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Post by Blue Hulk on May 3, 2023 23:59:29 GMT -5
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Post by Blue Hulk on May 4, 2023 0:02:17 GMT -5
NYG 20.
Maason Smith DT LSU NYG 52.
Cooper Beebe G Kansas State NYG 84.
Cam Hart CB Notre Dame NYG 116.
Seydou Traore TE Colorado NYG 148.
Lathan Ransom S Ohio State NYG 180.
JJ Weaver EDGE Kentucky NYG 212.
Ty'Ron Hopper LB Missouri
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Post by TEM on May 4, 2023 6:33:52 GMT -5
You guys do realize. These draft simulation sites. Will give out the least likely scenario. It is about betting and conditioning you to follow their output with dollars.. They are using super computers and AI to produce these outputs for you. They are also using the same infrastructure with unconditional algorithms to create scenarios that push the odds into their favor for their internal output.
This is my biggest question to those of you who choose to go to the Sim sites to produce mocks. Why be a lemming? You guys are not stupid. I speculate using your own brain instead of some computer programed with false presence would produce a more qualitative mock.
Here is some proof of my assumptions. In order for a statistical algorithm to produce a quantitative output. It would need to be programed with must have information. Draft position of all teams. Calculated output of players already picked. Calculated output of team's need. Will a player of pick orientation for that specific position need be available at that pick number. If not, it would have to calculate the team's second position of need. And then the third.....
So you have to ask.. How is it producing a mock without all the required information the algorithm would require? The only logical conclusion is. They configured a Sim that pushes out inaccurate information. So you feed them your money without any idea of what was done to you,
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Post by robl on May 4, 2023 9:34:09 GMT -5
You guys do realize. These draft simulation sites. Will give out the least likely scenario. It is about betting and conditioning you to follow their output with dollars.. They are using super computers and AI to produce these outputs for you. They are also using the same infrastructure with unconditional algorithms to create scenarios that push the odds into their favor for their internal output. This is my biggest question to those of you who choose to go to the Sim sites to produce mocks. Why be a lemming? You guys are not stupid. I speculate using your own brain instead of some computer programed with false presence would produce a more qualitative mock. Here is some proof of my assumptions. In order for a statistical algorithm to produce a quantitative output. It would need to be programed with must have information. Draft position of all teams. Calculated output of players already picked. Calculated output of team's need. Will a player of pick orientation for that specific position need be available at that pick number. If not, it would have to calculate the team's second position of need. And then the third..... So you have to ask.. How is it producing a mock without all the required information the algorithm would require. The only logical conclusion is. They configured a Sim that pushes out inaccurate information. So you feed them your money without any idea of what was done to you, Also we’ll be picking 32nd so there’s that.
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Post by Blue Hulk on May 4, 2023 22:51:36 GMT -5
You guys do realize. These draft simulation sites. Will give out the least likely scenario. It is about betting and conditioning you to follow their output with dollars.. They are using super computers and AI to produce these outputs for you. They are also using the same infrastructure with unconditional algorithms to create scenarios that push the odds into their favor for their internal output. This is my biggest question to those of you who choose to go to the Sim sites to produce mocks. Why be a lemming? You guys are not stupid. I speculate using your own brain instead of some computer programed with false presence would produce a more qualitative mock. Here is some proof of my assumptions. In order for a statistical algorithm to produce a quantitative output. It would need to be programed with must have information. Draft position of all teams. Calculated output of players already picked. Calculated output of team's need. Will a player of pick orientation for that specific position need be available at that pick number. If not, it would have to calculate the team's second position of need. And then the third..... So you have to ask.. How is it producing a mock without all the required information the algorithm would require? The only logical conclusion is. They configured a Sim that pushes out inaccurate information. So you feed them your money without any idea of what was done to you, I'm just making my thread now before someone cuts my throat... I used to wait until we sucked or halfway through the season, until someone decided to make their own draft thread one year. Now I make my threads right after the draft.. When you choose to start doing mocks is up to you sir.
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Post by nygfanstrick on Nov 5, 2023 23:27:18 GMT -5
4: Drake Maye- QB - North Carolina - Missed out on the Caleb Williams sweepstakes. QB is a must. Drake Maye is similar to the Herbert type of QB. Someone who will stretch the field and allow Daboll and company to mold into their own
35: Troy Franklin - WR - Oregon - 6’3 WR with serious speed and makes plays week after week. Him and Hyatt with Maye at QB would be very fun. Having guys like Robinson and Waller underneath and over the middle to make things even tougher to cover
58: Raheim Sanders - RB - Arkansas - Hard to justify bringing Saquon back. Rocket Sanders was a heisman candidate preseason and has all of the ability in the world. Terrible season for Arkansas and he’s been banged up most of the year. He would be great value in the 2nd or 3rd
69: Chris Braswell - EDGE - Alabama - Azeez is unfortunately always banged up so we need to really look at edge. Kayvon is a stud so getting another capable rusher next to him is very important. Braswell is the lesser known of the Bama rushers but he is really solid.
100: Tate Ratledge - OG - Georgia - the OL definitely still has question marks and getting depth at the very least is helpful.
131: Johnny Dixon - CB - Penn State - CB who is used as a blitzer a ton and is very effective at it. I like physical CBs. Banks, Hawkins, and Flott seem promising but couldn’t hurt to throw another young body to compete with Hawkins and Flott
165: DeWayne Carter - DT - Duke - Dex is a man amongst boys. I liked what I saw from Jordan Riley. Leonard Williams getting moved allows us to try and find a young player to develop. Carter looked really good the one or two Duke games I’ve caught
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Post by Blue Hulk on Nov 14, 2023 16:15:05 GMT -5
2. NYG
Caleb Williams QB USC 36. NYG
Laiatu Latu EDGE UCLA 57. NYG
Maason Smith DT LSU 67. NYG
Terrion Arnold CB Alabama 98. NYG
James Williams S Miami (FL) 132. NYG
Darius Robinson EDGE Missouri 163. NYG
Bryce Foster OC Texas A&M
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Post by knixknation on Nov 14, 2023 16:49:42 GMT -5
Trade: 2024: Round 1, Pick 7
2024: Round 2, Pick 38
2024: Round 3, Pick 72
2024: Round 7, Pick 217
2025: Round 4
Los Angeles Receives:
2024: Round 1, Pick 2
My Selections
Caleb WilliamsQB | USC LogoUSCTRADE
36Giants Logo
Tyler GuytonOT | Oklahoma LogoOklahoma
38Giants Logo
Kamari LassiterCB | Georgia LogoGeorgiaTRADE
57Giants Logo
Jeremiah Trotter Jr.LB | Clemson LogoClemson
67Giants Logo
Ja'Lynn PolkWR | Washington LogoWashington
72Giants Logo
Blake CorumRB | Michigan LogoMichiganTRADE
102Giants Logo
Ladd McConkeyWR | Georgia LogoGeorgia
140Giants Logo
Malachi MooreS | Alabama LogoAlabama
180Giants Logo
Layden RobinsonIOL | Texas A&M LogoTexas A&M
217Giants Logo
Tory TaylorP | Iowa LogoIowaTRADE
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 14, 2023 18:21:25 GMT -5
Kamren Kinchens could really be a force in the NFL. That’s the type of player where the good get rich or the rich get richer b/c he’s likely going to be around in the teens.
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Post by TEM on Nov 25, 2023 9:33:16 GMT -5
Ok guys . My first mock this draft year . ( Not some copy and paste cheat from a simulator ) All between TEM's ears.
I am assuming we end up 6-11
Our draft order should be. Round 1 Pick 12 Round 2 Pick 44 Round 2 Pick 53 (from SEA) Round 3 pick 76 Round 4 Pick 115 Round 5 Pick 149 Round 6 pick 193 Round 7 pick 221 (from ARI) Round 7 pick 232
Trade 12 and 221 with Seattle receive (21,83,85,156) Trade Picks 76,85 to NE for Pick 35
Round 1 Pick 21. Leonard Taylor III DT MIami FL 6'3'' 304
Round 2 pick 35 (from NE) Jordan Morgan OT Arizona 6"5" 325
Round 2 Pick 44 Princely Umanmielen EDGE Florida 6"5 225
Round 2 Pick 53 (from SEA) Jayden Daniels QB LSU 6'4" 210
Round 3 pick 83 (from SEA) Malachi Moore S Alabama 6'0" 198
Round 4 Pick 115 Javion Cohen OG Miami FL 6"4 305
Round 5 Pick 149 Oronde Gadsden II WR Syracuse 6'4" 216
Round 6 pick 193 Jalin Conyers TE AZ state 6"4" 265
Round 7 pick 232 Ennis Rakestraw Jr CB Missouri 6"0 188
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Post by IrishMike on Dec 1, 2023 20:39:34 GMT -5
I'm just making my thread now before someone cuts my throat... I used to wait until we sucked or halfway through the season, until someone decided to make their own draft thread one year. Now I make my threads right after the draft.. When you choose to start doing mocks is up to you sir. Kudos for taking the initiative. Never know when you'll get one right. I predicted Kayvon Thibs would be our pick minutes after we traded with the Bears a year before the pick was made lol.
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Post by Kase1 on Jan 6, 2024 9:18:39 GMT -5
1st mock draft of the year......
: R1 P5 QB Jayden Daniels - LSU
37: R2 P5 DL Jer'Zhan Newton - Illinois
47: R2 P15 EDGE Bralen Trice - Washington
69: R3 P5 RB Raheim Sanders - Arkansas
105: R4 P5 OG Tate Ratledge - Georgia
141: R5 P5 S Kamren Kinchens - Miami
180: R6 P5 WR Xavier Leggette - South Carolina
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Post by Kase1 on Jan 13, 2024 9:53:49 GMT -5
R1 P6 QB Jayden Daniels - LSU 39: R2 P7 G Cooper Beebe - Kansas State 47: R2 P15 RB Jonathon Brooks - Texas 70: R3 P6 S Calen Bullock - USC 107: R4 P7 LB Payton Wilson - NC State 142: R5 P6 EDGE Mohamed Kamara - Colorado State 182: R6 P7 DL Shemar Turner - Texas A&M
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Post by Aris on Jan 20, 2024 12:58:11 GMT -5
So it begins.... 6: R1 P6 WR Marvin Harrison Jr. - Ohio State 39: R2 P7 QB JJ McCarthy - Michigan 47: R2 P15 CB Quinyon Mitchell - Toledo 70: R3 P6 DL Byron Murphy - Texas 107: R4 P7 OT Javon Foster - Missouri 142: R5 P6 DL Darius Robinson - Missouri 182: R6 P7 S Sione Vaki - Utah Takes time for the big boards to catch up with the talent on tape/video/film ect....thus Darius Robinson and Sione Vaki gotten so late. I know the Giants need IOL but this class is a bit less talented as a group and no value for me in his this draft and how it played out. I am a huge fan of Joe Alt, and many mocks have him going to us, rightfully. He's a plug and play stud...right left...no matter for this once tight end and now huge tackle that can bend and run. Still, when a Marvin Harrison, the best player in this draft falls to you...you get the franchise WR. JJ will not be a second round QB...I'd be shocked. He has a canon for an arm, wheels and a love for the game. He needs to learn to layer passes, but throw 15 pounds on his core and thighs and give him a few years...you might have the franchise QB. I'd have no problems the Giants taking him 6, but a more likely scenario would be the Giants hoping he drops a bit and we trade back into the 1st round and snag him. My favorite guard on tape is Cooper Beebe. He's a massive kid that will overpower in a gap run game, and fluid enough for pass pro. Smart rugged player, and expect lanes to open with the proper playcalling. Jayden Daniels hides a lot of poor blocking. At 6? Miss you GL
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 20, 2024 15:10:35 GMT -5
P6: Joe Alt OT (was tempted to go Jayden Daniels, but I'm assuming that Schoen likes Jones in this scenario) P39: Cooper Beebe OG P43: Traded to the Saints for pick 174, 2025 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th round picks (doubt this would ever happen).
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Post by Kase1 on Jan 20, 2024 15:14:06 GMT -5
So it begins.... 6: R1 P6 WR Marvin Harrison Jr. - Ohio State 39: R2 P7 QB JJ McCarthy - Michigan 47: R2 P15 CB Quinyon Mitchell - Toledo 70: R3 P6 DL Byron Murphy - Texas 107: R4 P7 OT Javon Foster - Missouri 142: R5 P6 DL Darius Robinson - Missouri 182: R6 P7 S Sione Vaki - Utah Takes time for the big boards to catch up with the talent on tape/video/film ect....thus Darius Robinson and Sione Vaki gotten so late. I know the Giants need IOL but this class is a bit less talented as a group and no value for me in his this draft and how it played out. I am a huge fan of Joe Alt, and many mocks have him going to us, rightfully. He's a plug and play stud...right left...no matter for this once tight end and now huge tackle that can bend and run. Still, when a Marvin Harrison, the best player in this draft falls to you...you get the franchise WR. JJ will not be a second round QB...I'd be shocked. He has a canon for an arm, wheels and a love for the game. He needs to learn to layer passes, but throw 15 pounds on his core and thighs and give him a few years...you might have the franchise QB. I'd have no problems the Giants taking him 6, but a more likely scenario would be the Giants hoping he drops a bit and we trade back into the 1st round and snag him. My favorite guard on tape is Cooper Beebe. He's a massive kid that will overpower in a gap run game, and fluid enough for pass pro. Smart rugged player, and expect lanes to open with the proper playcalling. Jayden Daniels hides a lot of poor blocking. At 6? Miss you GL I like, but don't love this mock... I understand it and would be cool with it for the most part. My only gripes are I would rather invest in a vet CB if Adoree leaves. We are so young at that position, it would make me more comfortable to have someone with more than 2yrs experience. I think Flott has been in the league the longest and he was a rookie 2yrs ago I believe. This is a nice year for DTs, especially 3techs. Leonard Taylor and Byron Murphy are 2 day 1 starters we can get day 2 to replace LWs production. While it's not a GREAT year for IOL. we can make it 1 by finding OTs that transition better to OG in the pros. I would like to find a replacement for McK because I don't see him coming back, I see him signing for big bucks elsewhere. It's sad because once Wink was gone, I thought McKinney was a lock to stay, but not so much anymore
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Post by Kase1 on Jan 20, 2024 16:40:33 GMT -5
R1 P6 WR Rome Odunze - Washington 39: R2 P7 QB Michael Penix Jr. - Washington 47: R2 P15 G Cooper Beebe - Kansas State 70: R3 P6 S Calen Bullock - USC 107: R4 P7 EDGE Mohamed Kamara - Colorado State 142: R5 P6 DL Darius Robinson - Missouri 182: R6 P7 RB Frank Gore Jr. - Southern Mississippi
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 21, 2024 9:26:11 GMT -5
P6: Joe Alt OT (was tempted to go Jayden Daniels, but I'm assuming that Schoen likes Jones in this scenario) P39: Cooper Beebe OG P43: Traded to the Saints for pick 174, 2025 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th round picks (doubt this would ever happen). I’m not easing up on Jones. Regarding the OL, I think we all think it’s nuts to add another Top 10 pick there. It’s actually a shame. Have to wonder though, if the Giants go tackle and Neal slid inside does the OL improve significantly? Like near the top or the top of the NFL. You can’t go OT imo just to fix it, to make it average b/c the overall roster isn’t good enough.
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Post by Aris on Jan 21, 2024 9:50:09 GMT -5
A trade....but we're stuck with Jones draft
6: R1 P6 WR Marvin Harrison Jr. - Ohio State
Still allowing me to take the best player in the draft...although I will assume JJ will be gone before our 2nd round. We want McCarthy we will need to trade up.
45: R2 P13 S Kamren Kinchens - Miami
Not since the great Ed Reed and Sean Taylor have the Hurricanes produced a safety for a first round. Let's hope that stays that way, and KK slips to us in the 2nd.
47: R2 P15 G Jackson Powers-Johnson - Oregon
Center my ass. Wrestling demon that played left and right guard for 2 seasons, some tackle and...on the DL. Versatile day 1 starter.
70: R3 P6 DL Maason Smith - LSU
3 tech monster. I watch LSU weekly. He might not be Donald, but he will be a disruptive player on certain downs. Interior pressure is key, and while we can use a DE/Edge/OLB opposite KT, I always find getting any this late near impossible. Like offensive tackles, the guys who can get to the QB from the edge are scouted hard, evaluated the longest, and the best always chosen high. Tackles are reached for as technique is a difficult thing to master.
107: R4 P7 G Dominick Puni - Kansas
He's a senior bowl invite which shall IMHO allow some rising or falling. I believe he is a sleeper pick after watching much film. ....this Jayhawk can play tackle, guard and yes, center. Probably a guard in the NFL. Older guy with 6 years of college.
135: R4 P35 CB Nehemiah Pritchett - Auburn
Versatile outside corner...can play man and can play zone. With Wink gone, we might be better suited for these type of corners. Kid can run but is skinny. Get him in my strength and fitness gym and I'll have him gain 1 pound of muscle in 6 weeks. Peanut butter, 2 jars a day...it is key unless allergic. Then death will happen after much farting, and not doing a weekend at Bernies with our outside cover guys. I expect him to rise...not from the dead, but on the boards
136: R4 P36 TE Erick All - Iowa
Erick "does" All would be his UFC name. Wolverines to the Hawkeyes or tight end university, and now NFL. Tore is ACL, and last year was a void. I'm drafting him here, and fully expect him to be a to go starter in the NFL.
Some Michigan 21 highlights ....
142: R5 P6 RB Dillon Johnson - Washington
He has declared. Get him in the 5th round to replace Barkley with our new offensive line, as Neal becomes all pro, and our two drafted guards both share offensive rookie of the years. The new me... optimistic and dumb...or maybe just happy. Nah...dumb.
182: R6 P7 DL Darius Robinson - Missouri
5 tech run stopper...great film for me, but if you don't want to bore yourself take the word of the draft network
Prospect Projection: Day 2 — Adequate Starter
Size:
Height: 6’5” | Weight: 296 lbs
Accomplishments:
First Team All-SEC (2023)
“One of the draft’s premier run defenders, Darius Robinson’s power and evolving pass-rush approach will quickly pave the way for snaps in the NFL.”
Strengths:
Physical at the point of attack
Technician against run (stack/shed)
Rip/swipe vs. both run/pass
Inside/out pass rush repertoire
Concerns:
Over-reliant on power
Flexibility
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Post by Aris on Jan 21, 2024 10:01:23 GMT -5
P6: Joe Alt OT (was tempted to go Jayden Daniels, but I'm assuming that Schoen likes Jones in this scenario) P39: Cooper Beebe OG P43: Traded to the Saints for pick 174, 2025 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th round picks (doubt this would ever happen). I’m not easing up on Jones. Regarding the OL, I think we all think it’s nuts to add another Top 10 pick there. It’s actually a shame. Have to wonder though, if the Giants go tackle and Neal slid inside does the OL improve significantly? Like near the top or the top of the NFL. You can’t go OT imo just to fix it, to make it average b/c the overall roster isn’t good enough. Neal and Jones would be a firing offense if they play like last year. I was an avid supporter of the Neal pick despite thinking wrongly about Penning being the best OT of the class and Neal 4....but there is no way we allow for no plan B if Neal starts off as a major leak again. It might be a bad pick if indeed Neal finally becomes a decent starter somewhere else...but Alt is a starter day 1, and a good one to great quickly. Neal as a starting right tackle is as big a gamble as Jones trying to navigate a pocket off an ACL. You do see flashes
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 21, 2024 10:03:04 GMT -5
P6: Joe Alt OT (was tempted to go Jayden Daniels, but I'm assuming that Schoen likes Jones in this scenario) P39: Cooper Beebe OG P43: Traded to the Saints for pick 174, 2025 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th round picks (doubt this would ever happen). I’m not easing up on Jones. Regarding the OL, I think we all think it’s nuts to add another Top 10 pick there. It’s actually a shame. Have to wonder though, if the Giants go tackle and Neal slid inside does the OL improve significantly? Like near the top or the top of the NFL. You can’t go OT imo just to fix it, to make it average b/c the overall roster isn’t good enough. I don't expect anyone to ease up on Jones, people can feel how they feel. When doing a mock if Schoen thinks Jones is the guy he won't go QB round 1, if Schoen doesn't think a QB there for him is a future star he won't go QB, if Schoen doesn't have faith in Jones and likes one of the QBs he'll pick him. Daniels is my favorite QB in the draft, but in this case Schoen had faith in Jones and skipped QB.
With that said it was not my plan to go OT and looking at this draft I'm hoping we go WR in round 1. I don't think there is anyway we go OT/OG in round 1 and 2 honestly. I think we sign a free agent OL and then go OL in either the 1st or 2nd. I think if we signed Mike Onwenu, drafted Joe Alt and moved Neal to OG we would have one of the best OLs in football and no one would care how many first round picks it took.
Long story short I don't think this mock would happen, but it's January and I was bored before the playoff game started.
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 21, 2024 10:08:25 GMT -5
I’m not easing up on Jones. Regarding the OL, I think we all think it’s nuts to add another Top 10 pick there. It’s actually a shame. Have to wonder though, if the Giants go tackle and Neal slid inside does the OL improve significantly? Like near the top or the top of the NFL. You can’t go OT imo just to fix it, to make it average b/c the overall roster isn’t good enough. Neal and Jones would be a firing offense if they play like last year. I was an avid supporter of the Neal pick despite thinking wrongly about Penning being the best OT of the class and Neal 4....but there is no way we allow for no plan B if Neal starts off as a major leak again. It might be a bad pick if indeed Neal finally becomes a decent starter somewhere else...but Alt is a starter day 1, and a good one to great quickly. Neal as a starting right tackle is as big a gamble as Jones trying to navigate a pocket off an ACL. You do see flashes 100% Neal has not been all bad like many people think. He really struggles with certain things, but in general when he gets his hands on people he's a capable blocker. I think he could do really well at OG. With that said I can't imagine a world in which Daboll is willing to bet his job on Neal suddenly being a good RT protecting a QB coming off an ACL injury. That is WAY too big of a risk IMO. I'm not sure it'll be Alt (or any other first round OT) or if it'll be Onwenu (or some other free agent) but they need a plan B at the very least.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 21, 2024 10:47:45 GMT -5
P6: Joe Alt OT (was tempted to go Jayden Daniels, but I'm assuming that Schoen likes Jones in this scenario) P39: Cooper Beebe OG P43: Traded to the Saints for pick 174, 2025 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th round picks (doubt this would ever happen). I’m not easing up on Jones. Regarding the OL, I think we all think it’s nuts to add another Top 10 pick there. It’s actually a shame. Have to wonder though, if the Giants go tackle and Neal slid inside does the OL improve significantly? Like near the top or the top of the NFL. You can’t go OT imo just to fix it, to make it average b/c the overall roster isn’t good enough. I think the biggest improvement this year bodes with the O Line coaching change. I really like what I've read about him, actually have some hope that he can teach these guys. Something we've been lacking for too long now.
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 21, 2024 12:10:42 GMT -5
I’m not easing up on Jones. Regarding the OL, I think we all think it’s nuts to add another Top 10 pick there. It’s actually a shame. Have to wonder though, if the Giants go tackle and Neal slid inside does the OL improve significantly? Like near the top or the top of the NFL. You can’t go OT imo just to fix it, to make it average b/c the overall roster isn’t good enough. I think the biggest improvement this year bodes with the O Line coaching change. I really like what I've read about him, actually have some hope that he can teach these guys. Something we've been lacking for too long now. www.silverandblackpride.com/2024/1/19/24043890/raiders-news-carmen-bricillo-offensive-line-coach-giants Bricillo has some of that on his résumé. He wasn’t a favorite of players in Las Vegas, according to multiple sources. There were questions about his coaching techniques, and the Raiders didn’t exactly put up a fight to retain his services, given his connection to coach Josh McDaniels, who was fired Oct. 31. idk 🤷♂️ - seems we keep firing coaches we are high on and then replace them different coaches were are high on. I really don’t know anymore.
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Post by Kase1 on Jan 21, 2024 13:38:02 GMT -5
P6: Joe Alt OT (was tempted to go Jayden Daniels, but I'm assuming that Schoen likes Jones in this scenario) P39: Cooper Beebe OG P43: Traded to the Saints for pick 174, 2025 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th round picks (doubt this would ever happen). I’m not easing up on Jones. Regarding the OL, I think we all think it’s nuts to add another Top 10 pick there. It’s actually a shame. Have to wonder though, if the Giants go tackle and Neal slid inside does the OL improve significantly? Like near the top or the top of the NFL. You can’t go OT imo just to fix it, to make it average b/c the overall roster isn’t good enough. I do think it's crazy to draft another RT on the top 10, it really depends if we are gonna try to stick a round peg in a square hole and force Neal to remain at RT. I, like many others feel that he will flourish and reach full potential at OG. Ideally we move him to OG and sign Mike Onwenu
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Post by Kase1 on Jan 21, 2024 14:31:01 GMT -5
I’m not easing up on Jones. Regarding the OL, I think we all think it’s nuts to add another Top 10 pick there. It’s actually a shame. Have to wonder though, if the Giants go tackle and Neal slid inside does the OL improve significantly? Like near the top or the top of the NFL. You can’t go OT imo just to fix it, to make it average b/c the overall roster isn’t good enough. I don't expect anyone to ease up on Jones, people can feel how they feel. When doing a mock if Schoen thinks Jones is the guy he won't go QB round 1, if Schoen doesn't think a QB there for him is a future star he won't go QB, if Schoen doesn't have faith in Jones and likes one of the QBs he'll pick him. Daniels is my favorite QB in the draft, but in this case Schoen had faith in Jones and skipped QB.
With that said it was not my plan to go OT and looking at this draft I'm hoping we go WR in round 1. I don't think there is anyway we go OT/OG in round 1 and 2 honestly. I think we sign a free agent OL and then go OL in either the 1st or 2nd. I think if we signed Mike Onwenu, drafted Joe Alt and moved Neal to OG we would have one of the best OLs in football and no one would care how many first round picks it took.
Long story short I don't think this mock would happen, but it's January and I was bored before the playoff game started.
Alt at RT and use Onwenu as an OG? That's ALOT of capital invested into the OL, but if it works, which it better, then we are sitting in a nice position. ...And DJ apologists won't have any more excuses
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 21, 2024 16:20:23 GMT -5
Alt at RT and use Onwenu as an OG? That's ALOT of capital invested into the OL, but if it works, which it better, then we are sitting in a nice position. ...And DJ apologists won't have any more excuses Yeah that's a lot invested into the OL. What's the alternative though? We have no choice but to bring in two more players for the OL. That's also IMO the top tier move to fix the OL, not something I think will actually happen. I could see us bringing in a different free agent (I think this is a good free agent OL group) and going WR in round 1 and OL in round 2.
I don't think anyone is making excuses when they say this OL is garbage. They just gave up a record number of sacks. Whether the QB is Jones or Josh Allen or some rookie that's a fact, they're trash. Jones might not be an elite QB, hell he might not even be good, but he damn sure is the not worst part of this offense. If we don't fix the worst part then replacing Jones or Barkley won't matter.
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 21, 2024 16:30:03 GMT -5
www.silverandblackpride.com/2024/1/19/24043890/raiders-news-carmen-bricillo-offensive-line-coach-giants Bricillo has some of that on his résumé. He wasn’t a favorite of players in Las Vegas, according to multiple sources. There were questions about his coaching techniques, and the Raiders didn’t exactly put up a fight to retain his services, given his connection to coach Josh McDaniels, who was fired Oct. 31. idk 🤷♂️ - seems we keep firing coaches we are high on and then replace them different coaches were are high on. I really don’t know anymore. I think that story is a crock of shit honestly.
These are reports of him before he was linked to our madman of a coach. One of the quotes directly from a named player, another quote corroborated by Bricillo. He signs here though and suddenly he "wasn't a favorite of players". Sure. Provide the quotes people said (not you, the "journalist").
"Carm's (OL Coach Carmen Bricillo) guys love playing with him."
""Since the first day Carm came in, he's just demanded perfection, and you really don't want anything else from a coach, especially an offensive line coach, with the consistency that's required to play offense line. So, since day one, he came in, and he's pushed our group to do better in everything we do. And we really respect that. Like I said, you want a guy like that, just a good guy you want to have in your room. And guys respect him, he's a great leader, and it's been great having him." - Andre James
The player told me: "That wasn't the way things had been done around here before. (Name withheld) said to me, 'Carmen just f***ing apologized to us. Can you f***ing believe that?' I was like, my position coach wouldn't do that. I think everybody on this team respects Carmen, and the O-line loves him because he is real."
I asked another Raiders offensive lineman about it, and he told me: "It earned my trust."
I asked Bricillo about that incident and what the players said he had "Earned their trust." Getting him to discuss himself is difficult, but he said: "That is the No. 1 wording. It comes down to trust. To get past a problem or an issue, you have to recognize its existence, and you have to improve upon and get past it. To do that, you have to have a trust factor that to express a vulnerability to a group of peers that I screwed that up; that's on me; I try to do that whether I drew the wrong card or I tell players if I installed it wrong, or taught it wrong, I saw that wrong, or whatever it may be, it comes down to that word: trust. If you want to do it and demonstrate it, and you want them to do it and demonstrate it back to you, then you have to demonstrate it back to them."
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 21, 2024 16:44:42 GMT -5
www.silverandblackpride.com/2024/1/19/24043890/raiders-news-carmen-bricillo-offensive-line-coach-giants Bricillo has some of that on his résumé. He wasn’t a favorite of players in Las Vegas, according to multiple sources. There were questions about his coaching techniques, and the Raiders didn’t exactly put up a fight to retain his services, given his connection to coach Josh McDaniels, who was fired Oct. 31. idk 🤷♂️ - seems we keep firing coaches we are high on and then replace them different coaches were are high on. I really don’t know anymore. I think that story is a crock of shit honestly.
These are reports of him before he was linked to our madman of a coach. One of the quotes directly from a named player, another quote corroborated by Bricillo. He signs here though and suddenly he "wasn't a favorite of players". Sure. Provide the quotes people said (not you, the "journalist").
"Carm's (OL Coach Carmen Bricillo) guys love playing with him."
""Since the first day Carm came in, he's just demanded perfection, and you really don't want anything else from a coach, especially an offensive line coach, with the consistency that's required to play offense line. So, since day one, he came in, and he's pushed our group to do better in everything we do. And we really respect that. Like I said, you want a guy like that, just a good guy you want to have in your room. And guys respect him, he's a great leader, and it's been great having him." - Andre James
The player told me: "That wasn't the way things had been done around here before. (Name withheld) said to me, 'Carmen just f***ing apologized to us. Can you f***ing believe that?' I was like, my position coach wouldn't do that. I think everybody on this team respects Carmen, and the O-line loves him because he is real."
I asked another Raiders offensive lineman about it, and he told me: "It earned my trust."
I asked Bricillo about that incident and what the players said he had "Earned their trust." Getting him to discuss himself is difficult, but he said: "That is the No. 1 wording. It comes down to trust. To get past a problem or an issue, you have to recognize its existence, and you have to improve upon and get past it. To do that, you have to have a trust factor that to express a vulnerability to a group of peers that I screwed that up; that's on me; I try to do that whether I drew the wrong card or I tell players if I installed it wrong, or taught it wrong, I saw that wrong, or whatever it may be, it comes down to that word: trust. If you want to do it and demonstrate it, and you want them to do it and demonstrate it back to you, then you have to demonstrate it back to them."
let’s hope he works out. Seems we so often praise for coaches before wishing them axed followed by praise from coaches who were axed elsewhere.
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 21, 2024 21:40:09 GMT -5
let’s hope he works out. Seems we so often praise for coaches before wishing them axed followed by praise from coaches who were axed elsewhere. Fingers crossed. To be honest though I very rarely say a coach should be fired, especially in our lastest runs where we are churning through coaching staffs and being shocked no one has sustained success. It's like building a house but knocking it down everyday when the sun sets and hiring a new crew the next morning.
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