times Ravens Offense look just as good if not better with Huntley at QB especially the Passing AttackI think that is why they aren't bending here. Huntley has looked good.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 10, 2022 6:33:42 GMT -5
I think like Russell Wilson in Seattle, there was a falling out. Some bad blood. It won't shock me if they tag and trade him this off season. Seattle paid Willson. They felt he was worth it. Yes. The falling out happened after they paid him. Like us with OBJ.
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Post by mendy on Sept 10, 2022 6:36:34 GMT -5
I get why he's not re-signed yet. He's a really good QB...worth big money. But his style if play means he can't have a long career doing what he does. Cam Newton is a big strong guy and he lasted a total of 10 years. Lamar, for all his gifts, which are plenty, is a slightly built guy who must be a running QB to be what makes him great. Any team would probably be on the hook for years if they signed him to a long term deal. His style of play is his undoing, regarding a long term deal. Too bad because he's a special player. The Ravens offered him Kyler money, he wants it fully guaranteed and the Ravens won't do that they aren't as stupid as some other teams. I think they would do about 150 million guaranteed. He is his own agent that is why he is unsigned.
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Post by Fletch842 on Sept 10, 2022 6:43:44 GMT -5
Exclusive Tag, Franchise Tag, he not going anywhere anytime soon unless they trade him I enjoy watching Jackson play BUT I need to see him improve and become more consistent with his accuracy and passing overall. I will be honest, at times Ravens Offense look just as good if not better with Huntley at QB especially the Passing AttackI think that is why they aren't bending here. Huntley has looked good. To me, he looked ok at times, but I thought the overall play was lacking something if judging him by starter standards. Excellent back up for sure. Lamar is playing with fire, not sure any other owners will be as foolish as the Browns with that fully guaranteed contract. He may not get that from anyone (although it only takes one owner...). As said earlier, the fact that he represents himself only complicates the whole process.
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Post by giantsalmon on Sept 10, 2022 7:31:56 GMT -5
Jackson said one of his main goals is to "become a billionaire" ...not sure if his priorities are in the right place...similar QBs like RG3 rise and fell in a blink of an eye. ...and now he can't agreed on contract. couldn't stay healthy last year...All-Pro player early in the career but I I'm having a hard time seeing sustained success for a lot of years with him. I wasn't a fan when he came out but he has earned my respect to be SOMEONE ELSES QUARTERBACK. Definitely accuracy concerns and his style of play is unsustainable. Just say no.
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Post by DJones19 on Sept 10, 2022 9:16:08 GMT -5
Jackson said one of his main goals is to "become a billionaire" ...not sure if his priorities are in the right place...similar QBs like RG3 rise and fell in a blink of an eye. ...and now he can't agreed on contract. couldn't stay healthy last year...All-Pro player early in the career but I I'm having a hard time seeing sustained success for a lot of years with him. I wasn't a fan when he came out but he has earned my respect to be SOMEONE ELSES QUARTERBACK. Definitely accuracy concerns and his style of play is unsustainable. Just say no. Exactly. Great QB early in his career but can he sustain his running style? Last year he couldn't. I questioned Deshaun Watson and got killed for it on here...because it seemed like Deshaun wanted to be GM for his team and pick the players and pay himself a lot. Just thought it was odd that Jackson's first goal he mentioned after a disappointing season was to become a billionaire.
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Post by Martin on Sept 10, 2022 9:40:46 GMT -5
I don't believe this would happen. The Giants are playing catch up with building a team. There are behind on money and talent. Giving LJackson God knows how much he would want would probably set the team back. If DJ is not the guy find the franchise QB through the draft while building all the pieces around a QB whether DJ or another young QB. I'm on record its a mistake. I'm sure there are others who would pull the trigger but not me. L Jackson will take one bad hit and then bye bye career. I pass. I understand that logic 100%, but, if Lamar put sup another MVP campaign, how do you say no to acquiring an multiple MVP QB at age 26? I would go all in on that for real IF DJ is average at best again this season and unreliable. Not only that, but no mater what you pay him, he would instantly feed that money plus much more into the business and create a huge profit margin for the pencil pushers in the offices. Where the team is right now plays heavily into. Then add his style of play and I personally would prefer the new GM and HC to grow the next QB (if DJ doesn't cut ) LJ is very talented no doubt but I would say no because a lot of his style is heavy running. Just me but I do respect your opinion. ( a long time too)
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Post by Martin on Sept 10, 2022 9:43:01 GMT -5
I don't believe this would happen. The Giants are playing catch up with building a team. There are behind on money and talent. Giving LJackson God knows how much he would want would probably set the team back. If DJ is not the guy find the franchise QB through the draft while building all the pieces around a QB whether DJ or another young QB. I'm on record its a mistake. I'm sure there are others who would pull the trigger but not me. L Jackson will take one bad hit and then bye bye career. I pass. at this point I absolutely think we have to build through the draft, we're already seeing first hand what cap hell looks like... Agreed Let the new GM and HC find there young talented players.
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Post by snyder55 on Sept 10, 2022 9:48:41 GMT -5
They should, but Baltimore is going to franchise him if they can't reach a deal. I respect him for representing himself and not wasting money on an agenda-driven agent. people need to understand that ALL agents are in it for the money first and client second and it looks like Jackson understands that...
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 10, 2022 9:48:52 GMT -5
I understand that logic 100%, but, if Lamar put sup another MVP campaign, how do you say no to acquiring an multiple MVP QB at age 26? I would go all in on that for real IF DJ is average at best again this season and unreliable. Not only that, but no mater what you pay him, he would instantly feed that money plus much more into the business and create a huge profit margin for the pencil pushers in the offices. Where the team is right now plays heavily into. Then add his style of play and I personally would prefer the new GM and HC to grow the next QB (if DJ doesn't cut ) LJ is very talented no doubt but I would say no because a lot of his style is heavy running. Just me but I do respect your opinion. ( a long time too) I definitely understand. I was all against running QBs forever. Buuuuuuut, it's a new league. Even DJ without his running is practically useless. QBs need to run these days. They need to be elusive. And Lamar is the best at it. That said, he isn't the best passer but I would think Daboll/Kafka would adjust for that. We all have seen what Lamar can do, on the ground and the air.
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Post by Martin on Sept 10, 2022 9:50:52 GMT -5
I don't believe this would happen. The Giants are playing catch up with building a team. There are behind on money and talent. Giving LJackson God knows how much he would want would probably set the team back. If DJ is not the guy find the franchise QB through the draft while building all the pieces around a QB whether DJ or another young QB. I'm on record its a mistake. I'm sure there are others who would pull the trigger but not me. L Jackson will take one bad hit and then bye bye career. I pass. Any QB can take a bad hit and have their career ended at any point. Do you think it's more likely to happen to Lamar because of the running he does? I do. Its the amount of running and statistics. The more the QB runs the more chances of injury. If the Bills are not careful Josh A. could be effected as well. I am not a fan of heavy based running QB's especially between the guards and tackles. Off the edge and to the side line is better. And this doesn't mean that I am against all running its how its done. Just an opinion of course but how many times do you hear "protect the QB" well if that saying is true then running exposed needs to be done with caution.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Sept 10, 2022 9:59:13 GMT -5
Jackson makes an offense work. He is the fastest man on the field 99% of the time. He can throw accurately in the middle of the field, you beat him by making him throw outside.
The Ravens run game of course is the best or as good as the best. Andrews their TE is deadly, Dobbins and Edwards both coming off ACL injuries are very good RB's especially in the double TE offense. Plus Jackson option pass/run. It's powerful plus game controlling they usually have the ball 35-40 minutes per game.
They have to draft WR's because no big time receivers are going to that offense.
Jackson would make our offense dynamic also. IMHO him and Barkley would be scary. Blue would need a big OG run blocker to go with our bookend OT's, and a strong player at TE. A WR would be great but that would be the 3rd priority on offense at best imo.
Build the defense stronger and stronger of course. 50 mil a year for Lamar to consider the Giants, cap hell and we lose at least 2-3 1st rd picks or we wait 2 years till after the Ravens franchise him next year.
To me just a dream but you never know.
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Post by jb456 on Sept 10, 2022 10:18:52 GMT -5
Jackson makes an offense work. He is the fastest man on the field 99% of the time. He can throw accurately in the middle of the field, you beat him by making him throw outside. The Ravens run game of course is the best or as good as the best. Andrews their TE is deadly, Dobbins and Edwards both coming off ACL injuries are very good RB's especially in the double TE offense. Plus Jackson option pass/run. It's powerful plus game controlling they usually have the ball 35-40 minutes per game. They have to draft WR's because no big time receivers are going to that offense. Jackson would make our offense dynamic also. IMHO him and Barkley would be scary. Blue would need a big OG run blocker to go with our bookend OT's, and a strong player at TE. A WR would be great but that would be the 3rd priority on offense at best imo. Build the defense stronger and stronger of course. 50 mil a year for Lamar to consider the Giants, cap hell and we lose at least 2-3 1st rd picks or we wait 2 years till after the Ravens franchise him next year. To me just a dream but you never know. Barkley won’t even be on the team next year but Jackson would be a huge upgrade. The only problem would be that the Giants have zero chance of getting him since there are a bunch of QB hungry teams with much more draft capital next year. This idea is dead on arrival.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 10, 2022 11:08:47 GMT -5
Teams would get in line to sign him.. don’t let his running fool you, the kid can play the quarterback position. Again, anyone who discredits his ability is either so infatuated with Jones that they can’t see their nose in front of their face, or is an idiot. His playoff record doesn’t faze me either, Eli Manning was a bum before his magical run of ‘07.
The question is, besides mortgaging your future to sign him. Are you willing to build your scheme and roster to fit his strong attributes? Because, for him to play up to his MVP status, you have to do what best fits him. Different blocking schemes, shorter passing routes. He would be a solid addition to us, and would certainly make up players in this league. Average players don’t win league MVP’s, they win player of the week awards.
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