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Post by idkaname on Aug 23, 2023 9:33:43 GMT -5
Not my words, Chris Collingsworth(less)  Haha. He didn't say that exactly but he does have a point about Jones' ability to maneuver in the pocket, which is a huge assest for the WRs/Oline Skip to about the 2:00 min mark |
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Post by TEM on Aug 23, 2023 9:38:14 GMT -5
How the pendulum swings. He went from bust to best. How about him being somewhere in the middle and quietly win games.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 23, 2023 9:42:32 GMT -5
Man I always thought he didn't have enough around him protection and weapons wise this goes a bit far with a comparison to Mahomes.
That said a few years ago the chiefs revamped their OL with some vet talent and rookie Mahomes struggled the first half of the year while OL was finding their footing, when pressure is coming from every where it is hard on the best if they can protect DJ can be a top 10 QB maybe even just outside of top 5.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 23, 2023 9:45:02 GMT -5
How the pendulum swings. He went from bust to best. How about him being somewhere in the middle and quietly win games. Lets see if they can block right now we know 1 maybe 2 are pretty dependable all QBs need a certain amount of protection quick inside pressure ruins offensive. |
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Post by piddy283 on Aug 23, 2023 10:05:30 GMT -5
My biggest concern with Jones at this point is his health. He needs to get better at avoiding hits. If healthy, he has the surrounding cast to be a consensus top 10 QB.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Aug 23, 2023 10:48:06 GMT -5
How the pendulum swings. He went from bust to best. How about him being somewhere in the middle and quietly win games. Coaching is EVERYTHING in the NFL...Fire Fisher, Hire McVeigh.....add a few FA's, and Superbowl.  |
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Post by GameTime on Aug 23, 2023 10:53:32 GMT -5
Not my words, Chris Collingsworth(less) Haha. He didn't say that exactly but he does have a point about Jones' ability to maneuver in the pocket, which is a huge assest for the WRs/Oline Skip to about the 2:00 min mark He says he reminds him of Mahomes the way he plays the game. He clearly said Jones is NOT Pat Mahomes Lets not false advertise here....lol |
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Post by jimmieray on Aug 23, 2023 10:59:34 GMT -5
How the pendulum swings. He went from bust to best. How about him being somewhere in the middle and quietly win games. Coaching is EVERYTHING in the NFL...Fire Fisher, Hire McVeigh.....add a few FA's, and Superbowl. This is why it blows my mind why teams' F.O.s don't aggressively pursue proven coaches with bigger contracts and perks - none of that goes against the salary cap, and look at all they invested elsewhere. |
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Post by jimmieray on Aug 23, 2023 11:00:52 GMT -5
Not my words, Chris Collingsworth(less) Haha. He didn't say that exactly but he does have a point about Jones' ability to maneuver in the pocket, which is a huge assest for the WRs/Oline Skip to about the 2:00 min mark He says he reminds him of Mahomes the way he plays the game. He clearly said Jones is NOT Pat Mahomes Lets not false advertise here....lol You haven't seen Jones fly like Superman, while delivering the ball on a scramble? |
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 23, 2023 11:25:18 GMT -5
Coaching is EVERYTHING in the NFL...Fire Fisher, Hire McVeigh.....add a few FA's, and Superbowl. This is why it blows my mind why teams' F.O.s don't aggressively pursue proven coaches with bigger contracts and perks - none of that goes against the salary cap, and look at all they invested elsewhere. Fisher WAS the proven coach and McVeigh wasn't. |
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Post by TEM on Aug 23, 2023 11:26:20 GMT -5
How the pendulum swings. He went from bust to best. How about him being somewhere in the middle and quietly win games. Coaching is EVERYTHING in the NFL...Fire Fisher, Hire McVeigh.....add a few FA's, and Superbowl. Coaching is a big aspect, |
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Post by jimmieray on Aug 23, 2023 11:29:02 GMT -5
This is why it blows my mind why teams' F.O.s don't aggressively pursue proven coaches with bigger contracts and perks - none of that goes against the salary cap, and look at all they invested elsewhere. Fisher WAS the proven coach and McVeigh wasn't. Good point, but it was the "coaching is everything" that I meant to reinforce here. |
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Post by McCherry on Aug 23, 2023 11:48:03 GMT -5
Coaching is EVERYTHING in the NFL...Fire Fisher, Hire McVeigh.....add a few FA's, and Superbowl. This is why it blows my mind why teams' F.O.s don't aggressively pursue proven coaches with bigger contracts and perks - none of that goes against the salary cap, and look at all they invested elsewhere. Theses days it's all about catching lightning with the young up and comer over the retread. But I agree, no sport relies on coaching more then the NFL. Weak coaching has destroyed talented teams. |
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Post by GameTime on Aug 23, 2023 11:54:15 GMT -5
He says he reminds him of Mahomes the way he plays the game. He clearly said Jones is NOT Pat Mahomes Lets not false advertise here....lol You haven't seen Jones fly like Superman, while delivering the ball on a scramble? I really dig Jones' game more and more. He won me over last season. The kid earned his stripes and will continue to do so. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Aug 23, 2023 12:36:40 GMT -5
more proof we can diagnose CTE before an autopsy.
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Post by idkaname on Aug 23, 2023 12:56:46 GMT -5
Not my words, Chris Collingsworth(less) Haha. He didn't say that exactly but he does have a point about Jones' ability to maneuver in the pocket, which is a huge assest for the WRs/Oline Skip to about the 2:00 min mark He says he reminds him of Mahomes the way he plays the game. He clearly said Jones is NOT Pat Mahomes Lets not false advertise here....lol yeah...that part was intentional. Easier to weed out who actually watched the video  |
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Post by idkaname on Aug 23, 2023 13:03:21 GMT -5
Coaching is EVERYTHING in the NFL...Fire Fisher, Hire McVeigh.....add a few FA's, and Superbowl. This is why it blows my mind why teams' F.O.s don't aggressively pursue proven coaches with bigger contracts and perks - none of that goes against the salary cap, and look at all they invested elsewhere. Do you mean like steal them away from other teams, with more pay etc? or guys that have had past success? I don't get it |
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Post by jimmieray on Aug 23, 2023 13:22:08 GMT -5
This is why it blows my mind why teams' F.O.s don't aggressively pursue proven coaches with bigger contracts and perks - none of that goes against the salary cap, and look at all they invested elsewhere. Do you mean like steal them away from other teams, with more pay etc? or guys that have had past success? I don't get it Yes, steal them away. Andy Reid makes 12 million a year, most other HCs make less than 10 million. There are WRs that make almost twice that. Which is going to elevate a roster more? |
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Post by imgrate on Aug 23, 2023 13:27:05 GMT -5
Do you mean like steal them away from other teams, with more pay etc? or guys that have had past success? I don't get it Yes, steal them away. Andy Reid makes 12 million a year, most other HCs make less than 10 million. There are WRs that make almost twice that. Which is going to elevate a roster more? You cant hire a coach in a lateral move without the team he is currently under contract consenting to it. That said, I don’t know how creative teams have tried to be or if there’s rules stopping them from making up some arbitrary position that has slightly more power than head coach (think front office responsibilities as well) and hiring someone away |
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Post by Nite on Aug 23, 2023 13:31:03 GMT -5
Sum fanbois are getting the itchies..
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Post by idkaname on Aug 23, 2023 13:49:30 GMT -5
Do you mean like steal them away from other teams, with more pay etc? or guys that have had past success? I don't get it Yes, steal them away. Andy Reid makes 12 million a year, most other HCs make less than 10 million. There are WRs that make almost twice that. Which is going to elevate a roster more? Like Imgram said...it's obviously not that simple. First of all, why would a team let a top tier coach leave ? You think there's a team in the league that couldn't match the difference between 4-5 million? Secondly, you technically CAN trade for a coach but that's likely more costly than the top 2 players in the league combined but yeah, if it was that easy, don't you think Jerry Jones would've sold his soul(does he have one?) already? |
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Post by jimmieray on Aug 23, 2023 13:58:36 GMT -5
Yes, steal them away. Andy Reid makes 12 million a year, most other HCs make less than 10 million. There are WRs that make almost twice that. Which is going to elevate a roster more? Like Imgram said...it's obviously not that simple. First of all, why would a team let a top tier coach leave ? You think there's a team in the league that couldn't match the difference between 4-5 million? Secondly, you technically CAN trade for a coach but that's likely more costly than the top 2 players in the league combined but yeah, if it was that easy, don't you think Jerry Jones would've sold his soul(does he have one?) already? I don't know the details, so I throw these things out for discussion here. The Eagles let Reid go, going back to my original example. With Jerry Jones, there's likely a list of coaches that he would deem not subservient enough, and he's likely on some top coach's list that they would never report to. |
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Post by idkaname on Aug 23, 2023 14:19:55 GMT -5
Like Imgram said...it's obviously not that simple. First of all, why would a team let a top tier coach leave ? You think there's a team in the league that couldn't match the difference between 4-5 million? Secondly, you technically CAN trade for a coach but that's likely more costly than the top 2 players in the league combined but yeah, if it was that easy, don't you think Jerry Jones would've sold his soul(does he have one?) already? I don't know the details, so I throw these things out for discussion here. The Eagles let Reid go, going back to my original example. With Jerry Jones, there's likely a list of coaches that he would deem not subservient enough, and he's likely on some top coach's list that they would never report to. That's fair on Jones. As for Reid...he was fired lol |
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Post by kerryisdaman on Aug 23, 2023 15:02:19 GMT -5
I don't know the details, so I throw these things out for discussion here. The Eagles let Reid go, going back to my original example. With Jerry Jones, there's likely a list of coaches that he would deem not subservient enough, and he's likely on some top coach's list that they would never report to. That's fair on Jones. As for Reid...he was fired lol The rap on Andy back then was he couldn't win in the playoffs. I bet he smiles at that now 2 superbowls later. |
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Post by idkaname on Aug 23, 2023 15:25:55 GMT -5
That's fair on Jones. As for Reid...he was fired lol The rap on Andy back then was he couldn't win in the playoffs. I bet he smiles at that now 2 superbowls later. to be fair...he did trail by double digits in both SB wins. Would he have won those with any other QB than Mahomes? hmmm |
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Post by kerryisdaman on Aug 23, 2023 15:38:47 GMT -5
The rap on Andy back then was he couldn't win in the playoffs. I bet he smiles at that now 2 superbowls later. to be fair...he did trail by double digits in both SB wins. Would he have won those with any other QB than Mahomes? hmmm I don't think Andy was really the issue in Philly. People put too much one 1 player or 1 coach. There is so much involved in winning a ring. |
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Post by FBomb on Aug 23, 2023 17:01:39 GMT -5
more proof we can diagnose CTE before an autopsy. hmmmm....🤔 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2023 7:57:04 GMT -5
It's strange that Danny is getting all sorts of positive media attention and that we really don't know much about him ourselves. Likely because he has the most vanilla interviews ever (more vanilla than Eli) and because the team was so bad his first 3 seasons no one paid much attention to him. Idk if comparing him to Mahomes is a good take, we've yet to see any indication he can play at that level. Hopefully with the upgrades around him this year we'll see it but until then I'd hold off on reading in to any comparison of him to Mahomes. The rap on Andy back then was he couldn't win in the playoffs. I bet he smiles at that now 2 superbowls later. to be fair...he did trail by double digits in both SB wins. Would he have won those with any other QB than Mahomes? hmmm I believe Mahomes does everything that Reid that Mcnabb wasn't capable of. Donovan Mcnabb wasn't a bad QB he just had a limited skillset that could only go so far in Andy Reid's offense. Similarly Kevin Kolb and Michael Vick weren't able to execute Andy's offense at a high level either. My best way to describe it would be Andy had a brilliant idea, he just didn't have the right resource until he found Mahomes. What I do know is I'm thankful Philly fired him, could you imagine if he stayed and the Eagles drafted Travis Kelce, Tyreek Hill, Mahomes, Kareem Hunt and everyone else who contributed to the Chiefs dominance, I wouldn't want to face that twice a year. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2023 7:59:43 GMT -5
With Jerry Jones, there's likely a list of coaches that he would deem not subservient enough, and he's likely on some top coach's list that they would never report to. Jason Garrett had a record of 85-67 in his 10 seasons with Dallas, if he were the head coach of at least 20 other teams in the league he'd still have a job. |
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Post by idkaname on Aug 24, 2023 8:09:30 GMT -5
It's strange that Danny is getting all sorts of positive media attention and that we really don't know much about him ourselves. Likely because he has the most vanilla interviews ever (more vanilla than Eli) and because the team was so bad his first 3 seasons no one paid much attention to him. Idk if comparing him to Mahomes is a good take, we've yet to see any indication he can play at that level. Hopefully with the upgrades around him this year we'll see it but until then I'd hold off on reading in to any comparison of him to Mahomes. The rap on Andy back then was he couldn't win in the playoffs. I bet he smiles at that now 2 superbowls later. to be fair...he did trail by double digits in both SB wins. Would he have won those with any other QB than Mahomes? hmmm I believe Mahomes does everything that Reid that Mcnabb wasn't capable of. Donovan Mcnabb wasn't a bad QB he just had a limited skillset that could only go so far in Andy Reid's offense. Similarly Kevin Kolb and Michael Vick weren't able to execute Andy's offense at a high level either. My best way to describe it would be Andy had a brilliant idea, he just didn't have the right resource until he found Mahomes. What I do know is I'm thankful Philly fired him, could you imagine if he stayed and the Eagles drafted Travis Kelce, Tyreek Hill, Mahomes, Kareem Hunt and everyone else who contributed to the Chiefs dominance, I wouldn't want to face that twice a year. 1. Brett Veach is the one who chose Mahomes 2. If he stayed with the Eagles, he would have 0 rings 3. He didn't have the right resources until he found Mahomes? He's becoming on of the most prolific QBs ever and FAST. Any team that chose Mahomes would be super-bowl contenders every year and yes EVERY team |
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