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Post by bluebuddha on Oct 15, 2023 22:55:24 GMT -5
The refs threw flags for everything all game but were too scared to do it on the last play I watched it again and honestly didn't see PI. You should be a ref with those ovservation skills.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 15, 2023 22:56:02 GMT -5
Why not? It would have worked if Waller wasn't held. Nothing wrong with the call. Loss is chalked up to poor situational management by coaches and QB. A lot of little things dabble messed up with TOs in the first half the last drive Giants had a ton of time and wasted like 50 of their 85 seconds taking there time. Taylor when he ran the ball on first down got bailed out by PI call. Don't think it would be any better with Jones in there he is seeing shadows.
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Post by McCherry on Oct 15, 2023 22:56:22 GMT -5
That's true but damn, you could live with it if he doesn't make it. Waller's been so ineffective in the red zone. I just have no faith in that play. I honestly liked the call. Waller makes that play if he could get his left hand up. I thought it was thrown too high anyway.
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Post by grayphoenix on Oct 15, 2023 22:56:43 GMT -5
Both that final call and the roughing-the-passer calls were egregiously bad. Good breakdown by Collinsworth tbh. I agree and I don't like Collinsworth but he broke it down without bias . Well maybe from a WR perspective. Yeah that could be a bit of where he's coming from lol
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 15, 2023 22:56:59 GMT -5
I watched it again and honestly didn't see PI. It was a PI, refs aren’t going to call back to back PI for the optics of them potentially impacting who won and lost the game. Good throw that a TD hands were free
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Post by 3days on Oct 15, 2023 22:58:45 GMT -5
We lost this game at the end of the first half
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 15, 2023 22:58:51 GMT -5
terrible pass on that and a shit play call if you can't score a TD you don't deserve to win The pass was just fine. Throwing to a 6’6” TE against a guy 6” smaller. Needed to be on his hand it was over his extended hand s make that DB have to defend it.
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Post by te88 on Oct 15, 2023 22:59:02 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with the call. Loss is chalked up to poor situational management by coaches and QB. A lot of little things dabble messed up with TOs in the first half the last drive Giants had a ton of time and wasted like 50 of their 85 seconds taking there time. Taylor when he ran the ball on first down got bailed out by PI call. Don't think it would be any better with Jones in there he is seeing shadows. I liked everything about Taylor more than Anything I’ve seen from Jones in 2023. If they clean up the stupidity and high school B league situational management, he is serviceable and seems to have a better handle and rapport with the receivers and OL.
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Post by Dogecoin on Oct 15, 2023 22:59:17 GMT -5
I watched it again and honestly didn't see PI. It was a PI, refs aren’t going to call back to back PI for the optics of them potentially impacting who won and lost the game. I've seen them call back to back PI many times. Waller has hand on the DB too. DB had some jersey not much and not very long ....in slow motion it seems longer of course. Unpopular opinion but that would have been very ticky tack. It's the play call I didn't like.
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Post by te88 on Oct 15, 2023 23:00:07 GMT -5
We lost this game at the end of the first half Correct. It was a deserved loss. You cannot make that mistake or be so poor in coaching communication that it could even occur.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Oct 15, 2023 23:00:52 GMT -5
I honestly liked the call. Waller makes that play if he could get his left hand up. I thought it was thrown too high. Just last week or the week before you claimed Waller needed to make the catch because the ball hit him in the hands. The ball hit him in the hands on this last throw and now it's a poorly thrown ball? Okay.
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Post by nygfanstrick on Oct 15, 2023 23:00:55 GMT -5
Daboll throwing Taylor under the bus a bit there lol
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Post by Dogecoin on Oct 15, 2023 23:02:25 GMT -5
Daboll throwing Taylor under the bus a bit there lol he's just repeating what everyone already knew
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 15, 2023 23:03:57 GMT -5
A lot of little things dabble messed up with TOs in the first half the last drive Giants had a ton of time and wasted like 50 of their 85 seconds taking there time. Taylor when he ran the ball on first down got bailed out by PI call. Don't think it would be any better with Jones in there he is seeing shadows. I liked everything about Taylor more than Anything I’ve seen from Jones in 2023. If they clean up the stupidity and high school B league situational management, he is serviceable and seems to have a better handle and rapport with the receivers and OL. I don't care if they start him but someone needs to score here wether it is him or Jones think he earned a shot to stay there tho, Jones has a contract he needs to know he isn't on scholarship. When draft time comes around if they don't win enough this cements they need to draft QB.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 15, 2023 23:06:14 GMT -5
Even this drive no urgency now they are down to 32 second 0 TOs and 35 yards out I don’t know what the coaches do all week honestly. All they should be doing is situational football. 2 minute offence 5 minute offence Time outs No time outs Should be drilling these scenarios continuously so everyone knows how to handle. Instead they botched two situations that could have won them the game (end of half and the previous drive) 100% Agree but I also get thee are a lot of guys out there that don't get a lot of snaps with the starters.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Oct 15, 2023 23:06:17 GMT -5
I wish I didn't watch the game and just saw the box score tomorrow morning and was happy we fought hard and were competitive. How do you come back from this... again. Daggers in the heart. A game we won last year. Should have won it. Oh well. Not like they were making the playoffs anyway. The end of the first half gaff is a kick to the nuts.
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Post by McCherry on Oct 15, 2023 23:07:01 GMT -5
I thought it was thrown too high. Just last week or the week before you claimed Waller needed to make the catch because the ball hit him in the hands. The ball hit him in the hands on this last throw and now it's a poorly thrown ball? Okay. Last Sunday he had both hands on a well-thrown ball. The play you saw just he barely got a hand on it. Those two plays aren't even close. But it just proves my point about Waller being a low percentage catch receiver.
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Post by te88 on Oct 15, 2023 23:07:55 GMT -5
Daboll throwing Taylor under the bus a bit there lol he's just repeating what everyone already knew We all know the player made an error. But it’s a coaching failure that the player could even conceive of that idea. This situation should have been drilled mercilessly every day…every week since training camp. Everyone loses their heads when the live bullets start flying and you will fall to the level of your training. This game exposed several coaching issues that must be fixed.
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Post by idkaname on Oct 15, 2023 23:08:07 GMT -5
Daboll throwing Taylor under the bus a bit there lol so now 2 QBs are at fault? hmmm....this dude is a joke. It's on Daboll 100%
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Post by Roosevelt on Oct 15, 2023 23:08:13 GMT -5
Daboll throwing Taylor under the bus a bit there lol What did you want him to say given the circumstances and what everyone saw?
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Post by Modog on Oct 15, 2023 23:08:54 GMT -5
There's no reasoning with Daniel Jones fanboys.
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Post by idkaname on Oct 15, 2023 23:10:16 GMT -5
Daboll throwing Taylor under the bus a bit there lol What did you want him to say given the circumstances and what everyone saw? would've preferred him to man the f up and admit he's at fault, or at least take the blame. What coach continues to play a QB that blatantly dis-obeys him? that's 2 now, according to him. and both players came right back..hes at fault all day
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 15, 2023 23:11:16 GMT -5
I thought it was thrown too high. Just last week or the week before you claimed Waller needed to make the catch because the ball hit him in the hands. The ball hit him in the hands on this last throw and now it's a poorly thrown ball? Okay. I thought it was high and I thought it was way to much contact. Think Jones should stay down a few games see if tyrod can get a couple wins the schedule is gonna lighten up some If he does leave him out there. Put Jones on notice if they don't start winning Schoen should be looking for his next QB and Daboll and Kafka should have plenty of say.
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Post by moecoastie on Oct 15, 2023 23:12:08 GMT -5
IMO, Waller had no chance to catch that ball due to PI. Defender grabbing Waller's jersey near his left shoulder which also prevented his arm extending over his head.
I fully expected to see Barkley leaping over the line on that play.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 15, 2023 23:14:28 GMT -5
he's just repeating what everyone already knew We all know the player made an error. But it’s a coaching failure that the player could even conceive of that idea. This situation should have been drilled mercilessly every day…every week since training camp. Everyone loses their heads when the live bullets start flying and you will fall to the level of your training. This game exposed several coaching issues that must be fixed. At the end of the day he was alerted not to run the ball if that was relayed to him through the head set there is no excuse. Agree there is some disconnect here right now.
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Post by te88 on Oct 15, 2023 23:15:30 GMT -5
Daboll throwing Taylor under the bus a bit there lol What did you want him to say given the circumstances and what everyone saw? Here is a statement that is also true which doesn’t throw the player totally under the bus “It is on me as the HC to ensure that our players know exactly what to do - and NOT to do in that situation. It’s something we will have to look at in our communication to make sure there’s no ambiguity in how we handle that”
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Post by Danke Schoen on Oct 15, 2023 23:15:57 GMT -5
Daboll throwing Taylor under the bus a bit there lol How would Raanan surmise this? Did Daboll tell him?
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Post by Danke Schoen on Oct 15, 2023 23:16:46 GMT -5
Just last week or the week before you claimed Waller needed to make the catch because the ball hit him in the hands. The ball hit him in the hands on this last throw and now it's a poorly thrown ball? Okay. Last Sunday he had both hands on a well-thrown ball. The play you saw just he barely got a hand on it. Those two plays aren't even close. But it just proves my point about Waller being a low percentage catch receiver. Last week the defender made a great play on the ball. This week he would have had both hands on the ball if he could have gotten his left one up.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 15, 2023 23:17:05 GMT -5
IMO, Waller had no chance to catch that ball due to PI. Defender grabbing Waller's jersey near his left shoulder which also prevented his arm extending over his head. I fully expected to see Barkley leaping over the line on that play. Barkley is probably praying that the Giants don'y try to resign or tag him on the 3rd and an inch he should of had the ball TT took to the strong side of the defense huge mistake.
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Post by te88 on Oct 15, 2023 23:17:55 GMT -5
We all know the player made an error. But it’s a coaching failure that the player could even conceive of that idea. This situation should have been drilled mercilessly every day…every week since training camp. Everyone loses their heads when the live bullets start flying and you will fall to the level of your training. This game exposed several coaching issues that must be fixed. At the end of the day he was alerted not to run the ball if that was relayed to him through the head set there is no excuse. Agree there is some disconnect here right now. I have led people in high pressure situations where violence/injury can occur and you can look them dead in the eyes and tell them what to do and they will F it up if they haven’t been drilled significantly beforehand.
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