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Post by jay051 on Sept 18, 2023 8:37:55 GMT -5
Was the win special? No, it wasn't. Was the win impressive? Hell yes it was. The Giants had several opportunities to just give up. When the Cardinals answered the Giants TD with another of their own to go up 28-7, I thought that was demoralizing. Instead, they kept at it and finished off the comeback. Questions about the team still remain of course. When will they beat a really formidable opponent? Until then, the questions IMO are valid. We are far from a finished product. However, I feel a lot better this Monday than I did last Monday. Go Gmen It was a solid comeback win. The next four games are brutal though. |
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Post by miggs on Sept 18, 2023 8:47:22 GMT -5
I'd have some sympathy if Vinnie acknowledged how bad some of the Kafka's plays and play-calling were in the first half. He's clueless as are a few others here. Giants fans haven't see a good offense in many years.
Kafka has to stop short passes to Barkley on the backfield as such resulted in two interceptions.
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Post by Kase1 on Sept 18, 2023 13:19:21 GMT -5
A win is a win, doesn't matter if it's vs KC or CAR, it all adds up the same in the wins column. Lol, ok, so a win on Thurs against SF is just as impressive and meaningful as a win against AZ or Houston? Not buying it. We just won our 1st game after looking like SHIT for 6 quarters of 2023 and already you're looking to rain on the parade. I'm not saying Treat this like a SB win, but it's the confidence breaker and Cherry popper that we needed and all you're looking to do is discredit it |
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Post by vinnie on Sept 18, 2023 14:39:24 GMT -5
Lol, ok, so a win on Thurs against SF is just as impressive and meaningful as a win against AZ or Houston? Not buying it. We just won our 1st game after looking like SHIT for 6 quarters of 2023 and already you're looking to rain on the parade. I'm not saying Treat this like a SB win, but it's the confidence breaker and Cherry popper that we needed and all you're looking to do is discredit it Rain on the parade or keeping things in perspective? Lol, confidence breaker who needed? If this team needed more confidence to go out and beat a QB that has been with an off season tanking team for 3 weeks then maybe they need a psychologist instead of a HC. If that game gave you confidence then good for you, it personally worried me more than I was before the game. Sorry you don’t like my opinion, put me on ignore. And I never discredited it, that’s you putting words in my mouth. What I did say is that I wasn’t impressed, if that’s raining on your parade because you were impressed than that’s your opinion. I also said we played a team that is tanking and has an O/U of 3.5 wins this season. That’s the truth, if that’s raining on your victory parade, sorry if the truth hurts. Sorry, next time I’ll be more positive and tell everyone how good they liked. We can play “make believe” that they only played one half of football. |
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Post by lt56 on Sept 18, 2023 15:32:58 GMT -5
a Cowboys type of Lose to the 49ers on Thursday and nobody will remember this Comeback
need that 49ers Game to be competitive at least
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Post by GameTime on Sept 18, 2023 15:50:49 GMT -5
I'd have some sympathy if Vinnie acknowledged how bad some of the Kafka's plays and play-calling were in the first half. He's clueless as are a few others here. Giants fans haven't see a good offense in many years. Kafka has to stop short passes to Barkley on the backfield as such resulted in two interceptions. hopefully you are counting yourself in that comment. I mean you really do fit the bill there. Go watch the game and see where the Barkley passes were. They were not in the backfield and past the LOS. But I guess you knew that though and just miss spoke. The passes that resulted in picks were basic RB last read throws. Both were hitting AB as he was moving laterally or forward. Versus Dallas Jones, IMO, should have never thrown it. It was going no where and wasnt well placed. But that happens. Versus the Cards it was a well thrown short pass that Bark let slip through his hands. That happens too. You do realize that Jones has several options on each play. But you knew you that right? I mean you arent clueless are you? Yeah the whole QB throwing short passes to the RB is such a bad play call. I mean watch any game you dont see any QBs doing that any more. I realize you are a student of the game and know exactly what Kafka is doing and why he calls the plays he does....lol You need to stop with the inane BS. |
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Post by jmike on Sept 18, 2023 15:54:40 GMT -5
I know I’m catch shit for this but since when do I care. Quite clearly this time at least or this prelude would have been unnecessary. |
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Post by vinnie on Sept 18, 2023 16:04:43 GMT -5
a Cowboys type of Lose to the 49ers on Thursday and nobody will remember this Comeback need that 49ers Game to be competitive at least The spread is at -10.5 now. Anything between 7-10 I’ll be mildly satisfied. Under 7 I’ll be happy. We win I’ll be ecstatic. |
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Post by GameTime on Sept 18, 2023 16:08:59 GMT -5
a Cowboys type of Lose to the 49ers on Thursday and nobody will remember this Comeback need that 49ers Game to be competitive at least The spread is at -10.5 now. Anything between 7-10 I’ll be mildly satisfied. Under 7 I’ll be happy. We win I’ll be ecstatic. you know I was thinking back to our discussions on the Vikings playoff game that you weren't impressed etc. I get why because the Vikings D was bad etc. However the NYGs were supposed to be a 5 or 6 win team that was trying to see if they had a future franchise QB, with new coach and system etc. So isn't impressive that they actually got into the playoffs and won a game for a team that was supposed not even sniff the playoffs. |
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Post by McCherry on Sept 18, 2023 16:14:08 GMT -5
a Cowboys type of Lose to the 49ers on Thursday and nobody will remember this Comeback need that 49ers Game to be competitive at least The spread is at -10.5 now. Anything between 7-10 I’ll be mildly satisfied. Under 7 I’ll be happy. We win I’ll be ecstatic. Damn I wish we got the Niners on a full week's rest. You know someone in the league had a laugh when they drew that one up. As far as you being ecstatic off a win, I'll believe that when I see it! |
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Post by GameTime on Sept 18, 2023 16:19:40 GMT -5
The spread is at -10.5 now. Anything between 7-10 I’ll be mildly satisfied. Under 7 I’ll be happy. We win I’ll be ecstatic. Damn I wish we got the Niners on a full week's rest. You know someone in the league had a laugh when they drew that one up. As far as you being ecstatic off a win, I'll believe that when I see it! short week for them too....  |
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Post by McCherry on Sept 18, 2023 16:25:20 GMT -5
Damn I wish we got the Niners on a full week's rest. You know someone in the league had a laugh when they drew that one up. As far as you being ecstatic off a win, I'll believe that when I see it! short week for them too.... Only they had a short ride along the coast. |
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Post by GameTime on Sept 18, 2023 16:27:39 GMT -5
short week for them too.... Only they had a short ride along the coast. AZ to Santa Clara is a short 2 hour plane ride. No time change either. |
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Post by Kase1 on Sept 18, 2023 16:39:55 GMT -5
We just won our 1st game after looking like SHIT for 6 quarters of 2023 and already you're looking to rain on the parade. I'm not saying Treat this like a SB win, but it's the confidence breaker and Cherry popper that we needed and all you're looking to do is discredit it Rain on the parade or keeping things in perspective? Lol, confidence breaker who needed? If this team needed more confidence to go out and beat a QB that has been with an off season tanking team for 3 weeks then maybe they need a psychologist instead of a HC. If that game gave you confidence then good for you, it personally worried me more than I was before the game. Sorry you don’t like my opinion, put me on ignore. And I never discredited it, that’s you putting words in my mouth. What I did say is that I wasn’t impressed, if that’s raining on your parade because you were impressed than that’s your opinion. I also said we played a team that is tanking and has an O/U of 3.5 wins this season. That’s the truth, if that’s raining on your victory parade, sorry if the truth hurts. Sorry, next time I’ll be more positive and tell everyone how good they liked. We can play “make believe” that they only played one half of football. After the loss to Dallas, who do you THINK needed the confidence? We got spanked by a division rival, opening day, on primetime, we NEEDED this win dude. Part of a HC job IS being a psychologist to some of these guys, its more than just x's and o's. You 'discredited' the victory by saying things like 'the Cardinals are tanking' or 'they're the worst team in the league', We should have never been that far behind, we should have never been behind at all', and 'his team showed some grit against the smallest kid in the playground' Be as pessimistic as you want, I dont care, I just think its a little much. Vinnie, no matter how much we disagree, I'll never put you on 'ignore', I dont do that. |
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Post by miggs on Sept 18, 2023 16:43:23 GMT -5
I'd have some sympathy if Vinnie acknowledged how bad some of the Kafka's plays and play-calling were in the first half. He's clueless as are a few others here. Giants fans haven't see a good offense in many years. Kafka has to stop short passes to Barkley on the backfield as such resulted in two interceptions. hopefully you are counting yourself in that comment. I mean you really do fit the bill there. Go watch the game and see where the Barkley passes were. They were not in the backfield and past the LOS. But I guess you knew that though and just miss spoke. The passes that resulted in picks were basic RB last read throws. Both were hitting AB as he was moving laterally or forward. Versus Dallas Jones, IMO, should have never thrown it. It was going no where and wasnt well placed. But that happens. Versus the Cards it was a well thrown short pass that Bark let slip through his hands. That happens too. You do realize that Jones has several options on each play. But you knew you that right? I mean you arent clueless are you? Yeah the whole QB throwing short passes to the RB is such a bad play call. I mean watch any game you dont see any QBs doing that any more. I realize you are a student of the game and know exactly what Kafka is doing and why he calls the plays he does....lol You need to stop with the inane BS. [ Mot surprised you like the two interceptions. I guess you also like the check down to BDkley when he was standing still in front of the center. Barkley only average 4.5 yards per catch as most plays to him were I'll-designed. Niners back averaged 6.3 yards per catch. Backfield passes should be at the sideline or before the line of scrimmage with back cutting to sideline or over the middle. Watch the Niners play, you may learn something. |
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Post by GameTime on Sept 18, 2023 16:50:04 GMT -5
hopefully you are counting yourself in that comment. I mean you really do fit the bill there. Go watch the game and see where the Barkley passes were. They were not in the backfield and past the LOS. But I guess you knew that though and just miss spoke. The passes that resulted in picks were basic RB last read throws. Both were hitting AB as he was moving laterally or forward. Versus Dallas Jones, IMO, should have never thrown it. It was going no where and wasnt well placed. But that happens. Versus the Cards it was a well thrown short pass that Bark let slip through his hands. That happens too. You do realize that Jones has several options on each play. But you knew you that right? I mean you arent clueless are you? Yeah the whole QB throwing short passes to the RB is such a bad play call. I mean watch any game you dont see any QBs doing that any more. I realize you are a student of the game and know exactly what Kafka is doing and why he calls the plays he does....lol You need to stop with the inane BS. [ Mot surprised you like the two interceptions. Backfield passes should be at the sideline or before the line of scrimmage with back cutting to sideline or over the middle. Watch the Niners play, you may learn something. I "liked" the interceptions? Ok you just continue to show how perceptive you are. I learn all the time by watching games. You should give it a try. Once again Barkley's passes were not in the backfield. Do you even know what the LOS is? A backfield pass should be before the line of scrimmage. Really? I never would have have guessed that. |
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Post by jaymas on Sept 18, 2023 16:53:25 GMT -5
We just won our 1st game after looking like SHIT for 6 quarters of 2023 and already you're looking to rain on the parade. I'm not saying Treat this like a SB win, but it's the confidence breaker and Cherry popper that we needed and all you're looking to do is discredit it Lol, confidence breaker who needed? If this team needed more confidence to go out and beat a QB that has been with an off season tanking team for 3 weeks then maybe they need a psychologist instead of a HC. If that game gave you confidence then good for you, it personally worried me more than I was before the game. Sorry you don’t like my opinion, put me on ignore. And I never discredited it, that’s you putting words in my mouth. What I did say is that I wasn’t impressed, if that’s raining on your parade because you were impressed than that’s your opinion. I also said we played a team that is tanking and has an O/U of 3.5 wins this season. That’s the truth, if that’s raining on your victory parade, sorry if the truth hurts. Sorry, next time I’ll be more positive and tell everyone how good they liked. We can play “make believe” that they only played one half of football. Everyone is the hero in their own story. |
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Post by vinnie on Sept 18, 2023 17:18:00 GMT -5
The spread is at -10.5 now. Anything between 7-10 I’ll be mildly satisfied. Under 7 I’ll be happy. We win I’ll be ecstatic. you know I was thinking back to our discussions on the Vikings playoff game that you weren't impressed etc. I get why because the Vikings D was bad etc. However the NYGs were supposed to be a 5 or 6 win team that was trying to see if they had a future franchise QB, with new coach and system etc. So isn't impressive that they actually got into the playoffs and won a game for a team that was supposed not even sniff the playoffs. Yeah, to a degree. And yes “I’m hard to impress”. We beat one team by more than 10 points and that was the tanking Colts. We beat 2 teams with a winning record. We had the lowest margin of victory other than the Vikings IIRC. Our defense was trash, our O line was trash and we won 4 of our last 11 games. Most of our wins could have gone either way whether it be a failed two point conversion, a relatively easy missed FG by the the other team, etc. Yes, every team gets wins like that but usually they don’t all go in one teams favor for an entire season which it seemed to for us. The Titans game…they handed us that win starting with two fumbles in their own territory on their first two possessions (we couldn’t even get a TD with either of them) an ending with a muffed punt deep in their own territory. Another 4 quarter comeback hand delivered to our QB! (I actually don’t remember if we were behind in the 4th but that’s another example of why it’s a bs stat). I was just never convinced they were a good team, more of a lucky team, but I attributed a lot of the success primarily to the coaching staff so that got me excited for the future. As we’ve argued about all off season, I don’t think this team will win a playoff game this year, good chance they don’t even get there, and some people (eh hem) think that means this is a worse team. I thought we would still be a better team but playing harder teams and wouldn’t get as many lucky breaks. It’s still early but based on the first two games I’m starting to slightly question if this team is actually better. |
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Post by vinnie on Sept 18, 2023 17:19:25 GMT -5
The spread is at -10.5 now. Anything between 7-10 I’ll be mildly satisfied. Under 7 I’ll be happy. We win I’ll be ecstatic. Damn I wish we got the Niners on a full week's rest. You know someone in the league had a laugh when they drew that one up. As far as you being ecstatic off a win, I'll believe that when I see it! Mike, if we ever beat the f’in cowboys (when they’re not resting their starters) you’ll definitely see it. |
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Post by vinnie on Sept 18, 2023 17:22:59 GMT -5
Rain on the parade or keeping things in perspective? Lol, confidence breaker who needed? If this team needed more confidence to go out and beat a QB that has been with an off season tanking team for 3 weeks then maybe they need a psychologist instead of a HC. If that game gave you confidence then good for you, it personally worried me more than I was before the game. Sorry you don’t like my opinion, put me on ignore. And I never discredited it, that’s you putting words in my mouth. What I did say is that I wasn’t impressed, if that’s raining on your parade because you were impressed than that’s your opinion. I also said we played a team that is tanking and has an O/U of 3.5 wins this season. That’s the truth, if that’s raining on your victory parade, sorry if the truth hurts. Sorry, next time I’ll be more positive and tell everyone how good they liked. We can play “make believe” that they only played one half of football. Everyone is the hero in their own story. I’m not a hero, far from it, but that’s how I view life in general. Maybe it’s just an accumulation of my life experiences but I don’t see a lot of positive things on an everyday basis (far from it actually) and while I hope for the best, I rarely see it. I swear, once I retire and move out to the mountains, I’ll probably be an optimistic person if enough damage hasn’t already been done. |
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Post by GameTime on Sept 18, 2023 17:50:04 GMT -5
you know I was thinking back to our discussions on the Vikings playoff game that you weren't impressed etc. I get why because the Vikings D was bad etc. However the NYGs were supposed to be a 5 or 6 win team that was trying to see if they had a future franchise QB, with new coach and system etc. So isn't impressive that they actually got into the playoffs and won a game for a team that was supposed not even sniff the playoffs. Yeah, to a degree. And yes “I’m hard to impress”. We beat one team by more than 10 points and that was the tanking Colts. We beat 2 teams with a winning record. We had the lowest margin of victory other than the Vikings IIRC. Our defense was trash, our O line was trash and we won 4 of our last 11 games. Most of our wins could have gone either way whether it be a failed two point conversion, a relatively easy missed FG by the the other team, etc. Yes, every team gets wins like that but usually they don’t all go in one teams favor for an entire season which it seemed to for us. The Titans game…they handed us that win starting with two fumbles in their own territory on their first two possessions (we couldn’t even get a TD with either of them) an ending with a muffed punt deep in their own territory. Another 4 quarter comeback hand delivered to our QB! (I actually don’t remember if we were behind in the 4th but that’s another example of why it’s a bs stat). I was just never convinced they were a good team, more of a lucky team, but I attributed a lot of the success primarily to the coaching staff so that got me excited for the future. As we’ve argued about all off season, I don’t think this team will win a playoff game this year, good chance they don’t even get there, and some people (eh hem) think that means this is a worse team. I thought we would still be a better team but playing harder teams and wouldn’t get as many lucky breaks. It’s still early but based on the first two games I’m starting to slightly question if this team is actually better. The Giants were/are one of those teams so to me the 9-7-1 record with a playoff was impressive. I never expected them to beat Philthy or teams liek the Chiefs etc. Anyway....I totally over shot how I thought they would come out this season. The Cowturds game was a rude awakening. Your perception may be correct and that means I will have to say you were right. I feel dirty already!! |
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Post by vinnie on Sept 18, 2023 17:59:13 GMT -5
Yeah, to a degree. And yes “I’m hard to impress”. We beat one team by more than 10 points and that was the tanking Colts. We beat 2 teams with a winning record. We had the lowest margin of victory other than the Vikings IIRC. Our defense was trash, our O line was trash and we won 4 of our last 11 games. Most of our wins could have gone either way whether it be a failed two point conversion, a relatively easy missed FG by the the other team, etc. Yes, every team gets wins like that but usually they don’t all go in one teams favor for an entire season which it seemed to for us. The Titans game…they handed us that win starting with two fumbles in their own territory on their first two possessions (we couldn’t even get a TD with either of them) an ending with a muffed punt deep in their own territory. Another 4 quarter comeback hand delivered to our QB! (I actually don’t remember if we were behind in the 4th but that’s another example of why it’s a bs stat). I was just never convinced they were a good team, more of a lucky team, but I attributed a lot of the success primarily to the coaching staff so that got me excited for the future. As we’ve argued about all off season, I don’t think this team will win a playoff game this year, good chance they don’t even get there, and some people (eh hem) think that means this is a worse team. I thought we would still be a better team but playing harder teams and wouldn’t get as many lucky breaks. It’s still early but based on the first two games I’m starting to slightly question if this team is actually better. The Giants were/are one of those teams so to me the 9-7-1 record with a playoff was impressive. I never expected them to beat Philthy or teams liek the Chiefs etc. Anyway....I totally over shot how I thought they would come out this season. The Cowturds game was a rude awakening. Your perception may be correct and that means I will have to say you were right. I feel dirty already!! Maybe not, it’s still early in the season and I’ve always said I don’t put much stock into the first ~3 games UNLESS it’s a blowout and look what happened. That cows game was worse than any of us expected and although we beat AZ, it was a blowout in the first half. I’m not sold either way yet but it hasn’t looked good. I still have a shred of hope they can turn it around but they need to start with keeping it close with SF then beat teams like the Hawks, Washington, Jets, Vegas, NE, GB and NO I see all those as winnable but they need to get their shit together quick. |
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Post by jmike on Sept 18, 2023 18:15:31 GMT -5
Yeah, to a degree. And yes “I’m hard to impress”. We beat one team by more than 10 points and that was the tanking Colts. We beat 2 teams with a winning record. We had the lowest margin of victory other than the Vikings IIRC. Our defense was trash, our O line was trash and we won 4 of our last 11 games. Most of our wins could have gone either way whether it be a failed two point conversion, a relatively easy missed FG by the the other team, etc. Yes, every team gets wins like that but usually they don’t all go in one teams favor for an entire season which it seemed to for us. The Titans game…they handed us that win starting with two fumbles in their own territory on their first two possessions (we couldn’t even get a TD with either of them) an ending with a muffed punt deep in their own territory. Another 4 quarter comeback hand delivered to our QB! (I actually don’t remember if we were behind in the 4th but that’s another example of why it’s a bs stat). I was just never convinced they were a good team, more of a lucky team, but I attributed a lot of the success primarily to the coaching staff so that got me excited for the future. As we’ve argued about all off season, I don’t think this team will win a playoff game this year, good chance they don’t even get there, and some people (eh hem) think that means this is a worse team. I thought we would still be a better team but playing harder teams and wouldn’t get as many lucky breaks. It’s still early but based on the first two games I’m starting to slightly question if this team is actually better. The Giants were/are one of those teams so to me the 9-7-1 record with a playoff was impressive. I never expected them to beat Philthy or teams liek the Chiefs etc. Anyway....I totally over shot how I thought they would come out this season. The Cowturds game was a rude awakening. Your perception may be correct and that means I will have to say you were right. I feel dirty already!! We're still on pace for 16-1, without heading into the play-offs worried about holding onto an undefeated record. I'd say we are ahead of the game here. Time to add space for a fresh new Lombardi in the trophy case. |
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Post by GameTime on Sept 18, 2023 18:16:40 GMT -5
The Giants were/are one of those teams so to me the 9-7-1 record with a playoff was impressive. I never expected them to beat Philthy or teams liek the Chiefs etc. Anyway....I totally over shot how I thought they would come out this season. The Cowturds game was a rude awakening. Your perception may be correct and that means I will have to say you were right. I feel dirty already!! We're still on pace for 16-1, without heading into the play-offs worried about holding onto an undefeated record. I'd say we are ahead of the game here. Time to add space for a fresh new Lombardi in the trophy case. mushrooms? |
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Post by jmike on Sept 18, 2023 18:18:31 GMT -5
We're still on pace for 16-1, without heading into the play-offs worried about holding onto an undefeated record. I'd say we are ahead of the game here. Time to add space for a fresh new Lombardi in the trophy case. mushrooms? No, you'll find those in the Jets trophy case. |
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Post by GameTime on Sept 18, 2023 18:23:23 GMT -5
No, you'll find those in the Jets trophy case. now that Rodgers is there for sure he will need them during recovery |
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Post by Danke Schoen on Sept 18, 2023 18:24:54 GMT -5
[ Mot surprised you like the two interceptions. Backfield passes should be at the sideline or before the line of scrimmage with back cutting to sideline or over the middle. Watch the Niners play, you may learn something. I "liked" the interceptions? Ok you just continue to show how perceptive you are. I learn all the time by watching games. You should give it a try. Once again Barkley's passes were not in the backfield. Do you even know what the LOS is? A backfield pass should be before the line of scrimmage. Really? I never would have have guessed that. I get the impression that Miggs picks boogers and wipes them on his keyboard. |
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Post by jmike on Sept 18, 2023 18:26:02 GMT -5
I "liked" the interceptions? Ok you just continue to show how perceptive you are. I learn all the time by watching games. You should give it a try. Once again Barkley's passes were not in the backfield. Do you even know what the LOS is? A backfield pass should be before the line of scrimmage. Really? I never would have have guessed that. I get the impression that Miggs picks boogers and wipes them on his keyboard. Sounds like he'll need a virus scan now. |
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Post by Danke Schoen on Sept 18, 2023 18:27:45 GMT -5
I get the impression that Miggs picks boogers and wipes them on his keyboard. Sounds like he'll need a virus scan now. Am I just so naive or you so deviant… is hentai well known? I seriously spit my drink out when the google results popped up. |
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Post by jmike on Sept 18, 2023 18:38:43 GMT -5
Sounds like he'll need a virus scan now. Am I just so naive or you so deviant… is hentai well known? I seriously spit my drink out when the google results popped up. LMAO
You are legit cracking me up here.
Yes, hentai is rather well known. Yes you are naive. Depends on what you mean by deviant. If you mean literally outside the norm...yes very much so. I'm not a consumer of hentai though if that is what you mean. |
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