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Post by GameTime on Sept 3, 2023 8:02:57 GMT -5
This is obvious to anyone who watched football about Mahomes ( and other QBs) but good to see Jones is wanting to put that in his bag of tools.
Ryan Dunleavy reported 1 of the 1st things Daniel Jones studied during the offseason was Patrick Mahomes’ film & what he does that makes him great. Jones’ biggest takeaway was how Mahomes adjusts his arm slot in different situations to throw off defenders & still focuses downfield on his off platform throws. We may never see a Mahomes type season from Jones, but seeing his tireless MJ-esque work ethic makes me (Jon) proud he is the QB of this team.
Danielle Parhizkaran/newjersey.com
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Post by presumablygunner on Sept 3, 2023 10:49:57 GMT -5
I'm just glad the world is finally figuring this shit out
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Post by presumablygunner on Sept 3, 2023 17:47:39 GMT -5
Every. Single. Tool.
Hyatt on Jones
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Post by GameTime on Sept 3, 2023 18:16:00 GMT -5
Every. Single. Tool. Hyatt on Jones My skeptical take on Jones was would he be able to put his game together on a consistent basis. He always had all the tools. Prior to last season I was still skeptical but he convinced me he can take the next steps. Especially with this new staff. Daboll could have half assed it with Jones and it would have been no harm no foul in the perception of the NFL busieness. However he took Jones to task and it worked out great. I see no reason at all why Jones wont or cant continue to refine and improve his game. He has not reached his ceiling.
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Post by TCHOF on Sept 3, 2023 18:22:34 GMT -5
Every. Single. Tool. Hyatt on Jones Jones’ work ethic is well known … has been for years Major reason why we all root for the guy. That and the fact that he’s a Giant and we’re all Giants fans
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Post by GameTime on Sept 3, 2023 18:28:49 GMT -5
Every. Single. Tool. Hyatt on Jones Jones’ work ethic is well known … has been for years A very good interview with Jones by Peter Schwartz prior to last season he asked Jones if he planned to work harder or change the way he prepares. Jones said something to the effect of I have always worked and focused on football as hard as I could. Its just a matter of it all coming together and trusting the process to pay off.
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Post by Analyst on Sept 6, 2023 11:35:56 GMT -5
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Post by GameTime on Sept 6, 2023 14:13:51 GMT -5
Guess that’s good for whatever it means
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Post by Analyst on Sept 6, 2023 15:03:56 GMT -5
Guess that’s good for whatever it means It means on the all important 2nd downs, DJ was a surgeon. His completions were well above average even with Kenny Golladay on the field, and he converted that high completion rate into the most exceeded team points on average. Any metric you can use that puts you better than Patrick Mahomes is pretty good. For this one, DJ was the NFC Patrick Mahomes....
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Post by miggs on Sept 6, 2023 15:50:27 GMT -5
Guess that’s good for whatever it means Anytime a player is at the top of the chart in efficiency as Jones is, it means a lot. The coaching staff taught Jones the basic skill set necessary for him to perform well last season, but Jones went beyond the coaching. Could see that in all his fourth quarter winning comebacks when he came through when he repeatedly faced third and long situations.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 6, 2023 16:03:20 GMT -5
Guess that’s good for whatever it means It means on the all important 2nd downs, DJ was a surgeon. His completions were well above average even with Kenny Golladay on the field, and he converted that high completion rate into the most exceeded team points on average. Any metric you can use that puts you better than Patrick Mahomes is pretty good. For this one, DJ was the NFC Patrick Mahomes.... Was just listening to a talking head the other day commenting on Jones’ 2nd down proficiency.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 6, 2023 16:05:05 GMT -5
Guess that’s good for whatever it means Anytime a player is at the top of the chart in efficiency as Jones is, it means a lot. The coaching staff taught Jones the basic skill set necessary for him to perform well last season, but Jones went beyond the coaching. Could see that in all his fourth quarter winning comebacks when he came through when he repeatedly faced third and long situations. This chart is for 2nd downs.
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Post by miggs on Sept 7, 2023 13:04:45 GMT -5
Really like how authentic Wink is.
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Post by miggs on Sept 7, 2023 13:06:11 GMT -5
It means on the all important 2nd downs, DJ was a surgeon. His completions were well above average even with Kenny Golladay on the field, and he converted that high completion rate into the most exceeded team points on average. Any metric you can use that puts you better than Patrick Mahomes is pretty good. For this one, DJ was the NFC Patrick Mahomes.... Was just listening to a talking head the other day commenting on Jones’ 2nd down proficiency. Being no. 1 in the NFL on any down is noteworthy. Doubt that Jones slipped that much, if at all, on third downs as well.
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Post by jimmieray on Sept 7, 2023 13:54:42 GMT -5
Anytime a player is at the top of the chart in efficiency as Jones is, it means a lot. The coaching staff taught Jones the basic skill set necessary for him to perform well last season, but Jones went beyond the coaching. Could see that in all his fourth quarter winning comebacks when he came through when he repeatedly faced third and long situations. This chart is for 2nd downs. Not to be picky, but if the situation is stated as "downs: 2" maybe that means 2 downs have already occurred and it is really 3rd down?
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Post by GameTime on Sept 7, 2023 15:11:55 GMT -5
This chart is for 2nd downs. Not to be picky, but if the situation is stated as "downs: 2" maybe that means 2 downs have already occurred and it is really 3rd down? I believe it is 2nd down. Heard commentary that Jones was really efficient on 2nd downs.
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Post by Zimonami on Sept 7, 2023 16:24:09 GMT -5
Guess that’s good for whatever it means It means on the all important 2nd downs, DJ was a surgeon. His completions were well above average even with Kenny Golladay on the field, and he converted that high completion rate into the most exceeded team points on average. Any metric you can use that puts you better than Patrick Mahomes is pretty good. For this one, DJ was the NFC Patrick Mahomes.... Maybe, before too long, you can say "Patrick Mahomes is the AFC Daniel Jones."
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Post by Zimonami on Sept 7, 2023 16:40:09 GMT -5
This chart is for 2nd downs. Not to be picky, but if the situation is stated as "downs: 2" maybe that means 2 downs have already occurred and it is really 3rd down? Game Time might be right... but, what you say makes sense, JR. It's the all important 3rd down that is usually cited... a teams 3rd Down Conversion % .... considered one of the important stats for an offense.. So, Game Time could be right about what he heard, but it's also possible that someone down the line misinterpreted and said it was for 2nd down when the graph maker used 3rd downs as the barometer. Either way, DJ's doing well, and let's even hope he can be better with his new weapons and rebuilding line. Another picky point... If you kick a FG, then you must have failed on your 3rd down conversion. Yet, if you kick a FG you scored and the drive was still productive.... a new stat ... % of failed 3rd down conversion, but netted 3. It's like a leaner in horse shoes.
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Post by Analyst on Sept 7, 2023 16:44:43 GMT -5
This chart is for 2nd downs. Not to be picky, but if the situation is stated as "downs: 2" maybe that means 2 downs have already occurred and it is really 3rd down? No, it's 2nd downs.
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Post by jimmieray on Sept 7, 2023 17:31:14 GMT -5
Not to be picky, but if the situation is stated as "downs: 2" maybe that means 2 downs have already occurred and it is really 3rd down? Game Time might be right... but, what you say makes sense, JR. It's the all important 3rd down that is usually cited... a teams 3rd Down Conversion % .... considered one of the important stats for an offense.. So, Game Time could be right about what he heard, but it's also possible that someone down the line misinterpreted and said it was for 2nd down when the graph maker used 3rd downs as the barometer. Either way, DJ's doing well, and let's even hope he can be better with his new weapons and rebuilding line. Another picky point... If you kick a FG, then you must have failed on your 3rd down conversion. Yet, if you kick a FG you scored and the drive was still productive.... a new stat ... % of failed 3rd down conversion, but netted 3. It's like a leaner in horse shoes. I'm a backyard level horseshoe player, when with friends a leaner is worth 2 points and there's quite a bit of excitement in getting one or trying to knock off someone else's. My dad however, was a top level player and took me to play against some very serious fellas - a leaner is only worth 1 point and considered the product of a poorly thrown shoe with them...
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Post by jimmieray on Sept 7, 2023 17:37:28 GMT -5
Not to be picky, but if the situation is stated as "downs: 2" maybe that means 2 downs have already occurred and it is really 3rd down? No, it's 2nd downs. Then that chart should just state "on 2nd down", like all other stats compiled would. "Downs: 2" again sounds like situations where 2 downs have already been done. 2nd down is not a key situation, you have many choices at that point and not getting a first down is rarely considered a failure. You guys just can't handle the thought of miggs being right, LOL!
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Post by miggs on Sept 7, 2023 17:50:52 GMT -5
The Banter Boys are terrific analysts. But Schneider now portraying himself as being in Jones camp last season is not how Schneider portrayed himself last season. As I found myself very disappointed in his not being totally on board with Jones last season.
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Post by Zimonami on Sept 7, 2023 18:16:47 GMT -5
Game Time might be right... but, what you say makes sense, JR. It's the all important 3rd down that is usually cited... a teams 3rd Down Conversion % .... considered one of the important stats for an offense.. So, Game Time could be right about what he heard, but it's also possible that someone down the line misinterpreted and said it was for 2nd down when the graph maker used 3rd downs as the barometer. Either way, DJ's doing well, and let's even hope he can be better with his new weapons and rebuilding line. Another picky point... If you kick a FG, then you must have failed on your 3rd down conversion. Yet, if you kick a FG you scored and the drive was still productive.... a new stat ... % of failed 3rd down conversion, but netted 3. It's like a leaner in horse shoes. I'm a backyard level horseshoe player, when with friends a leaner is worth 2 points and there's quite a bit of excitement in getting one or trying to knock off someone else's. My dad however, was a top level player and took me to play against some very serious fellas - a leaner is only worth 1 point and considered the product of a poorly thrown shoe with them... lol... I've played me some horseshoes and leaner was always 2... but for the perfectionists, I see their mindset... It was a lucky bounce and lean from a throw that never would've been a ringer.... so, why reward it with 2?
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Post by Analyst on Sept 7, 2023 18:24:08 GMT -5
Then that chart should just state "on 2nd down", like all other stats compiled would. "Downs: 2" again sounds like situations where 2 downs have already been done. 2nd down is not a key situation, you have many choices at that point and not getting a first down is rarely considered a failure. You guys just can't handle the thought of miggs being right, LOL! Uh. Ok. Sounds like you need a Snickers to be honest. I don't even know or care what "miggs" said. It's a chart I pulled off the internet. It said it was an all 2nd down plays compilation. 2nd down is a very important down to be honest.
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Post by jimmieray on Sept 7, 2023 19:01:14 GMT -5
I'm a backyard level horseshoe player, when with friends a leaner is worth 2 points and there's quite a bit of excitement in getting one or trying to knock off someone else's. My dad however, was a top level player and took me to play against some very serious fellas - a leaner is only worth 1 point and considered the product of a poorly thrown shoe with them... lol... I've played me some horseshoes and leaner was always 2... but for the perfectionists, I see their mindset... It was a lucky bounce and lean from a throw that never would've been a ringer.... so, why reward it with 2? It makes the game more thrilling for those who are less likely to be getting ringers, and moves the game along quicker for those waiting for their turn.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 7, 2023 19:01:26 GMT -5
Not to be picky, but if the situation is stated as "downs: 2" maybe that means 2 downs have already occurred and it is really 3rd down? Game Time might be right... but, what you say makes sense, JR. It's the all important 3rd down that is usually cited... a teams 3rd Down Conversion % .... considered one of the important stats for an offense.. So, Game Time could be right about what he heard, but it's also possible that someone down the line misinterpreted and said it was for 2nd down when the graph maker used 3rd downs as the barometer. Either way, DJ's doing well, and let's even hope he can be better with his new weapons and rebuilding line. Another picky point... If you kick a FG, then you must have failed on your 3rd down conversion. Yet, if you kick a FG you scored and the drive was still productive.... a new stat ... % of failed 3rd down conversion, but netted 3. It's like a leaner in horse shoes. B Or if you are proficient on 2nd downs then not as many 3rd downs are needed.
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Post by jimmieray on Sept 7, 2023 19:05:29 GMT -5
Then that chart should just state "on 2nd down", like all other stats compiled would. "Downs: 2" again sounds like situations where 2 downs have already been done. 2nd down is not a key situation, you have many choices at that point and not getting a first down is rarely considered a failure. You guys just can't handle the thought of miggs being right, LOL! Uh. Ok. Sounds like you need a Snickers to be honest. I don't even know or care what "miggs" said. It's a chart I pulled off the internet. It said it was an all 2nd down plays compilation. 2nd down is a very important down to be honest. That's fine, bottom line is Jones did what they wanted to see in him.
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Post by miggs on Sept 7, 2023 21:09:40 GMT -5
KC and Lions didn't look good in the first-half.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Sept 7, 2023 21:32:07 GMT -5
Lol Phoney with three drops including one bounce off his hands to the tune of Engram for an interception return touchdown😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by vinnie on Sept 7, 2023 22:03:39 GMT -5
I can’t take anything in this thread seriously just based on the title.
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