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Post by Roosevelt on Sept 16, 2023 21:31:45 GMT -5
Time to erase the statement made last week. The question is can they and will they?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 16, 2023 21:54:13 GMT -5
My time tested pick is in the giants every week lol.
The Giants have the better roster it is time for them to play like it run the ball and stick with it get the OL in a groove then ease them into the passing game all well continuing to keep the run going.
Think it will help them get in a groove, if the first few runs aren't great keep at it don't turn away from it.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 16, 2023 22:05:11 GMT -5
Time to erase the statement made last week. The question is can they and will they?
They can. The question is will they allow theirselves to win this game the talent is there they are well versed in their systems on both sides of the ball. Not trying to be a jerk because the giants are just starting to possibly see the light we were the Cardinals back in 2017, came out game one and got beat by 63 yard field goal in a heart breaker to the Eagles. The Giants are the better team if they play clean football and Match the Cardinals intensity this should and will be a win.
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Post by giantbob71 on Sept 17, 2023 0:39:04 GMT -5
The Cardinals are the worst team in the NFL and many think they're going to tank for the first pick. If the Giants don't win this week, they know where they stand. I expect a pretty easy win.
Thursday is a different animal.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2023 1:17:25 GMT -5
I’m at work right now. I’m picking up extra tomorrow night because I can’t bring myself to watch so I figure I’ll make some money instead. Maybe next week.
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Post by blueblood on Sept 17, 2023 1:20:32 GMT -5
Think we win, but it won't necessarily be pretty.
G-Men 16-7
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Post by Analyst on Sept 17, 2023 3:47:29 GMT -5
Show me first
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Post by rickyg on Sept 17, 2023 4:11:26 GMT -5
a win is a win Giants 16-10
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Post by Fletch842 on Sept 17, 2023 6:17:40 GMT -5
hugely important game, given that we play the 49ers on Thursday night. Az is one of the "beatable" teams on our schedule, we must take advantage of it.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 17, 2023 6:38:22 GMT -5
I really DFK anymore.
They punched me in the gut last Sunday. This team unraveled like a cheap suit.
I can honestly say I have no idea what they will do this Sunday. My guess is an ugly win if they win, missed opportunities, and letting the Cards hang in there.
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Post by TEM on Sept 17, 2023 6:51:33 GMT -5
We will win twice this week.
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Post by Bigjeep on Sept 17, 2023 7:04:25 GMT -5
I really DFK anymore. They punched me in the gut last Sunday. This team unraveled like a cheap suit. I can honestly say I have no idea what they will do this Sunday. My guess is an ugly win if they win, missed opportunities, and letting the Cards hang in there. I feel the same way! Last week was beyond just a loss! It was the Titanic going down!
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Post by Fletch842 on Sept 17, 2023 8:16:51 GMT -5
We will win twice this week. I like the optimism, sadly can't say I share it though...
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Post by TEM on Sept 17, 2023 8:43:24 GMT -5
We will win twice this week. I like the optimism, sadly can't say I share it though... It is football. I think the talent on this team is good enough to win. I do not expect them to be world beaters. To me last Sunday was a string of bad luck events and one player, that allowed Dallas to take the Giants off their game plan. There was no magic wand Dallas waved to show the NFL how to beat the Giants. They could come on every play. They overwhelmed the o-line with constant presser. Here was the biggest problem with the Offense last week. I will say it again. The worst player on that Offense was the Center. He caused a lot of the problems. If the Ball is constituently being snapped low in the pistol and shotgun formations. and the QB has to scoop the ball off the ground. A) It throws the entire timing of the offense off. B) It removes Jet sweeps, RPOs , Running Options, Boot legs . ( causality) the QB is no position to fluidly run those plays. If he has scrape the ball off of the ground. C) Adds an addition second to the QB's release time. D) Destroys 75% of the play book.
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Post by Providence on Sept 17, 2023 8:55:58 GMT -5
I'm terrified of this game. We "should" beat Arizona. But I fear the impact of the beat down we took last Sunday night paired with the fear of the beat down we're going to take this Thursday night might squeeze our players and coaches into a bad head space. I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if they drop this one.
If Daboll wants to make a statement, then we gotta win this one and win it big. I really don't see that happening.
My prediction is we win by less than three and it feels like a loss.
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 17, 2023 9:01:35 GMT -5
yeah, this game should be a win. My gosh, if if isn’t
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 17, 2023 9:04:21 GMT -5
I like the optimism, sadly can't say I share it though... It is football. I think the talent on this team is good enough to win. I do not expect them to be world beaters. To me last Sunday was a string of bad luck events and one player, that allowed Dallas to take the Giants off their game plan. There was no magic wand Dallas waved to show the NFL how to beat the Giants. They could come on every play. They overwhelmed the o-line with constant presser. Here was the biggest problem with the Offense last week. I will say it again the worst player on that Offense was the Center. He caused a lot of the problems. If the Ball is constituently being snapped low in the pistol and shotgun formations. and the QB has to scoop the ball off the ground. A) It throws the entire timing of the offense off. B) It removes Jet sweeps, RPOs , Running Options, Boot legs . ( causality) the QB is no position to fluidly run those plays. If he has scrape the ball off of the ground. C) Adds an addition second to the QB's release time. D) Destroys 75% of the play book. meanwhile, Tippmann who was drafted earlier gets time to develop before starting at center
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Post by TEM on Sept 17, 2023 9:05:39 GMT -5
It is football. I think the talent on this team is good enough to win. I do not expect them to be world beaters. To me last Sunday was a string of bad luck events and one player, that allowed Dallas to take the Giants off their game plan. There was no magic wand Dallas waved to show the NFL how to beat the Giants. They could come on every play. They overwhelmed the o-line with constant presser. Here was the biggest problem with the Offense last week. I will say it again the worst player on that Offense was the Center. He caused a lot of the problems. If the Ball is constituently being snapped low in the pistol and shotgun formations. and the QB has to scoop the ball off the ground. A) It throws the entire timing of the offense off. B) It removes Jet sweeps, RPOs , Running Options, Boot legs . ( causality) the QB is no position to fluidly run those plays. If he has scrape the ball off of the ground. C) Adds an addition second to the QB's release time. D) Destroys 75% of the play book. meanwhile, Tippmann who was drafted earlier gets time to develop before starting at center Bingo.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 17, 2023 9:18:14 GMT -5
I like the optimism, sadly can't say I share it though... It is football. I think the talent on this team is good enough to win. I do not expect them to be world beaters. To me last Sunday was a string of bad luck events and one player, that allowed Dallas to take the Giants off their game plan. There was no magic wand Dallas waved to show the NFL how to beat the Giants. They could come on every play. They overwhelmed the o-line with constant presser. Here was the biggest problem with the Offense last week. I will say it again. The worst player on that Offense was the Center. He caused a lot of the problems. If the Ball is constituently being snapped low in the pistol and shotgun formations. and the QB has to scoop the ball off the ground. A) It throws the entire timing of the offense off. B) It removes Jet sweeps, RPOs , Running Options, Boot legs . ( causality) the QB is no position to fluidly run those plays. If he has scrape the ball off of the ground. C) Adds an addition second to the QB's release time. D) Destroys 75% of the play book. Over Even Neal and Glowinski? Nobody who watched the game would agree with that.
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Post by vinnie on Sept 17, 2023 9:22:28 GMT -5
I really DFK anymore. They punched me in the gut last Sunday. This team unraveled like a cheap suit. I can honestly say I have no idea what they will do this Sunday. My guess is an ugly win if they win, missed opportunities, and letting the Cards hang in there. Welcome back
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Post by vinnie on Sept 17, 2023 9:26:15 GMT -5
I like the optimism, sadly can't say I share it though... It is football. I think the talent on this team is good enough to win. I do not expect them to be world beaters. To me last Sunday was a string of bad luck events and one player, that allowed Dallas to take the Giants off their game plan. There was no magic wand Dallas waved to show the NFL how to beat the Giants. They could come on every play. They overwhelmed the o-line with constant presser. Here was the biggest problem with the Offense last week. I will say it again. The worst player on that Offense was the Center. He caused a lot of the problems. If the Ball is constituently being snapped low in the pistol and shotgun formations. and the QB has to scoop the ball off the ground. A) It throws the entire timing of the offense off. B) It removes Jet sweeps, RPOs , Running Options, Boot legs . ( causality) the QB is no position to fluidly run those plays. If he has scrape the ball off of the ground. C) Adds an addition second to the QB's release time. D) Destroys 75% of the play book. They didn’t need a magic wand, all they had to do is show what most people outside of overly optimistic Giants fans already knew…this roster is vastly overrated and last year was what some of us knew it was, a mirage of a decent team.
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Post by TEM on Sept 17, 2023 9:40:25 GMT -5
It is football. I think the talent on this team is good enough to win. I do not expect them to be world beaters. To me last Sunday was a string of bad luck events and one player, that allowed Dallas to take the Giants off their game plan. There was no magic wand Dallas waved to show the NFL how to beat the Giants. They could come on every play. They overwhelmed the o-line with constant presser. Here was the biggest problem with the Offense last week. I will say it again. The worst player on that Offense was the Center. He caused a lot of the problems. If the Ball is constituently being snapped low in the pistol and shotgun formations. and the QB has to scoop the ball off the ground. A) It throws the entire timing of the offense off. B) It removes Jet sweeps, RPOs , Running Options, Boot legs . ( causality) the QB is no position to fluidly run those plays. If he has scrape the ball off of the ground. C) Adds an addition second to the QB's release time. D) Destroys 75% of the play book. They didn’t need a magic wand, all they had to do is show what most people outside of overly optimistic Giants fans already knew… this roster is vastly overrated and last year was what some of us knew it was, a mirage of a decent team. Can elaborate on this show each position group as it compares to the rest of the league.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 17, 2023 9:45:13 GMT -5
It is football. I think the talent on this team is good enough to win. I do not expect them to be world beaters. To me last Sunday was a string of bad luck events and one player, that allowed Dallas to take the Giants off their game plan. There was no magic wand Dallas waved to show the NFL how to beat the Giants. They could come on every play. They overwhelmed the o-line with constant presser. Here was the biggest problem with the Offense last week. I will say it again. The worst player on that Offense was the Center. He caused a lot of the problems. If the Ball is constituently being snapped low in the pistol and shotgun formations. and the QB has to scoop the ball off the ground. A) It throws the entire timing of the offense off. B) It removes Jet sweeps, RPOs , Running Options, Boot legs . ( causality) the QB is no position to fluidly run those plays. If he has scrape the ball off of the ground. C) Adds an addition second to the QB's release time. D) Destroys 75% of the play book. They didn’t need a magic wand, all they had to do is show what most people outside of overly optimistic Giants fans already knew…this roster is vastly overrated and last year was what some of us knew it was, a mirage of a decent team. I think we all knew the roster wasn't very good last year (unless your name is Miggs) We hoped it's been somewhat improved this year. I still think it has. Maybe we've over-estimated it, I would just like to see a team ready to play football today.
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Post by jb456 on Sept 17, 2023 9:53:24 GMT -5
Think the Giants take this one and get destroyed next week
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Post by Fletch842 on Sept 17, 2023 10:08:15 GMT -5
It is football. I think the talent on this team is good enough to win. I do not expect them to be world beaters. To me last Sunday was a string of bad luck events and one player, that allowed Dallas to take the Giants off their game plan. There was no magic wand Dallas waved to show the NFL how to beat the Giants. They could come on every play. They overwhelmed the o-line with constant presser. Here was the biggest problem with the Offense last week. I will say it again. The worst player on that Offense was the Center. He caused a lot of the problems. If the Ball is constituently being snapped low in the pistol and shotgun formations. and the QB has to scoop the ball off the ground. A) It throws the entire timing of the offense off. B) It removes Jet sweeps, RPOs , Running Options, Boot legs . ( causality) the QB is no position to fluidly run those plays. If he has scrape the ball off of the ground. C) Adds an addition second to the QB's release time. D) Destroys 75% of the play book. Over Even Neal and Glowinski? Nobody who watched the game would agree with that. I also thought Neal/Glowinski were more of a problem. The low snaps were certainly a factor as well though. I'm reasonably hopeful that they can fix that one.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 17, 2023 10:10:48 GMT -5
Over Even Neal and Glowinski? Nobody who watched the game would agree with that. I also thought Neal/Glowinski were more of a problem. The low snaps were certainly a factor as well though. I'm reasonably hopeful that they can fix that one. Today, the Center is going to be one of the least of my worries.
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Post by Fletch842 on Sept 17, 2023 10:13:10 GMT -5
I also thought Neal/Glowinski were more of a problem. The low snaps were certainly a factor as well though. I'm reasonably hopeful that they can fix that one. Today, the Center is going to be one of the least of my worries. the way the team played last week, they all have me worried, lol
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Post by TEM on Sept 17, 2023 10:16:51 GMT -5
It is football. I think the talent on this team is good enough to win. I do not expect them to be world beaters. To me last Sunday was a string of bad luck events and one player, that allowed Dallas to take the Giants off their game plan. There was no magic wand Dallas waved to show the NFL how to beat the Giants. They could come on every play. They overwhelmed the o-line with constant presser. Here was the biggest problem with the Offense last week. I will say it again. The worst player on that Offense was the Center. He caused a lot of the problems. If the Ball is constituently being snapped low in the pistol and shotgun formations. and the QB has to scoop the ball off the ground. A) It throws the entire timing of the offense off. B) It removes Jet sweeps, RPOs , Running Options, Boot legs . ( causality) the QB is no position to fluidly run those plays. If he has scrape the ball off of the ground. C) Adds an addition second to the QB's release time. D) Destroys 75% of the play book. Over Even Neal and Glowinski? Nobody who watched the game would agree with that. Let's go back 3 weeks ago. When I said Glowinski and Bredeson were glorified PS players. ( I still stand by that statement). We both know what you said. How quick you run away from your stance. thegiantsboard.proboards.com/thread/13159/giants-2023-win-loss-predictions?page=3Now we established your views on talent level. ( i take any post you make about the o-line as a viewer) (most talking heads promote this lack of understanding to keep the viewer uninformed.) We got that. There is a difference between Viewing a game Watching a game. If the Offense cannot achieve the appearance Cahos and Misdirection, they are beat every time. This what some who just views the game. Only sees the obvious. This where the obvious become misleading. This scenario took place probably more than a few times on Sunday. An example: Just one of many plays that are designed like this. The QB takes the sap he roils to the right or left. The opposite side OG and OT let their guys go .Keeps them out of the play. The DT and Edge are chasing the QB as he rolls away from them. Designed to let those 2 run free. The QB throws the ball from the strong side. Play works. Here is the same play with the center snaping the ball into the ground. The OG an OT follow the play. Let their guy go following the design of the play. They are not aware of the centers miscue with the snap. The QB has to scoop the ball of the ground, He gets wacked by one or both of the 2 free d-linemen. What the viewer sees a failure of the 2 O-lineman (the talking heads jump on that bandwagon). Neither see the center as the one who caused the poor. execution of the play. These are plays we ran in HS. The center caused a lot of the Issues. If the center snaps the ball in the QB's numbers. It will be a completely different team.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 17, 2023 10:34:10 GMT -5
Over Even Neal and Glowinski? Nobody who watched the game would agree with that. Let's go back 3 weeks ago. When I said Glowinski and Bredeson were glorified PS players. We both know what you said. How quick you run away from your stance. thegiantsboard.proboards.com/thread/13159/giants-2023-win-loss-predictions?page=3Now we established your views on talent level. ( i take any post you make about the o-line as a viewer) (most talking heads promote this lack of understanding to keep the viewer uninformed.) We got that. There is a difference between Viewing a game Watching a game. If the Offense cannot achieve the appearance Cahos and Misdirection, They are beat every time. This what some who just views the game only see the obvious. This where the obvious become misleading. This scenario took place probably more than a few times. An example: (just one of many plays that are designed like this.) The QB takes the sap he roils to the right of left. The opposite side OG and OT let their guys go the keep them out of the play. the DT and Edge are chancing the QB as he rolls away from them. Designed to let those 2 run free. The QB throws the ball from the strong side. Play works. Here is the same play with the center snaping the ball into the ground. The OG an OT follow the play. Let their guy go following the design of the play. They are not aware of the centers miscue with the snap. The QB has to scoop the ball of the ground, He gets wacked by one or both of the 2 free d-linemen. What the viewer sees a failure of the 2 O-lineman (the talking heads jump on that bandwagon). Neither see the center as the one who caused the poor. execution of the play. You're changing the subject but ok... I said Bredeson was a slightly above average player and nothing about his performance this summer or week 1 disputes that. He was 32nd overall in pass blocking efficiency last week. Right in the middle of the pack where I ranked him. Hardly a glorified PS player. I said Glowinski was a solid player based on last year. Even your PFF reference has him graded as an above average player last season. What am I running from? Maybe Glowinski has regressed this year, sure looked like it in week 1. I think he has better games in him, but I'll take the L if that's not the case. And I always said the biggest question on the OL and the team was Neal, not the Guards. We at least have some options at Guard.
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Post by TEM on Sept 17, 2023 10:42:35 GMT -5
Let's go back 3 weeks ago. When I said Glowinski and Bredeson were glorified PS players. We both know what you said. How quick you run away from your stance. thegiantsboard.proboards.com/thread/13159/giants-2023-win-loss-predictions?page=3Now we established your views on talent level. ( i take any post you make about the o-line as a viewer) (most talking heads promote this lack of understanding to keep the viewer uninformed.) We got that. There is a difference between Viewing a game Watching a game. If the Offense cannot achieve the appearance Cahos and Misdirection, They are beat every time. This what some who just views the game only see the obvious. This where the obvious become misleading. This scenario took place probably more than a few times. An example: (just one of many plays that are designed like this.) The QB takes the sap he roils to the right of left. The opposite side OG and OT let their guys go the keep them out of the play. the DT and Edge are chancing the QB as he rolls away from them. Designed to let those 2 run free. The QB throws the ball from the strong side. Play works. Here is the same play with the center snaping the ball into the ground. The OG an OT follow the play. Let their guy go following the design of the play. They are not aware of the centers miscue with the snap. The QB has to scoop the ball of the ground, He gets wacked by one or both of the 2 free d-linemen. What the viewer sees a failure of the 2 O-lineman (the talking heads jump on that bandwagon). Neither see the center as the one who caused the poor. execution of the play. You're changing the subject but ok. I said Bredeson was a slightly above average player and nothing about his performance this summer or week 1 disputes that. He was 32nd overall in pass blocking efficiency last week. Right in the middle of the pack where I ranked him. Hardly a glorified PS player. I said Glowinski was a solid player based on last year. Even your PFF reference has him graded as an above average player last season. What am I running from? Maybe Glowinski has regressed this year, sure looked like it in week 1. I think he has better games in him, but I'll take the L if that's not the case. How is that? Did not change at any point in my post the subject matter. The center was a big problem. Just showing the truth and you own words on the OG. The center was the main problem with his lack of snaping ability. All he did compound the frailties of a subject O-line. The viewers of Football only see a small part of the field. I find it hilarious that some cannot see if the QB has to scoop the ball off the ground as big problem.
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