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Post by Bigjeep on Aug 31, 2023 11:38:31 GMT -5
Tough schedule and our back ups are a very deep drop off in talent! No real injuries, maybe 11 and 6! Key injuries, 9 and 8!
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Post by myronguyton on Aug 31, 2023 11:40:36 GMT -5
Or maybe it's a true metric of a young team. We have a lot of starters playing on rookie contracts. Unproven question marks. Edited my post... Or maybe it's a true metric of a young team. We have a lot of starters playing on rookie contracts. Isaiah Hodgins Evan Neal John Michael Schmitz Tre Hawkins Deonte Banks Kayvon Thibodeaux Xavier McKinney Darius Slayton Jaylin Hyatt Ben Bredeson Mark Glowinski Paris Campbell Sterling Shepherd Wan'dale Robinson Jihad Ward Azeez Ojulari Isiah Simmons Jason Pinnock Daniel Bellinger These are all key players who are either on rookie contracts or are playing on relatively inexpensive contracts. I dont think your argument about cap balance relating to a lack of depth holds up. Furthermore, depth players shouldn't be eating up a ton of cap space anyway. Or perhaps I'm misunderstanding your point? |
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Post by myronguyton on Aug 31, 2023 11:46:48 GMT -5
Edited my post... Or maybe it's a true metric of a young team. We have a lot of starters playing on rookie contracts. Isaiah Hodgins Evan Neal John Michael Schmitz Tre Hawkins Deonte Banks Kayvon Thibodeaux Xavier McKinney Darius Slayton Jaylin Hyatt Ben Bredeson Mark Glowinski Paris Campbell Sterling Shepherd Wan'dale Robinson Jihad Ward Azeez Ojulari Isiah Simmons Jason Pinnock Daniel Bellinger These are all key players who are either on rookie contracts or are playing on relatively inexpensive contracts. I dont think your argument about cap balance relating to a lack of depth holds up. Furthermore, depth players shouldn't be eating up a ton of cap space anyway. Or perhaps I'm misunderstanding your point? The glaring lack of depth is on the oline...but there are probably less than a handful of teams in the nfl that have solid depth in that area. It's a concern across the league. |
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Post by TEM on Aug 31, 2023 12:03:47 GMT -5
Edited my post... Or maybe it's a true metric of a young team. We have a lot of starters playing on rookie contracts. Isaiah HodginsEvan Neal................................?John Michael Schmitz............?
Tre Hawkins............................?
Deonte Banks.........................?
Kayvon Thibodeaux...............?Xavier McKinney Darius Slayton Jaylin Hyatt............................?Ben Bredeson Mark Glowinski His cap hit is 8.4 millionParis Campbell Sterling Shepherd Wan'dale Robinson......................?Jihad Ward Azeez OjulariIsiah SimmonsJason Pinnock Daniel BellingerThese are all key players who are either on rookie contracts or are playing on relatively inexpensive contracts. I dont think your argument about cap balance relating to a lack of dpth holds up. Furthermore, depth players shouldn't be eating up a ton of cap space anyway. Or perhaps I'm misunderstanding your point? 7 players that are starting are huge question marks. (could go either way). The 2 top 10 picks from 2022 have yet to show why they were. I am not convinced Glowinski and Bredeson are not anything more than glorified PS players. Pinnock showed sings in the preseason games. But still just an unproven converted corner. Simmons and Oju have upside potential. Simmons did not fare well in AZ, Oju has yet to string 8 games together. Both unproven. An unbiased observation. I hope it comes together. The statistical data is accurate throughout cap era. I stand by its output. |
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Post by inthezone on Aug 31, 2023 12:04:32 GMT -5
Our cap spending is unbalanced. That is true metric of lack of depth on the roster. (I posted that spending breakdown yesterday.) Or maybe it's a true metric of a young team. We have a lot of starters playing on rookie contracts. Isaiah Hodgins Evan Neal John Michael Schmitz Tre Hawkins Deonte Banks Kayvon Thibodeaux Xavier McKinney Darius Slayton Jaylin Hyatt Ben Bredeson Mark Glowinski Paris Campbell Sterling Shepherd Wan'dale Robinson Jihad Ward Azeez Ojulari Isiah Simmons Jason Pinnock These are all key players who are either on rookie contracts or are playing on relatively inexpensive contracts. I dont think your argument about cap balance relating to a lack of depth holds up. Furthermore, depth players shouldn't be eating up a ton of csp space anyway. Or perhaps I'm misunderstanding your point? Some pretty blatant mistakes on this list it's hard to think you are a fan of this team claiming some of them are still on rookie contracts. |
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Post by inthezone on Aug 31, 2023 12:08:05 GMT -5
Edited my post... Or maybe it's a true metric of a young team. We have a lot of starters playing on rookie contracts. Isaiah HodginsEvan Neal................................?John Michael Schmitz............?
Tre Hawkins............................?
Deonte Banks.........................?
Kayvon Thibodeaux...............?Xavier McKinney Darius Slayton Jaylin Hyatt............................?Ben Bredeson Mark Glowinski His cap hit is 8.4 millionParis Campbell Sterling Shepherd Wan'dale Robinson......................?Jihad Ward Azeez OjulariIsiah SimmonsJason Pinnock Daniel BellingerThese are all key players who are either on rookie contracts or are playing on relatively inexpensive contracts. I dont think your argument about cap balance relating to a lack of dpth holds up. Furthermore, depth players shouldn't be eating up a ton of cap space anyway. Or perhaps I'm misunderstanding your point? 7 players that are starting are huge question marks. (could go either way). The 2 top 10 picks from 2022 have yet to show why they were. I am not convinced Glowinski and Bredeson are not anything more than glorified PS players. Pinnock showed sings in the preseason games. But still just an unproven converted corner. Simmons and Oju have upside potential. Simmons did not fare well in AZ, Oju has yet to string 8 games together. Both unproven. An unbiased observation. I hope it comes together. The statistical data is accurate throughout cap era. I stand by its output. I would add Pinnock as an unproven liability also. I hope the captains will hold players accountable for lazy missed tackles like they did in the 80s and early 90s teams.. |
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Post by presumablygunner on Aug 31, 2023 12:12:02 GMT -5
Mckinney is also on a rookie contract
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Post by TEM on Aug 31, 2023 12:13:49 GMT -5
7 players that are starting are huge question marks. (could go either way). The 2 top 10 picks from 2022 have yet to show why they were. I am not convinced Glowinski and Bredeson are not anything more than glorified PS players. Pinnock showed sings in the preseason games. But still just an unproven converted corner. Simmons and Oju have upside potential. Simmons did not fare well in AZ, Oju has yet to string 8 games together. Both unproven. An unbiased observation. I hope it comes together. The statistical data is accurate throughout cap era. I stand by its output. I would add Pinnock as an unproven liability also. I hope the captains will hold players accountable for lazy missed tackles like they did in the 80s and early 90s teams.. He is not the best cover guy. He has 23 targets against him (career) and 17 resulted in a completion. I will say he has 0 quit in him. That is a player you want on the field. |
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Post by inthezone on Aug 31, 2023 12:15:54 GMT -5
I would add Pinnock as an unproven liability also. I hope the captains will hold players accountable for lazy missed tackles like they did in the 80s and early 90s teams.. He is not the best cover guy. He has 23 targets against him (career) and 17 resulted in a completion. I will say he has 0 quit in him. That is a player you want on the field. He also might be the worse tackler starting in the league. It was a mistake to let Love go for this guy. |
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Post by TEM on Aug 31, 2023 12:20:13 GMT -5
He is not the best cover guy. He has 23 targets against him (career) and 17 resulted in a completion. I will say he has 0 quit in him. That is a player you want on the field. He also might be the worse tackler starting in the league. It was a mistake to let Love go for this guy. Love was a cap thing. More than a let him walk thing. I get the FO has to prioritize who gets the money first and where that money is needed. Cap distribution is a dance on a tight rope. Any wrong move and the season plumets to the ground. |
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Post by presumablygunner on Aug 31, 2023 12:25:26 GMT -5
He also might be the worse tackler starting in the league. It was a mistake to let Love go for this guy. Love was a cap thing. More than a let him walk thing. I get the FO has to prioritize who gets the money first and where that money is needed. Cap distribution is a dance on a tight rope. Any wrong move and the season plumets to the ground. Love... you always appreciate it more when it's gone |
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Post by inthezone on Aug 31, 2023 12:25:41 GMT -5
He also might be the worse tackler starting in the league. It was a mistake to let Love go for this guy. Love was a cap thing. More than a let him walk thing. I get the FO has to prioritize who gets the money first and where that money is needed. Cap distribution is a dance on a tight rope. Any wrong move and the season plumets to the ground. Could've kept Love and let Slayton walk instead. I didn't like this move in the off season along without bringing in a vet Tackle/Guard on a short term basis. |
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Post by TEM on Aug 31, 2023 12:38:39 GMT -5
Love was a cap thing. More than a let him walk thing. I get the FO has to prioritize who gets the money first and where that money is needed. Cap distribution is a dance on a tight rope. Any wrong move and the season plumets to the ground. Could've kept Love and let Slayton walk instead. I didn't like this move in the off season along without bringing in a vet Tackle/Guard on a short term basis. That was a tough call for them. IMO At the time they had more DBs that they trusted than WRs |
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Post by McCherry on Aug 31, 2023 12:45:30 GMT -5
Love was a cap thing. More than a let him walk thing. I get the FO has to prioritize who gets the money first and where that money is needed. Cap distribution is a dance on a tight rope. Any wrong move and the season plumets to the ground. Could've kept Love and let Slayton walk instead. I didn't like this move in the off season along without bringing in a vet Tackle/Guard on a short term basis. Slayton is more valuable to the team than Love. And I wasn't even that big of a Slayton fan. But there was nobody available in free agency who was comparable. I don't think there's any drop off with Pinnock over Love. |
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Post by McCherry on Aug 31, 2023 12:48:43 GMT -5
Edited my post... Or maybe it's a true metric of a young team. We have a lot of starters playing on rookie contracts. Isaiah HodginsEvan Neal................................?John Michael Schmitz............?
Tre Hawkins............................?
Deonte Banks.........................?
Kayvon Thibodeaux...............?Xavier McKinney Darius Slayton Jaylin Hyatt............................?Ben Bredeson Mark Glowinski His cap hit is 8.4 millionParis Campbell Sterling Shepherd Wan'dale Robinson......................?Jihad Ward Azeez OjulariIsiah SimmonsJason Pinnock Daniel BellingerThese are all key players who are either on rookie contracts or are playing on relatively inexpensive contracts. I dont think your argument about cap balance relating to a lack of dpth holds up. Furthermore, depth players shouldn't be eating up a ton of cap space anyway. Or perhaps I'm misunderstanding your point? 7 players that are starting are huge question marks. (could go either way). The 2 top 10 picks from 2022 have yet to show why they were. I am not convinced Glowinski and Bredeson are not anything more than glorified PS players. Pinnock showed sings in the preseason games. But still just an unproven converted corner. Simmons and Oju have upside potential. Simmons did not fare well in AZ, Oju has yet to string 8 games together. Both unproven. An unbiased observation. I hope it comes together. The statistical data is accurate throughout cap era. I stand by its output. Nothing we've seen from them indicates they are PS players. That's biased. As for Ojulari, all the guy has done is produce when he's on the field. The only question is will he stay healthy? |
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Post by SG88 on Aug 31, 2023 12:56:16 GMT -5
There's actually a lot to like about the Giants. They have a better roster and this head coach is something special. Yes, it is not a finished product, but I will say that this team is nowhere near the pushover it was 2 years ago. I am all in on Brian Daboll and all in on this team making that jump to the NFC Championship (barring any significant injuries). I find the predictions of being under .500 funny. As fans, we need to raise the bar instead of expecting middling results and then using the schedule as an excuse for that kind of prediction. There is a fine line between "excuse" and logical reason. "The New York Giants tallied nine wins last season, and their over/under for 2023 is set at 7.5 victories. The New York Giants' current odds to win the Super Bowl (+5280) rank them 20th in the NFL. Bookmakers have given them +163 odds to advance to the playoffs." I really do understand that and where you're coming from. I'm just raising the bar as far as expectations are concerned. I am sure that the franchise is as well. A losing season IMO, regardless of schedule, would be a setback. I'm far from a homer as most know, and feel that we should expect big things from this team. I'm going to take the over on that bet 7.5 win projection all day long. If we stay healthy with minimal injuries, why not us in the NFCC? |
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Post by TEM on Aug 31, 2023 13:14:09 GMT -5
7 players that are starting are huge question marks. (could go either way). The 2 top 10 picks from 2022 have yet to show why they were. I am not convinced Glowinski and Bredeson are not anything more than glorified PS players. Pinnock showed sings in the preseason games. But still just an unproven converted corner. Simmons and Oju have upside potential. Simmons did not fare well in AZ, Oju has yet to string 8 games together. Both unproven. An unbiased observation. I hope it comes together. The statistical data is accurate throughout cap era. I stand by its output. Nothing we've seen from them indicates they are PS players. That's biased. As for Ojulari, all the guy has done is produce when he's on the field. The only question is will he stay healthy? My opinion is unbiased. Based upon observation. Neither are that good. ( I am not the only one that sees it.) Glowaski was ranked 28th did not even make the top 32 That PFF. www.pff.com/news/nfl-offensive-guard-rankings-2023-nfl-seasonNeither of our OGs made this list in the top 32 www.profootballnetwork.com/best-guards-nfl-rankings/ I hope they are good enough. We'll know against Dallas' pass rush soon enough. |
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Post by myronguyton on Aug 31, 2023 13:26:27 GMT -5
Or maybe it's a true metric of a young team. We have a lot of starters playing on rookie contracts. Isaiah Hodgins Evan Neal John Michael Schmitz Tre Hawkins Deonte Banks Kayvon Thibodeaux Xavier McKinney Darius Slayton Jaylin Hyatt Ben Bredeson Mark Glowinski Paris Campbell Sterling Shepherd Wan'dale Robinson Jihad Ward Azeez Ojulari Isiah Simmons Jason Pinnock These are all key players who are either on rookie contracts or are playing on relatively inexpensive contracts. I dont think your argument about cap balance relating to a lack of depth holds up. Furthermore, depth players shouldn't be eating up a ton of csp space anyway. Or perhaps I'm misunderstanding your point? Some pretty blatant mistakes on this list it's hard to think you are a fan of this team claiming some of them are still on rookie contracts. Or maybe you didn't read the post carefully enough. I said of the players listed that they are either on rookie contracts OR relatively inexpensive contracts in regard to the salary cap. |
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Post by myronguyton on Aug 31, 2023 13:32:34 GMT -5
Edited my post... Or maybe it's a true metric of a young team. We have a lot of starters playing on rookie contracts. Isaiah HodginsEvan Neal................................?John Michael Schmitz............?
Tre Hawkins............................?
Deonte Banks.........................?
Kayvon Thibodeaux...............?Xavier McKinney Darius Slayton Jaylin Hyatt............................?Ben Bredeson Mark Glowinski His cap hit is 8.4 millionParis Campbell Sterling Shepherd Wan'dale Robinson......................?Jihad Ward Azeez OjulariIsiah SimmonsJason Pinnock Daniel BellingerThese are all key players who are either on rookie contracts or are playing on relatively inexpensive contracts. I dont think your argument about cap balance relating to a lack of dpth holds up. Furthermore, depth players shouldn't be eating up a ton of cap space anyway. Or perhaps I'm misunderstanding your point? 7 players that are starting are huge question marks. (could go either way). The 2 top 10 picks from 2022 have yet to show why they were. I am not convinced Glowinski and Bredeson are not anything more than glorified PS players. Pinnock showed sings in the preseason games. But still just an unproven converted corner. Simmons and Oju have upside potential. Simmons did not fare well in AZ, Oju has yet to string 8 games together. Both unproven. An unbiased observation. I hope it comes together. The statistical data is accurate throughout cap era. I stand by its output. You're really reaching for criticism. Do this for the Eagles and Chiefs roster next. I bet they have just as many players starting that would be considered a question mark if you are consistent with your analysis. |
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Post by McCherry on Aug 31, 2023 13:37:42 GMT -5
Nothing we've seen from them indicates they are PS players. That's biased. As for Ojulari, all the guy has done is produce when he's on the field. The only question is will he stay healthy? My opinion is unbiased. Based upon observation. Neither are that good. ( iam am not the only one that see it.) Glowaski was ranked 28th did not even make the top 32 That PFF. www.pff.com/news/nfl-offensive-guard-rankings-2023-nfl-seasonNeither of our OGs made this list in the top 32 www.profootballnetwork.com/best-guards-nfl-rankings/ I hope they are good enough. We'll know against Dallas' pass rush soon enough. PFF gave Glowinski a 63 rating last year which is above average. At the same time, anybody who watched the Giants saw that Bredeson was the better Guard. Your unbiased opinion is based on a biased rating system. All I'm saying is they're "middle of the pack", which is far from PS caliber. We'll find out soon if they're still good enough this year. |
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Post by TEM on Aug 31, 2023 13:41:53 GMT -5
PFF gave Glowinski a 63 rating last year which is above average. At the same time, anybody who watched the Giants saw that Bredeson was the better Guard. All I'm saying is that your unbiased opinion is based on a biased rating system. They're "middle of the pack", which is far from PS caliber. We'll find out soon if they're still good enough this year. My opinion is based upon what I have watched. This preseason did make them look to be anything different than the guys behind them. I hope I am wrong. The 3 D-lines in the NFC east they are up against are among the best in the league. That will be the Judge and Jury on them. |
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Post by hof56lt on Aug 31, 2023 13:52:27 GMT -5
Love was a cap thing. More than a let him walk thing. I get the FO has to prioritize who gets the money first and where that money is needed. Cap distribution is a dance on a tight rope. Any wrong move and the season plumets to the ground. Love... you always appreciate it more when it's gone  |
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Post by inthezone on Aug 31, 2023 17:06:14 GMT -5
Could've kept Love and let Slayton walk instead. I didn't like this move in the off season along without bringing in a vet Tackle/Guard on a short term basis. Slayton is more valuable to the team than Love. And I wasn't even that big of a Slayton fan. But there was nobody available in free agency who was comparable. I don't think there's any drop off with Pinnock over Love. Thanks for the response and we will have to disagree on this for both comments. |
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 31, 2023 17:28:07 GMT -5
There is a fine line between "excuse" and logical reason. "The New York Giants tallied nine wins last season, and their over/under for 2023 is set at 7.5 victories. The New York Giants' current odds to win the Super Bowl (+5280) rank them 20th in the NFL. Bookmakers have given them +163 odds to advance to the playoffs." Last year's odds was also 7.5 games. Easy money this year. There’s the kiss of death |
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Post by presumablygunner on Aug 31, 2023 18:08:52 GMT -5
Last year's odds was also 7.5 games. Easy money this year. There’s the kiss of death Do you regularly give people that much power? Must be stressful |
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Post by 3days on Aug 31, 2023 19:21:47 GMT -5
PFF gave Glowinski a 63 rating last year which is above average. At the same time, anybody who watched the Giants saw that Bredeson was the better Guard. All I'm saying is that your unbiased opinion is based on a biased rating system. They're "middle of the pack", which is far from PS caliber. We'll find out soon if they're still good enough this year. My opinion is based upon what I have watched. This preseason did make them look to be anything different than the guys behind them. I hope I am wrong. The 3 D-lines in the NFC east they are up against are among the best in the league. That will be the Judge and Jury on them. I think it is somewhere in the middle, both are respectable backups, but it is bad news when you need them to start. |
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Post by Vandelay on Aug 31, 2023 19:35:55 GMT -5
Split with Commanders
Wins against Seattle Ariz LA GB NO NE LV
So 8 wins. Maybe Philly doesn’t need the last game and we can get 9.
Same old thing . Until we figure out how to handle Parsons, Lawrence, Cox , Graham, now Carter, Payne. Etc
We’ll continue to struggle in our own division. And we threaten no one at WR and still evaluating our QB…
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Post by miss86 on Aug 31, 2023 19:48:11 GMT -5
11-6
at home Dallas - Loss - We have yet to beat them
away Az - Win
away San Fran - Win - I think we give Purdy Problems
home Seattle - Win - Richie is not on the team
away Miami - Win - Giant's D knocks the snot out of Tua.
away Buffalo - Loss
home Washington - win
home Jets - loss This would make me sick
away LV - Win
away dallas - loss
away Washington - loss
home Patriots - Win
home GB - Win
away NO - Win
away Philthy - loss
home Rams - Win
home Philthy - Win - I hope
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Aug 31, 2023 23:02:03 GMT -5
8-9. I just realistically think the schedule is brutal. I hope it will be better, but if I were betting on it that’s where my money would be.
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Post by miggs on Aug 31, 2023 23:55:00 GMT -5
In two years Schoen has combined the old with new players into a hell of a Giants team. Just wish the schedule skeptics and those who want to see the Giants first prove it, lower your voices as the season is about to begin. That won't take much time as the Giants surprised fans by coming out of gate fast last season as they raced to a 6-1 record by committing few penalties and turnovers, and combined that with a well-executed offensive and defensive system with far less talent than now.
If you want to to argue some other teams have marginally better talent do so, but even if that is true, the Giants well-executed schemes on both sides of the ball are so good, they are only matched by teams like KC, the Eagles, and maybe the Niners.
So, sit-back and enjoy some great and exciting Giants football. You'll be lighting-up a cigar more than not at the end of games, and hopefully often by half-time if both Daboll and wink open the spigots early on!
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