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Post by miggs on Mar 7, 2024 13:42:39 GMT -5
If true, let's what the Giants receive for Jones. Posters here say he has no value. But in taking on his contract don't think Schoen will get much. We'll find out. Hlad some GM's value him. He must have a clean medical clearance. Hope he goes to a good team with a good HC. Like to see what his potential is. Unlike most here I think it's high.
Schoen said Jones would be the starting QB if he's healthy.
But by trading Jones, Giants are I presume getting a lot of money relief and draft picks to fill their myriad of holes.
Was he being two-faced or simply changed his mind. Surely no reason for thinking he knows what he's doing.
Schoen is either going to fall on his face or survive. I think it's a panicky move after two years, but Schoen has opportunity to be proven right. It would be about time if he picks a good QB, as he hasn't demonstrated consistently that he knows talent when he see's it.
We'll see how Giants do with a new QB. If so, hope Giants do well, but I have serious doubts about Daboll as HC, but maybe he's really good.
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 7, 2024 14:17:22 GMT -5
That doesn't instill confidence as most rookie's are pretty clueless.
Well he was pretty spot on with his assessment. So much so that came to fruition with a 97 yard pick six. The dude literally says Jones is a one read QB and their defense knows it. Then uses that to his advantage and rips off a 97 pick six. Doesnt seem like he’s clueless at all. Need video proof? Ball is snapped, Jones locks on to the first read, never gets off it and then throws to it. The rookie CB is already jumping the route before the ball is thrown. 97 yards later…
I remember this play, and I remember listening to Peyton Manning's explanation of it in real time, which was this is what can happen when you're getting the snot knocked out of you. Shit happens.
I don't think I'm going out on a limb presuming there will be a load of one read INT's in this clip.
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Post by bluebuddha on Mar 7, 2024 15:03:48 GMT -5
All the while, Waller is open in the back of the end zone But who needs their second read. First or bust Peyton Manning: “He threw it much sooner than he needed to…. he had Walker coming across on the corner route.” I know, I know…what does Peyton Manning know about being a QB? I remember how disappointed Peyton looked when that was thrown. Eli was had that why would you do that look.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 7, 2024 15:07:38 GMT -5
If true, let's what the Giants receive for Jones. Posters here say he has no value. But in taking on his contract don't think Schoen will get much. We'll find out. Hlad some GM's value him. He must have a clean medical clearance. Hope he goes to a good team with a good HC. Like to see what his potential is. Unlike most here I think it's high. Schoen said Jones would be the starting QB if he's healthy. But by trading Jones, Giants are I presume getting a lot of money relief and draft picks to fill their myriad of holes. Was he being two-faced or simply changed his mind. Surly no reason for thinking he knows what he's doing. Schoen is either going to fall on his face or survive. I think it's a panicky move after two years, but Schoen has opportunity to be proven right. It would be about time if he picks a good QB, as he hasn't demonstrated consistently that he knows talent when he see's it. We'll see how Giants do with a new QB. If so, hope Giants do well, but I have serious doubts about Daboll as HC, but maybe he's really good. If we traded DJ the team would take a huge cap hit in 2024. His entire bonus would be applied to 2024. But it really doesn't matter. No one would trade for him.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 7, 2024 15:17:52 GMT -5
Schoen said Jones would be the starting QB if he's healthy. False.
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Post by nyg2 on Mar 7, 2024 15:25:59 GMT -5
There's simply no way to spin it. Giving 8 that contract when no other team was gonna give it to him was bad business. I said this in another thread. Whomever 8's agents are, NFL players should be lining up outside of their door. NYG got worked I keep reading this from people. “We were the only ones interested in Jones. We were bidding against ourselves.” How does anyone know this? For all we know, a few teams may have had interest. He never hit the market. Now we can argue the merits of signing him till the cows come home, but one thing we don’t know is that no one was interested. By definition if you don't let the player test the market, then you're bidding against yourself, since all you can do is speculate what he's worth on the market. As far as interest goes there was plenty of reports that showed the league felt the Giants overvalued Jones, here's just one for example from last year:
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Post by miggs on Mar 7, 2024 15:44:46 GMT -5
Schoen said Jones would be the starting QB if he's healthy. False. He said that.
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Post by miggs on Mar 7, 2024 15:47:20 GMT -5
If true, let's what the Giants receive for Jones. Posters here say he has no value. But in taking on his contract don't think Schoen will get much. We'll find out. Hlad some GM's value him. He must have a clean medical clearance. Hope he goes to a good team with a good HC. Like to see what his potential is. Unlike most here I think it's high. Schoen said Jones would be the starting QB if he's healthy. But by trading Jones, Giants are I presume getting a lot of money relief and draft picks to fill their myriad of holes. Was he being two-faced or simply changed his mind. Surly no reason for thinking he knows what he's doing. Schoen is either going to fall on his face or survive. I think it's a panicky move after two years, but Schoen has opportunity to be proven right. It would be about time if he picks a good QB, as he hasn't demonstrated consistently that he knows talent when he see's it. We'll see how Giants do with a new QB. If so, hope Giants do well, but I have serious doubts about Daboll as HC, but maybe he's really good. If we traded DJ the team would take a huge cap hit in 2024. His entire bonus would be applied to 2024. But it really doesn't matter. No one would trade for him. So how much less money would the Giants have to sign free agents? What's the effect on Giants CAP if players traded to the Giants?
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 7, 2024 15:53:57 GMT -5
If we traded DJ the team would take a huge cap hit in 2024. His entire bonus would be applied to 2024. But it really doesn't matter. No one would trade for him. So how much less money would the Giants have to sign free agents? What's the effect on Giants CAP if players traded to the Giants? By my calculations a trade would bring a $27MM cap hit in 2024. As far as trading for players, the other team is responsible for any remaining bonus on their caps. Remember, bonuses are paid in full up front. The league just allows you to spread the cap hit evenly over the life of the contract. DJ's bonus was $36MM so the remaining cap hit after year one is $27MM. If a player is traded, retires or released, that cap hit can't be spread anymore. It must be assigned in full the in the season the player left.
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Post by imgrate on Mar 7, 2024 16:46:05 GMT -5
So how much less money would the Giants have to sign free agents? What's the effect on Giants CAP if players traded to the Giants? By my calculations a trade would bring a $27MM cap hit in 2024. As far as trading for players, the other team is responsible for any remaining bonus on their caps. Remember, bonuses are paid in full up front. The league just allows you to spread the cap hit evenly over the life of the contract. DJ's bonus was $36MM so the remaining cap hit after year one is $27MM. If a player is traded, retires or released, that cap hit can't be spread anymore. It must be assigned in full the in the season the player left. We’d actually have cap savings this year and next if we were to trade him. ~13mill this year and the 22mill next year (in the assumed scenario that we cut him next offseason)
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 7, 2024 17:10:55 GMT -5
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Post by SG88 on Mar 7, 2024 22:02:58 GMT -5
I'm curious to see this link.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 7, 2024 22:19:12 GMT -5
I'm curious to see this link. Schoen did say “I have faith in Jones as our QB.” Which is the epitome of lip service this time of year.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 7, 2024 22:20:41 GMT -5
By my calculations a trade would bring a $27MM cap hit in 2024. As far as trading for players, the other team is responsible for any remaining bonus on their caps. Remember, bonuses are paid in full up front. The league just allows you to spread the cap hit evenly over the life of the contract. DJ's bonus was $36MM so the remaining cap hit after year one is $27MM. If a player is traded, retires or released, that cap hit can't be spread anymore. It must be assigned in full the in the season the player left. We’d actually have cap savings this year and next if we were to trade him. ~13mill this year and the 22mill next year (in the assumed scenario that we cut him next offseason) Isn’t that assuming the other team takes on his $36M of base salary? Which of course we know wouldn’t happen. If Jones were to be traded the Giants would have to assume most, if not all, of his salary. Thus increasing his 2024 cap hit.
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Post by imgrate on Mar 7, 2024 23:44:44 GMT -5
We’d actually have cap savings this year and next if we were to trade him. ~13mill this year and the 22mill next year (in the assumed scenario that we cut him next offseason) Isn’t that assuming the other team takes on his $36M of base salary? Which of course we know wouldn’t happen. If Jones were to be traded the Giants would have to assume most, if not all, of his salary. Thus increasing his 2024 cap hit. I mean, its really hard to say since it’s a theoretical scenario, but at a basic level, the more cap hit that another team takes on, the more draft capital that we’d have to give up in the trade. That said, because of his contract, I cant imagine a reasonable scenario where we would be able to trade him or would want to part with the necessary draft capital to facilitate a trade of him.. as opposed to just releasing him
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Post by piddy283 on Mar 8, 2024 8:50:59 GMT -5
That doesn't instill confidence as most rookie's are pretty clueless.
Well he was pretty spot on with his assessment. So much so that came to fruition with a 97 yard pick six. The dude literally says Jones is a one read QB and their defense knows it. Then uses that to his advantage and rips off a 97 pick six. Doesnt seem like he’s clueless at all. Need video proof? Ball is snapped, Jones locks on to the first read, never gets off it and then throws to it. The rookie CB is already jumping the route before the ball is thrown. 97 yards later…
My heart sank on that play. What a gut punch.
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Post by Bigjeep on Mar 9, 2024 9:05:08 GMT -5
The OL needed to be brought up to NFL standards before the big QB contract! Any QB would have failed behind that garbage! Neal was a bust! That hurt. Draft a QB, Let Jones get killed behind a rebuild OL until our drafted QB is ready!
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Post by Modog on Mar 9, 2024 10:29:29 GMT -5
Well he was pretty spot on with his assessment. So much so that came to fruition with a 97 yard pick six. The dude literally says Jones is a one read QB and their defense knows it. Then uses that to his advantage and rips off a 97 pick six. Doesnt seem like he’s clueless at all. Need video proof? Ball is snapped, Jones locks on to the first read, never gets off it and then throws to it. The rookie CB is already jumping the route before the ball is thrown. 97 yards later…
My heart sank on that play. What a gut punch.
I the comment by that rookie CB after the game was even more damning We knew he liked to stare down his first target," Witherspoon told NFL Network after the game.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 9, 2024 11:12:15 GMT -5
Any QB would have failed behind that garbage! Here we go…
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Post by nyg2 on Mar 10, 2024 16:21:21 GMT -5
If you needed further proof that the Giants overvalued Jones…
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Post by inconvenientruth on Mar 10, 2024 16:31:21 GMT -5
If you needed further proof that the Giants overvalued Jones… Agree with Ryan's take on this one. An outlier.
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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 10, 2024 16:43:37 GMT -5
If you needed further proof that the Giants overvalued Jones… Agree with Ryan's take on this one. An outlier. While I agree about that contact, attempting to make that call now is as weak as it gets. Breaking news, Russell Wilson and Brock Osweiler's contracts are outliers as well. I've also got a pretty long list of after the fact outlier contracts as well as a long list of new contracts written shortly after these contracts that ignore the benchmarks established by them. Also, a brief report on the continued roundness of the earth.
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Post by SG88 on Mar 10, 2024 16:47:37 GMT -5
If you needed further proof that the Giants overvalued Jones… I'm happy for Baker. From top pick overall to playing for 3 teams in two seasons as an afterthought to getting that life changing contract.
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Post by inconvenientruth on Mar 10, 2024 16:52:42 GMT -5
Agree with Ryan's take on this one. An outlier. While I agree about that contact, attempting to make that call now is as weak as it gets. Breaking news, Russell Wilson and Brock Osweiler's contracts are outliers as well. I've also got a pretty long list of water the fact outlier contracts as well as a long list of new contracts written shortly after these contracts that ignore the benchmarks established by them. Also, a brief report on the continued roundness of the earth. Yeah most of these same guys were applauding the move, but a calendar year ago
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 10, 2024 20:17:36 GMT -5
The biggest mistake the Browns made was signing Watson for all that money, and draft capital, and dumping Baker Mayfield. Mayfield is a very good, (not great) NFL QB. And his teammates love him....which does matter.
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Post by Analyst on Mar 15, 2024 22:32:23 GMT -5
For all the shit some of our guys like Toney and Waller get for rapping, I think our bust QB should get some shit too...
ACl looks fine.
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Post by mendy on Mar 15, 2024 23:08:40 GMT -5
For all the shit some of our guys like Toney and Waller get for rapping, I think our bust QB should get some shit too... ACl looks fine. www.marca.com/en/nfl/new-york-giants/2023/06/26/6498e51b268e3e51738b4576.htmlIt's not new. New York Giants Daniel Jones sings onstage with Zack Bryan, country artist trolls Giants QB Jones signed a hefty contract extension with New York in the offseason
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Post by Fletch842 on Mar 16, 2024 7:47:11 GMT -5
For all the shit some of our guys like Toney and Waller get for rapping, I think our bust QB should get some shit too... ACl looks fine. damn him, ignoring his rehab. Kids today, sheesh!!!! Oh, and get off my lawn!!!
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 16, 2024 11:13:34 GMT -5
For all the shit some of our guys like Toney and Waller get for rapping, I think our bust QB should get some shit too... ACl looks fine. www.marca.com/en/nfl/new-york-giants/2023/06/26/6498e51b268e3e51738b4576.htmlIt's not new. New York Giants Daniel Jones sings onstage with Zack Bryan, country artist trolls Giants QB Jones signed a hefty contract extension with New York in the offseasonImpressive attempt at a rescue of your idol. But you can’t be this oblivious (rhetorical) to realize they’re all wearing different clothes in the clip posted above and the one you hunted for and posted. Meaning: these are two separate occasions. Carry on, warrior.
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Post by Modog on Mar 16, 2024 22:22:29 GMT -5
For all the shit some of our guys like Toney and Waller get for rapping, I think our bust QB should get some shit too... ACl looks fine. Living his best life. Enjoying all his underserved millions. Thanks Mara!
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