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Post by SG88 on Oct 30, 2022 22:10:18 GMT -5
Im happy for Geno Smith. The Eli cultists (they know exactly who they are and some of them are on here) treated him like trash because the coach and GM at the time gave him the start over their love interest. WTF was Smith supposed to do, turn down the opportunity? I was at that game in Oakland and this fan base embarrassed themselves at the time.
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Oct 30, 2022 22:10:21 GMT -5
Oh Please. Geno isn't saying this shit if they lose the game. He's making this win way more than it is. Seattle ain't extending him beyond this year and they won't do shit in the playoffs. Good for Geno sticking around the NFL when most guys would fizzle after the career he had, but this little "revenge" tour he thinks he's on is all in his head. Giants fans never wanted him. Jets fans never wanted him. We didn't want him then. We don't want him now. He ran into a team with 2 elite WRs and a solid running game. More power to Carroll for building a style of play that suits him. And nows hes a better QB than the first round selections the Jets/Giants made after they got rid of him Who could have guessed that one? Looks like Genos laughing last. Eh. What success has Geno had? He won today. Big deal. He's a journeyman. All he'll ever be. Maybe he's better than Jones. Maybe not. He's had a career of teams around him better than any Jones ever been paired with and had the same lack of success...no playoffs, no franchise QB...but been around for double the time. Seattle is in the same boat as us. An over performing QB you don't want to commit to.
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Post by thetruth on Oct 30, 2022 22:10:29 GMT -5
Ereck Flowers and Eli Apple are his worst picks and both are currently average starters in the NFL. Flowers being an above average LG, Eli Apple a starting CB on the Bengals. Adrien Robinson (4th round), Rhett Bomar(really? 5th round), Travis Beckham (3rd round), and Ryan Nassib (4th round) are your next best examples. Want to do better? Why not Andre Woodson?? (5th round?) why stop at these mid rounders? Near equals? in which way? one is the best GM in Giants history, the other the worst.. care to explain? Help me breakdown Gettlemens FA which are at almost 0%, compare that with Jerry Reese. Also help me understand why we didn't get more from Gettlemens draft classes? the average pick was ~10th, JR's 20th. JR drafted two legitimate Stars despite this in OBJ and JPP. What on earth has Gettlemen done? Do you people even know the history of the team you support? Man. Not smart Lmao Flowers was supposed to be Andrew Thomas I'm naming guys. You need your middle and laye round picks to produce. Just like they did in 2007 and 2008.. I can name a number of good Reese pick ups. Even guys like Will Hill. Too bad that never worked out. But he was a baller. I even defended him on th David Wilson, who was actually kinda similar to Barkley. Gettleman, Reese and Accorsi played crucial roles in building those Super Bowl winners. It's why I say they are NEAR equals. Without Gettleman you don't get players like O'Hara. I felt like Reese inherited a great structure and kinda squandered it away after a few years But hey, he is definitely one of the all time best in giants history. No doubt! But I am just balanced. Gettleman had plenty of **** ups. But he also inherited a giant mess. And he did help acquire good players for those super bowl winners. And he did help the Panthers get to a super bowl. Getty inherited a great team in Carolina, took it apart and left it in shambles It’s like what Giants fans think JR did. Without understanding JR ran all of Accorsis good drafts. Prior to him they were trash Gentlemen is a plug that couldn’t evaluate talent if it hit him the face. Currently, 30% of our teams cap is either golloday or not on this roster because of Getty’s blunders. JR left Getty with a heck of a lot more than Getty left Scheon 👍
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Post by moecoastie on Oct 30, 2022 22:26:35 GMT -5
Geno earned the right to say what he wants Giants fans didnt believe in him , Macadoo did...... With the way Geno is so passive aggressive...not sure how long he would have lasted here
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 30, 2022 22:30:16 GMT -5
Im happy for Geno Smith. The Eli cultists (they know exactly who they are and some of them are on here) treated him like trash because the coach and GM at the time gave him the start over their love interest. WTF was Smith supposed to do, turn down the opportunity? I was at that game in Oakland and this fan base embarrassed themselves at the time. The entire "Eli protest" was THE low point for Giants fans. But it was even lower for John Mara. He gave into the mob. It was embarrassing.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Oct 30, 2022 22:48:57 GMT -5
Giants fans didnt believe in him , Macadoo did...... With the way Geno is so passive aggressive...not sure how long he would have lasted here well if the fan base wasnt threating to kill his dad and burn down the stadium ..... maybe he wouldnt be like that?
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Post by moecoastie on Oct 30, 2022 23:10:54 GMT -5
With the way Geno is so passive aggressive...not sure how long he would have lasted here well if the fan base wasnt threating to kill his dad and burn down the stadium ..... maybe he wouldnt be like that? its been said many times, NY isnt for everyone
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Post by grayphoenix on Oct 30, 2022 23:11:01 GMT -5
So he's actually saying it in appreciation of those two then? That's the way I see it. McAdoo and Reese gave him the opportunity. Makes sense. I totally misinterpreted it when I first read it.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Oct 30, 2022 23:18:40 GMT -5
well if the fan base wasnt threating to kill his dad and burn down the stadium ..... maybe he wouldnt be like that? its been said many times, NY isnt for everyone lol
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Post by lt56 on Oct 30, 2022 23:25:56 GMT -5
I have nothing against Geno, glad to see him playing well and wish him the best but yeah when he was here it was a absolute disaster
Confirmation that Mara stepped in and made them put Eli back in I guess but that is the past we're moving forward currently sitting at 6-2 going into the bye week
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Oct 31, 2022 1:23:30 GMT -5
These mfers didnt believe in him , but god did..... get your crap together and go harder because he believed!!!!!
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Post by cdngfan on Oct 31, 2022 1:48:58 GMT -5
I’m happy for a journeyman backup like Gino that he’s having a moment. No sarcasm.
But that’s a silly dedication.
“Thank you for giving me an opportunity to stink the place out”.
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Post by TCHOF on Oct 31, 2022 4:39:00 GMT -5
Honestly he sealed his fate as a future NYG QB when he used his one presser as a Giant starter to bash Rex Ryan. Just not how NYG likes to have their QBs operate. He’s always had a knack for saying dumb shit … hence, today’s quote
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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 31, 2022 6:24:26 GMT -5
Oh Please. Geno isn't saying this shit if they lose the game. He's making this win way more than it is. Seattle ain't extending him beyond this year and they won't do shit in the playoffs. Good for Geno sticking around the NFL when most guys would fizzle after the career he had, but this little "revenge" tour he thinks he's on is all in his head. Giants fans never wanted him. Jets fans never wanted him. We didn't want him then. We don't want him now. He ran into a team with 2 elite WRs and a solid running game. More power to Carroll for building a style of play that suits him. exactly its all about right situation and right place. If you swapped him and DJ yesterday, he'd look like shit likely with our Roster yesterday; though DJ didn't look like shit and is better than Geno IMO.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 31, 2022 6:51:04 GMT -5
Im happy for Geno Smith. The Eli cultists (they know exactly who they are and some of them are on here) treated him like trash because the coach and GM at the time gave him the start over their love interest. WTF was Smith supposed to do, turn down the opportunity? I was at that game in Oakland and this fan base embarrassed themselves at the time. i'm not happy that the bum beat us lol
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Post by imgrate on Oct 31, 2022 7:09:33 GMT -5
Lmao they both assembled that core team from 2004-2011 For every JPP I can name Rhett Bomar, Adrien Robinson, Travis Beckum, Ryan Nassib, Ereck Flowers, Eli Apple...do you really have to make me go on? So many bad examples after 2009. Linval was a good pick in 2010. Who else? I can't recall any from that year. Eli Apple alone..at the time such a bad pick. How about someone to scare QBs or protect your clutch franchise QB who was coming off a career year in 2015, and then showing up in the playoffs in 2016 when the rest of the team had their heads up their asses?? I see them as near equals. Reese has two Super bowls as GM. Gettleman was there and played his part..then had success in Carolina Did you forget that Reese put the giants in cap hell multiple times with bloated, long FA contracts? Including most egregiously 2016, which actually hamstrung Gettleman? Ereck Flowers and Eli Apple are his worst picks and both are currently average starters in the NFL. Flowers being an above average LG, Eli Apple a starting CB on the Bengals. Adrien Robinson (4th round), Rhett Bomar(really? 5th round), Travis Beckham (3rd round), and Ryan Nassib (4th round) are your next best examples. Want to do better? Why not Andre Woodson?? (5th round?) why stop at these mid rounders? Near equals? in which way? one is the best GM in Giants history, the other the worst.. care to explain? JR drafted WR's, fantastic ones every other year. A long with DTs (2nd round picks) without every overpaying for one. His first/second round picks are almost all hits, the mid-rounders were in Marc Ross's hands and yes, bad hire. Can't let him run the draft (you know, how JR made Accorsi's drafts respectable, Ross couldn't do the same for JR) Help me breakdown Gettlemens FA which are at almost 0%, compare that with Jerry Reese. Also help me understand why we didn't get more from Gettlemens draft classes? the average pick was ~10th, JR's 20th. JR drafted two legitimate Stars despite this in OBJ and JPP. What on earth has Gettlemen done? 10 spots better draft selection, for, what he do with it? Do you people even know the history of the team you support? Man. Not smart, just emotional. Check your facts and come back to me. And please be better Flowers looked like he was turning career around, but he’s currently not on a team Also, jr started drafting very poorly from a resource allocation standpoint, not just talent misevals… drafting rb and te in first round
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Oct 31, 2022 7:11:10 GMT -5
The guy is having one good year and he's gotta bring up something that happened 5 years ago?
What an asshole.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 31, 2022 7:53:51 GMT -5
The guy is having one good year and he's gotta bring up something that happened 5 years ago? What an asshole. He has always been that way. I remember when he was the QB at West Virginia and they were playing Syracuse and he said that it would be an easy win. Cuse wound up beating the snot out of them, and making him look really bad.
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Post by DJones19 on Oct 31, 2022 8:07:01 GMT -5
McAdoo just wanted the QBs to compete...seemed sensible to me at the time..especially considering Geno was basically playing for free (1 million dollar contract) - sometimes I imagine the rebuild we could have done with that team-friendly contract...but got it wasn't going to happen because Geno got punched in the face and had a bad reputation, etc.
Just saying because I've had to endure 5 years of pitiful football since the threats/letters to Mara which probably helped shape the team-building philosophy over the last few years with Gettleman.
6-2 now..so liking where the team is at. Seems like we have a competent coach and GM...finally out of hell.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 31, 2022 8:31:41 GMT -5
Geno earned the right to say what he wants I'm not taking anything from Geno. Great story he can finish up his career as a productive starter. That said people acting like we could of had him he wasn't this player. Even yesterday the ball Jihad Ward made a great play on early if he doesn't bat it Belton is waiting to pick 6 it heard this on film break down. Giants played a bad game on offense and special teams and in situations on defense they got beat a couple times. This game the calls didn't go their way and they had some bad luck whee a guy makes a play only to find out someone else could have made a better play. Thats football Geno I wish him well and hope the Giants can get 4 more wins somewhere and we see them again.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 31, 2022 8:42:44 GMT -5
Ereck Flowers and Eli Apple are his worst picks and both are currently average starters in the NFL. Flowers being an above average LG, Eli Apple a starting CB on the Bengals. Adrien Robinson (4th round), Rhett Bomar(really? 5th round), Travis Beckham (3rd round), and Ryan Nassib (4th round) are your next best examples. Want to do better? Why not Andre Woodson?? (5th round?) why stop at these mid rounders? Near equals? in which way? one is the best GM in Giants history, the other the worst.. care to explain? JR drafted WR's, fantastic ones every other year. A long with DTs (2nd round picks) without every overpaying for one. His first/second round picks are almost all hits, the mid-rounders were in Marc Ross's hands and yes, bad hire. Can't let him run the draft (you know, how JR made Accorsi's drafts respectable, Ross couldn't do the same for JR) Help me breakdown Gettlemens FA which are at almost 0%, compare that with Jerry Reese. Also help me understand why we didn't get more from Gettlemens draft classes? the average pick was ~10th, JR's 20th. JR drafted two legitimate Stars despite this in OBJ and JPP. What on earth has Gettlemen done? 10 spots better draft selection, for, what he do with it? Do you people even know the history of the team you support? Man. Not smart, just emotional. Check your facts and come back to me. And please be better Flowers looked like he was turning career around, but he’s currently not on a team Also, jr started drafting very poorly from a resource allocation standpoint, not just talent misevals… drafting rb and te in first round Flowers was a top 10 pick to be what Thomas is he was an average Guard for 1 year the rest he below he traveled from team to team and the same flaws at guard as he did at tackle that is why as you said he isn't on a team in a league full of OL hungry team. Marvin Austin another huge risk in RD2 huge bust Flowers and Apple and Jayron Hosely, Ramsey Barden, the list goes on and on with mid rounders they traded up for Nassib lol that right there is an example how not to do things as a GM.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 31, 2022 8:45:23 GMT -5
The guy is having one good year and he's gotta bring up something that happened 5 years ago? What an asshole. When he was a QB here he went off on Rex Ryan. Geno being Geno dude is playing good ball but it took what 8 ten years. they run QBs out of town in 2 to 4 years.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 31, 2022 8:58:11 GMT -5
McAdoo just wanted the QBs to compete...seemed sensible to me at the time..especially considering Geno was basically playing for free (1 million dollar contract) - sometimes I imagine the rebuild we could have done with that team-friendly contract...but got it wasn't going to happen because Geno got punched in the face and had a bad reputation, etc. Just saying because I've had to endure 5 years of pitiful football since the threats/letters to Mara which probably helped shape the team-building philosophy over the last few years with Gettleman. 6-2 now..so liking where the team is at. Seems like we have a competent coach and GM...finally out of hell. I will be honest John Mara told them to play the Young QBs. I think they were talking about Davis Webb because they were going to be looking for a QB. MacAdoo said Webb wasn't ready thats why he played Geno. Truth who knows but that and Reese just spending a ton to fix years of bad drafts and the team actually regressing and losing in embarrassing ways fighting in the locker room and also on field actually being maybe the worst team or 31 in the league also Mac lost the locker room it happens when guys are just collecting checks. That is what got them both canned the situation was deteriorating fast. Not just Geno starting. People forget all the other stuff and there was a ton of it. I saw it first hand at embarrassing home losses.
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 31, 2022 9:04:38 GMT -5
The guy is having one good year and he's gotta bring up something that happened 5 years ago? What an asshole. By expressing appreciation for people who supported him? What a strange post.
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Post by Nite on Oct 31, 2022 9:18:15 GMT -5
McAdoo just wanted the QBs to compete...seemed sensible to me at the time..especially considering Geno was basically playing for free (1 million dollar contract) - sometimes I imagine the rebuild we could have done with that team-friendly contract...but got it wasn't going to happen because Geno got punched in the face and had a bad reputation, etc. Just saying because I've had to endure 5 years of pitiful football since the threats/letters to Mara which probably helped shape the team-building philosophy over the last few years with Gettleman. 6-2 now..so liking where the team is at. Seems like we have a competent coach and GM...finally out of hell. I will be honest John Mara told them to play the Young QBs. I think they were talking about Davis Webb because they were going to be looking for a QB. MacAdoo said Webb wasn't ready thats why he played Geno. Truth who knows but that and Reese just spending a ton to fix years of bad drafts and the team actually regressing and losing in embarrassing ways fighting in the locker room and also on field actually being maybe the worst team or 31 in the league also Mac lost the locker room it happens when guys are just collecting checks. That is what got them both canned the situation was deteriorating fast. Not just Geno starting. People forget all the other stuff and there was a ton of it. I saw it first hand at embarrassing home losses. The problem has and is in the bold. Mara should keep his ****in mouth shut and let the ppl he hired do their jobs. He is a cowardly interfering owner and that is the root cause of the problems. I would bet my morning coffee that mara is 'suggesting' things to Daboll and Scheon this year. The problem is no one can stop him. As long as Mara is in charge, pretending to know football we are going to suck, 6 - 2 record notwithstanding.. In the mood for a large Pepsi?
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Post by mj312 on Oct 31, 2022 9:23:51 GMT -5
Ahhh shut it geno .. it’s much easier to be a solid QB when you have weapons .. consider yourself lucky that you landed in Seattle .The Giants ruin QBs and put them in terrible situations.. We are great at trading away talent and expecting QBs to do it alone .. we have the worst receivers in the NFL .
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 31, 2022 9:23:57 GMT -5
Oh Please. Geno isn't saying this shit if they lose the game. He's making this win way more than it is. Seattle ain't extending him beyond this year and they won't do shit in the playoffs. Good for Geno sticking around the NFL when most guys would fizzle after the career he had, but this little "revenge" tour he thinks he's on is all in his head. Giants fans never wanted him. Jets fans never wanted him. We didn't want him then. We don't want him now. He ran into a team with 2 elite WRs and a solid running game. More power to Carroll for building a style of play that suits him. One year with the Giants, 7 years as a journeyman. Bless his heart, he simply can not help himself. I guess he sometimes forgets people actually saw him play.
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 31, 2022 9:28:48 GMT -5
So he's actually saying it in appreciation of those two then? That's the way I see it. McAdoo and Reese gave him the opportunity. Them and many others before and after them.
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 31, 2022 9:30:15 GMT -5
I just thought it was lame how they both scapegoated Eli. Geno would've failed just like Eli because it was a bad TEAM with a BAD scheme. Post-TC Mac had a one dimensional offense..that was on him. He couldn't scheme open receivers like they did with Preston Parker when Coughlin was HC... Reese and his scouting staff screwed this team towards the last few years. Where was next wave of pass rushers and solid O-linemen? Took until recent years to build that to where it is now. That offense was all Eli and Odell. Reese had to buy a defense and all of those egos blew up the locker room in 2017 Honestly, as a fan, I am very grateful for all Reese did with the giants But he was just as bad as Gettleman after 2009. Lots of bad picks. very bad injury luck didn't help either I see him as a huge positive in giants history. But I just think he had some big faults that some fans overlook Not would have. Did.
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Post by giantsalmon on Oct 31, 2022 9:31:38 GMT -5
Geno earned the right to say what he wants I'm not taking anything from Geno. Great story he can finish up his career as a productive starter. That said people acting like we could of had him he wasn't this player. Even yesterday the ball Jihad Ward made a great play on early if he doesn't bat it Belton is waiting to pick 6 it heard this on film break down. Giants played a bad game on offense and special teams and in situations on defense they got beat a couple times. This game the calls didn't go their way and they had some bad luck whee a guy makes a play only to find out someone else could have made a better play. Thats football Geno I wish him well and hope the Giants can get 4 more wins somewhere and we see them again. I saw Belton stomping his feet. Lets get them at HOME. Keep winning.
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