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Post by Modog on Jan 2, 2024 7:59:09 GMT -5
It's amazing what good QB play can do for a receiver/TE. Case in point, EE has 104 rec for the year, he's just the 8th TE in NFL history to go over that 100 rec mark.
But the DJ panty sniffers will say he sucked here, and DJ never had weapons.LOL
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Post by inthezone on Jan 2, 2024 8:06:18 GMT -5
Congrats go out to Engram for finally becoming a solid player in this league after all these years!
Too bad it took him so many years to become good and couldn't' figure it out when he was with the Giants since we all know Jones could've used a good TE and more weapons these past few years.
When Slayton is the best you have to throw to you have to admit it pretty amazing that Jones was able to get the team in the end zone the very few times he did.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 2, 2024 8:07:53 GMT -5
Engram helped created plenty of his own problems here, it was far from "all" on the QB. That being said, I'm happy for him that he's finally put it together. Always seemed like a good team first dude.
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Post by Modog on Jan 2, 2024 8:14:59 GMT -5
I know a lot of fans here like to harp on drops. I don't have the time to prove this by looking at the numbers, but I believe our receivers dont drop anymore passes then the other teams... It's just it's so rare for DJ or whoever our QB is to throw the ball accurately to where our receiver can actually catch the ball it sticks out to us when they then drop the ball
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Post by bluebuddha on Jan 2, 2024 8:28:17 GMT -5
It's amazing what good QB play can do for a receiver/TE. Case in point, EE has 104 rec for the year, he's just the 8th TE in NFL history to go over that 100 rec mark. But the DJ panty sniffers will say he sucked here, and DJ never had weapons.LOL Seems like DJ was the only QB he couldn't build any chemistry with. He looked good with Eli and now again with Lawrence. |
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Post by Roswell on Jan 2, 2024 8:30:15 GMT -5
I know a lot of fans here like to harp on drops. I don't have the time to prove this by looking at the numbers, but I believe our receivers dont drop anymore passes then the other teams... It's just it's so rare for DJ or whoever our QB is to throw the ball accurately to where our receiver can actually catch the ball it sticks out to us when they then drop the ball As much as you predictably want to make everything about Jones, surely even you can remember how many times Engram dropped balls in key situations and a lot of those even turned into interceptions. I’m happy for Engram, who always had the talent but was snakebite in a Giants uniform. Sometimes a simple thing like a change in scenery can work wonders. We saw that last year with Hodgins who, when given a chance, shined, even playing with your nemesis, Daniel Jones. |
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Post by mendy on Jan 2, 2024 8:34:30 GMT -5
I know a lot of fans here like to harp on drops. I don't have the time to prove this by looking at the numbers, but I believe our receivers dont drop anymore passes then the other teams... It's just it's so rare for DJ or whoever our QB is to throw the ball accurately to where our receiver can actually catch the ball it sticks out to us when they then drop the ball As much as you predictably want to make everything about Jones, surely even you can remember how many times Engram dropped balls in key situations and a lot of those even turned into interceptions. I’m happy for Engram, who always had the talent but was snakebite in a Giants uniform. Sometimes a simple thing like a change in scenery can work wonders. We saw that last year with Hodgins who, when given a chance, shined, even playing with your nemesis, Daniel Jones. (get it, Duke blue devil's) |
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Post by Modog on Jan 2, 2024 8:38:52 GMT -5
I know a lot of fans here like to harp on drops. I don't have the time to prove this by looking at the numbers, but I believe our receivers dont drop anymore passes then the other teams... It's just it's so rare for DJ or whoever our QB is to throw the ball accurately to where our receiver can actually catch the ball it sticks out to us when they then drop the ball As much as you predictably want to make everything about Jones, surely even you can remember how many times Engram dropped balls in key situations and a lot of those even turned into interceptions. I’m happy for Engram, who always had the talent but was snakebite in a Giants uniform. Sometimes a simple thing like a change in scenery can work wonders. We saw that last year with Hodgins who, when given a chance, shined, even playing with your nemesis, Daniel Jones. I will continue to call out Jones as long as his defenders continue to defend him. Also every team suffers from dropped passes. Like i said, it just seems like our recievers drop more passes because they get less chances at catchable passes, so the drops stick out more to the DJ pantysniffers |
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Post by inthezone on Jan 2, 2024 8:44:41 GMT -5
As much as you predictably want to make everything about Jones, surely even you can remember how many times Engram dropped balls in key situations and a lot of those even turned into interceptions. I’m happy for Engram, who always had the talent but was snakebite in a Giants uniform. Sometimes a simple thing like a change in scenery can work wonders. We saw that last year with Hodgins who, when given a chance, shined, even playing with your nemesis, Daniel Jones. Also every team suffers from dropped passes. Like i said, it just seems like our recievers drop more passes because they get less chances at catchable passes, so the drops stick out more to the DJ pantysniffers How are you calling out the 1 or 2 Jones fans that are left out here by starting a thread bashing him? Jones and his contract have you so obsessed that it's now a joke out here. Well done if that's your goal! |
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Post by Jomo on Jan 2, 2024 8:47:26 GMT -5
I know a lot of fans here like to harp on drops. I don't have the time to prove this by looking at the numbers, but I believe our receivers dont drop anymore passes then the other teams... It's just it's so rare for DJ or whoever our QB is to throw the ball accurately to where our receiver can actually catch the ball it sticks out to us when they then drop the ball As much as you predictably want to make everything about Jones, surely even you can remember how many times Engram dropped balls in key situations and a lot of those even turned into interceptions. I’m happy for Engram, who always had the talent but was snakebite in a Giants uniform. Sometimes a simple thing like a change in scenery can work wonders. We saw that last year with Hodgins who, when given a chance, shined, even playing with your nemesis, Daniel Jones. Correct on all points. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 2, 2024 8:50:55 GMT -5
That’s our Giants 🙄
Draft too many who can’t contribute, lose players who perform better elsewhere and replace them with players/contracts which are less productive.
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Post by nick030567 on Jan 2, 2024 8:59:49 GMT -5
Do the Jaguars have him running curl routes and flat routes the entire game like Mac, Shurmur and Jason Garrett?
Garrett had a dynamic use of his players. They would typically all run 8 yards and stop. It was SO hard for defenses to defend.
There was no reason for him to open up the playbook like he did a few times, for instance like that Saints game in 2021.
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Post by SG88 on Jan 2, 2024 9:09:31 GMT -5
It's amazing what good QB play can do for a receiver/TE. Case in point, EE has 104 rec for the year, he's just the 8th TE in NFL history to go over that 100 rec mark. But the DJ panty sniffers will say he sucked here, and DJ never had weapons.LOL I'm very happy for Engram and the success he found elsewhere. I think that the change in scenery helped him out a ton. I think that it is safe to say that he has more than salvaged his career down there in Jacksonville. There are less than a handful of fans here that are still on that sunk ship called the USS Daniel Jones, so I would advise to stop beefing with them so much. You could give EE his roses without bringing 8 up. Just my piece. |
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Post by jaymas on Jan 2, 2024 9:15:08 GMT -5
It's amazing what good QB play can do for a receiver/TE. Case in point, EE has 104 rec for the year, he's just the 8th TE in NFL history to go over that 100 rec mark. But the DJ panty sniffers will say he sucked here, and DJ never had weapons.LOL Happy for Engram, always liked him. But also more credit to him than QB. Lawrence has not played well. I'd hope that's not the bar for "good QB play." Overall, especially relative to draft position and "best prospect since Luck" Lawrence has been a disappointment. Engram just seems like a talented guy who needed a change of scenery. |
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Post by Modog on Jan 2, 2024 9:18:56 GMT -5
It's amazing what good QB play can do for a receiver/TE. Case in point, EE has 104 rec for the year, he's just the 8th TE in NFL history to go over that 100 rec mark. But the DJ panty sniffers will say he sucked here, and DJ never had weapons.LOL Happy for Engram, always liked him. But also more credit to him than QB. Lawrence has not played well. I'd hope that's not the bar for "good QB play." Overall, especially relative to draft position and "best prospect since Luck" Lawrence has been a disappointment. Engram just seems like a talented guy who needed a change of scenery. Admittedly I have not watched any Jax games this season. But for sure TLaw has not lived up to the hype. I might still put him in the top 10 though, QB play in general has been terrible overall this season. |
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Post by Danke Schoen on Jan 2, 2024 9:53:03 GMT -5
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Post by McCherry on Jan 2, 2024 10:01:24 GMT -5
Engram had a very good career here with Jones. This post is more obsessive nonsense.
The biggest problem here for Engram became Garrett, not Jones. But Garrett was everyone's problem.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 2, 2024 10:34:40 GMT -5
It's amazing what good QB play can do for a receiver/TE. Case in point, EE has 104 rec for the year, he's just the 8th TE in NFL history to go over that 100 rec mark. But the DJ panty sniffers will say he sucked here, and DJ never had weapons.LOL He is in a system that high lights the passing game and TEs always have been big in Petersons offense when he was here he was a raw big slot coming out of college Jones is not the guy but him and Lawrence have Identical stat sheet the first 48 games of his career. This was Evans 6th year he played here in Shurmurs offense when he new nothing about TE play in the NFL, then Garrets and Kitchens when he was still learning, the QB play was not the reason it's not Apples to Apples he actually had several opportunities with balls on his hands the pressure got to him. Jones in this case has very little to do with what Engram is or isn't it's the Giants over drafting a project a big slot he was all over draft boards bottom of the first to the 3rd because he never played inline or outside in college they trained him then couldn't afford to keep him. |
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Post by Merlin on Jan 2, 2024 10:36:28 GMT -5
100 rec for 884 yards and 3tds is cool, but he hasn't been that dynamic matchup nightmare expected due to his speed. If he had 60-70 recs but for like 11-1200 yards, 8tds etc. Because he was dusting ppl. Then that would move me to feel a way about his success with another team. Still not sure if he improved his blocking or not either.
Lawrence was also suppose to be a generational QB. Peyton Manning type of talent coming into the league. Can't say that Engram has helped unlock that. They are solid though and can still reach higher levels.
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Post by Roswell on Jan 2, 2024 10:39:06 GMT -5
As much as you predictably want to make everything about Jones, surely even you can remember how many times Engram dropped balls in key situations and a lot of those even turned into interceptions. I’m happy for Engram, who always had the talent but was snakebite in a Giants uniform. Sometimes a simple thing like a change in scenery can work wonders. We saw that last year with Hodgins who, when given a chance, shined, even playing with your nemesis, Daniel Jones. I will continue to call out Jones as long as his defenders continue to defend him. Also every team suffers from dropped passes. Like i said, it just seems like our recievers drop more passes because they get less chances at catchable passes, so the drops stick out more to the DJ pantysniffers You must be a kid. No adult would obsess so much about any single player. You literally treat this forum as a message board. As in, one message. Well done. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 2, 2024 10:40:07 GMT -5
Engram had a very good career here with Jones. This post is more obsessive nonsense. The biggest problem here for Engram became Garrett, not Jones. But Garrett was everyone's problem. That and that he was a slot in college played 0 inline or outside he was over drafted because of that it took 6 years but he is an NFL player now in a scheme that uses the TE big time Peterson always has. This has 0 to do with Jones Fennelly put out Lawrences and Jones first 48 games stats they are almost a carbon copy to the T in every category. Younger folks probably don't know what a carbon copy is lol |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 2, 2024 10:42:44 GMT -5
100 rec for 884 yards and 3tds is cool, but he hasn't been that dynamic matchup nightmare expected due to his speed. If he had 60-70 recs but for like 11-1200 yards, 8tds etc. Because he was dusting ppl. Then that would move me to feel a way about his success with another team. Still not sure if he improved his blocking or not either. Lawrence was also suppose to be a generational QB. Peyton Manning type of talent coming into the league. Can't say that Engram has helped unlock that. They are solid though and can still reach higher levels. A lot of dump offs in there who is that like 8.2 YPC not his fault Lawrence has not been the unicorn everyone was expecting he might still be but so far not. |
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Post by McCherry on Jan 2, 2024 10:42:49 GMT -5
It's amazing what good QB play can do for a receiver/TE. Case in point, EE has 104 rec for the year, he's just the 8th TE in NFL history to go over that 100 rec mark. But the DJ panty sniffers will say he sucked here, and DJ never had weapons.LOL He is in a system that high lights the passing game and TEs always have been big in Petersons offense when he was here he was a raw big slot coming out of college Jones is not the guy but him and Lawrence have Identical stat sheet the first 48 games of his career. This was Evans 6th year he played here in Shurmurs offense when he new nothing about TE play in the NFL, then Garrets and Kitchens when he was still learning, the QB play was not the reason it's not Apples to Apples he actually had several opportunities with balls on his hands the pressure got to him. Jones in this case has very little to do with what Engram is or isn't it's the Giants over drafting a project a big slot he was all over draft boards bottom of the first to the 3rd because he never played inline or outside in college they trained him then couldn't afford to keep him. The biggest difference is that he's stayed healthy in Jax. Engram was productive every season in NY, he just couldn't stay on the field. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 2, 2024 10:44:15 GMT -5
He is in a system that high lights the passing game and TEs always have been big in Petersons offense when he was here he was a raw big slot coming out of college Jones is not the guy but him and Lawrence have Identical stat sheet the first 48 games of his career. This was Evans 6th year he played here in Shurmurs offense when he new nothing about TE play in the NFL, then Garrets and Kitchens when he was still learning, the QB play was not the reason it's not Apples to Apples he actually had several opportunities with balls on his hands the pressure got to him. Jones in this case has very little to do with what Engram is or isn't it's the Giants over drafting a project a big slot he was all over draft boards bottom of the first to the 3rd because he never played inline or outside in college they trained him then couldn't afford to keep him. The biggest difference is that he's stayed healthy in Jax. Engram was productive every season in NY, he just couldn't stay on the field. Agree but his first 3 years here he was learning to be a TE not a slot in the NFL |
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Post by Modog on Jan 2, 2024 10:45:32 GMT -5
I will continue to call out Jones as long as his defenders continue to defend him. Also every team suffers from dropped passes. Like i said, it just seems like our recievers drop more passes because they get less chances at catchable passes, so the drops stick out more to the DJ pantysniffers You must be a kid. No adult would obsess so much about any single player. You literally treat this forum as a message board. As in, one message. Well done. I am not a kid. Like I said before, I'm just a fan who never believed in DJ, and because of this I have been miserable the last 5 years. QB is the most important position in FB, and ours just happens to be a bum we not only reached on but kept starting for 5 years! It seems you really like defending him, I'm guessing it really hurts your feelings now knowing your favorite bum QB won't be around much longer |
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Post by Roswell on Jan 2, 2024 10:50:51 GMT -5
You must be a kid. No adult would obsess so much about any single player. You literally treat this forum as a message board. As in, one message. Well done. I am not a kid. Like I said before, I'm just a fan who never believed in DJ, and because of this I have been miserable the last 5 years. QB is the most important position in FB, and ours just happens to be a bum we not only reached on but kept starting for 5 years! It seems you really like defending him, I'm guessing it really hurts your feelings now knowing your favorite bum QB won't be around much longer Wait. You don’t like Jones? Have your milk and cookies. If you go 5 posts without mentioning Jones, you can have a pretzel rod. |
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Post by McCherry on Jan 2, 2024 10:55:29 GMT -5
I will continue to call out Jones as long as his defenders continue to defend him. Also every team suffers from dropped passes. Like i said, it just seems like our recievers drop more passes because they get less chances at catchable passes, so the drops stick out more to the DJ pantysniffers You must be a kid. No adult would obsess so much about any single player. You literally treat this forum as a message board. As in, one message. Well done. Literally every post in his history has a mention of Jones. It's like he's a bot. If not, I'm pretty sure Daniel Jones beat him up in high school. |
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Post by Modog on Jan 2, 2024 11:00:55 GMT -5
I am not a kid. Like I said before, I'm just a fan who never believed in DJ, and because of this I have been miserable the last 5 years. QB is the most important position in FB, and ours just happens to be a bum we not only reached on but kept starting for 5 years! It seems you really like defending him, I'm guessing it really hurts your feelings now knowing your favorite bum QB won't be around much longer Wait. You don’t like Jones? Have your milk and cookies. If you go 5 posts without mentioning Jones, you can have a pretzel rod. I love annoying you DJ pantysniffers.. One more year and then I won't have anything else to talk about |
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Post by Roswell on Jan 2, 2024 11:50:08 GMT -5
Wait. You don’t like Jones? Have your milk and cookies. If you go 5 posts without mentioning Jones, you can have a pretzel rod. I love annoying you DJ pantysniffers.. One more year and then I won't have anything else to talk about From your mouth to God’s ears. |
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Post by Danke Schoen on Jan 2, 2024 14:01:22 GMT -5
I will continue to call out Jones as long as his defenders continue to defend him. Also every team suffers from dropped passes. Like i said, it just seems like our recievers drop more passes because they get less chances at catchable passes, so the drops stick out more to the DJ pantysniffers You must be a kid. No adult would obsess so much about any single player. You literally treat this forum as a message board. As in, one message. Well done. You're responding to every post of his.... giving them life. Maybe you can try going 5 posts of his without responding to them or giving them attention. |
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