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Post by giantbob71 on Mar 17, 2024 4:18:09 GMT -5
For all the shit some of our guys like Toney and Waller get for rapping, I think our bust QB should get some shit too... ACl looks fine. Living his best life. Enjoying all his underserved millions. Thanks Mara! Looks more comfortable on a stage than he does in a pocket!
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Post by miggs on Mar 17, 2024 6:59:08 GMT -5
Glad to see Mel Kiper believes Jones is a good NFL QB and that he just needs a supporting roster, and that tge Giants shouldn't draft McCarthy.
Glad Simms and Manning also think that Jones is a good QB. Schoen is will be making a big mistake as McCarthy will not likely ever be as good as Jones. Same for other QBs who will go in the top 5 draft picks.
Schoen would be wise to take a WR, or move down to pick up some quality players. This is a decisive moment for Schoen as he can't afford to once again mess up in the first round as he's done the last two seasons.
Schoen adds with one hand and subtracts with the other. He shouldn't have let both Barkley and McKinney walk and get nothing in return. Should have signed Barkley last year and traded this year if that's the direction the Giants wanted to go. Should have tagged McKinney. Schoen is a disaster as a team has to keep premier talent or get something in return. Compensatory picks simply doesn't cut it.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 17, 2024 10:19:10 GMT -5
You said the same thing when he traded Toney. Can't wait for you to be an Eagles fan and bless their forum.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 17, 2024 10:26:33 GMT -5
Glad to see Mel Kiper believes Jones is a good NFL QB and that he just needs a supporting roster, and that tge Giants shouldn't draft McCarthy. Glad Simms and Manning also think that Jones is a good QB. Schoen is will be making a big mistake as McCarthy will not likely ever be as good as Jones. Same for other QBs who will go in the top 5 draft picks. Schoen would be wise to take a WR, or move down to pick up some quality players. This is a decisive moment for Schoen as he can't afford to once again mess up in the first round as he's done the last two seasons. Schoen adds with one hand and subtracts with the other. He shouldn't have let both Barkley and McKinney walk and get nothing in return. Should have signed Barkley last year and traded this year if that's the direction the Giants wanted to go. Should have tagged McKinney. Schoen is a disaster as a team has to keep premier talent or get something in return. Compensatory picks simply doesn't cut it. We got plenty in return for Saquan and McKinney. We got the cap room to sign Brian Burns, Devin Singletary and some O line help. I'd say that was a great trade off. You whine about our O line and yet you want to cripple our ability to get O line help by signing a RB and safety for big money. That makes NO sense to me. It seems this FO understands positional value.
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Post by SG88 on Mar 17, 2024 13:00:24 GMT -5
Glad to see Mel Kiper believes Jones is a good NFL QB and that he just needs a supporting roster, and that tge Giants shouldn't draft McCarthy. Glad Simms and Manning also think that Jones is a good QB. Schoen is will be making a big mistake as McCarthy will not likely ever be as good as Jones. Same for other QBs who will go in the top 5 draft picks. Schoen would be wise to take a WR, or move down to pick up some quality players. This is a decisive moment for Schoen as he can't afford to once again mess up in the first round as he's done the last two seasons. Schoen adds with one hand and subtracts with the other. He shouldn't have let both Barkley and McKinney walk and get nothing in return. Should have signed Barkley last year and traded this year if that's the direction the Giants wanted to go. Should have tagged McKinney. Schoen is a disaster as a team has to keep premier talent or get something in return. Compensatory picks simply doesn't cut it. Good for Mel Kiperđđđ
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Post by miggs on Mar 17, 2024 13:45:13 GMT -5
Posters who solely look at things as Schoen does in terms of CAP space and money are tunneled-vision. If you want to a better team a good start is by retaining good players. Even the Banter Boys have figured that out. But we'll get to see how good both the OL and RB will be.
Hard to see how signing a player for $9 million when he's worth $6 million is a substantial upgrade.
Season will rest on Jones shoulders. If he's not healthy there's always next year.
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Post by inconvenientruth on Mar 17, 2024 13:48:01 GMT -5
Posters who solely look at things as Schoen does in terms of CAP space and money are tunneled-vision. If you want to a better team a good start is by retaining good players. Even the Banter Boys have figured that out. But we'll get to see how good both the OL and RB will be. Season will rest on Jones shoulders. If he's not healthy there's always next year. Putting the next season on DJs shoulders is the best way for Schoen and Daboll to get fired. By their actions this off season, they know that. When will you?
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Post by miggs on Mar 17, 2024 13:56:03 GMT -5
Posters who solely look at things as Schoen does in terms of CAP space and money are tunneled-vision. If you want to a better team a good start is by retaining good players. Even the Banter Boys have figured that out. But we'll get to see how good both the OL and RB will be. Season will rest on Jones shoulders. If he's not healthy there's always next year. Putting the next season on DJs shoulders is the best way for Schoen and Daboll to get fired. By their actions this off season, they know that. When will you? Jones is Schoen and Daboll's life line if Giants select an impact WR. When will you and others realize that Jones and Barkley carried the team into the playoffs two years ago, not Daboll. I do give him credit for reducing the Giants turnovers. He's proven with the Giants that he's incapable of scoring points in the first half of games. Hope Giants don't have to rely on a short 210 lb. RB for yardage.
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 17, 2024 14:25:44 GMT -5
Posters who solely look at things as Schoen does in terms of CAP space and money are tunneled-vision. If you want to a better team a good start is by retaining good players. Even the Banter Boys have figured that out. But we'll get to see how good both the OL and RB will be. Season will rest on Jones shoulders. If he's not healthy there's always next year. Putting the next season on DJs shoulders is the best way for Schoen and Daboll to get fired. By their actions this off season, they know that. When will you? Lock is here and likely another QB will be drafted b/c this hierarchy is not all-in on Jones. Otherwise, a Tyrod Taylor would have been resigned imo.
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Post by inconvenientruth on Mar 17, 2024 15:39:40 GMT -5
Putting the next season on DJs shoulders is the best way for Schoen and Daboll to get fired. By their actions this off season, they know that. When will you? Lock is here and likely another QB will be drafted b/c this hierarchy is not all-in on Jones. Â Otherwise, a Tyrod Taylor would have been resigned imo. The real delta in between Tyrods/Locks deal was years. Giants are looking at two, one year options in DJ/Lock. DJs injury clause will IR him at some point next year. Why else would they sign a QB#2 before a CB#2? I would bet the Giants either bench, or put DJ on IR if they're truly done with him If they were staying with the DJ project, look to see if they restructure his deal to make room this off-season. No contract on the Giants could return more current cap space, which they will certainly have to do, sooner rather than later. Even just to operate during the year. Looking at this above is far more important than anything they're saying publicly.
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Post by SG88 on Mar 17, 2024 16:17:31 GMT -5
Posters who solely look at things as Schoen does in terms of CAP space and money are tunneled-vision. If you want to a better team a good start is by retaining good players. Even the Banter Boys have figured that out. But we'll get to see how good both the OL and RB will be. Season will rest on Jones shoulders. If he's not healthy there's always next year. Putting the next season on DJs shoulders is the best way for Schoen and Daboll to get fired. By their actions this off season, they know that. When will you? Agreed 100%. If they go out there rolling with 8 as the QB, the season is over before it even starts. It also will be uninspiring and boring as ****.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 17, 2024 16:18:47 GMT -5
Putting the next season on DJs shoulders is the best way for Schoen and Daboll to get fired. By their actions this off season, they know that. When will you? Jones is Schoen and Daboll's life line Wrong. As usual. Canât wait for you to follow Jones to whatever team he lands on in 2025.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2024 16:42:35 GMT -5
We got plenty in return for Saquan and McKinney. We got the cap room to sign Brian Burns, Devin Singletary and some O line help. I'd say that was a great trade off. And as others mentioned, hopefully the Saquan move sabotages the Eagles cap space.
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 17, 2024 16:46:00 GMT -5
Lock is here and likely another QB will be drafted b/c this hierarchy is not all-in on Jones. Otherwise, a Tyrod Taylor would have been resigned imo. The real delta in between Tyrods/Locks deal was years. Giants are looking at two, one year options in DJ/Lock. DJs injury clause will IR him at some point next year. Why else would they sign a QB#2 before a CB#2? I would bet the Giants either bench, or put DJ on IR if they're truly done with him If they were staying with the DJ project, look to see if they restructure his deal to make room this off-season. No contract on the Giants could return more current cap space, which they will certainly have to do, sooner rather than later. Even just to operate during the year. Looking at this above is far more important than anything they're saying publicly. theyâre looking for a future and Tyrod isnât it. It would be easy to resign Tyrod with Jones coming back. They opted for a younger kid who could be the future or the backup this season. I still think the Giants go QB this draft although Jones will get a chance to salvage his Giants career one last time.
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Post by miggs on Mar 17, 2024 18:09:25 GMT -5
Jones is Schoen and Daboll's life line Wrong. As usual. Canât wait for you to follow Jones to whatever team he lands on in 2025. You won't like the results you wish for if Jones is not at the Giants helm this season. Most likely he will be so accept it. He'll be at the hdlm in 2025 as well.
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Post by vinnie on Mar 17, 2024 18:20:57 GMT -5
Posters who solely look at things as Schoen does in terms of CAP space and money are tunneled-vision. If you want to a better team a good start is by retaining good players. Even the Banter Boys have figured that out. But we'll get to see how good both the OL and RB will be. Season will rest on Jones shoulders. If he's not healthy there's always next year. Putting the next season on DJs shoulders is the best way for Schoen and Daboll to get fired. By their actions this off season, they know that. When will you? Iâve kinda always thought that the only reason they wouldnât draft a QB this year, or get fired if they roll with Jones and have a shitty season, is if Mara gave them his word that their jobs would be safe after this year if thatâs what they decided to do. Iâm no conspiracy theorist, and I know Mara supposedly gave Schoen free reign over the decision making, but we also know Mara loves Jones and it wouldnât surprise me one bit if this was the case so Schoen could draft a true #1 WR and give Jones yet ANOTHER year to try and prove himself. Again, not saying this is whatâs happening but I donât think Schoen and Dabs would risk their careers on a shitty QB coming off an ACL injury, and a bad to mediocre back up QB, unless they had Maraâs blessing that they wouldnât be fired.
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 17, 2024 18:32:39 GMT -5
This GM will get a chance to draft his own QB.
Jonesâ only chance is to get this team to the playoffs which requires playing well, staying healthy and leading a roster that Vegas has ranked 30th worst odds on winning the Super Bowl.
Not a lot to ask considering the heâs been paid to win and playing to get paid more.
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Post by miggs on Mar 17, 2024 18:50:19 GMT -5
If Schoen believes Jones not healthy he should have obtained a quality starting QB already and not rely on drafting a QB who won't be good for a few years. For to do so now would just result in a few more years of losing Giants football. Schoen should go WR and trade down in second round if good players will still be available. He still needs to sign free agents or trade for better players as holes remain to be filled.
Too bad most Giants fans don't see the obvious. Kiper and former Giants SB QBs do.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 17, 2024 19:23:33 GMT -5
If Schoen believes Jones not healthy he should have obtained a quality starting QB already and not rely on drafting a QB who won't be good for a few years. For to do so now would just result in a few more years of losing Giants football. Schoen should go WR and trade down in second round if good players will still be available. He still needs to sign free agents or trade for better players as holes remain to be filled. Too bad most Giants fans don't see the obvious. Kiper and former Giants SB QBs do. None of those folks have opinions that matter. Those rest will Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll. I think it's clear what their view is.
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Post by giantsalmon on Mar 17, 2024 21:39:58 GMT -5
Still amazing that the debate is still over DJs ability to play well. He just cannot remain healthy. If he wanted to play for 10 million a year they may be able to maintain a quality back up for enough years to build continuity and somehow roll that way to pacify Mara. The era we are in now does not allow that luxury once you pay the franchise money to a QB. Its just GM malpractice to continue on paying big money for an injury prone QB who hasnt yet proven he can win without lots of scripted runs.
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Post by miggs on Mar 18, 2024 0:18:38 GMT -5
Still amazing that the debate is still over DJs ability to play well. He just cannot remain healthy. If he wanted to play for 10 million a year they may be able to maintain a quality back up for enough years to build continuity and somehow roll that way to pacify Mara. The era we are in now does not allow that luxury once you pay the franchise money to a QB. Its just GM malpractice to continue on paying big money for an injury prone QB who hasnt yet proven he can win without lots of scripted runs. He's no more injury prone that any other QB who plays behind a crappy offensive line. Also the game is violent and especially so given the size of the players and their ability to hit so hard. So accept that many players will be hurt and you'll be dissapointed each season.
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Post by mendy on Mar 18, 2024 3:21:53 GMT -5
This GM will get a chance to draft his own QB. Jonesâ only chance is to get this team to the playoffs which requires playing well, staying healthy and leading a roster that Vegas has ranked 30th worst odds on winning the Super Bowl. Not a lot to ask considering the heâs been paid to win and playing to get paid more. "Vegas", Lord knows Vegas has never been wrong on anything.
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 18, 2024 4:39:03 GMT -5
This GM will get a chance to draft his own QB. Jonesâ only chance is to get this team to the playoffs which requires playing well, staying healthy and leading a roster that Vegas has ranked 30th worst odds on winning the Super Bowl. Not a lot to ask considering the heâs been paid to win and playing to get paid more. "Vegas", Lord knows Vegas has never been wrong on anything. Yeah, that house always loses. Youâre really killing it this year Mendy. Roster is great. Lord knows you already place a bet b/c you know youâre not all talk.
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 18, 2024 6:51:56 GMT -5
Still amazing that the debate is still over DJs ability to play well. He just cannot remain healthy. If he wanted to play for 10 million a year they may be able to maintain a quality back up for enough years to build continuity and somehow roll that way to pacify Mara. The era we are in now does not allow that luxury once you pay the franchise money to a QB. Its just GM malpractice to continue on paying big money for an injury prone QB who hasnt yet proven he can win without lots of scripted runs. He's no more injury prone that any other QB who plays behind a crappy offensive line. Also the game is violent and especially so given the size of the players and their ability to hit so hard. So accept that many players will be hurt and you'll be dissapointed each season. Eli never missed a game skippy. Was a non-contact injury.
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Post by mendy on Mar 18, 2024 7:32:16 GMT -5
"Vegas", Lord knows Vegas has never been wrong on anything. Yeah, that house always loses. Youâre really killing it this year Mendy. Roster is great. Lord knows you already place a bet b/c you know youâre not all talk. Don't bet, it's stupid to bet or believe Vegas knows all.
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 18, 2024 7:36:26 GMT -5
Yeah, that house always loses. Youâre really killing it this year Mendy. Roster is great. Lord knows you already place a bet b/c you know youâre not all talk. Don't bet, it's stupid to bet or believe Vegas knows all. I donât bet yet the odds makers indicate where the money is and that house wins at an alarming rate. Nobody claimsâVegas knows allâ but youâre just being you.
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Post by bluebuddha on Mar 18, 2024 7:42:50 GMT -5
He's no more injury prone that any other QB who plays behind a crappy offensive line. Also the game is violent and especially so given the size of the players and their ability to hit so hard. So accept that many players will be hurt and you'll be dissapointed each season. Â Eli never missed a game skippy. Â Was a non-contact injury. Â I could be wrong but he banged up his knee a couple of plays before. Thought he should have gotten looked at then because he was hobbling a bit. EDIT* I think it was the play right before the end of the 1st where he banged knees with Cager. Not that it makes it any better. He looked like he was in pain and hobbling after he got up.
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 18, 2024 7:49:58 GMT -5
Eli never missed a game skippy. Was a non-contact injury. I could be wrong but he banged up his knee a couple of plays before. Thought he should have gotten looked at then because he was hobbling a bit. he gets hurt often
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Post by Modog on Mar 18, 2024 8:13:29 GMT -5
Still amazing that the debate is still over DJs ability to play well. He just cannot remain healthy. If he wanted to play for 10 million a year they may be able to maintain a quality back up for enough years to build continuity and somehow roll that way to pacify Mara. The era we are in now does not allow that luxury once you pay the franchise money to a QB. Its just GM malpractice to continue on paying big money for an injury prone QB who hasnt yet proven he can win without lots of scripted runs. Quite frankly, he stinks when healthy. Don't believe there's 5 years worth of tape. Being injury prone is his second strike. Third is his massive mistake of a contract
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 18, 2024 8:51:30 GMT -5
He'll be at the hdlm in 2025 as well. Itâs incredible. Every time you post you expose more of how little you know about the NFL.
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