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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 23, 2023 8:43:16 GMT -5
He should come over to the dark side I wish. Rivera is punching the clock. And every time he does it goes.......ka-ching! He just signed just a pipe dream. But there is Chase Sweat and Hand unsigned.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 23, 2023 8:49:51 GMT -5
For anyone saying the OL is not playing better Marc Glowinsky since coming back into the line up has a 90.7 pass block win rate good for #9 out of 67 Guards run blocking is his strength he and Pugh will probably stay in the lineup as the Guards..
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Post by Danke Schoen on Oct 23, 2023 9:06:02 GMT -5
The Danny fanboys should all go into hiding. For the record, Tyrod is not the answer and he's not even a good QB. He's a borderline starter to a good backup. However he has shown us DJ is a fraud. Danny crimes has stolen enough money and should retire. DJ could have been better if he was given a chance. The guy is shell shocked and it's time to move on. This is a serious thing, look into his eyes and he actually looks scared out there. DJ has been David Carred.
Looking ahead, it would be better that the Giants loose every game 0 to 3, defense improves and draft a top QB. DJ can backup in 2024 and cur loose in 2025. The new Jones narrative would be hilarious if it wasn't so exhausting.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Oct 23, 2023 9:07:55 GMT -5
For anyone saying the OL is not playing better Marc Glowinsky since coming back into the line up has a 90.7 pass block win rate good for #9 out of 67 Guards run blocking is his strength he and Pugh will probably stay in the lineup as the Guards.. So one stat from one player = better OL play? I've always said it's symboiotic. The QB play = better = better OL play = better QB play
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 23, 2023 9:15:11 GMT -5
For anyone saying the OL is not playing better Marc Glowinsky since coming back into the line up has a 90.7 pass block win rate good for #9 out of 67 Guards run blocking is his strength he and Pugh will probably stay in the lineup as the Guards.. So one stat from one player = better OL play? I've always said it's symboiotic. The QB play = better = better OL play = better QB play It's not 1 player Bredeson has settled in at center Neal was improving and Pugh has been ok even out of position but what he does is lead by having these guy drill what their responsibilities are. It is that simple good OL play = better QB play =better efficiency the run game = less time on the field for the defense and with good OL play if they converted on the field Goal and SQB doesn't fumble Washington becomes a pass first pass only offense trying to catchup. Good OL play affects the whole team more than anything else at this point we still don'y have good OL play it's just not as bad.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Oct 23, 2023 9:16:55 GMT -5
So one stat from one player = better OL play? I've always said it's symboiotic. The QB play = better = better OL play = better QB play It's not 1 player Bredeson has settled in at center Neal was improving and Pugh has been ok even out of position but what he does is lead by having these guy drill what their responsibilities are. It is that simple good OL play = better QB play =better efficiency the run game = less time on the field for the defense and with good OL play if they converted on the field Goal and SQB doesn't fumble Washington becomes a pass first pass only offense trying to catchup. Good OL play affects the whole team more than anything else at this point we still don'y have good OL play it's just not as bad. What are their PFF grades, if that's the measurement being used?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 23, 2023 9:28:01 GMT -5
It's not 1 player Bredeson has settled in at center Neal was improving and Pugh has been ok even out of position but what he does is lead by having these guy drill what their responsibilities are. It is that simple good OL play = better QB play =better efficiency the run game = less time on the field for the defense and with good OL play if they converted on the field Goal and SQB doesn't fumble Washington becomes a pass first pass only offense trying to catchup. Good OL play affects the whole team more than anything else at this point we still don'y have good OL play it's just not as bad. What are their PFF grades, if that's the measurement being used? Thats not the measurement I'm using time in the pocket and running the ball they still are not good they are below average but they are not giving up 4 to 7 quick pressures a game anymore, Young got a couple yesterday but one was unblocked. The Glowinskie stat came from Jordan Ranaan not sure if t was PFF. They are better than they were thats all I'm saying and there are guys playing at a high level. I think they are more assignment sound and few guys are playing better.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Oct 23, 2023 9:32:35 GMT -5
What are their PFF grades, if that's the measurement being used? Thats not the measurement I'm using time in the pocket and running the ball they still are not good they are below average but they are not giving up 4 to 7 quick pressures a game anymore, Young got a couple yesterday but one was unblocked. The Glowinskie stat came from Jordan Ranaan not sure if t was PFF. They are better than they were thats all I'm saying and there are guys playing at a high level. I think they are more assignment sound and few guys are playing better. The 90.7 pass blocking measurement is the PFF grade.
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Post by inthezone on Oct 23, 2023 10:10:40 GMT -5
For anyone saying the OL is not playing better Marc Glowinsky since coming back into the line up has a 90.7 pass block win rate good for #9 out of 67 Guards run blocking is his strength he and Pugh will probably stay in the lineup as the Guards.. That sucks for Bredeson who's doing everything they ask him only to be sent to the bench afterwards. I don't think Glow will stay once the tackles are healthy unless Pugh takes over as the RT.
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Post by McCherry on Oct 23, 2023 10:24:15 GMT -5
For anyone saying the OL is not playing better Marc Glowinsky since coming back into the line up has a 90.7 pass block win rate good for #9 out of 67 Guards run blocking is his strength he and Pugh will probably stay in the lineup as the Guards.. I would guess that once Thomas comes back, Bredeson will be the starting LG and Pugh moves to the bench. Bredeson was playing well there and the Giants know what they have there. Pugh was brought in as depth. That's my guess, as opposed to having Pugh develop again at a new position.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 23, 2023 12:37:18 GMT -5
For anyone saying the OL is not playing better Marc Glowinsky since coming back into the line up has a 90.7 pass block win rate good for #9 out of 67 Guards run blocking is his strength he and Pugh will probably stay in the lineup as the Guards.. I would guess that once Thomas comes back, Bredeson will be the starting LG and Pugh moves to the bench. Bredeson was playing well there and the Giants know what they have there. Pugh was brought in as depth. That's my guess, as opposed to having Pugh develop again at a new position. Pugh has been a guard for the better part of 10 years if they need him there he will be fine. At the same time he is showing them that even at lunch you work on line calls and other nuances of OL play.
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Post by McCherry on Oct 23, 2023 12:40:13 GMT -5
I would guess that once Thomas comes back, Bredeson will be the starting LG and Pugh moves to the bench. Bredeson was playing well there and the Giants know what they have there. Pugh was brought in as depth. That's my guess, as opposed to having Pugh develop again at a new position. Pugh has been a guard for the better part of 10 years if they need him there he will be fine. At the same time he is showing them that even at lunch you work on line calls and other nuances of OL play. I get that, I'd just be surprised if he gets the call over Bredeson, who has proven to be reliable. I think we're fine either way, It's a good problem to have.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 23, 2023 12:41:24 GMT -5
For anyone saying the OL is not playing better Marc Glowinsky since coming back into the line up has a 90.7 pass block win rate good for #9 out of 67 Guards run blocking is his strength he and Pugh will probably stay in the lineup as the Guards.. That sucks for Bredeson who's doing everything they ask him only to be sent to the bench afterwards. I don't think Glow will stay once the tackles are healthy unless Pugh takes over as the RT. True and Bred is a young player this is year 4 he might and probably should be in their long term plans he can play all 3 interior spots now. Maybe Pugh Goes to the Bench to RT unless they put Neal Back there or Philips and Neal to RG.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 23, 2023 12:42:09 GMT -5
Pugh has been a guard for the better part of 10 years if they need him there he will be fine. At the same time he is showing them that even at lunch you work on line calls and other nuances of OL play. I get that, I'd just be surprised if he gets the call over Bredeson, who has proven to be reliable. I think we're fine either way, It's a good problem to have. Agree Bred is a 3 tool player now he has future value not just for this year.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 23, 2023 12:49:46 GMT -5
Thats not the measurement I'm using time in the pocket and running the ball they still are not good they are below average but they are not giving up 4 to 7 quick pressures a game anymore, Young got a couple yesterday but one was unblocked. The Glowinskie stat came from Jordan Ranaan not sure if t was PFF. They are better than they were thats all I'm saying and there are guys playing at a high level. I think they are more assignment sound and few guys are playing better. The 90.7 pass blocking measurement is the PFF grade. Thats good yes look if thats what PFF says thats fine that means it is showing up on tape because the pressure has not been as fast and as much with multiple losses. I don't do PFF often unless I run into something like this from a writer.
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Post by McCherry on Oct 23, 2023 12:51:00 GMT -5
i said yesterday they needed to do this tomorrow.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Oct 23, 2023 12:55:06 GMT -5
i said yesterday they needed to do this tomorrow. Geez… I read it as ST Ace Gunner (as in the position) and first thought, “why TF are we signing a gunner, we need a returner.”
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Post by PennState1 on Oct 23, 2023 13:17:54 GMT -5
Nope this win is nice but it doesn't have me excited now if they could have pulled the buffalo game out I might of felt differently. I dunno Dog, Buffalo is kind of getting exposed, they lost to the 1-5 Pats today and almost lost to us. Not sure what to think of them, if they don’t get their shit together they’ll be an early exit in the playoffs if they even make it. Their defense is decimated injury-wise
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Post by repeatchamps on Oct 23, 2023 13:18:28 GMT -5
i said yesterday they needed to do this tomorrow. Geez… I read it as ST Ace Gunner (as in the position) and first thought, “why TF are we signing a gunner, we need a returner.” Same. I am hearing though that he has been muffing a lot lately with the Steelers. Not sure he is an upgrade but with Gray going out with a calf injury they may have had no choice.
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Post by PennState1 on Oct 23, 2023 13:19:49 GMT -5
It's not 1 player Bredeson has settled in at center Neal was improving and Pugh has been ok even out of position but what he does is lead by having these guy drill what their responsibilities are. It is that simple good OL play = better QB play =better efficiency the run game = less time on the field for the defense and with good OL play if they converted on the field Goal and SQB doesn't fumble Washington becomes a pass first pass only offense trying to catchup. Good OL play affects the whole team more than anything else at this point we still don'y have good OL play it's just not as bad. What are their PFF grades, if that's the measurement being used? Just watch closely. Also literally measure the time to read and throw
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Post by jb456 on Oct 23, 2023 13:21:05 GMT -5
DJ could have been better if he was given a chance. The guy is shell shocked and it's time to move on. This is a serious thing, look into his eyes and he actually looks scared out there. DJ has been David Carred.
Looking ahead, it would be better that the Giants loose every game 0 to 3, defense improves and draft a top QB. DJ can backup in 2024 and cur loose in 2025. The new Jones narrative would be hilarious if it wasn't so exhausting. Having at least a rudimentary understanding of football is now considered a narrative? Why don't you pick you 10 favorite QB's and do a comparison of their Oline's to the Giants? Now, extend that comparison over 5 years and admit that you are wrong. Also, do you actually believe that getting sacked over 50x a year has no impact on a QB or his development? crazy.... Did you actually miss the part where I said it's time to move on from Jones?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2023 13:21:10 GMT -5
The Punt Returner they signed has muffed just as many punts as Gray and also toe tapped a kickoff that was going out of bounds. oof.
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Post by repeatchamps on Oct 23, 2023 13:22:15 GMT -5
The Punt Returner they signed has muffed just as many punts as Gray and also toe tapped a kickoff that was going out of bounds. oof. Yup. Not thrilled with this signing but may have had no choice because of Gray's injury.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2023 13:27:16 GMT -5
The Punt Returner they signed has muffed just as many punts as Gray and also toe tapped a kickoff that was going out of bounds. oof. Yup. Not thrilled with this signing but may have had no choice because of Gray's injury. Would rather see us put Parris Campbell back there if he's no longer part of the offensive game plan. He doesn't look like he's part of the future and he's making $5M this year, might as well try.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Oct 23, 2023 13:42:44 GMT -5
What are their PFF grades, if that's the measurement being used? Just watch closely. Also literally measure the time to read and throw Just curious... do you watch every play with a stop watch?
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Post by Danke Schoen on Oct 23, 2023 13:48:10 GMT -5
The new Jones narrative would be hilarious if it wasn't so exhausting. Having at least a rudimentary understanding of football is now considered a narrative? Why don't you pick you 10 favorite QB's and do a comparison of their Oline's to the Giants? Now, extend that comparison over 5 years and admit that you are wrong. Also, do you actually believe that getting sacked over 50x a year has no impact on a QB or his development? crazy.... Did you actually miss the part where I said it's time to move on from Jones? You assigning subjective narratives that are non-measureable attributes is not "having at least a rudimentary understanding of football." It's merely a mechanism you use to assuage your emotional needs. The good news is you're not alone. The "shell shocked," "he's been Carr'd" narratives have been percolating well amongst the contingency.
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Post by vinnie on Oct 23, 2023 14:15:30 GMT -5
I dunno Dog, Buffalo is kind of getting exposed, they lost to the 1-5 Pats today and almost lost to us. Not sure what to think of them, if they don’t get their shit together they’ll be an early exit in the playoffs if they even make it. Their defense is decimated injury-wise Ah…that explains why we scored 9 entire points against them
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Post by PennState1 on Oct 23, 2023 14:21:14 GMT -5
Their defense is decimated injury-wise Ah…that explains why we scored 9 entire points against them . Perhaps it’s because we are still inept on offense? Buffalo D IS decimated by injury. It’s a fact. When healthy they crush the Patriots offense.
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Post by vinnie on Oct 23, 2023 14:33:36 GMT -5
Having at least a rudimentary understanding of football is now considered a narrative? Why don't you pick you 10 favorite QB's and do a comparison of their Oline's to the Giants? Now, extend that comparison over 5 years and admit that you are wrong. Also, do you actually believe that getting sacked over 50x a year has no impact on a QB or his development? crazy.... Did you actually miss the part where I said it's time to move on from Jones? You assigning subjective narratives that are non-measureable attributes is not "having at least a rudimentary understanding of football." It's merely a mechanism you use to assuage your emotional needs. The good news is you're not alone. The "shell shocked," "he's been Carr'd" narratives have been percolating well amongst the contingency. That “shell shocked” is the biggest bullshit excuse I’ve heard BUT at least he said “it’s time to move on” because if it is true then he’s not as mentally tough as we thought, he’s damaged goods and can no longer do his job effectively. That’s something most of his apologists don’t admit or address. A lot of his fans have also repeatedly said DJ was/is better than Carr and that Carr isn’t that good, but now they say he’s been “Carr’d”. So if that’s the case, and he’s been “Carr’d” then that should mean he is now Carr 2.0 and we should move on but oddly his fans won’t answer that either, they just use it as an excuse, say get a better O line and “just wait”. If he has been “Carr’d” and is really “shell shocked” then a better O line will do little to help him because he’s been permanently traumatized. He will always hear footsteps in his head and god forbid he gets sacked more than twice in a game he may start having flashbacks and suddenly becomes a liability.
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Post by vinnie on Oct 23, 2023 14:38:57 GMT -5
Ah…that explains why we scored 9 entire points against them . Perhaps it’s because we are still inept on offense? Buffalo D IS decimated by injury. It’s a fact. When healthy they crush the Patriots offense. I get it, hence why I said that explains why we scored a whopping 9 points. Pretty sure their injured defense is still twice as good as that awesome 2nd worst defense in the league DJ gets so much credit for beating all by himself last year.
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